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He has lost the plot completely. A shining example of what desperation for power does to you.

His desire to become the PM has finished him - he is a shell of a who once was. The Imran Khan who gave hope to the nation died five years ago.
 
Latest update:

The savior says that it wasn't a sajda but a “bosa” (kiss) out of respect to the saint. I think out of respect and reverence, all insafians should give a "bosa" in prostrate form whenever he graces them with his presence.

He has shown them the way, better follow him now.
 
He has lost the plot completely. A shining example of what desperation for power does to you.

His desire to become the PM has finished him - he is a shell of a who once was. The Imran Khan who gave hope to the nation died five years ago.

Latest update:

The savior says that it wasn't a sajda but a “bosa” (kiss) out of respect to the saint. I think out of respect and reverence, all insafians should give a "bosa" in prostrate form whenever he graces them with his presence.

He has shown them the way, better follow him now.

This isn't unusual behaviour and typically people show their respects to the saint in this fashion plus he has his own personal views on religion and I'd have thought you'd be open enough to see that they have nothing to do with the ability to be the next PM for Pakistan. Many extreme salafists and wahabi's interpret the mere visit of a shrine as grave worship and shirk though.

In many cases such people are murdered for such visits in your country, then again tolerance is not common in that part of the world and people are not careful about the things they say when it comes to issues like these.
 
He has lost the plot completely. A shining example of what desperation for power does to you.

His desire to become the PM has finished him - he is a shell of a who once was. The Imran Khan who gave hope to the nation died five years ago.

Ignore your bughaz for a while and watch the video clip an d let me know if it really looks like a sajida to you? Is that the way sajida you have been doing sajida all your life?

Plus someone like you who is close to atheism shouldn't be lecturing the religious folks like a wahabi mullah.
 
Ignore your bughaz for a while and watch the video clip an d let me know if it really looks like a sajida to you? Is that the way sajida you have been doing sajida all your life?

Plus someone like you who is close to atheism shouldn't be lecturing the religious folks like a wahabi mullah.

Please read post #2.
 
Please read post #2.

You have been calling it sajida in your last 5 posts here on PP so you needed him to tell you it was a bossa? you don't have a eyes to watch the video instead of joining the bashing brigade due to your bughaz for him?
 
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Please read post #2.

Your just a hater and a low quality poster. Soemones personal beliefs are none of your business. PMLN supporters forecast a battering in the elections so coming out with irrelevant propaganda.
 
This isn't unusual behaviour and typically people show their respects to the saint in this fashion plus he has his own personal views on religion and I'd have thought you'd be open enough to see that they have nothing to do with the ability to be the next PM for Pakistan. Many extreme salafists and wahabi's interpret the mere visit of a shrine as grave worship and shirk though.

In many cases such people are murdered for such visits in your country, then again tolerance is not common in that part of the world and people are not careful about the things they say when it comes to issues like these.

I don't disagree with your viewpoint, but Pakistan is a not a secular country; it is an Islamic country. To have a head of state who believes in this business sets a very wrong and dangerous precedence.
 
Latest update:

The savior says that it wasn't a sajda but a “bosa” (kiss) out of respect to the saint. I think out of respect and reverence, all insafians should give a "bosa" in prostrate form whenever he graces them with his presence.

He has shown them the way, better follow him now.


Your desperation knows no bounds, a few weeks ago you were mouthing off at him being barefoot in Medina, and then when it was pointed to you that others had also done it and you quietly disappeared. As the election nears and your dear Nooras run for cover, each and every post of yours reaks of desperation.
 
I don't disagree with your viewpoint, but Pakistan is a not a secular country; it is an Islamic country. To have a head of state who believes in this business sets a very wrong and dangerous precedence.

Wouldn't you say that a majority of Pakistani's have similar religious views, there are Darbar's everywhere and Sufism is very popular. There is a concern regarding the rise of extreme Salafism however, but IK wants your county to be like the UK where religion doesn't define you and everyone is paying tax. Anyhow what is your major concern with his recent visit to the shrine beyond your own personal religious views ?
 
