[VIDEO] "I'm not happy at batting at number 5, because I want to bat at number 4": Mohammad Rizwan

[Rana]

the special needs party

The antonym to High 5 club?

I would like to think we are Evolution

 

[W63L35]

The numbers are garbage, the game has moved on; this is his output against weak attacks. I think he really does deserve to get battered now that you have shown me this.

Lets take this all literally so the special needs party can claim Mr. Riswan is superior to Dhoni, Taylor, McCullum and Rohit Sharma etc

>>The numbers are garbage,
Only when they destroy the opinions..
I have never heard of somebody calling Don Bradman's batting average of 99.94 garbage - just because it was just a number.

>>this is his output against weak attacks.
Can you prove that Rizwan scored his run against weak team where as other batsmen on the same list did not?

>>I think he really does deserve to get battered now that you have shown me this.
You are welcome! Everybody is entitled to his/her opinion. I am glad you can backup you opinion with these number I posted.... the same numbers that you just labelled as "garbage".

>>Lets take this all literally so the special needs party can claim Mr. Riswan is superior to Dhoni, Taylor, McCullum and Rohit Sharma etc
Rizwan being superior to MSD, LRPT, BM and RS... is a matter of opinion but nobody can even close to denying Rizwan's average and s/r being better than these top batsmen against top 6 top teams.

 

[W63L35]

T20 Players with minimum 4 MoM Awards against six top teams - Aus, NZ, SAF, ENG, IND, PAK.

 

[W63L35]

Number of MoM Awards for T20 Wicketkeepers with minimum of 15 matches against six top teams - Aus, NZ, SAF, ENG, IND, PAK.

Mohammad Rizwan has the highest number of MoM awards among ALL Keepers.

MS Dhoni.... 63 T20s and Zero MoM award against top six teams.

 

[W63L35]

Mohammad Rizwan is the only T20I keeper to have score a T20 100 against a top six (Aus, NZ, IND, PAK, SAF, ENG) team.

104* against South Africa in 2021.

 

[W63L35]

T20 Batsmen with 650 or more runs in WON MATCHES against top six teams - AUS, NZ, SAF, ENG, IND, ENG.

Sorted by Average.

 

[Master Blaster]

Take that Riz haters. These are eye opening figures.

Even though top teams play their A team bowlers in T20 only during world events, these figures are insane even against the C/D tops teams.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Numbers were never a problem for Rizwan. If you see those stats, you will have to agree to the fact that Riz is one of the best WK batters out there atm and nobody comes to match him in those numbers. The only issue with him is his strike rate and his uselessness if he plays down the order in T20s. His strike is still not good enough overall. He might bash team with high strike rate in some games but overall his strike rate is not that good for modern standards. But he is successful and these stats are enough to make someone agree to this fact.

 

[shaz619]

>>The numbers are garbage,
Only when they destroy the opinions..
I have never heard of somebody calling Don Bradman's batting average of 99.94 garbage - just because it was just a number.

>>this is his output against weak attacks.
Can you prove that Rizwan scored his run against weak team where as other batsmen on the same list did not?

>>I think he really does deserve to get battered now that you have shown me this.
You are welcome! Everybody is entitled to his/her opinion. I am glad you can backup you opinion with these number I posted.... the same numbers that you just labelled as "garbage".

>>Lets take this all literally so the special needs party can claim Mr. Riswan is superior to Dhoni, Taylor, McCullum and Rohit Sharma etc
Rizwan being superior to MSD, LRPT, BM and RS... is a matter of opinion but nobody can even close to denying Rizwan's average and s/r being better than these top batsmen against top 6 top teams.

The special needs party are suggesting he is better then those players and now the Don LOL, you simply don’t go full retard though with these superficial stats and a dated S/R in 2024, even more after handling farmers and very little impact,

 

[mominsaigol]

>>The numbers are garbage,
Only when they destroy the opinions..
I have never heard of somebody calling Don Bradman's batting average of 99.94 garbage - just because it was just a number.

>>this is his output against weak attacks.
Can you prove that Rizwan scored his run against weak team where as other batsmen on the same list did not?

>>I think he really does deserve to get battered now that you have shown me this.
You are welcome! Everybody is entitled to his/her opinion. I am glad you can backup you opinion with these number I posted.... the same numbers that you just labelled as "garbage".

>>Lets take this all literally so the special needs party can claim Mr. Riswan is superior to Dhoni, Taylor, McCullum and Rohit Sharma etc
Rizwan being superior to MSD, LRPT, BM and RS... is a matter of opinion but nobody can even close to denying Rizwan's average and s/r being better than these top batsmen against top 6 top teams.

A) Bradman is a weird one since we have no footage, we don't know if his 99avg is a product of its time, or if he truly is a god of cricket. But one thing is clear, and that's Bradman was single handidely the greatest batsmen by miles in his era. No one was close to him.

Are you honestly telling me rizwan is the Bradman of t20? By claiming he's Bradman of t20, you're basically saying rizzu is the best batsmen of t20 in his era by miles and no one is close to him. That's am actual joke.

B) His output doesn't matter. In t20 you don't need 40+ averages. Sr wise he lacks a 4th and 5th gear.

C) As I said the numbers in this particular case don't matter. Observation and qualitative analysis is superior to quantitative data. That's the first rule of statistics, you should know this. And no that's not an opinion

Your whole argument ignores qualitative data.

You can have qualitative + quantititative data, You can't have only quantititative and argue its as your main standpoint.

 

[daytrader]

T20 Batsmen with 650 or more runs in WON MATCHES against top six teams - AUS, NZ, SAF, ENG, IND, ENG.

Sorted by Average.


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Eye opening stats. Striking close to 140 in matches we won!

