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[Video] Indian Comedian Munawar Faruqui Beaten Up, Arrested For Mocking Hindu Deities

Read the article again. She wasn't arrested for mocking the holocaust, she was convicted for using white supremacist symbols that mock Jewish people aka antisemitism. The UK has hate speeh laws.

Ladies and gentlemen, read the above. The poster uses the term 'mock' and torpeados his own point.

On top of this, he admits the person was convicted for MOCKING Jewish people. So much for free speech. Where's the comedian now?

Don't feed these Hindutva RSS trolls.
 
What’s offensive for you may not be offensive for someone else. Who are we to decide what comedians can joke about.

There’s way too many snowflakes in this day and age.

The real delicate snowflakes are those that think its appropriate to mock religious figures and can't understand why they aren't allowed to get away with it.

This is a disease inherited from the west where mocking religion is a sign of 'progressiveness' and if you take offence then you are backwards.
 
The real delicate snowflakes are those that think its appropriate to mock religious figures and can't understand why they aren't allowed to get away with it.

This is a disease inherited from the west where mocking religion is a sign of 'progressiveness' and if you take offence then you are backwards.

mocking religions is no sign of progressiveness, and taking offense is not backwards, however assuming that your taking offence should be any one else's other than your concern is a sign of misplaced entitlement.

if anything the policing of infliction of offense is perhaps the most obvious sign of the politics of the times, so i guess in a strange way, it is somewhat the opposite of what you say, and the policing of offense caused is considered progressive, especially in the west.
 
Making offensive statements against any religion is punishable in India under IPC 295A.

This guy did it thinking he is immune to the law or probably thought he would play the religion card and get away.
 
So, will the Indian team be arrested when they land back into India as they ate beef in Australia, and it must have "hurt the feelings" of many Hindus?
 
mocking religions is no sign of progressiveness, and taking offense is not backwards, however assuming that your taking offence should be any one else's other than your concern is a sign of misplaced entitlement.

if anything the policing of infliction of offense is perhaps the most obvious sign of the politics of the times, so i guess in a strange way, it is somewhat the opposite of what you say, and the policing of offense caused is considered progressive, especially in the west.

You could argue that in highly religious countries like India that the taking offence isnt at individual level but rather is something that effects millions of people. Given the amount of people likely to be offended and the potential implications I think its a bit more than misplaced entitlement.

Policing of offence seems to be reserved solely for modern liberal issues. You will rarely see people speak up when religion is mocked in western liberal societies.
 
He seems like a nice guy, some of his stuff is quite hilarious actually... Its unfortunate the way he was handled, he should not be beaten or thrown in jail for this, should have given him a fine at most. Having said that he should have acted smarter, if he also made a few jokes on Islam also, it would have made him look like a neutral, however he chose to specifically target one religion, not a smart thing to do in India..
 
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You could argue that in highly religious countries like India that the taking offence isnt at individual level but rather is something that effects millions of people.

so you're saying that people don't necessarily feel it individually, but feel it on behalf of others, who may not necessarily be offended in the first place?

Given the amount of people likely to be offended and the potential implications I think its a bit more than misplaced entitlement.

so policing is necessary to avoid mob justice?

Policing of offence seems to be reserved solely for modern liberal issues. You will rarely see people speak up when religion is mocked in western liberal societies.

so the issue isn't that of policing of offense, rather the hypocracy in policing of offense?

so in a hypothetical polarised world, where you could either choose between complete and equal policing of offense (subject to each individuals idea of what has the potential to offend them), or no policiing at all, what would you choose?
 
In an ideal world, everything should be criticized and mocked. Mockery and satire is the best way for making people think about any religion or event.

I am sure you will get banned for mocking any religion on Pak Passion too.
 
‘No video of Munawar Faruqui insulting Hindu deities,’ say police two days after arresting him


Title of the article, does it count or does your highness require a notorized copy of the statement?

It only says that they didn't have evidence. They didn't pass judgement that he didn't do it.

It was your own wrong interpretation. No where did the police said what you claimed

police claims he didn't insult Hindu deities.

Btw the cop was talking about video during this particular performance, pathetic media made it sound like they are talking about his entire career. And your highness made it sound like just because the police doesn't have evidence, they have passed the judgement of guilty or innocent.
 
Seems about normal, what would you expect to happen if you insult the religious sentiment of a people who are the majority of a religious, third world, non-secular country?
 
This forum is so predictable sometimes.

Some Pakistanis on here using this incident to get one up on India by saying they're an extremist country while completely ignoring their own bigotry. They're more upset about this Indian man getting arrested than Charlie Hebdo getting attacked or their own countrymen getting arrested using the irrational man-made blasphemy law.

Indians on the other hand instead of acknowledging the injustice either get defensive or double down on this. The same Indians who will accuse Muslims/Pakistanis of being intolerant because of religion will defend this incident. If not they will deflect by saying "yea what about...".

Everyone needs to just chill out sometimes instead of the fake outrage to get one up on each other.
 
No video of Munawar Faruqui insulting Hindu deities,’ say police two days after arresting him

Kamlesh Sharma, the town inspector of Tukaganj Police Station, told the newspaper that the video submitted by the complainant showed another comedian making jokes about the deity Ganesh. “There’s no evidence against him [Faruqui] for insulting Hindu deities or Union Minister Amit Shah,” Sharma said.

https://scroll.in/latest/983044/no-...ities-say-police-two-days-after-arresting-him

So turns out he was beaten up and arrested for no reason. I guess just his name would be enough for some to justify the beating and the arrest though.
 
