[VIDEO] Imam-ul-Haq - selfish or acceptable?

[YousafTheBeast]

pakistan should recall Azhar Ali and Ahmed shehzad

No need, we have their clones in Imam and Babar.

 

[Ahmed216]

Hes not responsible for their failure Hes responsible for his own

Rob Key said it live on air They Babar and Imam played too slowly at top They need to go harder and have more urgency when set and get ontop of the rate Stop stat padding and play for the team

Dont ask new batsmen to come in and score at 8-9-10 an over Yes likes of rizwan and ifti etc shouldve done better but you need to give them a chance Not throw them into the deepend where invariably they will sink

Rob key is an idiot according to some of our delusional fans. No wonder imam is favorite of indians because he just kills the game by playing 100 balls.One notorious poster thinks hashim amla made impactless runs but doesn't apply the same standards to imam.
All of his centuries against big sides like aus SA eng have come in a losing cause.

 

[The_KING]

In hindsight, it was a poor innings by Imam. I watched the replay and he was very slow initially but sadly he is one of our best openers because our standards are in the gutter.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Can’t believe what I’m reading from some of these posters.

A player who is mediocre shouldn’t be replaced because he’s the best we’ve got, so we should just settle with being mediocre instead of looking to find a replacement because then we can still be…mediocre.

Hassan Ali is the best we’ve got, so we shouldn’t drop him.

Saud Shakeel is the best we’ve got, so we shouldn’t drop him.

Zahid Mahmood is the best we’ve got, so we shouldn’t drop him.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Can’t believe what I’m reading from some of these posters.��

A player who is mediocre shouldn’t be replaced because he’s the best we’ve got, so we should just settle with being mediocre instead of looking to find a replacement because then we can still be…mediocre.

Hassan Ali is the best we’ve got, so we shouldn’t drop him.

Saud Shakeel is the best we’ve got, so we shouldn’t drop him.

Zahid Mahmood is the best we’ve got, so we shouldn’t drop him.

Quite the opposite.

If you want to throw people out for mediocrity start from the people who played at 20 and 50 SR and score less than 30.

Not the guy who is mediocre but hits 100.

The problem is people want to start with the guy who has hit 100 and want to give even worse players a longer rope in the team just because of their own favorites.

 

[jeetu]

Well pakistan has too many accumulators at the moment

Babar Rizwan Imam

We cant have them all playing the same way Not in this day and age

I agree , very few players like Viv Richards etc were able to maintain high average with great Strike Rate. Until such type of player are discovered teams needs to mix it up with dasher and accumulator.

List of ODI players with 40+ batting average and 85+ SR (min 80 matches)
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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar (INDIA) [/td][td]463 [/td][td]18426 [/td][td]44.83 [/td][td]86.23 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]96 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MS Dhoni (Asia/INDIA) [/td][td]350 [/td][td]10773 [/td][td]50.57 [/td][td]87.56 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]73 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Kohli (INDIA) [/td][td]260 [/td][td]12311 [/td][td]58.07 [/td][td]92.92 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]64 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RG Sharma (INDIA) [/td][td]230 [/td][td]9283 [/td][td]48.6 [/td][td]89.01 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]44 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AB de Villiers (Afr/SA) [/td][td]228 [/td][td]9577 [/td][td]53.5 [/td][td]101.09 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]53 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Watson (AUS) [/td][td]190 [/td][td]5757 [/td][td]40.54 [/td][td]90.44 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Guptill (NZ) [/td][td]187 [/td][td]6929 [/td][td]41.99 [/td][td]87.64 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards (WI) [/td][td]187 [/td][td]6721 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]90.2 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MEK Hussey (AUS) [/td][td]185 [/td][td]5442 [/td][td]48.15 [/td][td]87.16 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HM Amla (SA) [/td][td]181 [/td][td]8113 [/td][td]49.46 [/td][td]88.39 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]L Klusener (SA) [/td][td]171 [/td][td]3576 [/td][td]41.1 [/td][td]89.91 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JE Root (ENG) [/td][td]152 [/td][td]6109 [/td][td]51.33 [/td][td]86.84 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Dhawan (INDIA) [/td][td]149 [/td][td]6284 [/td][td]45.53 [/td][td]93.37 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]F du Plessis (SA) [/td][td]143 [/td][td]5507 [/td][td]47.47 [/td][td]88.6 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DA Miller (SA) [/td][td]143 [/td][td]3503 [/td][td]40.73 [/td][td]101.03 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KP Pietersen (ENG/ICC) [/td][td]136 [/td][td]4440 [/td][td]40.73 [/td][td]86.58 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AJ Finch (AUS) [/td][td]133 [/td][td]5255 [/td][td]41.7 [/td][td]88.27 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Q de Kock (SA) [/td][td]129 [/td][td]5658 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]95.97 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SPD Smith (AUS) [/td][td]128 [/td][td]4378 [/td][td]43.34 [/td][td]88.49 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DA Warner (AUS) [/td][td]128 [/td][td]5455 [/td][td]45.45 [/td][td]95.53 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BA Stokes (ENG) [/td][td]101 [/td][td]2871 [/td][td]40.43 [/td][td]95.35 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JJ Roy (ENG) [/td][td]98 [/td][td]3658 [/td][td]40.19 [/td][td]107.27 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JM Bairstow (ENG) [/td][td]89 [/td][td]3498 [/td][td]47.91 [/td][td]105.01 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Babar Azam (PAK) [/td][td]84 [/td][td]4042 [/td][td]56.92 [/td][td]89.4 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Quite the opposite.