Thank you for posting these

 

[IMMY69]

You don't need stats, although thank you W63L35 for the insightful information, to know exactly where Pakistan Cricket is falling away.

The problem does not lie with Babar or Rizwan... The problem is that we are devoid of any other batsmen who can consistently score runs at a fair click, whether opening or in the middle order.

T20 is the simplest of all international formats... If you have a couple of batsman that average in their 40's even with an average strike rate that should be sufficient to get you to a commanding total 9 out of 10 times if you had at least one other batsman who can consistently strike it well in the middle order (consistent being the operative word).

If you were to take Rizwan and Babar and put them in the Aussie or England Team both those teams would be unbeatable.
If you disagree with this then, well I can't help you.

 

[Rana]

If you were to take Rizwan and Babar and put them in the Aussie or England Team both those teams would be unbeatable.
If you disagree with this then, well I can't help you

Yeah those teams have thousands of these types of players in their fc…why don’t they add two of these players in their sides? As openers?

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Yeah those teams have thousands of these types of players in their fc…why don’t they add two of these players in their sides? As openers?

Yes, the last 2 teams who won the t20 wc would be dying to have rizbar, despite them losing to both teams

 

[mominsaigol]

You don't need stats, although thank you W63L35 for the insightful information, to know exactly where Pakistan Cricket is falling away.

The problem does not lie with Babar or Rizwan... The problem is that we are devoid of any other batsmen who can consistently score runs at a fair click, whether opening or in the middle order.

T20 is the simplest of all international formats... If you have a couple of batsman that average in their 40's even with an average strike rate that should be sufficient to get you to a commanding total 9 out of 10 times if you had at least one other batsman who can consistently strike it well in the middle order (consistent being the operative word).

If you were to take Rizwan and Babar and put them in the Aussie or England Team both those teams would be unbeatable.
If you disagree with this then, well I can't help you.

If you were to take rizwan and babar and put them into aussie team they would be Unbeatable?

No offence but your earlier argument can be a topic of debate sure ill give you that.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes, the last 2 teams who won the t20 wc would be dying to have rizbar, despite them losing to both teams

Yeah why would Australia want someone who averaged 17 and a sr barely over a 100 in 2022 wc in their team?

Babar would be given a boot, they already have labu, who is a similar mould to babar except with a much much better temperament, shot selection amd can hold the line and play according to the situation.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah those teams have thousands of these types of players in their fc…why don’t they add two of these players in their sides? As openers?

2022 England had

Inform butler
Hales,
Roy
Inform Stokes
Phil Salt
Brooks( Proper t20 bat)

^^ I fail to see where babar and rizwan fit in .

The top 3 are too explosive, meaning babar and rizwan would have to play at 4 and 5, Stokes has bowling, Butler closes the door on rizwan.

Only place would be babar vs Brooks at no 5, and they wouldn't want Bobby at no 5 innt20 lol.

 

[IMMY69]

2022 England had

Inform butler
Hales,
Roy
Inform Stokes
Phil Salt
Brooks( Proper t20 bat)

^^ I fail to see where babar and rizwan fit in .

The top 3 are too explosive, meaning babar and rizwan would have to play at 4 and 5, Stokes has bowling, Butler closes the door on rizwan.

Only place would be babar vs Brooks at no 5, and they wouldn't want Bobby at no 5 innt20 lol.

I'm not talking about just one tournament.
You have Rizwan/babar opening in either of those line-ups with Butler, Stokes, Brooks (or Marsh, Head, Maxwell & Stones) to come and that team will make more 200+ scores then ever seen in T20's. Simply because the openers would average in the 40's with a strike rate of around 130)...

This means consistent opening stands with powerful batters who can come in and propel the score.

Pakistan on the other hand have batsmen that can hit 140+ strike rate but with poor averages which means more often then not they fail to propel the score.

An important aspect about cricket is that there other factors that impacts the scoring rate such as knowing that if you get out then the team is likely to fail. This can be corrected but for that to happen you need the PCB to be strong and to insist on players like Rizwan/Babar are rested during bi lateral T20's (so others are given the experience) and ideally have someone other then Babar captaining the side..

 

[Rana]

I'm not talking about just one tournament.
You have Rizwan/babar opening in either of those line-ups with Butler, Stokes, Brooks (or Marsh, Head, Maxwell & Stones) to come and that team will make more 200+ scores then ever seen in T20's. Simply because the openers would average in the 40's with a strike rate of around 130)...

This means consistent opening stands with powerful batters who can come in and propel the score.

Pakistan on the other hand have batsmen that can hit 140+ strike rate but with poor averages which means more often then not they fail to propel the score.

An important aspect about cricket is that there other factors that impacts the scoring rate such as knowing that if you get out then the team is likely to fail. This can be corrected but for that to happen you need the PCB to be strong and to insist on players like Rizwan/Babar are rested during bi lateral T20's (so others are given the experience) and ideally have someone other then Babar captaining the side..

Australia and England are already unbeatable against Pakistan at least with their applied strategy. Why would they need to even think about having players like Babar and Rizwan?? Our issue with them is in the opening position during the powerplay. We are not crying for them to be removed from the team, they need to be removed as OPENERS. How hard is that to understand? There seems to be no evidence to suggest they will be as good as they are supposedly made out to be in any other position. Babar might get a pass as a number 3…but Rizwan???

 

[mominsaigol]

I'm not talking about just one tournament.
You have Rizwan/babar opening in either of those line-ups with Butler, Stokes, Brooks (or Marsh, Head, Maxwell & Stones) to come and that team will make more 200+ scores then ever seen in T20's. Simply because the openers would average in the 40's with a strike rate of around 130)...

This means consistent opening stands with powerful batters who can come in and propel the score.

