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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Personal milestones should never come first<br><br>Imam-Ul-Haq was on 87 in the last over of the innings<br><br>Bismillah Khan was on 15 off 5 balls<br><br>Second ball of the final over Imam didn't go for a single as he wanted to score a 100<br><br>Imam only scored 5 off the last 4 balls<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NationalT20Cup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NationalT20Cup</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1315338508182093830?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Personal milestones should never come first<br><br>Imam-Ul-Haq was on 87 in the last over of the innings<br><br>Bismillah Khan was on 15 off 5 balls<br><br>Second ball of the final over Imam didn't go for a single as he wanted to score a 100<br><br>Imam only scored 5 off the last 4 balls<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NationalT20Cup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NationalT20Cup</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1315338508182093830?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2020</a></blockquote>
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That’s ridiculous. He should be dropped for this.
 
Good stuff from Imam but he should be reprimanded for his final over antics.

Remember Morgan had a dig at Malan for not attempting a bye of the final ball to protect his average.

This is the sort of team first culture Pakistani cricketers need.
 
A very cunning and selfish guy. He knows the art of scoring runs and long runs.
 
saabir said:
A very cunning and selfish guy. He knows the art of scoring runs and long runs.
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Not bad attributes are they? apart from maybe the selfish part but that can help one succeed sometimes.
 
I would like him to answer this charge personally.
 
Really?! Video available?

This is disgusting and shows that he should NEVER play for Pak again. I mean what the...

I still remember he scored a tuk tuk 100 vs SA and acted as if Pak won the game. In fact SA chased down the score.
 
Unacceptable. I like Imam as a batsman but he needs to learn from this and learn quickly.
 
Bad from him not to take a single

The hate he gets is unreal. His strike rate is 147 in this tournament. Haris Sohail played a horrible knock today
 
Lets look Nt20 openers SR that have scored more than 150 runs
Babar Azam 163.80
Awais Zia 162.88
Imam ul haq 147.17
Kamran Akmal 138.46
Khuram Manzoor 137.76
Muhammad Rizwan 133.06
Zeeshan Malik 132.69
Fakhar Zaman 132.67
Sharjeel Khan 129.44


Accept the ugly truth that we would love to have players like Rohit Sharma, David Warner and Johnny Bairstow but we simply don’ t have it.

Imam will play ODI cricket unless someone better comes up
 
pakistani pride said:
How many 100s he scored that won PAK a game of cricket?

He bats slow and is selfish.
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That charge could levelled against a few of our players in recent history, perhaps he's taking inspiration from them on how to save your spot.

Cric_lover4487 said:
So did Ahmad Shehzad. He always started way slow and only started to accelerate after playing 70 balls. Reminds me of Indian players in 90s. Selfish and lack of talent.
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Spot on. Even after accelerating his SR overall was 72. Imam is still a league above compared to Shehzad.
 
He needs to be booted out for his selfish act. The guy surely knows how to score soft runs.
 
Pakistani players in general have mostly always been selfish, IK said the same back in the day that some were always putting themselves before the team and country they have got the privilege to represent.

Our players do not seem to learn anything from history at all.
 
He did score 92 of 60 I think today , which is a very good SR over all. Have not seen the incident which the OP is referring to , but his overall SR is 147 for this tournament so I don’t think he has been playing to selfishly.

He has his limitations as an opening limited overs batsman but he still has a very good average and a decent SR which can compliment the likes of Fakhar , Babar , Haider Ali to play their natural game in one dayers.

I just think he gets a lot of hate on here , but he’s an upgrade on the likes of Shehzad, Jamshed, Kami Akmal as openers we have had in recent times and still developing .
 
Kroll said:
That charge could levelled against a few of our players in recent history, perhaps he's taking inspiration from them on how to save your spot.



Spot on. Even after accelerating his SR overall was 72. Imam is still a league above compared to Shehzad.
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I feel Misbah's style has seeped into the mindset of Pakistani batsman. I recall Pakistani approach to chase both in WC15 and WC19 match vs us(India), Pakistan approached chase way too cautiously on a good batting wicket. In WC19 match, Pak was 100/1 in 22 overs chasing 330 on a great batting wicket. I couldn't understand the strategy.
 