If you want to throw people out for mediocrity start from the people who played at 20 and 50 SR and score less than 30.

Not the guy who is mediocre but hits 100.

The problem is people want to start with the guy who has hit 100 and want to give even worse players a longer rope in the team just because of their own favorites.

Can you give me those names who you’re referring to?

An opener getting a century in the 37th over is never a century for the team… but for himself.

The team comes first, I want an opener that takes risks for the team, I don’t care if he gets out on 50-60, as long as it’s coming at a quick rate. 50 from 30 balls from an opener is much more valuable than a 100 coming at a run a ball.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Can you give me those names who you’re referring to?

An opener getting a century in the 37th over is never a century for the team… but for himself.

The team comes first, I want an opener that takes risks for the team, I don’t care if he gets out on 50-60, as long as it’s coming at a quick rate. 50 from 30 balls from an opener is much more valuable than a 100 coming at a run a ball.

If we are going to throw out people, then lets start from

Iftikhar
Khushdil
Rizwan
Babar
Hasan
Wasim Jr

All of them were equally useless yesterday.

If you don't want your opener to stay till 35th over, then just change Imam from opener to number 3 or 4 and move Rizwan up the order.

You can't have all 7 batsmen who go gung-ho all the time.

One Imam in the middle isn't going to make a difference especially when he comes at 3 or 4 and stabilizes the ininings.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

If we are going to throw out people, then lets start from

Iftikhar
Khushdil
Rizwan
Babar
Hasan
Wasim Jr

All of them were equally useless yesterday.

If you don't want your opener to stay till 35th over, then just change Imam from opener to number 3 or 4 and move Rizwan up the order.

You can't have all 7 batsmen who go gung-ho all the time.

One Imam in the middle isn't going to make a difference especially when he comes at 3 or 4 and stabilizes the ininings.

I was hoping you’d mention those names.

My opinions on Imam aren’t just based on todays game, your opinions are.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I was hoping you’d mention those names.

My opinions on Imam aren’t just based on todays game, your opinions are.

Well I am just talking about today's game.

The entire argument people are having is, IMAM lost us the game.

If you are telling about his career, well he has enough faults as it is, but he still manages to play around the team with his limited capability.

Perhaps in a better team, he is simply not needed.

In a poor team like Pakistan, surely there is a place for one accumulator if not opener, then at least somewhere in the middle.

 

[Zaz]

Well I am just talking about today's game.

The entire argument people are having is, IMAM lost us the game.

If you are telling about his career, well he has enough faults as it is, but he still manages to play around the team with his limited capability.

Perhaps in a better team, he is simply not needed.

In a poor team like Pakistan, surely there is a place for one accumulator if not opener, then at least somewhere in the middle.