Pakistan on the other hand have batsmen that can hit 140+ strike rate but with poor averages which means more often then not they fail to propel the score.

An important aspect about cricket is that there other factors that impacts the scoring rate such as knowing that if you get out then the team is likely to fail. This can be corrected but for that to happen you need the PCB to be strong and to insist on players like Rizwan/Babar are rested during bi lateral T20's (so others are given the experience) and ideally have someone other then Babar captaining the side..

First of, why on earth would these teams even give way to babar and rizwan for opening?

Why should Travis head an already gun opener and a guy who has proven himself to be the Adam gilchrist of this era, same case with David Warner a t20 living legend and gun opener, give way to Babar amd rizwan at opening? Why would they bat at no 3 and no 4?

Australia would never allow that in a tournament, like bro what do you mean by them coming In? They already have a top order of head, Warner, Marsh, Maxwell, stones.

^^ Why would they all go one down just to accomdate 2 anchorers and then attack once these 2 are dismissed? Why would they not utilise head and Warner in the PP?

Same case with butler, why would he give way and come in? He's already a t20 opener and the reason they have him open is because he's their most explosive batsmen? So unlike odi, you want him to open to utilise the Powerplay?

On what basis would they give way to these clowns? You're not making sense

 

[Rana]

Australia would never allow that in a tournament, like bro what do you mean by them coming In? They already have a top order of head, Warner, Marsh, Maxwell, stones.

Some people have been watching cricket for decades and still fail to understand the Aussie mentality

They are nobodies friend on the cricket field. Especially in ICC tournaments.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You don't need stats, although thank you W63L35 for the insightful information, to know exactly where Pakistan Cricket is falling away.

The problem does not lie with Babar or Rizwan... The problem is that we are devoid of any other batsmen who can consistently score runs at a fair click, whether opening or in the middle order.

T20 is the simplest of all international formats... If you have a couple of batsman that average in their 40's even with an average strike rate that should be sufficient to get you to a commanding total 9 out of 10 times if you had at least one other batsman who can consistently strike it well in the middle order (consistent being the operative word).

If you were to take Rizwan and Babar and put them in the Aussie or England Team both those teams would be unbeatable.
If you disagree with this then, well I can't help you.

Why are Babar and Rizwan allowed to take that lofty position of crawling to 40's and put the pressure on the rest of the side?

We've seen this movie time and time again: Ramp up the run rate and then blame the lower order. Why is it the responsibility of your Chachas, Asif Alis, etc., to play out of their skins to get us to respectability?

Ask yourself if your strategy was correct and why other countries don't employ it. I completely disagree with your point of taking Babar and Rizwan and putting them in the England or Aussie T20 team. There is no chance they would be allowed to play this way. The commentators would savage them after a couple of games and they would be out on their backsides.

Now, you can say that maybe other countries have better resources than we do. That could be a fair point. It may even have been true at one point in time.

But unless we constantly test our resources, how will we ever know?
And if we aren;t going to test them and Babar and Rizwan are the great players they claim to be then we need to ask them to step out of their comfort zones and increase their strike rates by 8.

I've had enough with them hogging every match for themselves, rotatign everyone in the squad but them and experimenting with every position apart from theirs.

 

[Ahmed216]

You don't need stats, although thank you W63L35 for the insightful information, to know exactly where Pakistan Cricket is falling away.

The problem does not lie with Babar or Rizwan... The problem is that we are devoid of any other batsmen who can consistently score runs at a fair click, whether opening or in the middle order.

T20 is the simplest of all international formats... If you have a couple of batsman that average in their 40's even with an average strike rate that should be sufficient to get you to a commanding total 9 out of 10 times if you had at least one other batsman who can consistently strike it well in the middle order (consistent being the operative word).

If you were to take Rizwan and Babar and put them in the Aussie or England Team both those teams would be unbeatable.
If you disagree with this then, well I can't help you.

I find it very bizarre when they talk of dropping Riz and Babar. The middle order does not exist and the two who score runs at the top should be removed as well.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I find it very bizarre when they talk of dropping Riz and Babar. The middle order does not exist and the two who score runs at the top should be removed as well.

If the middle order is a big problem why don't these guys try to strengthen it by dropping down and letting someone else be openers.

 

[Ahmed216]

If the middle order is a big problem why don't these guys try to strengthen it by dropping down and letting someone else be openers.

Babar did that in the series recently and performed really well I don't know why he's gone back to opening.
Rizwan can't perform at any other position so there's no point in shifting him down the order.
Batting order in the last game in Pindi was all messed up

 

[Rana]

If the middle order is a big problem why don't these guys try to strengthen it by dropping down and letting someone else be openers.

Good man

Speak up.

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar did that in the series recently and performed really well I don't know why he's gone back to opening.
Rizwan can't perform at any other position so there's no point in shifting him down the order.
Batting order in the last game in Pindi was all messed up

If rizwan was a gun batsmen he could perform at other positions lol, good players aren't hindered by positions.

Travis head can play from 1-7, same with butler who's a 7 in odi but a no 1 on t20.

It's just Australia isn't stupid, they know Travis head is their most explosive bat in an already explosive lineup, considering how badly he's bullying ipl bowlers.

Why does a great batsmen in rizwan as you claim suck 100x harder in lower positions? Weird logic.

 

[Rana]

Babar did that in the series recently and performed really well I don't know why he's gone back to opening.
Rizwan can't perform at any other position so there's no point in shifting him down the order.
Batting order in the last game in Pindi was all messed up

So if Rizwan can’t perform anywhere else

BOOT HIM OUT

Scoring 50 off 40 balls isn’t performing as an opener!

 

[Ahmed216]

If rizwan was a gun batsmen he could perform at other positions lol, good players aren't hindered by positions.