I don't disagree with your viewpoint, but Pakistan is a not a secular country; it is an Islamic country. To have a head of state who believes in this business sets a very wrong and dangerous precedence.

oh wait don't tell me Bibi was never our head of state and Nawaz wasn't 3 times PM.

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Your just a hater and a low quality poster. Soemones personal beliefs are none of your business. PMLN supporters forecast a battering in the elections so coming out with irrelevant propaganda.

You can call me what you want, but I am not comfortable with the idea of having a PM of Pakistan that believes in this jahalat. However, I am not surprised to see people defending him. After all, cult members do what cult members do - it has reached a point where Imran can kill a person in broad daylight and people will defend him.

Our friend [MENTION=145403]Extra_Cover[/MENTION] was asserting that Imran is a great representative of Pakistan on international forums. I wonder what the members of the international forums would think of Imran if they see this video clip.
 
Your desperation knows no bounds, a few weeks ago you were mouthing off at him being barefoot in Medina, and then when it was pointed to you that others had also done it and you quietly disappeared. As the election nears and your dear Nooras run for cover, each and every post of yours reaks of desperation.

Mamoon should go and do astaghfar for issuing shirk ka fatwa without any authority on someone without even knowing what happened. We blame mullahs all the time but these educated folks can be worse than mullah when bughaz fill their mind and heart.
 
You can call me what you want, but I am not comfortable with the idea of having a PM of Pakistan that believes in this jahalat. However, I am not surprised to see people defending him. After all, cult members do what cult members do - it has reached a point where Imran can kill a person in broad daylight and people will defend him.

Our friend [MENTION=145403]Extra_Cover[/MENTION] was asserting that Imran is a great representative of Pakistan on international forums. I wonder what the members of the international forums would think of Imran if they see this video clip.

You mean like you do with Showbiz!!!!!!
 
Mamoon should go and do astaghfar for issuing shirk ka fatwa without any authority on someone without even knowing what happened. We blame mullahs all the time but these educated folks can be worse than mullah when bughaz fill their mind and heart.

I swear ever since his humiliation over the saplings his posts seems have got more and more desperate.
 
Wouldn't you say that a majority of Pakistani's have similar religious views, there are Darbar's everywhere and Sufism is very popular. There is a concern regarding the rise of extreme Salafism however, but IK wants your county to be like the UK where religion doesn't define you and everyone is paying tax. Anyhow what is your major concern with his recent visit to the shrine beyond your own personal religious views ?

IK sits with Tariq Jameel, He goes to Madni Bralevi bhais, He himself follow Sufism, He talk about the rights of minorities and don't tell them or any other how to live their life but let's forget all that and target his faith.

IK is Yahoodi Agent
IK is Liberal and West ka Agent
IK is Taliban Supporter
IK is doing following Sufi and Biddats

How on earth you can be everything lol?
 
You can call me what you want, but I am not comfortable with the idea of having a PM of Pakistan that believes in this jahalat. However, I am not surprised to see people defending him. After all, cult members do what cult members do - it has reached a point where Imran can kill a person in broad daylight and people will defend him.

Our friend [MENTION=145403]Extra_Cover[/MENTION] was asserting that Imran is a great representative of Pakistan on international forums. I wonder what the members of the international forums would think of Imran if they see this video clip.

You can see modi going to various religious events evening bowing to some religious leaders but no one says anything. Your argument is not even holding any weight. Do you see people ridiculing modi?
 
Some of these imran khan hate is irrational especially coming from the left side. I thought you guys were liberal? I guess you choose when to be when it's convenient for you.
 
You can see modi going to various religious events evening bowing to some religious leaders but no one says anything. Your argument is not even holding any weight. Do you see people ridiculing modi?

Bilawal went to a mandir and participate in hindu's way of offering prayer to Lord shiva maybe Mamoon think he is kaafir too?

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Some of these imran khan hate is irrational especially coming from the left side. I thought you guys were liberal? I guess you choose when to be when it's convenient for you.

Most of Pakistani liberals switch sides and can become even mullahs if it suits their agenda.
 
I am not into Shrines but i say each to their own. Its seems that Nooras are trying resurrect the peerni controversy, but alas nothing seems to be working.
 