BTW why was mocking Amit shah part of the charges? Is it a crime in India to mock politicians? Politicians are routinely mocked and parodied in Pakistan without any sort of issues.
 
No video of Munawar Faruqui insulting Hindu deities,’ say police two days after arresting him



https://scroll.in/latest/983044/no-...ities-say-police-two-days-after-arresting-him

So turns out he was beaten up and arrested for no reason. I guess just his name would be enough for some to justify the beating and the arrest though.

misleading headline. Police have got the evidence. This statement was for the particular show.

police does not pass judgement, their job is to investigate and gather evidence.
 
misleading headline. Police have got the evidence. This statement was for the particular show.

police does not pass judgement, their job is to investigate and gather evidence.

Can you provide the part of the article or any source that says the police has evidence against him? Couldn’t find anything in the article I posted.
 
Can you provide the part of the article or any source that says the police has evidence against him? Couldn’t find anything in the article I posted.

I don't gather information from articles when it comes to cops. I talk directly with them. You can ignore it.

What is your take when someone mocks holy figures, do you support it?
 
Never a good idea to mock religious figures in places like India and Pakistan, the comedian in question must be fairly brain dead to do so...

I tried listening to his routine but sadly I can't tolerate that accent for longer than a few seconds :sigh:
 
Looks like 5 people have been arrested, still in jail. MP rivalling UP now.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Munawar Faruqui's bail has been presented today, and will be heard tomorrow. Next update only by 5PM or 6PM tomorrow.<br><br>So, tonight will be the 4th night in a row that these five would spend in prison: Prakhar Vyas, Priyam Vyas, Nalin Yadav, Edwin Anthony, and Munawar Faruqui.</p>— Hussain Haidry (@hussainhaidry) <a href="https://twitter.com/hussainhaidry/status/1346134684514746370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Can you imagine a Hindu or Christian even dare making fun of Muslim prophet or Muslim god in Pakistan. He wouldn’t even live longer than a day. This guy keeps making fun of Hindu gods again and again in his videos. Not sure it’s a good idea in india.

I am personally ok with him doing whatever he wane or make fun of my religion, not sure if other Indians would think the same way specially if it is coming from a Muslim.
 
Can you imagine a Hindu or Christian even dare making fun of Muslim prophet or Muslim god in Pakistan. He wouldn’t even live longer than a day. This guy keeps making fun of Hindu gods again and again in his videos. Not sure it’s a good idea in india.

I am personally ok with him doing whatever he wane or make fun of my religion, not sure if other Indians would think the same way specially if it is coming from a Muslim.

A non hindu should be let off with a slap on the wrists. But the hindus who were enjoying those disgusting jokes should be dealt with firmly, and get at least a year in jail. For they are the traitors of our religion.
 
Can you imagine a Hindu or Christian even dare making fun of Muslim prophet or Muslim god in Pakistan. He wouldn’t even live longer than a day. This guy keeps making fun of Hindu gods again and again in his videos. Not sure it’s a good idea in india.

I am personally ok with him doing whatever he wane or make fun of my religion, not sure if other Indians would think the same way specially if it is coming from a Muslim.


Pakistan isn’t a secular country and has laws in place to prosecute such behavior. So when it happens in Pakistan

If india wants to officially let go of its secular claims and brings similar laws then people won’t point out these issues as much when they happen. India’s problem is that it wants to have the cake and wants to eat it too. It doesn’t work that way.
 
Can you imagine a Hindu or Christian even dare making fun of Muslim prophet or Muslim god in Pakistan. He wouldn’t even live longer than a day. This guy keeps making fun of Hindu gods again and again in his videos. Not sure it’s a good idea in india.

I am personally ok with him doing whatever he wane or make fun of my religion, not sure if other Indians would think the same way specially if it is coming from a Muslim.

Is there any proof that he made fun of Hindus gods?

The police said that the evidence the accuser submitted had another comedian making the joke not him.

https://scroll.in/latest/983044/no-...ities-say-police-two-days-after-arresting-him
 
Pakistan isn’t a secular country and has laws in place to prosecute such behavior. So when it happens in Pakistan

If india wants to officially let go of its secular claims and brings similar laws then people won’t point out these issues as much when they happen. India’s problem is that it wants to have the cake and wants to eat it too. It doesn’t work that way.

They already have laws against insulting religion.

Section 295A

295A. Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage religious feelings or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs.— Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of citizens of India, by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise, insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.

https://cis-india.org/internet-gove...e and malicious,class, shall be punished with
 
Can you imagine a Hindu or Christian even dare making fun of Muslim prophet or Muslim god in Pakistan. He wouldn’t even live longer than a day. This guy keeps making fun of Hindu gods again and again in his videos. Not sure it’s a good idea in india.

I am personally ok with him doing whatever he wane or make fun of my religion, not sure if other Indians would think the same way specially if it is coming from a Muslim.

Any video you have seen where he is mocking Hindu deities?
 
Pakistan isn’t a secular country and has laws in place to prosecute such behavior. So when it happens in Pakistan

If india wants to officially let go of its secular claims and brings similar laws then people won’t point out these issues as much when they happen. India’s problem is that it wants to have the cake and wants to eat it too. It doesn’t work that way.