Travis head can play from 1-7, same with butler who's a 7 in odi but a no 1 on t20.

It's just Australia isn't stupid, they know Travis head is their most explosive bat in an already explosive lineup, considering how badly he's bullying ipl bowlers.

Why does a great batsmen in rizwan as you claim suck 100x harder in lower positions? Weird logic.

Travis head and Buttler are not from Pakistan. Lower your expectations first of all if you are a Pak fan.
Pak's middle order players do not perform, it does not mean that the top order players should start playing down or vice versa.
After Saeed Anwar, Pak never found a good opener and always struggled, but Inzi Yousuf, Misbah, Razzaq, Moin did not start opening. First Pakistan should look to find good proper batsmen not tullaybaaz like Asif Ali , only then there should be talk of shuffling the batting order

 

[Ahmed216]

So if Rizwan can’t perform anywhere else

BOOT HIM OUT

Scoring 50 off 40 balls isn’t performing as an opener!

Rizwan has also scored hundreds in t20. Sometimes if he plays slowly does not make him a bad player.
Find players who can score a fifty at top level first

 

[Rana]

If rizwan was a gun batsmen he could perform at other positions lol, good players aren't hindered by positions.

These are the same people who have a different measuring stick for other players

When I say, ‘let Fakhar bat as an opener’, let Sahibzada open etc..the same people will argue “if he is a good player he can play anywhere”

The same argument doesn’t apply for their idol Rizwan

 

[mominsaigol]

So if Rizwan can’t perform anywhere else

BOOT HIM OUT

Scoring 50 off 40 balls isn’t performing as an opener!

Bro these comments are what people made during the post misbah era.

I went back and looked at some threads from 2016, some people were getting 100x more emotional and causing drama bazi and were talking about how after misbah era, we now have the official death of cricket and they were justifying all of Misbah's decisions that he ever made regarding shehzad etc.

Now 2017 happens and they revert to oh well Misbah didn't have psl. . Even though during psl they were still confidently proclaiming our death.

The current mentality is, We suck and Babar and rizwan are the last thing that keep us from falling flat, in the same way the mentality during the misbah era was we suck and misbah is the only bat holding us together.

These people have a defeatist attitude in order to defend their favourites. For example, Posters are claiming the batting is great despite players in the dugout like shadab and azhar memhmood disagreeing, all because if they admit the batting sucks, they'll have to admit that misbah was wrong about babar/rizwan top order duo, and yes from opening to no 3, doesn't make a big difference.

The 2009-2011 mentality or the 2017-2019 mentality of we can win, we have a chance is gone. When 2017 happened some of these people are still mad because it wasn't misbah or his choices/influence that led to victory.

Had we won 2022 wc you'd see these people make up excuses and try to attack you if you quoted luck, but for 2017 they'll call it a fluke exposing said double standards.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan has also scored hundreds in t20. Sometimes if he plays slowly does not make him a bad player.

Sometimes?

Are you honestly saying he plays as fast as DeQock, Travis Head, Warner, Salt, Butler etc? And ‘sometimes’, he plays like Ibrahim Zadran?

 

[mominsaigol]

Travis head and Buttler are not from Pakistan. Lower your expectations first of all if you are a Pak fan.
Pak's middle order players do not perform, it does not mean that the top order players should start playing down or vice versa.
After Saeed Anwar, Pak never found a good opener and always struggled, but Inzi Yousuf, Misbah, Razzaq, Moin did not start opening. First Pakistan should look to find good proper batsmen not tullaybaaz like Asif Ali , only then there should be talk of shuffling the batting order

Lower your expectations about rizwan first lol

 

[Ahmed216]

These are the same people who have a different measuring stick for other players

When I say, ‘let Fakhar bat as an opener’, let Sahibzada open etc..the same people will argue “if he is a good player he can play anywhere”

The same argument doesn’t apply for their idol Rizwan

Fakhar is not a good T20 batsman. He's a complete failure in the format

 

[mominsaigol]

Sometimes?

Are you honestly saying he plays as fast as DeQock, Travis Head, Warner, Salt, Butler etc? And ‘sometimes’, he plays like Ibrahim Zadran?

Rizwan has scored 1 hundred in international t20.

Don't know where the plural is coming from, unless you're talking about domestic where the no is 2 . And multiple other performers have way more then 2.

 

[Rana]

Find players who can score a fifty at top level first

Why is scoring 50 important lol??

Haider Ali scored 50 on debut against England. Where is he now?

How about find players who can score 20+ runs in a powerplay over against a proper seamer because they want to take down the seamer?

 

[mominsaigol]

Fakhar is not a good T20 batsman. He's a complete failure in the format

And what were rizwan and babar 2022 and onwards? Inspirational Success stories. Or are we now going back to 2021?

 

[Rana]

Fakhar is not a good T20 batsman. He's a complete failure in the format

Is Fakhar Pakistan’s greatest white ball batsman of this era or not?

 

[Ahmed216]

And what were rizwan and babar 2022 and onwards? Inspirational Success stories. Or are we now going back to 2021?

Find better players bhai

 

[mominsaigol]

Why is scoring 50 important lol??

Haider Ali scored 50 on debut against England. Where is he now?

How about find players who can score 20+ runs in a powerplay over against a proper seamer because they want to take down the seamer?

Rizwan vs Bradman in t20

Bradman avg 0 and sr 0, Died 2001 way before t20 was even invented.

Rizwan 40+ avg and 122 sr. Therefore rizwan > Bradman and has replaced Bradman, We should let be calling him the Bradman of t20, we should be calling him the rizwan of t20

 

[Ahmed216]

Is Fakhar Pakistan’s greatest white ball batsman of this era or not?