Bilawal went to a mandir and participate in hindu's way of offering prayer to Lord shiva maybe Mamoon think he is kaafir too?

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No those things are ok, Billo showing respect to Hindus shows him as Liberal, but just imagine if IK did this?
 
He is NOT doing Sajda in that video, anyone that thinks he needs to either get their eyes checked or have a personal agenda against him.
 
No those things are ok, Billo showing respect to Hindus shows him as Liberal, but just imagine if IK did this?

The sad thing is all this nonsense has nothing to do with the betterment of the country. Be critical of things that matter instead of throwing mud and hoping something sticks.
 
The sad thing is all this nonsense has nothing to do with the betterment of the country. Be critical of things that matter instead of throwing mud and hoping something sticks.

And their freaking views are based on assumptions and IFS and BUTS and ayse jkerdega and wese kerdega like they can predict the future.
 
This is sad, really sad and I don't mean the visit to shrine by Imran but I'm pointing to the keyboard warriors/twitter experts behavior.

What Imran did has nothing to do with politics and would not impact any average Pakistani's life. But the sad part is that people are still debating this to the point that it has got international coverage.

Yes, Imran may be more superstitious now than ever before but does this mean that he would do worse than his competition? People are making news out of something that is not even a news (as by definition this clip does not affect Pakistan or its people so it shouldn't be news at all).

I can see people debating the video and trying to prove that he is desperate but where are these people when the time comes to debate actual/real problems faced by Pakistani people.

On one hand I see Imran kneeling at a shrine on other hand I see Nawaz not being able to justify his properties in London, have borrowed billions of Rupees and God knows where all that money went, I see PMLN extending our trade deficit position while our neighbouring countries positions have improved. I see thousands of people die on a monthly basis due to unclean water, unhygiene conditions, severely poor diet, etc.

Are the people here opposing Imran wants the country to run in the same manner as which it has been running for the past 10 years? Do they see consistent economic performance from PMLN in the next 5 years or will they outdo themselves this time around?
 
Imran's Dog

Imran's Wife

Imran's ex Wife

Imran's Friends

Imran's Neighbors

Imran's Food

Imran's Dress

Imran's visit to shrine

Imran's chapal

The truth is IK is a brand name and it sells!
 
One lesson I learned from Khizer a.s. and Musa a.s. meeting narrated in Quran
"Judgement of character is not a right of Human beings".

Yes we can debate over acts of others but it's beyond our authorities to judge characters.

Admittedly, this doesn't appear to be a Sajda.
 
Only if he was Imran Khan.

I remember Maryam Nawaz going to a church recently where prayers were offered for her mother and she used church platform for her political speech to gain votes. Later church team had to apologize to all christian community of Pak for allowing her to use church platform for political motives.

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Our country is stuck between extremist liberals and extremist conservatives. There is no middle ground.
 
Our country is stuck between extremist liberals and extremist conservatives. There is no middle ground.

Extremist liberals are not arming terrorists or blowing themselves up. At the most, they're sharing their views on social media. Do you think the 'patriots' can keep supporting terrorists while ruining our homeland and liberals won't even go to their own extremes?
 
Our country is stuck between extremist liberals and extremist conservatives. There is no middle ground.

Completely agree with you we are stuck between these 2 extremes and majority of Pakistan doesn't even belong to any of these categories.
 
Extremist liberals are not arming terrorists or blowing themselves up. At the most, they're sharing their views on social media. Do you think the 'patriots' can keep supporting terrorists while ruining our homeland and liberals won't even go to their own extremes?

Mindset is the same. Extremist so called liberals do not have the power yet and are in minority so they cannot do jack apart from spouting venom through keyboards.

Supporting terrorists bit can be debated.
 
Mindset is the same. Extremist so called liberals do not have the power yet and are in minority so they cannot do jack apart from spouting venom through keyboards.

Supporting terrorists bit can be debated.

There are no liberal suicide bombers. Liberals put more value on their lives and rightly so. I would argue that it is the existence of conservative extremists that force liberals to take extremist views.
 
Completely agree with you we are stuck between these 2 extremes and majority of Pakistan doesn't even belong to any of these categories.

Exactly, our liberal extremists hate Imran because of his inclination towards religion and spirtuality. Our conservatives hate him because he not Islami enough for them.
 