Tbh I like this and this type of thinking suits an opener

cause big runs are needed from an opener regardless of bowls played so this selfishness may not look good right know especially in T20 cricket but this is a great trait for a proper batsman but if he is backing himself than he should make sure to finish it of

Selfishness is the first requirement to be a great from Jordon to any other great players they were all accused of being "selfish" so in my eyes this is a great personality trait

BUT saying all that Greats also don't lose games so if you're 99% you can hit big leave give someone else the strike and in the meantime work on the power game
 
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Imam says he wasn’t really thinking about his century but it crossed his mind in the last over.

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Abdullah719 said:
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If he was batting with a tailender fair enough, but he was batting with a proper batsman who had scored 15 off 5 balls.
 
Completely disagree with some of the posts here. Ramiz Raja analyzed it well - if you bowled well, fielded well, and one of your batsmen also scores 90+ runs and you still don’t win, that means there is an issue with strike rate.

92 off 60 is good, but at 150 SR almost reaching a hundred in T20 is almost criminal. At this point, your SR should at least be 160-170 especially on a pitch like this. Important thing is Balochistan’s lower order wickets did not come into play. Would have been better if Imam tried accelerating earlier on, got out for 70 off 40, and then three more wickets down the order combined to give 15 (8), 6 (3), and 17(9).

That adds up to 108(60), or essentially 15 more runs which would have won Balochistan the game.
 
Absolutely acceptable given what has transpired with him. He was unceremoniously dropped from ODIs when he never deserved to. To make a comeback into the side, he has to be selfish. I don't mind it. He's not doing it on the international level. It's a meaningless domestic T20 match in the grander scheme of things, but if he could've gotten a century, it would've nudged the selectors to think about him. He tried for the century, failed, move on.

To blame him for baluchistan losing the match is ridiculous. You have Haris Sohail playing at less than a run a ball and Yasir Shah giving more than 50 runs, yet it is Imam who lost the match? What utter rubbish.

If Imam did this on the international level, I'd be angry. But not here. He fully deserved to get his century and he failed trying to do it. Fair enough. Move on.
 
He needs to be told this is unacceptable Imran khan wouldve told him straight back in the 80s

If you dont then other players will think this is ok too

A culture needs to be created of professionalism in all aspects and putting the teams needs first

This isnt school cricket, it may seem minor but all these minor infringements adds up and will continue to take pakistan cricket behind other nations

You dont disregard selfishness, fitness, running between the wickets, strike rotation, fielding and become one of the best teams in the world

A standard needs to be laid I hope someone has a stern word with him today
 
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The guy literally drilled a drive straight to the fielder, bit of a stretch to say he was doing it for his century. Nevertheless, if that was the reason for him refusing a run, it's pretty disgusting.
 
shariqnoor said:
Absolutely acceptable given what has transpired with him. He was unceremoniously dropped from ODIs when he never deserved to. To make a comeback into the side, he has to be selfish. I don't mind it. He's not doing it on the international level. It's a meaningless domestic T20 match in the grander scheme of things, but if he could've gotten a century, it would've nudged the selectors to think about him. He tried for the century, failed, move on.

To blame him for baluchistan losing the match is ridiculous. You have Haris Sohail playing at less than a run a ball and Yasir Shah giving more than 50 runs, yet it is Imam who lost the match? What utter rubbish.

If Imam did this on the international level, I'd be angry. But not here. He fully deserved to get his century and he failed trying to do it. Fair enough. Move on.
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When was he dropped? He has played consistently barring an injury in Pakistan’s last game against Sri Lanka. Check your facts first.

Secondly, Imam is a guaranteed opener in ODI’s for Pakistan right now. However, this is a T20 match, and Imam should have tried to move to 2 boundaries an over by the time of over 12 and 3 boundaries an over by over 15. He played well as an opener, but Balochistan was missing someone who could play at 180 strike rate in the last 5 overs.