Best in ODI's

 

[Rana]

Travis head and Buttler are not from Pakistan. Lower your expectations first of all if you are a Pak fan

Who are you to tell anyone to lower their expectations?

This is the same Travis Head who toured Pakistan as part of the ODI team that lost 2-1 post Test series. Where Pakistan fans we’re celebrating beating Australia under Babar’s captaincy and how apparently we were the real number 1s of world cricket.

If players who were once inferior to guys like Imam and Fakhar (as Pakistan beat them) are now head and shoulders above them…why should Pakistan fans not dream that their players can also reach new heights as players? Why are you against allowing players to evolve to the next level in order to preserve players who simply cannot?

 

[Rana]

Best in ODI's

He’s the best white ball player in Pakistan. I don’t care about format. He is your only white ball player that is worth comparing to the TANKS possessed by SENA sides

 

[Ahmed216]

Who are you to tell anyone to lower their expectations?

This is the same Travis Head who toured Pakistan as part of the ODI team that lost 2-1 post Test series. Where Pakistan fans we’re celebrating beating Australia under Babar’s captaincy and how apparently we were the real number 1s of world cricket.

If players who were once inferior to guys like Imam and Fakhar (as Pakistan beat them) are now head and shoulders above them…why should Pakistan fans not dream that their players can also reach new heights as players? Why are you against allowing players to evolve to the next level in order to preserve players who simply cannot?

Keep dreaming. Good luck with all my heart

 

[Ahmed216]

He’s the best white ball player in Pakistan. I don’t care about format. He is your only white ball player that is worth comparing to the TANKS possessed by SENA sides

White ball is played in two different formats? Don't you know that? Omg

 

[mominsaigol]

Find better players bhai

I can find several, if you actually give them a proper chance before saying haha.

1) Saud shakeel while opening has a superior avg to rizwan and a 141 sr in psl despite the fact that saud isn't even a t20 player.

Now why on earth is the top 3 t20 batsmen in the world and the Bradman of t20 cricket according to the icc rankings and some, getting outclassed by someone who isn't considered front runner?

2) Tayyab Tahir in psl had a 42 avg and 151 SR, and was never given a proper chance in international odi or t20, being dropped after 3 games in an Afghanistan series and never to be played again, despite the fact that rizwan during his early t20 days was an even bigger failure bit played for a good while before Misbah promoted him to opening, even though rizwan hadn't done anything in the middle order to warrant the opening slot.

3) Muhammad haris in 2022 wc was significantly superior to rizwan as a batsmen at no 3 and had the highest sr in 2023 psl, but due to a subpar Afghanistan series and subpar psl he's no where to be seen.

Even though rizwan has the luxury of having a subpar and awful 2022 tournament in an ICC international event, but is still front runner and is the oxygen of the team.

4) Even Abdullah shafiq who in t20 it isnt his strong suit, averaged 53 and a sr of 135 while tizwan averaged 33 and a sr of 110 in the psl, but because Abdullah has had a poor t20 international outing in the few games he's played while rizwan has had the luxury of being a dedicated failure as a player before misbah promotion and an entire wc world cup, he's dropped for good.

^^ and do you want to know the sad part. I listed players who aren't even t20 material besides haris and maybe tayyab I can list actual t20 players and proper replacements but you're still gonna say

40 avg zindabad. Even though these lads not only outperform rizwan in league tournaments, they get dropped after 4 to 5 games of failures whole rizwan can have multiple bad tournaments, and be useless in the middle order and even now pretry useless at no 3, but never get dropped.

 

[Ahmed216]

Why is scoring 50 important lol??

Haider Ali scored 50 on debut against England. Where is he now?

How about find players who can score 20+ runs in a powerplay over against a proper seamer because they want to take down the seamer?

Haider Ali tullaybaaz got exposed. And if there's an opener who can do better than both Babar and Rizwan no one will stop him

 

[shaz619]

I'm not talking about just one tournament.
You have Rizwan/babar opening in either of those line-ups with Butler, Stokes, Brooks (or Marsh, Head, Maxwell & Stones) to come and that team will make more 200+ scores then ever seen in T20's. Simply because the openers would average in the 40's with a strike rate of around 130)...

This means consistent opening stands with powerful batters who can come in and propel the score.

Pakistan on the other hand have batsmen that can hit 140+ strike rate but with poor averages which means more often then not they fail to propel the score.

An important aspect about cricket is that there other factors that impacts the scoring rate such as knowing that if you get out then the team is likely to fail. This can be corrected but for that to happen you need the PCB to be strong and to insist on players like Rizwan/Babar are rested during bi lateral T20's (so others are given the experience) and ideally have someone other then Babar captaining the side..

Maybe Babar might make it to the England side, but Riswan certainly would not be accommodated in the England side, can you imagine him opening ahead of Alex Hales or Butler ? England have attacking players all the way through to 7/8, and Riswan wont be playing without the gloves, and England wont ever pick a ‘specialist’ batter for the lower order unless you’re Afridi, Raazzaq of Michael Bevan.

The way this bloke plays, it’s an overall hindrance to the line up and overall team total, he might do well here and there, but that’s just T20 cricket. On the whole, he doesn’t have the range or skill for this format and we’re in an era where anchors are not required, plus in T20’s especially Pakistan’s bench strength is good.

 

[Rana]

Haider Ali tullaybaaz got exposed. And if there's an opener who can do better than both Babar and Rizwan no one will stop him

No one will stop him? The Pakistan management are stopping players from even trying to open. What was Sahibzada Farhan’s mistake?

 

[Ahmed216]

I can find several, if you actually give them a proper chance before saying haha.

1) Saud shakeel while opening has a superior avg to rizwan and a 141 sr in psl despite the fact that saud isn't even a t20 player.