India wanted to copy the west (after all their entire constitution is a big copy paste job). But instead of the western secularism, where church doesnt dictate the state, indians thought that secularism means a hindu offering namaz and a muslim playing the role of Lord Krishna in a drama. Lot of indians have been brought up by this notion of secularism (that is why i call them sickulars).

Pakistan is right about protecting the dignity of its religion. Forget minorities, not even majority will dare to insult Islam in Pakistan. And here in india, we have both hindus (the main problem) and muslims (minor problem) daring to insult the majority religion without any fear of repercussions. It is these hindus who mock hinduism, who need to be fixed first. Others are minors and will fall in line when it happens.
 
Any video you have seen where he is mocking Hindu deities?

I have seen but don't want to share it as it is painful for me. You can search yourself, or some of these secular hindu posters can provide who enjoy insulting my religion.
 
From what i have seen so far, these have been the Hindu responses:

What did he do?
Ans)He insulted our deities.

Isnt there freedom of speech in India?
Ans) Yes but he never insults his own religion

There are videos of him insulting muslims also.
Ans) No no no, but he doesnt insult them badly enough. He insults them mildly compared to us.

So your problem is that he isnt insulting his own religion equally?
Ans) He will be beheaded if he does it. At least hindus didnt behead him. Look at charlie hebdo.

But Hindus supported Charlie hebdo's freedom to insult.
Ans) He cannot insult our dieties

Police says there is no evidence of him insulting Hindu deities
Ans) what will muslims do if someone insults their Prophet?

...
 
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From what i have seen so far, these have been the Hindu responses:

What did he do?
Ans)He insulted our deities.

Isnt there freedom of speech in India?
Ans) Yes but he never insults his own religion

There are videos of him insulting muslims also.
Ans) No no no, but he doesnt insult them badly enough. He insults them mildly compared to us.

So your problem is that he isnt insulting his own religion equally?
Ans) He will be beheaded if he does it. At least hindus didnt behead him. Look at charlie hebdo.

But Hindus supported Charlie hebdo's freedom to insult.
Ans) He cannot insult our dieties

Police says there is no evidence of him insulting Hindu deities
Ans) what will muslims do if someone insults their Prophet?

...

You are creating a fictitious hindu ( there may be hindus who match this thought process), but any logical inconsistency or hypocrisy is merely a distraction and an attempt to take the focus away from the issue of someone (whatever his religion) is mocking what is holy to us. But instead of showing sympathy and condemning religiously insensitive comments you want to use the examples of some hypocrite or less articulate hindus to trivialize the matter.
 
From what i have seen so far, these have been the Hindu responses:

What did he do?
Ans)He insulted our deities.

Isnt there freedom of speech in India?
Ans) Yes but he never insults his own religion

There are videos of him insulting muslims also.
Ans) No no no, but he doesnt insult them badly enough. He insults them mildly compared to us.

So your problem is that he isnt insulting his own religion equally?
Ans) He will be beheaded if he does it. At least hindus didnt behead him. Look at charlie hebdo.

But Hindus supported Charlie hebdo's freedom to insult.
Ans) He cannot insult our dieties

Police says there is no evidence of him insulting Hindu deities
Ans) what will muslims do if someone insults their Prophet?

...

PP is a platform where you can't insult Islamic figures but hindu deities are criticized time to time.

In an institution, the platform decides what is OK inside legality and by posting here, you'll have to abide by it.

If anyone have objection, they can communicate towards administrators here. Similarly, if Muslims in India feel offended, they can approach the legal system (if they feel justification didn't occur).

In any system, it itself can minimize any discrimination but that doesn't mean it is guaranteed that anyone will be deal with equality since human are not perfect creature. What yoy can do is, voice against it.
 
PP is a platform where you can't insult Islamic figures but hindu deities are criticized time to time.

In an institution, the platform decides what is OK inside legality and by posting here, you'll have to abide by it.

If anyone have objection, they can communicate towards administrators here. Similarly, if Muslims in India feel offended, they can approach the legal system (if they feel justification didn't occur).

In any system, it itself can minimize any discrimination but that doesn't mean it is guaranteed that anyone will be deal with equality since human are not perfect creature. What yoy can do is, voice against it.

It is not a hindu muslim issue. Most muslims show respect (even if they don't like hinduism) to hindus beliefs and dont go out of their way to insult our Gods. It is an anti hinduism issue. Insulting hinduism has been glamorized and gives you a ticket to liberal class. Ever thought why the slow economic growth during licence socialist raj was called hindu rate of growth? Or why bhakts is use to describe modi toadies? Many hindus grew up thinking it is progressive thought to mock hindu religion, so they adopted it as a way to be progressive, but have instead gone away from their civilizational roots. Without the glue of hindu faith, they are easy pickings for the enemies of our faith. When hinduism is insulted and you protest, the first person who will come to call you intolerant and laugh at your pain will be a so called progressive hindu. Have nothing against Muslims. In fact admire their strong attachment to their faith. It is these "progressive" hindus I am against, who are eating away at our civilization from the inside like termites.
 