And yes, Haris Sohail is equally responsible.
 
shariqnoor said:
Absolutely acceptable given what has transpired with him. He was unceremoniously dropped from ODIs when he never deserved to. To make a comeback into the side, he has to be selfish. I don't mind it. He's not doing it on the international level. It's a meaningless domestic T20 match in the grander scheme of things, but if he could've gotten a century, it would've nudged the selectors to think about him. He tried for the century, failed, move on.

To blame him for baluchistan losing the match is ridiculous. You have Haris Sohail playing at less than a run a ball and Yasir Shah giving more than 50 runs, yet it is Imam who lost the match? What utter rubbish.

If Imam did this on the international level, I'd be angry. But not here. He fully deserved to get his century and he failed trying to do it. Fair enough. Move on.
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Lmao. Imam was never dropped from ODIs. He played the first ODI vs SL last year, then got injured and Abid replaced him for the second ODI. and we have not.played an ODI ever since.
 
Abdullah719 said:
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When I first read this thread, I thought Imam had been very selfish. However looking at this video, it seems to me that the ball went straight to the fielder. If they'd run and the fielder had picked it up cleanly, there was serious chance of a run out. Given that the fielder misfielded, they would have made it had they run. However Imam could not have known that the misfield would take place and so it was a reasonable decision not to run, but arguably the wrong one given that it was the final over.

Conclusion: not enough evidence to suggest Imam was being selfish.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Completely disagree with some of the posts here. Ramiz Raja analyzed it well - if you bowled well, fielded well, and one of your batsmen also scores 90+ runs and you still don’t win, that means there is an issue with strike rate.

92 off 60 is good, but at 150 SR almost reaching a hundred in T20 is almost criminal. At this point, your SR should at least be 160-170 especially on a pitch like this. Important thing is Balochistan’s lower order wickets did not come into play. Would have been better if Imam tried accelerating earlier on, got out for 70 off 40, and then three more wickets down the order combined to give 15 (8), 6 (3), and 17(9).

That adds up to 108(60), or essentially 15 more runs which would have won Balochistan the game.
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Exactly should have accelerated earlier......but denying single is criminal...Balochistan could still
Have added 10 12 runs more
 
The video actually changed my mind a bit. It was a very tight single if he went for it, he would likely have been run out.
 
Many of the people commenting here did not actually watch the game.

1. It was the 19th over, at that point you run for everything. He intentionally didn't. Many people are speculating he did it so he could get to his hundred (even the commentators), which I personally agree with. Remember he was batting with a bigger hitter than him (Bismillah) who was 15 off 5 balls.

2. For me, a large part of his innings was slow and arguably selfish. He was batting too slow for a while; he was on 36 off 33 with 9 wickets in hand and only 8 overs to go...47 off 40 in the 15th over with still 8 wickets in hand. Its easy to be fooled by the end result where he finished with a higher strike rate, but a large part of that was due to terrible bowling by Sindh in the last 5 overs on top of some truly horrific fielding. Imam played too slow for a big chunk of the innings resulting in overall a suboptimal total. If it wasnt for Sindh imploding in those last overs Balochistan would have finished with an even lower total.
(Sarfraz had his face buried in his gloves repeatedly, it was so bad)
 
A stupid thing to do. There is nothing wrong with a batter being selfish, but he should have gone for the single here as the other batter had made a good start.

When I mean a batter being selfish is good, they have that desire to score a century and will do anything to protect their wicket.
 
Never understood the "selfish" argument.

Why go after the guy who top scored and not blame those who didn't even get going? I mean the team got that score BECAUSE of his runs not DESPITE his runs. A so called selfish batter might become a bit cautious when a few runs away from a 50/100 and rightfully so, they deserve that score for how well they played. Otherwise people start talking about conversion rates and how that batsman didn't "kick on"

People will always find a way to criticize Imam unfortunately. That's just the way it is. His only fault is that he is confident and Inzi's nephew.
 
I've never liked this guy's attitude and here's just another reason why. I hope he never gets picked for Pakistan again.