Now why on earth is the top 3 t20 batsmen in the world and the Bradman of t20 cricket according to the icc rankings and some, getting outclassed by someone who isn't considered front runner?

2) Tayyab Tahir in psl had a 42 avg and 151 SR, and was never given a proper chance in international odi or t20, being dropped after 3 games in an Afghanistan series and never to be played again, despite the fact that rizwan during his early t20 days was an even bigger failure bit played for a good while before Misbah promoted him to opening, even though rizwan hadn't done anything in the middle order to warrant the opening slot.

3) Muhammad haris in 2022 wc was significantly superior to rizwan as a batsmen at no 3 and had the highest sr in 2023 psl, but due to a subpar Afghanistan series and subpar psl he's no where to be seen.

Even though rizwan has the luxury of having a subpar and awful 2022 tournament in an ICC international event, but is still front runner and is the oxygen of the team.

4) Even Abdullah shafiq who in t20 it isnt his strong suit, averaged 53 and a sr of 135 while tizwan averaged 33 and a sr of 110 in the psl, but because Abdullah has had a poor t20 international outing in the few games he's played while rizwan has had the luxury of being a dedicated failure as a player before misbah promotion and an entire wc world cup, he's dropped for good.

^^ and do you want to know the sad part. I listed players who aren't even t20 material besides haris and maybe tayyab I can list actual t20 players and proper replacements but you're still gonna say

40 avg zindabad. Even though these lads not only outperform rizwan in league tournaments, they get dropped after 4 to 5 games of failures whole rizwan can have multiple bad tournaments, and be useless in the middle order and even now pretry useless at no 3, but never get dropped.

I hope they'll do better than when they get their chances and win more games for Pak.

 

[mominsaigol]

No one will stop him? The Pakistan management are stopping players from even trying to open. What was Sahibzada Farhan’s mistake?

His mistake was being an opener born on the wrong era in Pakistan.

 

[Rana]

White ball is played in two different formats? Don't you know that? Omg

Yeah no I didn’t know that. Thanks for letting me know

 

[mominsaigol]

I hope they'll do better than when they get their chances and win more games for Pak.

The whole point is, Babar and rizwan don't give chances.

What was the point of them playing in a series where nz is sending their C team?

Why are babar, Rizwan, Chacha, Fakhar playing this series? Especially after kakul, now rizzu is injured .

 

[Ahmed216]

The whole point is, Babar and rizwan don't give chances.

What was the point of them playing in a series where nz is sending their C team?

Why are babar, Rizwan, Chacha, Fakhar playing this series? Especially after kakul, now rizzu is injured .

Babar is not all powerful especially in his second stint.

 

[Rana]

Maybe Babar might make it to the England side, but Riswan certainly would not be accommodated in the England side, can you imagine him opening ahead of Alex Hales or Butler ? England have attacking players all the way through to 7/8, and Riswan wont be playing without the gloves, and England wont ever pick a ‘specialist’ batter for the lower order unless you’re Afridi, Raazzaq of Michael Bevan.

The way this bloke plays, it’s an overall hindrance to the line up and overall team total, he might do well here and there, but that’s just T20 cricket. On the whole, he doesn’t have the range or skill for this format and we’re in an era where anchors are not required, plus in T20’s especially Pakistan’s bench strength is good.

Rizwan will bring England back to the 2000s when they had Vikram Solanki and Ian Bell in their T20 sides. Also Owais Shah

Not sure if English fans want that trauma to return

 

[Rana]

Babar is not all powerful especially in his second stint.

What happened to “Captain Azam will do what he wants”?

 

[Ahmed216]

What happened to “Captain Azam will do what he wants”?

That was only to irritate you

 

[Rana]

That was only to irritate you

Well, at least you admit you were trolling.

 

[Ahmed216]

Well, at least you admit you were trolling.

I was just fighting fire with fire

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I can find several, if you actually give them a proper chance before saying haha.

1) Saud shakeel while opening has a superior avg to rizwan and a 141 sr in psl despite the fact that saud isn't even a t20 player.

Now why on earth is the top 3 t20 batsmen in the world and the Bradman of t20 cricket according to the icc rankings and some, getting outclassed by someone who isn't considered front runner?

2) Tayyab Tahir in psl had a 42 avg and 151 SR, and was never given a proper chance in international odi or t20, being dropped after 3 games in an Afghanistan series and never to be played again, despite the fact that rizwan during his early t20 days was an even bigger failure bit played for a good while before Misbah promoted him to opening, even though rizwan hadn't done anything in the middle order to warrant the opening slot.

3) Muhammad haris in 2022 wc was significantly superior to rizwan as a batsmen at no 3 and had the highest sr in 2023 psl, but due to a subpar Afghanistan series and subpar psl he's no where to be seen.

Even though rizwan has the luxury of having a subpar and awful 2022 tournament in an ICC international event, but is still front runner and is the oxygen of the team.

4) Even Abdullah shafiq who in t20 it isnt his strong suit, averaged 53 and a sr of 135 while tizwan averaged 33 and a sr of 110 in the psl, but because Abdullah has had a poor t20 international outing in the few games he's played while rizwan has had the luxury of being a dedicated failure as a player before misbah promotion and an entire wc world cup, he's dropped for good.

^^ and do you want to know the sad part. I listed players who aren't even t20 material besides haris and maybe tayyab I can list actual t20 players and proper replacements but you're still gonna say

40 avg zindabad. Even though these lads not only outperform rizwan in league tournaments, they get dropped after 4 to 5 games of failures whole rizwan can have multiple bad tournaments, and be useless in the middle order and even now pretry useless at no 3, but never get dropped.