Insulting hinduism has been glamorized and gives you a ticket to liberal class. Ever thought why the slow economic growth during licence socialist raj was called hindu rate of growth? Or why bhakts is use to describe modi toadies? Many hindus grew up thinking it is progressive thought to mock hindu religion, so they adopted it as a way to be progressive, but have instead gone away from their civilizational roots. Without the glue of hindu faith, they are easy pickings for the enemies of our faith. When hinduism is insulted and you protest, the first person who will come to call you intolerant and laugh at your pain will be a so called progressive hindu. Have nothing against Muslims. In fact admire their strong attachment to their faith. It is these "progressive" hindus I am against, who are eating away at our civilization from the inside like termites.

You forgot to include The Hindu newspaper.
 
This whole “oh but if he mocked Islam X or Y would have happened to him” excuse is pathetic.
 
There is a TV program called Khabarnak/Khabaryar in Pakistan where a dozen of comedians and the host impersonate and laugh at politicians, opposition parties, police, army, mullahs, foreign celebs etc etc. That includes IK or Zardari or Shareefs etc.

I highly doubt anyone of them will be arrested or beaten in the street by thugs. As a matter of fact they are hilarious and got a solid fan base.


Disclaimer: you will laugh, learn and see what real journalism looks like.

Khabarnak is a third rate, cheap show but they do not mock Islam. Making fun of mullahs is not the same as mocking religion itself.

If they did that, they will not survive for a day.

On topic: this third rate comedian who had to resort to mocking religion to get laughs got what he deserved. He needs to improve his caliber as a comedian.
 
This forum is so predictable sometimes.

Some Pakistanis on here using this incident to get one up on India by saying they're an extremist country while completely ignoring their own bigotry. They're more upset about this Indian man getting arrested than Charlie Hebdo getting attacked or their own countrymen getting arrested using the irrational man-made blasphemy law.

Indians on the other hand instead of acknowledging the injustice either get defensive or double down on this. The same Indians who will accuse Muslims/Pakistanis of being intolerant because of religion will defend this incident. If not they will deflect by saying "yea what about...".

Everyone needs to just chill out sometimes instead of the fake outrage to get one up on each other.

So true. The hypocrisy from section of the so called educated lot across the board in this forum is mind boggling. Surprisingly it's even more with folks who are based out of their respective countries.
 
From what i have seen so far, these have been the Hindu responses:

What did he do?
Ans)He insulted our deities.

Isnt there freedom of speech in India?
Ans) Yes but he never insults his own religion

There are videos of him insulting muslims also.
Ans) No no no, but he doesnt insult them badly enough. He insults them mildly compared to us.

So your problem is that he isnt insulting his own religion equally?
Ans) He will be beheaded if he does it. At least hindus didnt behead him. Look at charlie hebdo.

But Hindus supported Charlie hebdo's freedom to insult.
Ans) He cannot insult our dieties

Police says there is no evidence of him insulting Hindu deities
Ans) what will muslims do if someone insults their Prophet?

...

Insulting Muslims is different from insulting Islam. Munawar Faruqi would not live a day if he insulted Islam.
I agree with posters that everyone should be allowed to mock religion and religious figures. Its the best way to convey a message in a lighter way.
 
Khabarnak is a third rate, cheap show but they do not mock Islam. Making fun of mullahs is not the same as mocking religion itself.

If they did that, they will not survive for a day.

On topic: this third rate comedian who had to resort to mocking religion to get laughs got what he deserved. He needs to improve his caliber as a comedian.

So if he insulted hindu deities in a higher calibre manner - let's say a Charlie Hebdo cartoon displayed prominently in a public space in Delhi - he would be treated with more respect?
 
You are creating a fictitious hindu ( there may be hindus who match this thought process), but any logical inconsistency or hypocrisy is merely a distraction and an attempt to take the focus away from the issue of someone (whatever his religion) is mocking what is holy to us. But instead of showing sympathy and condemning religiously insensitive comments you want to use the examples of some hypocrite or less articulate hindus to trivialize the matter.

If you have followed my posts here, i have always rejected the idea of mocking of established global religions and religious figures. I just dont condone it. What i have problem with is the hypocrisy of some Hindus who defended charlie hebdo and now are singing a different tune. Also i am yet to see any videos where this guy has insulted Sanatan Dharma. I tried looking for it on youtube. Didnt find anything.
 
PP is a platform where you can't insult Islamic figures but hindu deities are criticized time to time.

In an institution, the platform decides what is OK inside legality and by posting here, you'll have to abide by it.

If anyone have objection, they can communicate towards administrators here. Similarly, if Muslims in India feel offended, they can approach the legal system (if they feel justification didn't occur).

In any system, it itself can minimize any discrimination but that doesn't mean it is guaranteed that anyone will be deal with equality since human are not perfect creature. What yoy can do is, voice against it.

I am sorry but what is the point of your post? I dont think i disagree with anything that you said but whats the point you are trying to convey??

On a side note, are you saying people haven't criticised Islam on PP?? Nobody is allowed to insult Hindu figures or muslim figures or any religious figures on PP. Criticism is different than insulting.
 
If you have followed my posts here, i have always rejected the idea of mocking of established global religions and religious figures. I just dont condone it. What i have problem with is the hypocrisy of some Hindus who defended charlie hebdo and now are singing a different tune. Also i am yet to see any videos where this guy has insulted Sanatan Dharma. I tried looking for it on youtube. Didnt find anything.