Imam isnt necessarily the issue Its the fact too pakistan has too many accumulators in the team

We cant have him and babar and rizwan playing the same way

I say the brief needs to be simple to everyone Minimim 100 strike rate for everyone come what may No consolidation no setting the game up

Yes the middle order needs to stand up too Either score runs or ship out ifti and khushdil

Ydays performance from most of the players on display was far from acceptable

 

[Zaz]

For the record of the 11 teams imams batted against in odis his strike rate is above 80 against only 4, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe England and South Africa

He strikes at above 90 only against zimbabwe

 

[shamaan]

Achievable? half the team was out already because of climmbing run rate. pakistan were never going to get 120 off 12 overs vs Aus. Stop being so deluded.

10 runs an over for 11 overs is achievable we stil had Khushdil at the creese also you say Imaam didn't play well but what about Iftikhar who got 2 of 8 balls.Saud can in when the run rate was under 8.

You talk about fearless cricket but haven't provided example who can do this.so becouse England play this way every team should be able to do it right ok.

 

[shamaan]

Its not even that.

Lets assume he played at a poor SR of 80 to 100 all innings and scored a 100 runs and played till the 35th over.

The others played at a SR WORSE than him, made LESS RUNS than him, lasted LESS OVERS than him and spent nearly 3/4ths of the batting innings SIPPING TEA in the pavilion and the guy who HITS 100 off 100 odd balls should be shown the door because HE IS AWFUL.

Encore perhaps ?

The thing is that Imaam role is to bat throw the Innings whilst others batters should attack.Thats his role in the team.

 

[Zaz]

The thing is that Imaam role is to bat throw the Innings whilst others batters should attack.Thats his role in the team.

I thought babars the anchor no? The management needs to make it clear what everyones role is

You cant have everyone batting at 5 an over The simple suggestion is everyone bats at 100 strike rate Theres no anchor, no stablising the innings or setting it up for the lower order

 

[shamaan]

I thought babars the anchor no? The management needs to make it clear what everyones role is

You cant have everyone batting at 5 an over The simple suggestion is everyone bats at 100 strike rate Theres no anchor, no stablising the innings or setting it up for the lower order

That's we're Babar needs to be the aggressor or they can change the line up but Pakistan hardly does that.or another solution is drop Imaam and play Rizwan but not sure how you can drop someone who has good conversation rate.

 

[Kroll]

That's we're Babar needs to be the aggressor or they can change the line up but Pakistan hardly does that.or another solution is drop Imaam and play Rizwan but not sure how you can drop someone who has good conversation rate.

LOL, everyone’s an anchor - in other words everyone is stats padding or trying to save their spot.

What a useless and boring team, might as well go and watch paint dry.

 

[shamaan]

LOL, everyone’s an anchor - in other words everyone is stats padding or trying to save their spot.

What a useless and boring team, might as well go and watch paint dry.

It is boring but it's the best we have unfortunately.

 

[Amjid Javed]

It is boring but it's the best we have unfortunately.

10 runs an over for 11 overs is achievable we stil had Khushdil at the creese also you say Imaam didn't play well but what about Iftikhar who got 2 of 8 balls.Saud can in when the run rate was under 8.

You talk about fearless cricket but haven't provided example who can do this.so becouse England play this way every team should be able to do it right ok.

sorry but your seriously delusional if you think imam and khusdil were going to score 120 off 12 overs. niether play has won a game for pakistan from such a position.

 

[Shaka81]

Can you give me those names who you’re referring to?

An opener getting a century in the 37th over is never a century for the team… but for himself.

The team comes first, I want an opener that takes risks for the team, I don’t care if he gets out on 50-60, as long as it’s coming at a quick rate. 50 from 30 balls from an opener is much more valuable than a 100 coming at a run a ball.

Well the problem is that Pakistan don't have any players that will consistently get you quick runs. The best you will get is guys like Fakhar who will occasionally go big and win you a game but just as likely to get out early trying to be over ambitious, or someone like Sharjeel or Haider who will get you 10-15 quick runs and out. Fill your team with players like that and watch them struggle to ever complete 50 overs. Imam done his job, which is to ensure he stayed in one side and scores close to 100 strike rate as possible. No one supported him.