Fakhar, Sharjeel, Shan and Abid are all superior to him anyway.
 
91* (60) is a brilliant T20 innings at any level - in that regard he kept his team in contest alone.... but I read that he refused a single on second ball of last over with 7 wickets at hand and his partner was bashing at 300% SR - that’s criminal, he would have lost some years of his PAK career if someone Imran Khan was watching, being PAK captain.
 
El Generico said:
The video actually changed my mind a bit. It was a very tight single if he went for it, he would likely have been run out.
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Due to the fumble, I think would have made it comfortably. The commentator expressing her surprise and subsequent contempt is a big clue.
 
He didn't perform today and look how pathetic Balochistan is without his contributions.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Personal milestones should never come first<br><br>Imam-Ul-Haq was on 87 in the last over of the innings<br><br>Bismillah Khan was on 15 off 5 balls<br><br>Second ball of the final over Imam didn't go for a single as he wanted to score a 100<br><br>Imam only scored 5 off the last 4 balls<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NationalT20Cup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NationalT20Cup</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1315338508182093830?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2020</a></blockquote>
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I couldn't believe the commentator when they said he was being selfish, and now this post.. He crunched it to midoff and there wasn't really a run on.. Yes he coulda ran for it and taken a chance on the throw given it was the last over but it wasn't that he had time to think about his hundred and then turned down a single. Super harsh to label a guy who was on 87 selfish for something like this. Unreal hate for the guy
 
osama.t said:
I couldn't believe the commentator when they said he was being selfish, and now this post.. He crunched it to midoff and there wasn't really a run on.. Yes he coulda ran for it and taken a chance on the throw given it was the last over but it wasn't that he had time to think about his hundred and then turned down a single. Super harsh to label a guy who was on 87 selfish for something like this. Unreal hate for the guy
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It wouldve been tight but there was no intent either from him to look for single

He saw it go towards the fielder n either decided there was no run straightaway or i want the hundred so im not running

You should be on the lookout for runs off every ball at that stage of the innings He was being lazy at best
 
Zaz said:
It wouldve been tight but there was no intent either from him to look for single

He saw it go towards the fielder n either decided there was no run straightaway or i want the hundred so im not running

You should be on the lookout for runs off every ball at that stage of the innings He was being lazy at best
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Yes, but you can judge how fast it will get to the fielder based on how it came off the bat. Esp to mid-off mid-on you can tell if the run is on right away.
 
osama.t said:
I couldn't believe the commentator when they said he was being selfish, and now this post.. He crunched it to midoff and there wasn't really a run on.. Yes he coulda ran for it and taken a chance on the throw given it was the last over but it wasn't that he had time to think about his hundred and then turned down a single. Super harsh to label a guy who was on 87 selfish for something like this. Unreal hate for the guy
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Last over of the innings. You have to be running for everything.

Who knows, by taking that single, they could have scored 10 or so more runs and won the game.
 
Saj said:
Last over of the innings. You have to be running for everything.

Who knows, by taking that single, they could have scored 10 or so more runs and won the game.
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I wonder tho if anyone would've said that or made this thread if it was a different player than Imam. They didn't lose the game because of him, or that missed single. It's a game of margins but not because someone refused a nearly suicidal run, last over or not.
 
osama.t said:
I wonder tho if anyone would've said that or made this thread if it was a different player than Imam. They didn't lose the game because of him, or that missed single. It's a game of margins but not because someone refused a nearly suicidal run, last over or not.
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It doesn't matter who the player is, the fact remains, there should have been a single taken, which could have affected the outcome of the match.
 
Although I agree he is selfish but he is also hungry for runs and hundred . Given the batting talent available in Pakistan he is the guy who need to be in the side. He is not very gifted like Babar but he is very intelligent player who can utilize his potential to the maximun level. He Looks confident, speak well and does not have the pendu mentality like most Pakistani players have. He should open the batting for Pakistan in Test and ODI . He is the Better version of Shan Masood and Abid Ali .
 