One of the problems you will get on social media is that Indians will always claim to be tolerant and secular, but when their public reacts badly to when hinduism is disrespected, they don't condemn it according to their supposed tolerance and belief in free speech, they start frothing "but...but....Islam! ....Pakistan!!"

Honestly very difficult to understand where they are coming from since many of them don't seem to understand themselves.
 
Insulting Muslims is different from insulting Islam. Munawar Faruqi would not live a day if he insulted Islam.
I agree with posters that everyone should be allowed to mock religion and religious figures. Its the best way to convey a message in a lighter way.

So basically he isnt insulting muslims bad enough? :))
Generalizations galore. How are Tarek Fatah and Tasleema nasreen safe in a country with the second biggest muslim population in the world? Secondly, have muslims and Christians in India not been killed by hindus in the name of defending dharma?
 
One of the problems you will get on social media is that Indians will always claim to be tolerant and secular, but when their public reacts badly to when hinduism is disrespected, they don't condemn it according to their supposed tolerance and belief in free speech, they start frothing "but...but....Islam! ....Pakistan!!"

Honestly very difficult to understand where they are coming from since many of them don't seem to understand themselves.

Exactly. Their best response is that "at least we arent beheading people" :)) means everything else is fine as long as they dont behead people. Hindus have lynched people to death in the name of their religion numerous times anyway. The hypocrisy is amazing.
 
So if he insulted hindu deities in a higher calibre manner - let's say a Charlie Hebdo cartoon displayed prominently in a public space in Delhi - he would be treated with more respect?

In that case, the best treatment is to ignore. What is the purpose behind the Charlie Hebdo cartoons? Make Muslims angry, create chaos.

Who helps them achieve this purpose? Muslims who take to the streets and start destroying public property and vandalize assets as the Charlie Hebdo editors watch with popcorn.

This ***** comedian got what he deserved, but a smart approach would have been to ignore as well.

If he was ignored rather then beaten up by angry mob, hardly anyone beyond his limited audience would have learned about it, it wouldn’t have made the news and PPers would not be taking shots at the angry mob.
 
So basically he isnt insulting muslims bad enough? :))
Generalizations galore. How are Tarek Fatah and Tasleema nasreen safe in a country with the second biggest muslim population in the world? Secondly, have muslims and Christians in India not been killed by hindus in the name of defending dharma?

Muslims are people. They are not holy or divine. Insulting Muslims will only draw ire or protests. But insulting Islam means asking for death. You know the difference.
Tasleema is not safe even in India. She needs police protection when she is in public. Tarek Fatah only gives interviews to TV channels. He knows where the cash is.
Hindus have become like Abrahamic faith people too in the past few decades. Any criticism is not tolerated. Gone are the days of open debates and exchange of ideas. One way of silencing critics is by killing them.
 
I am sorry but what is the point of your post? I dont think i disagree with anything that you said but whats the point you are trying to convey??

On a side note, are you saying people haven't criticised Islam on PP?? Nobody is allowed to insult Hindu figures or muslim figures or any religious figures on PP. Criticism is different than insulting.

Even in discussion of Islam as a religion, time and time the administrators have reminded ppers that any insult towards of Islam and theprophet won't be tolerated and will be handed out with immediate ban. Since PP is a muslim majority platform, it does make sense. It's in terms and conditions also while posting in PP.

No such conditions exist for other religion.

Point was, every platform puts some boundaries which differ from platform to platform.

There's a difference between insulting Islam and insulting a muslim.

Similarly, there's a difference between insulting a hindu deity and hinduism.

If you agreed the terms and conditions of PP, then why you are objecting to the same principle in others case?
 
In that case, the best treatment is to ignore. What is the purpose behind the Charlie Hebdo cartoons? Make Muslims angry, create chaos.

Who helps them achieve this purpose? Muslims who take to the streets and start destroying public property and vandalize assets as the Charlie Hebdo editors watch with popcorn.

This ***** comedian got what he deserved, but a smart approach would have been to ignore as well.

If he was ignored rather then beaten up by angry mob, hardly anyone beyond his limited audience would have learned about it, it wouldn’t have made the news and PPers would not be taking shots at the angry mob.

Then why didn't you just give that advice to our Indian posters in the first place instead of now moving the goalposts and saying "oh the best thing would have been to ignore"?
 
Muslims are people. They are not holy or divine. Insulting Muslims will only draw ire or protests. But insulting Islam means asking for death. You know the difference.
Tasleema is not safe even in India. She needs police protection when she is in public. Tarek Fatah only gives interviews to TV channels. He knows where the cash is.
Hindus have become like Abrahamic faith people too in the past few decades. Any criticism is not tolerated. Gone are the days of open debates and exchange of ideas. One way of silencing critics is by killing them.

Agree, but to admit that would be very difficult and painful for them and that is what leads to the cognitive dissonance displayed by defenders of hinduism on here and social media.
 
Muslims are people. They are not holy or divine. Insulting Muslims will only draw ire or protests. But insulting Islam means asking for death. You know the difference.
Tasleema is not safe even in India. She needs police protection when she is in public. Tarek Fatah only gives interviews to TV channels. He knows where the cash is.
Hindus have become like Abrahamic faith people too in the past few decades. Any criticism is not tolerated. Gone are the days of open debates and exchange of ideas. One way of silencing critics is by killing them.

