[VIDEO] Imran Khan says 'feminism degrades role of mother'

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The feminism movement in the West has 'degraded' the role of a mother Imran Khan? Really?! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTI</a> <a href="https://t.co/UwIpEeADil">pic.twitter.com/UwIpEeADil</a></p>— Bilal Farooqi (@bilalfqi) <a href="https://twitter.com/bilalfqi/status/1008217048332275712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1736644/1-imran-khans-remarks-feminism-draw-social-media-ire/

KARACHI: Speaking to a private TV channel, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan has said that he disagrees with the Western ‘feminist movement’.

Khan claimed that the movement has contributed to ‘degenerating’ motherhood.

The remarks of PTI chairperson were deemed ‘anti-women’ and drew a social media backlash.

When contacted, the party’s media spokesperson didn’t respond to the questions The Express Tribune asked regarding the controversial statement, saying that ‘he is unaware of such a statement made by the party chief’.

 

[B@$!T]

Not gonna go down well with people regardless of what he actually meant to say..

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

He's not wrong at all. This whole feminist movement promotes the idea of women and men being equal and all. Nothing wrong with that ideology, but it shouldn't come at a cost of the children being ignored since the mother and father BOTH are out busy with making a living. Someone has to take a backseat and nurture the child at home, and historically the mother has fulfilled that role.

 

[hussain.r97]

What Imran Khan is saying isn't wrong. I am all for equal rights, equal opportunities, etc. But this new western concept of feminism has gone too far. The fact is that men and women are not the same, we are both physically and mentally different for a reason. Men and women are equal but both naturally have different roles in society, and no amount of protesting will change that.

 

[Mian]

This guy is such a desperate soul he tagged Jemima ex wife ok Khan to get her reply on Khan statement. (Jemima is taking legal action against Reham on that Book and guess what this very same guy is the lawyer of Reham in that case). He also mocked Imran's current wife for her dressing and than he talks about feminism lol why some of these desi liberals can't digest the fact that if a women want to hide everything it should be given respect just like if she wants to wear bikini thats upto her.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Feminism for me is about freedom to choose.</p>— Jemima Goldsmith (@Jemima_Khan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jemima_Khan/status/1008432021809614848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[s28]

Spot on.

Islam in the 'backwards' 6th Century was giving Women property rights (which they didn't get in the 'enlightened' West until 19th Century)

also Islam quite rightly puts position of Mother ahead of Father

these are quite basic facts of life which modern 'feminism' extremists can't seem to acknowedge

to be fair main Women of Colour are very good at calling out their 'White Feminist' comrades who frequently erase and dismiss 'Intersectional' minorities

 

[Minnowbasher]

Anyone living in the West would agree with imran khan. Over here the feminists (extreme ones) have gone way over the top. They get offended at little things such as Christians calling God their father and muslims referring to Allah as he. Also they look down at women who don't work or women that cover up (wear headscarf etc) as they think these are signs of oppression. I am a feminist as far as equal rights are concerned but the extent at which some extreme feminists here in the West go to is too far imo.
One thing that feminists need to accept is the fact that naturally there are some things that women are better/worse at or more suited to than men. For example it comes more natural for a woman to look after kids (most of the time). There is no problem with that nor is there a problem with women cooking etc.
I also believe that the video is a clear misinterpretation and unless we don't see the whole interview there is no need to jump to conclusions as the nooras typically are.

 

[Pakistanian]

He didn't say anything bad about feminists.

 

[DeadBall]

Spot on.

Islam in the 'backwards' 6th Century was giving Women property rights (which they didn't get in the 'enlightened' West until 19th Century)

also Islam quite rightly puts position of Mother ahead of Father

these are quite basic facts of life which modern 'feminism' extremists can't seem to acknowedge

to be fair main Women of Colour are very good at calling out their 'White Feminist' comrades who frequently erase and dismiss 'Intersectional' minorities

It did give rights back in the 6th Century but has been stuck there since then while the West has moved on.

 

[DeadBall]

Anyone living in the West would agree with imran khan. Over here the feminists (extreme ones) have gone way over the top. They get offended at little things such as Christians calling God their father and muslims referring to Allah as he. Also they look down at women who don't work or women that cover up (wear headscarf etc) as they think these are signs of oppression. I am a feminist as far as equal rights are concerned but the extent at which some extreme feminists here in the West go to is too far imo.
One thing that feminists need to accept is the fact that naturally there are some things that women are better/worse at or more suited to than men. For example it comes more natural for a woman to look after kids (most of the time). There is no problem with that nor is there a problem with women cooking etc.
I also believe that the video is a clear misinterpretation and unless we don't see the whole interview there is no need to jump to conclusions as the nooras typically are.