Watched the video again and again.
I changed my mind
Ball went straight to fielder with lightening speed
Let's accept this
There wasn't a run and benefit of doubt should go to him.
 
Golden arm said:
Watched the video again and again.
I changed my mind
Ball went straight to fielder with lightening speed
Let's accept this
There wasn't a run and benefit of doubt should go to him.
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Was a 100% run out if he tried to take that single. So nothing wrong there.
but as always Imam played a selfish innings. Unfortunately, half of our players are like Imam and this has now become a serious issue.
RIP Pakistan cricket.
 
GreenKhan said:
He did score 92 of 60 I think today , which is a very good SR over all. Have not seen the incident which the OP is referring to , but his overall SR is 147 for this tournament so I don’t think he has been playing to selfishly.

He has his limitations as an opening limited overs batsman but he still has a very good average and a decent SR which can compliment the likes of Fakhar , Babar , Haider Ali to play their natural game in one dayers.

I just think he gets a lot of hate on here , but he’s an upgrade on the likes of Shehzad, Jamshed, Kami Akmal as openers we have had in recent times and still developing .
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Defo an upgrade on the players you mentioned
 
I showed the video clip to one of his team-mates in the team and even he said that Imam should have gone for the single.
 
TV comms saying Zimbabwe were almost happy to see Imam at the crease.

Imam run out (Madhevere/Raza) 58(75) [4s-6]
 
It wasnt a great innings Its becoming a consistent theme with him where he seems to play for himself n not as per the team requirements
 
Zaz said:
It wasnt a great innings Its becoming a consistent theme with him where he seems to play for himself n not as per the team requirements
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Maybe the requirements were given by the management to play like this
 
shamaan said:
Well then if he isnt following the team requirements then he should be dropped but I wouldnt trust the management to define roles also what role was abid given ?
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Looks like everyone was given the same role To hold the fort n get 250 on board
 
Questions will be asked of Imam if he doesnt score big and set up the game
 
He’s just lost pakistan another game this selfish shambles of a player with his snail paced innings. He will lose many more. Pathetic player
 
imam playing for a draw here, some one remind this fool its not a test match.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Damage is already done early in the game. hes just selfishly playing for himself.
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Unfortunately he’s a very timid and limited player who would struggle to get into any associate teams like Netherlands never mind any other international team.

He’s the worst opener to ever play international cricket period a nothing player
 
Also his fielding nothing to write home about - catch went to him today and went through him
 
MenInG said:
Also his fielding nothing to write home about - catch went to him today and went through him
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Babar will ignore it and keep picking him, just like he keeps picking hasan Ali as well.
 
Imam : Modern day Minnow Basher
Now since we are on verge of loss; he will make sure he completes his 100

Still remember his exploits against Zimbabwe and his meek surrender against India in WC 2019
There used to be a time when poor performers against India were used to shown door for ever, but looks like Imam and Misbah are exception
 
Misbah school of thoughts : Play for your place first (consume 50 bas to score 20-35 runs at max)
And when team has already lost it (and opposition is in experimentation mode) try to score quickly, and make it 75 from 90 balls . Overall strike rate : 85%

Same goes with Imam and babar
 
Just dosn't have the shots to go through the gears. Anyone can get singles in a one day game.
 
Sorry this late flurry of boundaries is not good enough. He always plays to save his spot and when match is well and truly lost smashes a few boundaries at the end just like misbah did in his selfish career.. just ugly to watch and worst opener will lose you a lot of games is my verdict
 
Birdman said:
wow, you guys are bashing a guy who is scoring 80 odd at run a ball.
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With your mentality we will be stuck playing the 80 brand of cricket Forever. I don’t care if he bats at 140 strike rate now the match is well and truly over and decides to hit a few boundaries to save his grace the epitome of mediocrity
 
Hope he gets his hundred soon! Game might be over at this rate
 
As expected useless 100, let the req run rate sky rocket then gets out.
 
Selfish batting should be booted out from all formats ASAP gives negative thinking to team
 
Career ODI strike-rate of 81.

I don't think that's acceptable really despite the average of 50.61.
 
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