What makes a person muslim? How do you identify that a person is a muslim? In this context what does insulting a "muslim" mean?
Tasleema, Tarek, Salman rushdie visit India and hold public conferences with ease. Unfortunately son of the Indian soil Mr. M.F Hussein did not have this luxury.
Quite appalling that you think Abrahamic faiths like Islam never had open debates and exchange of ideas. Thats quite a misinformed and communal statement to make.
 
Even in discussion of Islam as a religion, time and time the administrators have reminded ppers that any insult towards of Islam and theprophet won't be tolerated and will be handed out with immediate ban. Since PP is a muslim majority platform, it does make sense. It's in terms and conditions also while posting in PP.

No such conditions exist for other religion.

Point was, every platform puts some boundaries which differ from platform to platform.

There's a difference between insulting Islam and insulting a muslim.

Similarly, there's a difference between insulting a hindu deity and hinduism.

If you agreed the terms and conditions of PP, then why you are objecting to the same principle in others case?

If you can get me a statement from the moderators of PP that there are different conditions and rules for addressing Islamic beliefs and holy figures as compared to addressing beliefs and holy figures of other religions, i will eat my words. Go on, let's see it.
 
If you can get me a statement from the moderators of PP that there are different conditions and rules for addressing Islamic beliefs and holy figures as compared to addressing beliefs and holy figures of other religions, i will eat my words. Go on, let's see it.

You have Comprehension issues. Read my post carefully. It's different than what you understood.
 
You have Comprehension issues. Read my post carefully. It's different than what you understood.

Sorry if i misunderstood but what does this mean then?? If you could kindly elaborate.

Even in discussion of Islam as a religion, time and time the administrators have reminded ppers that any insult towards of Islam and theprophet won't be tolerated and will be handed out with immediate ban.

No such conditions exist for other religion.
 
It means PP has exclusive rule for posts involving Islam and the Prophet.

Can mods confirm this? [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Answer two questions in yes or no:

1) have Islam and Islam's holy figures been criticised on PP or not? Criticised, not insulted.

2) does PP allow insults to religions and religious figures other than Islamic?
 
Can mods confirm this? [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Answer two questions in yes or no:

1) have Islam and Islam's holy figures been criticised on PP or not? Criticised, not insulted.

2) does PP allow insults to religions and religious figures other than Islamic?

1. In past years, yes. Islam has been criticized.

2. It doesn't. But Islam is exclusively stated.


From T&c written by ShehryarK:

PakPassion is not the place for abusing or insulting the religions or religious beliefs of other people. For this reason, threads and posts insulting or ridiculing any religion or key religious figure are strictly forbidden. Similarly, overtly sectarian threads are not allowed.

In particular, given that our members are overwhelmingly Muslim, any derogatory, frivolous or negative comments towards the Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu 'alaihi wassalam) or towards his life and message, will be removed.
 
What makes a person muslim? How do you identify that a person is a muslim? In this context what does insulting a "muslim" mean?
Tasleema, Tarek, Salman rushdie visit India and hold public conferences with ease. Unfortunately son of the Indian soil Mr. M.F Hussein did not have this luxury.
Quite appalling that you think Abrahamic faiths like Islam never had open debates and exchange of ideas. Thats quite a misinformed and communal statement to make.

A Muslim is a person who recites Shahada wholeheartedly. What a Muslim does (murders or Killings or charity) may or may not be related to Islam. So a Muslim robbing people may not be related to Islam and should be criticized.
Rushdie, Tasleema hold public conferences. But they always have police security. They cannot simply walk in the street without getting their face rearranged by ShiddatPasandi believers.
Can you discuss and question Islam openly? When I say discussion, I am not talking about whether Islam is true etc. I am talking about sensitive topics for Muslims. At best you will be called Islamophobe and at worst, you will get killed.
 
1. In past years, yes. Islam has been criticized.

2. It doesn't. But Islam is exclusively stated.


From T&c written by ShehryarK:

PakPassion is not the place for abusing or insulting the religions or religious beliefs of other people. For this reason, threads and posts insulting or ridiculing any religion or key religious figure are strictly forbidden. Similarly, overtly sectarian threads are not allowed.

In particular, given that our members are overwhelmingly Muslim, any derogatory, frivolous or negative comments towards the Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu 'alaihi wassalam) or towards his life and message, will be removed.

So where does this leave us?
1) Islam has been criticised on this forum
2) No religion can be insulted here.

This is the crux of it all. Islam being exclusively stated doesnt mean a thing if insults are not allowed against anyone. Whats the problem lol
This in fact proves your analogy as completely wrong.

You said in your first response to me:
"PP is a platform where you can't insult Islamic figures but hindu deities are criticized time to time."

This in itself is a strange and misleading statement.
Because if Islam cant be insulted, same is the safeguard given to Hinduism and other religions. And if hinduism is criticised, so has been Islam. What exactly is the point here? Just wordplay.
 
So where does this leave us?
1) Islam has been criticised on this forum
2) No religion can be insulted here.

This is the crux of it all. Islam being exclusively stated doesnt mean a thing if insults are not allowed against anyone. Whats the problem lol
This in fact proves your analogy as completely wrong.

You said in your first response to me:
"PP is a platform where you can't insult Islamic figures but hindu deities are criticized time to time."

This in itself is a strange and misleading statement.
Because if Islam cant be insulted, same is the safeguard given to Hinduism and other religions. And if hinduism is criticised, so has been Islam. What exactly is the point here? Just wordplay.