Agree with the extreme feminists or Feminazis as they're called but they like in this day and age of social media are quite the minority and are just given repetitive exposure to sell news. We have had extremists in every facet of society but the difference is everyone can have their opinion heard now.

 

[HussainRx8]

Imran Khan's remarks on feminism draw social media ire

KARACHI: Speaking to a private TV channel, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan has said that he disagrees with the Western ‘feminist movement’.

Khan claimed that the movement has contributed to ‘degenerating’ motherhood.

The remarks of PTI chairperson were deemed ‘anti-women’ and drew a social media backlash.

The twitteratis perceived such comments as highly ‘irresponsible’ and criticised Khan on his lack of knowledge of the ideology and movement.

Imran, Nawaz completed NA term with lowest attendance
Khan was accused of having lack of consideration for the gains (right to vote, run for office) of Women Suffrage Movement which also resulted in feminist movements across the globe demanding equal rights to life in a society. Commentators termed the remarks as a major disappointment.

When contacted, the party’s media spokesperson didn’t respond to the questions The Express Tribune asked regarding the controversial statement, saying that ‘he is unaware of such a statement made by the party chief’.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1736644/1-imran-khans-remarks-feminism-draw-social-media-ire/

 

[JaDed]

It's unfortunate from Imran buts it's expected, feminism is seen as very negative in the media and probably due to being hijacked incorrectly.

Tbf it deals with individualism of women and should be supported as they have the right to express themselves freely like Men have been able to do.

Motherhood is probably one of the most important aspects of human life but shouldn't be enforced upon women or be expected from them, esp w.r.t religion.

 

[JaDed]

Men and women are obviously different, the only thing women are saying is let women make their own decisions as compared to men making roles that are women centric.

Associating domestication with women is wrong, they have the right to.make their own decisions.

You don't like it then move on, stop enforcing.
Domestication of women is similar to caste issues , people cannot be put into brackets jus because of gender or else.

And yes women are not strong enough to be doing mining and are not stronger than men physically on average before anyone comes with that argument.

 

[Major]

Spot on.

Islam in the 'backwards' 6th Century was giving Women property rights (which they didn't get in the 'enlightened' West until 19th Century)

also Islam quite rightly puts position of Mother ahead of Father

these are quite basic facts of life which modern 'feminism' extremists can't seem to acknowedge

to be fair main Women of Colour are very good at calling out their 'White Feminist' comrades who frequently erase and dismiss 'Intersectional' minorities

Islam gives property rights, but what about when Men could marry 4 at the same time?

 

[DeadBall]

Islam gives property rights, but what about when Men could marry 4 at the same time?

Still half of what the men in the family get.

 

[Belawal2014]

Still half of what the men in the family get.

Any logical reason why?

 

[DeadBall]

Any logical reason why?

Religion and Logic don't go well together. For example, two female witnesses are equal to one male witness's testimony. Very advanced and liberating thought process for people living at the time but thoroughly useless in current times.

 

[Belawal2014]

Religion and Logic don't go well together. For example, two female witnesses are equal to one male witness's testimony. Very advanced and liberating thought process for people living at the time but thoroughly useless in current times.

Yeah I never understood some of these odd rules, for e.g. men can't wear gold, women can, sex with slaves is alright, consensual premarital sex isn't..makes you wonder why..

 

[DeadBall]

Yeah I never understood some of these odd rules, for e.g. men can't wear gold, women can, sex with slaves is alright, consensual premarital sex isn't..makes you wonder why..

Reflection of the times, may have been acceptable or even progressive at the time but inconsequential currently.

 

[Khan12]

It did give rights back in the 6th Century but has been stuck there since then while the West has moved on.

Islam is a religion not wishfull book which can be changed in accordance to people wishes.

 

[DeadBall]

Islam is a religion not wishfull book which can be changed in accordance to people wishes.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Most people have moved on from divine rules to current rules which actually can be bettered/modified and help our civilization as a whole to move forward.

 

[waqar goraya]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?184785-Are-Men-and-Women-really-equal

Reminds me of this thread.