Exactly, our liberal extremists hate Imran because of his inclination towards religion and spirtuality. Our conservatives hate him because he not Islami enough for them.

Taliban Khan for one category and Yahoodi agent for other category tells you a lot about the views of both these categories.
 
There are no liberal suicide bombers. Liberals put more value on their lives and rightly so. I would argue that it is the existence of conservative extremists that force liberals to take extremist views.

The extremist western liberals do not need suicide bombers, they kill hundreds with a press of a button while playing playstation at home. Pakistani liberal extremists are not strong enough yet to do such things. I would argue that extremist liberals force these nutjobs to blow themselves.

Key thing here is extremist mindset. Liberal or conservative are irrelevant terms with that kind of mindset.
 
The extremist western liberals do not need suicide bombers, they kill hundreds with a press of a button while playing playstation at home. Pakistani liberal extremists are not strong enough yet to do such things. I would argue that extremist liberals force these nutjobs to blow themselves.

Key thing here is extremist mindset. Liberal or conservative are irrelevant terms with that kind of mindset.

Bro, conservatives are in power who press buttons and kill hundreds and thousands. They're not liberals, nor do they claim to be. Everyone has the power to be a suicide bomber, but the Pakistani liberals have chosen their voice instead of bombs and weapons.
 
Bro, conservatives are in power who press buttons and kill hundreds and thousands. They're not liberals, nor do they claim to be. Everyone has the power to be a suicide bomber, but the Pakistani liberals have chosen their voice instead of bombs and weapons.

Bro everyone in power in west(including Europe/NATO) is a conservative ? Every soldier that is killing thousands in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia is conservative ? No they are extremists just as the ones who blow themselves up to kill innocents and they should be called as such.
 
Bro everyone in power in west(including Europe/NATO) is a conservative ? Every soldier that is killing thousands in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia is conservative ? No they are extremists just as the ones who blow themselves up to kill innocents and they should be called as such.

It's a sad reality that Israel and the zionist lobby are too powerful and their influence is only increasing. I hope you won't ask for any proof when I say that they are behind all the unrest in the middle-east. Conservative extremists in Pakistan are those for example who smash vehicles and property in our own country when someone in USA creates a cartoon. They have no brains, and have no comparison with liberals whatsoever.
 
You can call me what you want, but I am not comfortable with the idea of having a PM of Pakistan that believes in this jahalat. However, I am not surprised to see people defending him. After all, cult members do what cult members do - it has reached a point where Imran can kill a person in broad daylight and people will defend him.

Our friend [MENTION=145403]Extra_Cover[/MENTION] was asserting that Imran is a great representative of Pakistan on international forums. I wonder what the members of the international forums would think of Imran if they see this video clip.

You'd prefer someone who loots the backside out of your country instead?
 
It's a sad reality that Israel and the zionist lobby are too powerful and their influence is only increasing. I hope you won't ask for any proof when I say that they are behind all the unrest in the middle-east. Conservative extremists in Pakistan are those for example who smash vehicles and property in our own country when someone in USA creates a cartoon. They have no brains, and have no comparison with liberals whatsoever.

It is not only the zionist lobby, there are other factors as well behind the unrest in middle east such as oil, other resources etc. Just as you do not want to call them liberals, I do not want to call all those who are blowing themselves as conservatives. I am sure that the type of people who you are referring to as conservatives do not even know what conservatism means.

My point is that it does not matter that a person categorizes himself in which group, what matters is his mentality and his actions .
 
His beliefs are non of anyone’s business and should have nothing to do with his political aspirations or how his politics is viewed
 
What is a barelvi? Why are we so obsessed with religion that we know of such minute meaningless details? We are all muslims and we need to work together against extremism.
 
Whats the issue majority in Pakistan are Barelvi or Sufi and going to the graves of awliya n saints to make dua is common practice. These saints are part of the rich history of south asian islam no matter what some might say. Blindly followin pirs n babas is a different matter n being their mureeds is a different matter.
 