The keyword here is "exclusive". Since Muslims are majority, so anything against Prophet won't be tolerated especially.

Similarly in India, you can't insult any religion. But since hindu is majority, you especially shouldn't insult hindu deity.

Are we on the same page on this?
 
A Muslim is a person who recites Shahada wholeheartedly. What a Muslim does (murders or Killings or charity) may or may not be related to Islam. So a Muslim robbing people may not be related to Islam and should be criticized.
Rushdie, Tasleema hold public conferences. But they always have police security. They cannot simply walk in the street without getting their face rearranged by ShiddatPasandi believers.
Can you discuss and question Islam openly? When I say discussion, I am not talking about whether Islam is true etc. I am talking about sensitive topics for Muslims. At best you will be called Islamophobe and at worst, you will get killed.

Your entire premise is confused. Sorry, but riddle me this. If a person kills or robs someone (using the example you used) who should be criticized? The person? Or the person as a muslim? Are you getting my point? Did the person commit that crime as an individual human being or as a muslim? Why would you criticize the "MUSLIM robbing the people" (your words)? Why associate the term muslim with him if you dont think Islam has anything to do with the crime? And hence, when a comedian mocks muslims, how exactly is he identifying them as muslims if not by their association with Islam? Hence, by virtue of addressing them as muslims, he is infact signalling that there is something wrong with Islam and he is mocking it by extension. Otherwise he would just refer to them as just people.

Islam is discussed openly and publicly around the globe even today. In public forums where sensitive topics are addressed and debated by apologists from different faiths and believe me, the opposers of Islam never come slow. Debating is in fact an Islamic tradition from the very beginning of Islam itself. It was encouraged by scholars like Imam Abu Hanifa(ra) who debated atheists in full public view and crowds used to come watch them. Nobody beheaded anybody for criticizing Islam then.
 
If you have followed my posts here, i have always rejected the idea of mocking of established global religions and religious figures. I just dont condone it. What i have problem with is the hypocrisy of some Hindus who defended charlie hebdo and now are singing a different tune. Also i am yet to see any videos where this guy has insulted Sanatan Dharma. I tried looking for it on youtube. Didnt find anything.

I know and I apologize for accusing you of that. These events have clouded my judgement. of course, many hindus are hypocrites and they allow others to take the focus away from the main issue at hand.

If you have followed me, you know that I am not a patriotic or nationalist indian, and wouldn't mind burning the indian flag. I am first and last a hindu, although not a good one, but I try.
 
The keyword here is "exclusive". Since Muslims are majority, so anything against Prophet won't be tolerated especially.

Similarly in India, you can't insult any religion. But since hindu is majority, you especially shouldn't insult hindu deity.

Are we on the same page on this?

Lol that’s not how it works. Either it should be no religion or it should be as per constitution of the country. If it’s secular then all should be fair game or none. What you’re promoting is basically mob justice due to majority
 
Lol that’s not how it works. Either it should be no religion or it should be as per constitution of the country. If it’s secular then all should be fair game or none. What you’re promoting is basically mob justice due to majority

He asked me about "practical" scenario. In theory, it will always be equal in any secular system.
 
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I know and I apologize for accusing you of that. These events have clouded my judgement. of course, many hindus are hypocrites and they allow others to take the focus away from the main issue at hand.

If you have followed me, you know that I am not a patriotic or nationalist indian, and wouldn't mind burning the indian flag. I am first and last a hindu, although not a good one, but I try.

We may be on opposite sides of the fence figuratively speaking - I was not a great fan of partition while you believe there should be further slicing and dicing - but I would like to voice my appreciation for your willingness to stand proud as a hindu and not try to sugar coat your views.

If only other hypocrites were so clear in vision of their bharat, then I think we on these boards would understand each other much better. Kudos bro for making no apology about being a bonafide hindu.
 
Pakistan isn’t a secular country and has laws in place to prosecute such behavior. So when it happens in Pakistan

If india wants to officially let go of its secular claims and brings similar laws then people won’t point out these issues as much when they happen. India’s problem is that it wants to have the cake and wants to eat it too. It doesn’t work that way.

IPC 295A exists since the Republic came to being. Its not a new law.

Secularism means that the state has no religion. This law applies to all religions. No one can mock any religion.

Which people will point out?

What laws a country makes and what it calls itself is solely its domain, every country can have its cake and eat it.
 
A national award winning movie ends with lead role playing character spitting on the idol of goddess inside a temple, actor who played the lead role (a christian) also won national award for the best actor. Gone are the days
 
There seems to be more. Whether you are hindu or Muslim, joke about godhra incident is totally disgusting. Comedians should draw some boundaries.

Bookmarked for future about “boundaries “
 
Condemnable comments from him. Distasteful to say the least. But do you think he should be targetted as a muslim like he has been on social media? I think most comedians mock religions irrespective of the religion they personally follow.

He should be punished as per law for his comments and not his religion.
 
Condemnable comments from him. Distasteful to say the least. But do you think he should be targetted as a muslim like he has been on social media? I think most comedians mock religions irrespective of the religion they personally follow.

True. His muslim identity should not be an issue. A lot of hypocrite hindus want a muslim parallel, as if he mocked his own religion, then mocking hindus is acceptable. Or if a hindu mocked our religion, it would be acceptable, but a muslim should not.