If we're chasing anyone out the team, we'll there's your culprits. But instead we get people feeling sorry for guys like Saud.... apparently it's not his fault because he's a test player. Azhar Ali got demonised for less. Surely even a test player can show some technique to bat longer and Ifti is meant to be an attacking player in domestic cricket but could barely get bat on ball. To improve these are the guys that need to be questioned first and then look at Imam and his inability to play the role of the anchor and finisher in one.

 

[shamaan]

sorry but your seriously delusional if you think imam and khusdil were going to score 120 off 12 overs. niether play has won a game for pakistan from such a position.

Like I stated please provide us with alternative if you can't then I suggest you sit back down.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Like I stated please provide us with alternative if you can't then I suggest you sit back down.

Like i stated stop hyping up mediocre players who selfishly play for themselves. If you think teams need anchors at top order in current modern day ODIs your deluded. Please go find urself a chair and sit down.

 

[shamaan]

Like i stated stop hyping up mediocre players who selfishly play for themselves. If you think teams need anchors at top order in current modern day ODIs your deluded. Please go find urself a chair and sit down.

Stil haven't provided any solutions

 

[MenInG]

Slowed down too much before his hundred or am I over-reading the situation?

 

[Sher Khan]

Slowed down too much before his hundred or am I over-reading the situation?

That is natural, nothing wrong with that.

 

[daytrader]

121 off 207, did the job. Got out trying to make up for a slow start

 

[bones]

121 off 207, did the job. Got out trying to make up for a slow start

Making up for a slow start? The test match can’t be won so the pace is not that important.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Only one team can win the match here that is England. No point Pakistan going for big shots and tryin to force the issue. Play sensibly and secure a draw. Imam should have played wisely than go for glory shots.

 

[Mamoon]

More heartburn for his irrational hater. Imam is a very good opener, the best Pakistani opener across Tests & ODIs. I’m glad the tried & tested failure Masood is rotting on the bench.

Imam will be a Pakistani great. Best opener since Saeed Anwar.

 

[TheSultan]

He gets a lot of hate, and he does have a bit of selfish nature regarding 100s, but he’s scoring runs and while he’s doing that, he definitely isn’t a problem for the team.

One thing I will say is that the ability to score 100s (even soft ones) is something good to have especially in test cricket.

 

[Ahmed216]

Pathetic test player. Can score only on such highways

 

[Shaka81]

Pathetic test player. Can score only on such highways

At least he can score runs and get hundreds regularly or would you rather have more players like Azhar Ali who can't even score on these pitches.... maybe a recall for Imran Butt!

 

[Saj]

Test average of 25 outside Pakistan.

Needs to work on that and improve upon it to convince people I reckon.

 

[Amjid Javed]

More heartburn for his irrational hater. Imam is a very good opener, the best Pakistani opener across Tests & ODIs. I’m glad the tried & tested failure Masood is rotting on the bench.

Imam will be a Pakistani great. Best opener since Saeed Anwar.

he will be known as a dead wicket specalist, otherwise hes just a walking wicket.

 

[Concerned]

Those who applaud Imam runs should equally applaud Rizwan and Babar T20 efforts.

All three are be able to occupy the crease however lack the ability to put the opposition under any sort of pressure.

 

[Mamoon]

Those who applaud Imam runs should equally applaud Rizwan and Babar T20 efforts.

All three are be able to occupy the crease however lack the ability to put the opposition under any sort of pressure.

Scoring Test hundreds at a SR of 50+ is perfectly fine. The way Babar & Rizwan bat in T20s is not.

 

[Mamoon]

he will be known as a dead wicket specalist, otherwise hes just a walking wicket.

Dead or not, a batsman is only one mistake away from getting out. You need concentration & focus to score runs regardless of the pitch & the best thing about Imam is his knack of scoring hundreds.

He is getting better in Test cricket & fully deserves his place in the side. Pakistan has always been a pathetic batting nation & it is heartening to see an opener like Imam come along after a long time.

People can can moan as much as they like but he will be Pakistan’s most prolific Test & ODI opener after Saeed Anwar.