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[MENTION=56331]venomousx[/MENTION] barelvis are followers of Syed Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi 19th century Indian scholar
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I never claimed i was an angel all my life but the fact is that i have changed myself from the kind of person that i was 22 years ago <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IKonDunyaTV?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IKonDunyaTV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AbSirfImranKhanBallayPeNishan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AbSirfImranKhanBallayPeNishan</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1012360918158757888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Why are people so bothered about how other people practice their religion? Unless what he’s doing is having a damaging effect on society as a whole then he can do whatever the hell he likes. He’s a political leader for Pete’s sake, not a religious one.
 
Why are people so bothered about how other people practice their religion? Unless what he’s doing is having a damaging effect on society as a whole then he can do whatever the hell he likes. He’s a political leader for Pete’s sake, not a religious one.

Because they are struggling to find anything against him other than his marriage, his wife, his dog, his ex wife, his personal life etc
 
Why are people so bothered about how other people practice their religion? Unless what he’s doing is having a damaging effect on society as a whole then he can do whatever the hell he likes. He’s a political leader for Pete’s sake, not a religious one.

because suddenly when it suits them, we have experts from religion and mind-reading appear out of nowhere.
 
So far, we have seen the following justifications for Imran's extreme jahaalat in this thread:

- it was a bosa and not a sajda

- Sharifs and Bhuttos also believed in pir murshid

- it is his personal life

To shed some light on the bosa vs sajda debate, here is another video which I think clearly shows that he is doing a sajda:

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I respect the passion with which Insaafiyans and Junoonis defend their savior, but we need to look at it from a different perspective as well. The main issue that so many people have with what Imran is doing is because it represents his desperation for power, and how low he will steep for it.

The Sharifs and Bhuttos have traditionally visited mazaars, it has been a family affair for them. On the other hand, Imran was nothing like what he is today, and his evolution into a man who believes in mystics and superstitions is the outcome of using any means necessary to reach your goal.

It started out with Imran taking U-turns and walking back on his manifesto, he then proceeded to sympathize with TTP before he finally woke up after APS, he also polished military boots with Kiwi shoe polish, and then he proceeded to redefine the definition of electables.

Of course, the insaafiyans believed in his original definition of electables for years, but now that he has changed the definition, they are ready to go along with it.

Imran: A is right and B is wrong.

Insaafiyans: Jee huzoor

Imran: A is wrong and B is right.

Insaafiyans: Jee huzoor

It is quite disappointing to see that his supporters have lost the ability and the intelligence to think for themselves, and look at things in a objective manner and have some perception. However, that is what happens in a cult.

The followers become nothing more than a herd of sheep. They will go anywhere that the shepherd takes them. I can guarantee 100% that if Imran comes out tomorrow and asserts that this pir murshid is nonsense and has no place in Islam, the insaafiyians would agree with him. This is how ridiculous and I would say dangerous it has become.

It was tolerable as long as Imran was doing what he was doing within the realms of politics. However, now he has reached the depths of insanity. What else do people want to call a man who had a mother of four - the White Priestess - divorced because he thinks she will help him become the PM.

The White Priestess who claimed that the Prophet PBUH paid her a visit in her dreams and told her that if she marries Imran, he will become the PM. What nonsense is this?

He has become paranoid, superstitious and seems to believe in witchcraft now. From marrying a priest to a walking around Jeddah airport without his shoes and kissing and doing sajdas out of respect to dead men?

What next? Is he going to walk on burning coal and drink blood? I wouldn't put it past him because it appears that he will do anything if it will help him gain power. It is simply not an issue of his personal life anymore because he is simply not in the right frame of mind at the moment.

I think he needs therapy, he is mentally unstable and the quest to win the elections has had an impact on his sanity. He needs to wake up and realize what he is doing to himself, he is walking on a very dangerous path, a path that has no end - extremism never leads to good things, and he is becoming an extremist.

On a side note, people are surfacing pictures of Bilawal participating in Hindu rituals. Well I think that is wonderful - Pakistan is one of the worst countries in the world when it comes to treatment of religious minorities, and such gestures would go a long way in promoting interfaith harmony and making the minorities feel like they are Pakistanis and belong in this country.