What is a better option? Babysitters/boarding schools? a husband doing domestic work and looking after children? a woman doing domestic work? or both (men and women ) sharing domestic work?

 

[Khan12]

Couldn't have put it better myself. Most people have moved on from divine rules to current rules which actually can be bettered/modified and help our civilization as a whole to move forward.

Good for you. If they are providing you with better laws and i assume you live in the west so Islamic laws being updated shouldn't be bothering you.

 

[DeadBall]

Good for you. If they are providing you with better laws and i assume you live in the west so Islamic laws being updated shouldn't be bothering you.

They aren't being updated. Divine perfection cannot be updated. It's blasphemy. Unless it benefits some Mullah somewhere that is, then he can come up with his own "interpretation".

Also from your previous posts I think you are living in the West too, if that's the case I suggest you move to a Sharia law based country too like Saudi Arabia or Sudan to avail of all these divine fantastic rules.

 

[Khan12]

They aren't being updated. Divine perfection cannot be updated. It's blasphemy. Unless it benefits some Mullah somewhere that is, then he can come up with his own "interpretation".

Can you give us examples of laws being changed for mullahs?

 

[enkidu_]

Yes, 'second wave feminism', beginning after post WWII in the writings of Simone de Beauvoir and getting stronger from the 70s onwards, explicitly targeted the role of the woman as mother : Betty Friedan wrote "The feminine mystique", in the sense that this "mystique" is our traditionalist vision of the woman as mother-wife, while few years later Germaine Greer came up with the provocative "female eunuch", saying that a woman in an urbanized, middle-class nuclear family is literally a slave (Judith Butler and 'third wave feminism' basically destroyed the very idea of grammatical bifurcation in gender, and with the outburst of social networks, that's what we have as feminism nowadays).

Islam permits 'first wave feminism' (Mary Wollstonecraft, etc), which is about basic rights, but Muslim women don't even need it, as the prophet (pbuh) already gave all they needed in the 7th century (that's why as late as the mid-18th century, an aristocratic English woman, lady Montagu, heralded the role of the Muslim woman in the Ottoman Empire).

Those who call for feminism in Islam are traitors to the Islamic vision of the world.

 

[ManFan]

There’s a YT channel called “Islamaphobia TV” that has a series called, “Are women oppressed in Islam?”

A possible explaination for the two witness rule is also available.

 

[Asch Ali]

Some of the replies to the thread. Wow just wow.

Men and women have different roles in life. Both of them can NEVER be equal. Feminism is truly a dumb movement and anyone who supports it is seriously misinformed.

Let’s say they are both married (man and woman ONLY). The job of the man is to protect his woman, provide her love and affection, keep her happy, and provide her with pleasure. The job of the woman is to stay loyal, take care of kids, cook the food, and provide him with pleasure. Reham Khan is just a Westernized dash who can’t understand basic human culture. It’s not rocket science, Imran Khan is right.

 

[siddharth]

Some of the replies to the thread. Wow just wow.

Men and women have different roles in life. Both of them can NEVER be equal. Feminism is truly a dumb movement and anyone who supports it is seriously misinformed.

Let’s say they are both married (man and woman ONLY). The job of the man is to protect his woman, provide her love and affection, keep her happy, and provide her with pleasure. The job of the woman is to stay loyal, take care of kids, cook the food, and provide him with pleasure. Reham Khan is just a Westernized dash who can’t understand basic human culture. It’s not rocket science, Imran Khan is right.

Interesting may i know why thats not applicable to men...?

 

[Minnowbasher]

Some of the replies to the thread. Wow just wow.

Men and women have different roles in life. Both of them can NEVER be equal. Feminism is truly a dumb movement and anyone who supports it is seriously misinformed.

Let’s say they are both married (man and woman ONLY). The job of the man is to protect his woman, provide her love and affection, keep her happy, and provide her with pleasure. The job of the woman is to stay loyal, take care of kids, cook the food, and provide him with pleasure. Reham Khan is just a Westernized dash who can’t understand basic human culture. It’s not rocket science, Imran Khan is right.