Abdullah is underrated here. He can be an format beast

 

[Rana]

I was just fighting fire with fire

But I’m not trolling when I am seriously, aggressively pursuing holes in the pro Babar and Rizwan agenda. I and others gain nothing from speaking the truth and becoming villains here.

 

[W63L35]

Numbers were never a problem for Rizwan. If you see those stats, you will have to agree to the fact that Riz is one of the best WK batters out there atm and nobody comes to match him in those numbers. The only issue with him is his strike rate and his uselessness if he plays down the order in T20s. His strike is still not good enough overall. He might bash team with high strike rate in some games but overall his strike rate is not that good for modern standards. But he is successful and these stats are enough to make someone agree to this fact.

>>The only issue with him is his strike rate and his uselessness if he plays down the order in T20s.

Last time he batted 4 or below was November 2020. So I guess, that should remove any doubt you have about Rizwan, the T20 batsman! Let's not forget he batted only 12 out of 92 innings below #3.





>>His strike is still not good enough overall.
I compared his S/R with other world keepers. I compared his S/R with other batters. His S/R is world class....
Most important thing is that no pakistani batter comes close to his S/R and yet we are not happy? Wonder why?

 

[Rana]

>>The only issue with him is his strike rate and his uselessness if he plays down the order in T20s.

Last time he batted 4 or below was November 2020. So I guess, that should remove any doubt you have about Rizwan, the T20 batsman! Let's not forget he batted only 12 out of 92 innings below #3.


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>>His strike is still not good enough overall.
I compared his S/R with other world keepers. I compared his S/R with other batters. His S/R is world class....
Most important thing is that no pakistani batter comes close to his S/R and yet we are not happy? Wonder why?

His strike rate is world class? His overall strike rate is 127

That’s world class?

 

[W63L35]

A) Bradman is a weird one since we have no footage, we don't know if his 99avg is a product of its time, or if he truly is a god of cricket. But one thing is clear, and that's Bradman was single handidely the greatest batsmen by miles in his era. No one was close to him.

Are you honestly telling me rizwan is the Bradman of t20? By claiming he's Bradman of t20, you're basically saying rizzu is the best batsmen of t20 in his era by miles and no one is close to him. That's am actual joke.

B) His output doesn't matter. In t20 you don't need 40+ averages. Sr wise he lacks a 4th and 5th gear.

C) As I said the numbers in this particular case don't matter. Observation and qualitative analysis is superior to quantitative data. That's the first rule of statistics, you should know this. And no that's not an opinion

Your whole argument ignores qualitative data.

You can have qualitative + quantititative data, You can't have only quantititative and argue its as your main standpoint.

>>Are you honestly telling me rizwan is the Bradman of t20? By claiming he's Bradman of t20, you're basically saying rizzu the best batsmen of t20 in his era by miles and no one is close to him. That's am actual joke.

I strongly believe that you are smart enough to know that I did not imply that .... and I think, I am not stupid enough to do the same.

>>Your whole argument ignores qualitative data.
Quality is totally subjective. If you think, Rizwan's quality is garbage - there is no way, I can prove that it is not.
Only thing, I can show you how his batting stats compare with other contemporary T20 batsmen.

>>You can't have only quantititative and argue its as your main standpoint.
Only problem with numbers is that .... they they can not be proven wrong.

 

[W63L35]

His strike rate is world class? His overall strike rate is 127

That’s world class?

I have posted many stats above. For example.... post # 246. S/R of 137+ in comparison to players like Rohit Sharma and ABD etc.

Here are the S/R and averages on Pakistani batsmen since 2020 - who do you think, should replace Rizwan, if he is not world class?

 

[Ahmed216]

But I’m not trolling when I am seriously, aggressively pursuing holes in the pro Babar and Rizwan agenda. I and others gain nothing from speaking the truth and becoming villains here.

There's no agenda. Those two are our best

 

[Rana]

>>Are you honestly telling me rizwan is the Bradman of t20? By claiming he's Bradman of t20, you're basically saying rizzu the best batsmen of t20 in his era by miles and no one is close to him. That's am actual joke.

I strongly believe that you are smart enough to know that I did not imply that .... and I think, I am not stupid enough to do the same.

>>Your whole argument ignores qualitative data.
Quality is totally subjective. If you think, Rizwan's quality is garbage - there is no way, I can prove that it is not.
Only thing, I can show you how his batting stats compare with other contemporary T20 batsmen.

>>You can't have only quantititative and argue its as your main standpoint.
Only problem with numbers is that .... they they can not be proven wrong.

Let’s say you work as Pakistan’s data analyst…

I as the boss of Pakistan cricket ask you, ‘based on all of this research and data provision’, how should we utilise Rizwan?

Let’s hear your opinion

 

[Major]

>>Are you honestly telling me rizwan is the Bradman of t20? By claiming he's Bradman of t20, you're basically saying rizzu the best batsmen of t20 in his era by miles and no one is close to him. That's am actual joke.

I strongly believe that you are smart enough to know that I did not imply that .... and I think, I am not stupid enough to do the same.

>>Your whole argument ignores qualitative data.
Quality is totally subjective. If you think, Rizwan's quality is garbage - there is no way, I can prove that it is not.
Only thing, I can show you how his batting stats compare with other contemporary T20 batsmen.

>>You can't have only quantititative and argue its as your main standpoint.
Only problem with numbers is that .... they they can not be proven wrong.

i disagree with your second point. Qualitative can be objective aswell, it is not totally subjective. Its infact both

 

[Rana]

There's no agenda. Those two are our best

Best at what? Having fans lie for them?

 

[W63L35]

Let’s say you work as Pakistan’s data analyst…

I as the boss of Pakistan cricket ask you, ‘based on all of this research and data provision’, how should we utilise Rizwan?