Admittedly, this is an alien concept for our people who are not used to this treatment. They think more along the lines of the goons who shot down a Sikh leader in Peshawar a month ago, simply because he was arranging iftaris and sehris for Muslims in his community.

I would much rather have Imran visit mandirs, gurdwaras and churches and show his support for minorities rather than kiss and bow down to the graves of dead saints with the White Priestess.
 
So far, we have seen the following justifications for Imran's extreme jahaalat in this thread:

- it was a bosa and not a sajda

- Sharifs and Bhuttos also believed in pir murshid

- it is his personal life

To shed some light on the bosa vs sajda debate, here is another video which I think clearly shows that he is doing a sajda:

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I respect the passion with which Insaafiyans and Junoonis defend their savior, but we need to look at it from a different perspective as well. The main issue that so many people have with what Imran is doing is because it represents his desperation for power, and how low he will steep for it.

The Sharifs and Bhuttos have traditionally visited mazaars, it has been a family affair for them. On the other hand, Imran was nothing like what he is today, and his evolution into a man who believes in mystics and superstitions is the outcome of using any means necessary to reach your goal.

It started out with Imran taking U-turns and walking back on his manifesto, he then proceeded to sympathize with TTP before he finally woke up after APS, he also polished military boots with Kiwi shoe polish, and then he proceeded to redefine the definition of electables.

Of course, the insaafiyans believed in his original definition of electables for years, but now that he has changed the definition, they are ready to go along with it.

Imran: A is right and B is wrong.

Insaafiyans: Jee huzoor

Imran: A is wrong and B is right.

Insaafiyans: Jee huzoor

It is quite disappointing to see that his supporters have lost the ability and the intelligence to think for themselves, and look at things in a objective manner and have some perception. However, that is what happens in a cult.

The followers become nothing more than a herd of sheep. They will go anywhere that the shepherd takes them. I can guarantee 100% that if Imran comes out tomorrow and asserts that this pir murshid is nonsense and has no place in Islam, the insaafiyians would agree with him. This is how ridiculous and I would say dangerous it has become.

It was tolerable as long as Imran was doing what he was doing within the realms of politics. However, now he has reached the depths of insanity. What else do people want to call a man who had a mother of four - the White Priestess - divorced because he thinks she will help him become the PM.

The White Priestess who claimed that the Prophet PBUH paid her a visit in her dreams and told her that if she marries Imran, he will become the PM. What nonsense is this?

He has become paranoid, superstitious and seems to believe in witchcraft now. From marrying a priest to a walking around Jeddah airport without his shoes and kissing and doing sajdas out of respect to dead men?

What next? Is he going to walk on burning coal and drink blood? I wouldn't put it past him because it appears that he will do anything if it will help him gain power. It is simply not an issue of his personal life anymore because he is simply not in the right frame of mind at the moment.

I think he needs therapy, he is mentally unstable and the quest to win the elections has had an impact on his sanity. He needs to wake up and realize what he is doing to himself, he is walking on a very dangerous path, a path that has no end - extremism never leads to good things, and he is becoming an extremist.

On a side note, people are surfacing pictures of Bilawal participating in Hindu rituals. Well I think that is wonderful - Pakistan is one of the worst countries in the world when it comes to treatment of religious minorities, and such gestures would go a long way in promoting interfaith harmony and making the minorities feel like they are Pakistanis and belong in this country.

Admittedly, this is an alien concept for our people who are not used to this treatment. They think more along the lines of the goons who shot down a Sikh leader in Peshawar a month ago, simply because he was arranging iftaris and sehris for Muslims in his community.

I would much rather have Imran visit mandirs, gurdwaras and churches and show his support for minorities rather than kiss and bow down to the graves of dead saints with the White Priestess.

Remove your bughaz wali glasses and watch the video fro mall angles and let me know ho can you perform sajda on stairs. Be logical human your hate is making you blind
 
Congratulation to Saudis, all anti-Imran Khan people converted to Wahabism today. If N-league wins again , will destroy all the shrines and corruption will be declared a national pastime .
 
This kind of things becomes a discussion topic if country's economy is bad , high jobless rate and people have to0 much time on their disposal.
 