Okay this is quite extreme. I agree we aren't exactly equal but to say a woman's job is to stay loyal is extreme as a man must also stay loyal and a man should also look after kids.
"Provide him with pleasure" LOL should the man not also?
To say feminism is dumb is also a huge generalisation as majority of feminists simply want equal rights and equal pay which u can't blame them for. We should all be feminists in that regard. I agree the extreme feminist views that women should also work full time all the time and shouldn't listen to their husbands is "dumb" but like I said most feminists simply want equality.

 

[Savak]

Not sure why this non stop arguing between men and woman about their roles? Why can't we peacefully co-exist?

 

[kingusama92]

Everyone has the right to make their own choices.

If a woman wishes to be a "stay at home" wife/mother then it should be of her choosing. Same applies to a working woman.

Both extremes are when things go wrong. No one likes hardcore feminists that outrageously degrade housewives for following a traditional path nor does anyone like men that say all women should stay at home.

Pakistani politicians should steer away from making such comments. The nation has several areas that don't let women vote for crying out loud. Let's focus on the first wave of feminism before complaining about second and third wave.

 

[Robert]

He's not wrong at all. This whole feminist movement promotes the idea of women and men being equal and all. Nothing wrong with that ideology, but it shouldn't come at a cost of the children being ignored since the mother and father BOTH are out busy with making a living. Someone has to take a backseat and nurture the child at home, and historically the mother has fulfilled that role.

If the mother has more earning power than the father, he should stay at home and mind the kids.

 

[IMMY69]

These days you can hire a a fully qualified nanny to look after the children or drop them in to a day center. A kid will get nurtured and educated whether at home or in a day center and still become a cranky teenager who wants nothing to do with their parents.

There is no right or wrong in bringing up children and people are far to judgmental on these things.
At the end of the day it's the parent's decision.

One thing is certain, being a stay at home parent is a difficult and thankless job and man has had it easy for far too long.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's one of those subjects which is always going to polarise, with good arguments to be made on either side. Women get to work in the modern world, which is great if that's their priority, but it does affect family life negatively as a result. In the old days where you had Stepford Wives attitudes as portrayed in Mad Men, the roles were more clearly defined, and it worked in it's own fashion, if more restrictive on opportunities.

While women working gives them more freedom, it has meant that kids don't get the same attention from their mother, and while there are ways round this, most women would prefer to bring up their own kids given the choice. I suppose men could do it too, but is that what women really prefer? I don't think so personally. If they say they don't mind sharing this role, it's a bit like when they say they don't mind sharing a bill for a nice dinner. They'll pay their share, but they think the man is a loser if he doesn't take care of the bill in reality.

Financially, many households need two incomes these days to make things work, but it used to work with one income perfectly well previously. All that's happened is property prices and inflation reflect the bigger incomes available so you get two people paying for the same stuff that one person's income used to cover.

 

[Savak]

It's one of those subjects which is always going to polarise, with good arguments to be made on either side. Women get to work in the modern world, which is great if that's their priority, but it does affect family life negatively as a result. In the old days where you had Stepford Wives attitudes as portrayed in Mad Men, the roles were more clearly defined, and it worked in it's own fashion, if more restrictive on opportunities.

While women working gives them more freedom, it has meant that kids don't get the same attention from their mother, and while there are ways round this, most women would prefer to bring up their own kids given the choice. I suppose men could do it too, but is that what women really prefer? I don't think so personally. If they say they don't mind sharing this role, it's a bit like when they say they don't mind sharing a bill for a nice dinner. They'll pay their share, but they think the man is a loser if he doesn't take care of the bill in reality.

Financially, many households need two incomes these days to make things work, but it used to work with one income perfectly well previously. All that's happened is property prices and inflation reflect the bigger incomes available so you get two people paying for the same stuff that one person's income used to cover.

There has to be solid mutual love and respect b/w Husband and wife, that is the critical starting point. If the wife wants to work and have a professional career of her own, or if she wants down time where she wants to be social or look after herself, household chores and duties, Hubby should support her and help her out by doing what he can to hire help to help her deal with the kids. Alternatively if she wants to stay at home and spend most time with the kids, Hubby should support her decision as well.

The role of a house wife is under appreciated and priceless, lol just try quantifying the cost of the duties a mother, house wife does at home in terms of house hold chores, taking care of the kids with how much it would cost to hire a nanny, cook, cleaner and you will know what I am talking about.

Unfortunately the old generation who criticize the present generation where two spouses are working to make ends meet keep forgetting that during their own time the cost of living was much cheaper. For e.g. starting off at an entry level salary of $35,000 in the 1970's-90's and starting off at an entry level salary of $35,000 today is a totally different ball game.