Let’s hear your opinion

I will ask you to provide me access to the same database that Pakistan team's current Analyst has.... simply because Cricinfo's status-guru is definitely not enough to decide about the utilization of a any player - let alone Rizwan.

Cric-info's Stats-guru that I use, can only tell you how a player faired overall in comparison with other player.....based on how a player was utilized by the team management.

Two conclusions I have drawn from all the Rizwan bashing is:

1. Nobody is 100% sure that who will replace Rizwan and be more successful... as everybody has their own standards/definitions of success.

2. Shahid Afridi had huge S/R but low average and we hated him for having low average. We wanted Afridi to stay at the wicket and score runs. Now this guy (Rizwan) has huge Average, scores tons of runs but slightly lower S/R ...and most of us are whinning yet again. Is there any player who can make us happy?
Funniest part is that I see some of the names who are in both clubs - bashed Afridi religously for low average and now doing the same to Rizwan for low S/R.

 

[Rana]

I will ask you to provide me access to the same database that Pakistan team's current Analyst has.... simply because Cricinfo's status-guru is definitely not enough to decide about the utilization of a any player - let alone Rizwan.

Cric-info's Stats-guru that I use, can only tell you how a player faired overall in comparison with other player.....based on how a player was utilized by the team management.

Two conclusions I have drawn from all the Rizwan bashing is:

1. Nobody is 100% sure that who will replace Rizwan and be more successful... as everybody has their own standards/definitions of success.

2. Shahid Afridi had huge S/R but low average and we hated him for having low average. We wanted Afridi to stay at the wicket and score runs. Now this guy (Rizwan) has huge Average, scores tons of runs but slightly lower S/R ...and most of us are whinning yet again. Is there any player who can make us happy?
Funniest part is that I see some of the names who are in both clubs - bashed Afridi religously for low average and now doing the same to Rizwan for low S/R.

“Look man. I’m paying a pretty good salary, so give me a solution and not confusion.

I’m putting you on the spot. You are one of the 5 selectors. Your vote is as equal as Yousuf, Razzaq, Asad and Wahab.

I need to know where Rizwan fits in this team? That’s your job. You’ve done your ground work. Now give me an answer”.

 

[Ahmed216]

Best at what? Having fans lie for them?

Based on the volume of runs across formats. No one comes close to them.

 

[W63L35]

“Look man. I’m paying a pretty good salary, so give me a solution and not confusion.

I’m putting you on the spot. You are one of the 5 selectors. Your vote is as equal as Yousuf, Razzaq, Asad and Wahab.

I need to know where Rizwan fits in this team? That’s your job. You’ve done your ground work. Now give me an answer”.

If "putting me on the spot" makes your day, great! You are very easy to be pleased then!

Very politely, I have already refused the job you offered me and I gave you the reason...... here is one more time;
As a selector how can I please hypocritical Shahid Afridi bashers (for low average and astronomical S/R) and Rizwan bashers (for relatively low S/R and very high high average) at the same time..... especially when a lot of them are the same people???

 

[Rana]

If "putting me on the spot" makes your day, great! You are very easy to be pleased then!

Very politely, I have already refused the job you offered me and I gave you the reason...... here is one more time;
As a selector how can I please hypocritical Shahid Afridi bashers (for low average and astronomical S/R) and Rizwan bashers (for relatively low S/R and very high high average) at the same time..... especially when a lot of them are the same people???

you don’t have to please anyone

You can say what you truly believe. What’s the point of presenting data if you cannot interpret for yourself to form a proper opinion?

I won’t judge you. I already think, presume you like Rizwan. You won’t be offending me.

 

[emranabbas]

@W63L35 cricket isn't played on paper there's something call impact and rizwan has 0 impact.
most teams would be happy for rizwan and babar to stay at the crease for 15 overs and make 50 runs each

 

[shaz619]

Rizwan will bring England back to the 2000s when they had Vikram Solanki and Ian Bell in their T20 sides. Also Owais Shah

Not sure if English fans want that trauma to return

Can imagine Riswan & Graem Swann leading the white board presentation before games and writing down the target for the day - 170

 

[shaz619]

@W63L35 cricket isn't played on paper there's something call impact and rizwan has 0 impact.
most teams would be happy for rizwan and babar to stay at the crease for 15 overs and make 50 runs each

Autistic cricket is played on paper

 

[IMMY69]

Why are Babar and Rizwan allowed to take that lofty position of crawling to 40's and put the pressure on the rest of the side?

We've seen this movie time and time again: Ramp up the run rate and then blame the lower order. Why is it the responsibility of your Chachas, Asif Alis, etc., to play out of their skins to get us to respectability?

Ask yourself if your strategy was correct and why other countries don't employ it. I completely disagree with your point of taking Babar and Rizwan and putting them in the England or Aussie T20 team. There is no chance they would be allowed to play this way. The commentators would savage them after a couple of games and they would be out on their backsides.

Now, you can say that maybe other countries have better resources than we do. That could be a fair point. It may even have been true at one point in time.

But unless we constantly test our resources, how will we ever know?
And if we aren;t going to test them and Babar and Rizwan are the great players they claim to be then we need to ask them to step out of their comfort zones and increase their strike rates by 8.

I've had enough with them hogging every match for themselves, rotatign everyone in the squad but them and experimenting with every position apart from theirs.

I think you missed my post where I said that ideally Babar should not be captain and I have been extremely critical of his captaincy over the years. I also said that if we had a different captain and a stronger PCB then ideally these two should have been rested for T20 bi laterals to test out the other players...

 

[Cricket Warrior]

This culture of players deciding their own batting order should end.

It's the management and captain's right to decide who will play at which number, as they are responsible for any win or loss.