Remove your bughaz wali glasses and watch the video fro mall angles and let me know ho can you perform sajda on stairs. Be logical human your hate is making you blind

First person I've seen complete a 'sajda' with his left knee above the ground :yk
 
He clearly bowed down before the grave to kiss but not in a way one does sajda in Islam.
In what manner would you kiss on floor other than this ? I think it is probably laying down completely first and then kissing the floor.
It comes down to what his intention was and we cant know it.
So for those who are so confirmed about his intention should pray that Allah taala may guide him to right path.
One must not interpret deen just to gain political advantage.
 
First person I've seen complete a 'sajda' with his left knee above the ground :yk

Anyone who thinks this is how you perform a sajda than i am afraid he have been doing sajda wrong way his whole life.
 
I'm extremely confused.
I thought that PMLN, PPP supporters were supposed to be part of the liberal brigade?
So if you are a liberal then why does it matter what IK did? Sajda or no sajda, how is this even relevant, especially to those who espouse liberalism.

On the one hand you have arguments that rule of law should be above religion and then you suddenly get those that labeled him Taliban Khan stating he is not fit to lead a "Muslim Country".

The desperation was already high but it seems to be getting to new levels now.

To those, I can assure you, 100%, that even if IK loses the election there will be people coming after the corrupt (from politicians, right down to businessmen and everyday workers). This is not going to go away, so don't think these sleepless nights are temporary and will be over once the poor people have voted.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] [MENTION=101697]LegendInzi[/MENTION]


If through the shoulders of Khaakis Political wing with the " dry cleaned electables " through Gate Number 4 laundry Imran Khan reached PM house than the Mohra " stooge " has to bow down to his " Lords " (anti democrat khalaee makhlooq).


If He does not and tries to stand up for civilian supremacy, justice, accountability of " All " ie Army, Politicians, Bureaucracy and Judiaciary at the same time than watch out. Imran Khan will forget Memogate, Dawn Leaks & Khatm e Nabooat. He will be made into a bigger Ghaddar than Benazir, Nawaz, Fazal ur Rehman, Altaf Hussain & Achakzai. Pen it down.


Already look at what Khaakis Aly's Zaid Hamid etc are saying. Watch Zaid Hamid's yesterday's opinion on channel 7, which tells about Khaakis Mindset.


Now Chacha Shakoor has turned the table aswell. This guy used to break inside news on panama etc investigation, maryum nawaz sharif calls etc. Things which only agencies know. He was used as Shahid masood, mubashar luqman, sabir shakir, amir liaqat, sami ibrahim, arif hameed bhatti etc on facebook, youtube etc.


But despite all religious and political differences with Chacha Shakoor here he has crushed Imran Khan's slaves (18-25 mostly). And and religious wise on this I am with Chacha Shakoor.


Must watch these two videos on YT :-)
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] [MENTION=101697]LegendInzi[/MENTION]


If through the shoulders of Khaakis Political wing with the " dry cleaned electables " through Gate Number 4 laundry Imran Khan reached PM house than the Mohra " stooge " has to bow down to his " Lords " (anti democrat khalaee makhlooq).


If He does not and tries to stand up for civilian supremacy, justice, accountability of " All " ie Army, Politicians, Bureaucracy and Judiaciary at the same time than watch out. Imran Khan will forget Memogate, Dawn Leaks & Khatm e Nabooat. He will be made into a bigger Ghaddar than Benazir, Nawaz, Fazal ur Rehman, Altaf Hussain & Achakzai. Pen it down.


Already look at what Khaakis Aly's Zaid Hamid etc are saying. Watch Zaid Hamid's yesterday's opinion on channel 7, which tells about Khaakis Mindset.


Now Chacha Shakoor has turned the table aswell. This guy used to break inside news on panama etc investigation, maryum nawaz sharif calls etc. Things which only agencies know. He was used as Shahid masood, mubashar luqman, sabir shakir, amir liaqat, sami ibrahim, arif hameed bhatti etc on facebook, youtube etc.


But despite all religious and political differences with Chacha Shakoor here he has crushed Imran Khan's slaves (18-25 mostly). And and religious wise on this I am with Chacha Shakoor.