 

[DeadBall]

Here in Germany the men usually share the tasks with the women and outside even more so. Whenever I visit friends it is the male who is mostly taking care of the children and even outside (in parks, beaches or just in general) he is the one supervising them. It's not that the mother does that too but from what I've seen of males from other countries German men actively take a lot of sincere interest in spending time with the children and help out the mother as much as possible.

 

[Mamoon]

Considering his track-record of treating women in his life, from wives to daughter (mother doesn’t count), I won’t take his views on this topic seriously.

However, I do not think he has said anything wrong here. Nonetheless, as usual, he wasn’t clever with his words and doesn’t know how to put his views across without creating controversy, so I am not surprised with the backlash.

 

[siddharth]

Considering his track-record of treating women in his life, from wives to daughter (mother doesn’t count), I won’t take his views on this topic seriously.

However, I do not think he has said anything wrong here. Nonetheless, as usual, he wasn’t clever with his words and doesn’t know how to put his views across without creating controversy, so I am not surprised with the backlash.

I always thought Imran is the only educated intelligent articulate cricketer from Pakistan....Recently Misbah...

 

[troodon]

Here in Germany the men usually share the tasks with the women and outside even more so. Whenever I visit friends it is the male who is mostly taking care of the children and even outside (in parks, beaches or just in general) he is the one supervising them. It's not that the mother does that too but from what I've seen of males from other countries German men actively take a lot of sincere interest in spending time with the children and help out the mother as much as possible.

Only the time the baby needs Mother's milk, a mother is the most important thing to the baby. Once the baby is 9-12 months old and ready to ween off of Mother's milk, a dad can be as effective as Mother.

I have 2 boys and I have been there and done that.

I would say once the Mother is done feeding her milk to the baby, A dad can very well take care of the infant.

Its just excuses that only Mom can calm down the baby or play with it or feed it food.

I see most Desi men simply shun away from most of the responsibility. They think it is all women's job. They neither cook, clean or take care of kids. I am in great minority over here.

Among Americans, I see dad's taking a major role in bringing up their kids.

Dumping everything on the women is taking easy way out. Our Desi men are expert Kaam chors.

 

[Mamoon]

I always thought Imran is the only educated intelligent articulate cricketer from Pakistan....Recently Misbah...

He is, but unfortunately he does not have any control over what he says and his highly impulsive. As a result, he lands himself in trouble and controversy frequently.

 

[DeadBall]

Only the time the baby needs Mother's milk, a mother is the most important thing to the baby. Once the baby is 9-12 months old and ready to ween off of Mother's milk, a dad can be as effective as Mother.

I have 2 boys and I have been there and done that.

I would say once the Mother is done feeding her milk to the baby, A dad can very well take care of the infant.

Its just excuses that only Mom can calm down the baby or play with it or feed it food.

I see most Desi men simply shun away from most of the responsibility. They think it is all women's job. They neither cook, clean or take care of kids. I am in great minority over here.

Among Americans, I see dad's taking a major role in bringing up their kids.

Dumping everything on the women is taking easy way out. Our Desi men are expert Kaam chors.

True regarding the Desi men or even any place where men would rather not take this extra workload or think of it as an offence to their masculinity. Don't get the period regarding when the baby is on the mother's milk though as that is only a couple of hours a day and it is also the worst period to be a parent as the baby is constantly crying. We have two neighbors who have had babies in the past couple of years and it's mostly the Dad and Mom having alternative night shifts to take care of the baby even though the mother has 1 year off paid but the Dad is still working.

 

[troodon]

True regarding the Desi men or even any place where men would rather not take this extra workload or think of it as an offence to their masculinity. Don't get the period regarding when the baby is on the mother's milk though as that is only a couple of hours a day and it is also the worst period to be a parent as the baby is constantly crying. We have two neighbors who have had babies in the past couple of years and it's mostly the Dad and Mom having alternative night shifts to take care of the baby even though the mother has 1 year off paid but the Dad is still working.

The mentality and attitude needs to change. I see the shift though slow happening.

 

[DeadBall]

The mentality and attitude needs to change. I see the shift though slow happening.

With Desi/Arab/(or basically wherever women are oppressed by men)? Haven't been with them in their natural habitat for quite some time. Good that the tides are changing though.