Must watch these two videos on YT :-)

Why dont actually answer the questions on the theft by you crooks, if we challenge you on your u TURN ON IK and Khatam e Nabuwat, then you run away.
 
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What is a barelvi? Why are we so obsessed with religion that we know of such minute meaningless details? We are all muslims and we need to work together against extremism.
Best post in this thread. We are all muslims regardless of denomination. Whether you are Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi, Barelwi, Deobandi, Ahle Hadith, Ahle Sunnat etc should be irrelevant as we are human beings and Pakistanis first and foremost.

We need to put individual religious beliefs aside and work together to bridge our differences and build a fairer and more tolerant society.

I don't care where Imran does sajda or doesn't do sajda. It is entirely his personal matter.

The fact that this topic has more discussion than Ludhianwi being removed from fourth schedule says it all.
 
Sounds like a mountain out of a molehill.
 
Remove your bughaz wali glasses and watch the video fro mall angles and let me know ho can you perform sajda on stairs. Be logical human your hate is making you blind

It looks like a sajda to me in the video that I posted, but regardless of whether it is a sajda or a bosa, it doesn’t make a difference, we are talking about ideologies here.
 
It looks like a sajda to me in the video that I posted, but regardless of whether it is a sajda or a bosa, it doesn’t make a difference, we are talking about ideologies here.

It looks like a sajda because you want it to look like one. I find your bigotry offensive, and its sad that in your desperation to take revenge after the humiliation of the saplings, you will clutch at any straw.
 
It looks like a sajda to me in the video that I posted, but regardless of whether it is a sajda or a bosa, it doesn’t make a difference, we are talking about ideologies here.

He is bee visiting pakpattan from years you can check his old pics and he had peers in past too so its not like he changes his views he belongs to bralevi gheraana so if you can allow peers for bibi and Sharifs than give him the benefit too
 
My problem is with his explanation. What is this Boosa Vs Sajda non-sense??

He is kissing the floor(a very unhygienic one, that thousands of people step over it with their dirty feet, they did it after Boosa Ceremony) with lips...This is a step up from Sajda not down, more like Shirk++ ;-)

Not that I care about God or Shirk, but please don't come up with this type of ** :acp

He is desperate much like BiBe back in 90s. He is following the foot step of BiBe... Making deal with Devil(Army), welcome Lotas aka Electable, going to Dargas(despite being not religious at all)...
 
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Is this issue worth even discussing ? Some people need to set their priorities right big time.
 
Media was too busy with Imran's religious affairs they forgot PMLN president was begging was a NRO with Establishment just imagine if Imran had asked this!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">خلائی مخلوق کا کوئی وجود نہیں، ہمیں آرمی کے جرنیلوں کے ساتھ بیٹھ کر نیا معاہدہ کرنا ہوگا، شہباز شریف آرمی سے NRO کی بھیک مانگتے ہوئے<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMLNExposed?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMLNExposed</a> <a href="https://t.co/LXY2kfzU52">pic.twitter.com/LXY2kfzU52</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1013002332500570112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Staying entirely on topic, Pakistan is an Islamic state and therefore, actions that take either verge on taking someone out of the fold of Islam or do so entirely must be scrutinised, ESPECIALLY if that person is aiming to be leader and uphold the values of the nation.

Having said that, the constant visits by other politicians and such shrines should also be investigated, should they not?
 
Media was too busy with Imran's religious affairs they forgot PMLN president was begging was a NRO with Establishment just imagine if Imran had asked this!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">خلائی مخلوق کا کوئی وجود نہیں، ہمیں آرمی کے جرنیلوں کے ساتھ بیٹھ کر نیا معاہدہ کرنا ہوگا، شہباز شریف آرمی سے NRO کی بھیک مانگتے ہوئے<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMLNExposed?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMLNExposed</a> <a href="https://t.co/LXY2kfzU52">pic.twitter.com/LXY2kfzU52</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1013002332500570112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When I talk of institutional harmony, I do not do so to appease anyone. My point is that progress & long-term stability of any nation lies in respecting its institutions. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SSonGeo?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SSonGeo</a></p>— Shehbaz Sharif (@CMShehbaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz/status/1013111639619653632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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As the day approaches, Nooras really are getting more desperate.
 
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