It is unacceptable irrespective of the belief or the religion of the mocker. A lot of these hindus are hindus only politically, and not religiously. They become hindus when it comes to opposing muslims, but hardly ever go to a temple or even pray at home.
 
A national award winning movie ends with lead role playing character spitting on the idol of goddess inside a temple, actor who played the lead role (a christian) also won national award for the best actor. Gone are the days

Gone are what days? You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but is there something objectionable about this scene according to hindu beliefs?
 
New Delhi, India – An Indian Muslim stand-up comic has spent 25 days in a Madhya Pradesh jail for jokes he did not tell an audience, but on suspicions he was “going to”.

Mumbai-based Munawar Faruqui, 28, is facing legal action in two states. In Madhya Pradesh, he was arrested while performing by Indore police for allegedly insulting Hindu deities during rehearsals. In neighbouring Uttar Pradesh, he is sought by the police in another case of allegedly insulting Hindu deities as well as Home Minister Amit Shah.

On Monday, the Indore bench of the Madhya Pradesh High Court reserved its order on Faruqui’s bail application. The court was hearing the comedian’s bail application after two pleas were rejected by a lower court earlier this month.

Both states are governed by the right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), of which Shah is a member and which also controls the federal government led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Was ‘going to’ crack anti-Hindu jokes

On the night of January 1, Faruqui was heckled by Hindu vigilantes and forced to stop his performance at Indore’s Monroe cafe after members of a little-known Hindu group, called Hind Rakshak Sangathan, alleged he had insulted Hindu gods.

Faruqui along with four others – Nalin Yadav, Prakhar Vyas, Priyam Vyas and Edwin Anthony – were roughed up and handed over to the police.

Sadakat Khan, a friend of Faruqui who was not mentioned as one of the accused, was arrested the next day on charges of being a co-organiser of the comedy event.

After their bail applications were rejected twice by a lower court, Faruqui’s lawyer moved to the high court, where the hearing listed for January 15 had to be adjourned because the Indore police failed to submit the case diary.

The police were dragging their feet, Anshuman Srivastava, Faruqui’s lawyer, told Al Jazeera.

Indore police initially claimed that “objectionable comments” were made against Hindu deities at the comedy event. The city’s Superintendent of Police Vijay Khatri issued a statement, claiming they had “enough evidence” against Faruqui and others arrested.

Last week, however, Khatri told Article 14, an Indian news website, that Faruqui had not made the jokes in a performance but was “going to”.

Indore police have not responded to Al Jazeera’s phone calls and emails seeking their response to allegations that Faruqui was arrested for a crime he “intended to commit”.

Faruqui’s lawyer Srivastava told Al Jazeera that the police have failed to produce any evidence in court that shows the comedian violated laws by “deliberately intending to outrage religious feelings”.

“A hypothetical allegation has been levelled by the complainant and merely on the basis of presumption the police has registered an offence,” said Srivastava, accusing the police of registering the complaint because of “political pressure”.

The complainant, Eklavya Singh Gaur, is the son of a BJP legislator and former minister in the Madhya Pradesh government. Gaur is also the convenor of the Hindu vigilante group that heckled and interrupted the event.

“BJP has no role in it. The case was filed at an individual level. You can’t say there is any political pressure or influence. Court will take a decision on the basis of arguments,” Rajneesh Agrawal, BJP’s state secretary in Madhya Pradesh, told Al Jazeera.

On accusations of targeting a Muslim comedian for his political comments, Agrawal said the allegations are baseless and that the BJP government in the state “has looked out for Muslim welfare”.

In the case against Faruqui in Uttar Pradesh, lawyer Ashutosh Mishra cited one of the comedian’s stand-up videos, claiming Faruqui was hinting in it that Home Minister Shah had incited the religious violence in Gujarat state in 2002, in which more than 1,000 people, most of them Muslims, were killed. Shah was Gujarat’s home minister at the time, while Modi was the chief minister.

“Since the name of Amit Shah is involved, this political drama has taken place in Indore. How can they take cognisance of any comments made on any political person of any party?” Srivastava asked.

Mishra’s complaint against Faruqui also mentions another video, alleging he made fun of Hindu gods in it.

Comics under threat
Over the past few years, several Indian comics have faced police cases or mob threats for allegedly harming religious or other sentiments, with many saying the pattern indicates the shrinking of freedom of speech in the country.

In December, top comedian Kunal Kamra and young cartoonist Rachita Taneja were served show-cause notices by the Supreme Court in response to complaints alleging they had showed contempt to the top court.

Taneja’s comic strip, called Sanitary Panels, insinuated the court was hand in glove with the governing BJP, while Kamra’s tweets called it “the most Supreme joke of the country”. He also shared an image of the court building painted saffron – the colour the BJP is identified with – with a party flag in the foreground.


It is not uncommon for comedians to feel they have to cancel shows or hide because of threats from religious or political groups.

In July last year, Agrima Joshua, a female stand-up comic from Mumbai, was at the receiving end of threats of rape and violence. The 2019 video for which she was attacked and charged with a case showed her telling jokes about the Maharashtra state government’s plans to build a massive statue of Shivaji, a 17th-century warrior-king.

Joshua was forced to apologise through a video on social media.

“They want to create a spectacle. It becomes a source of pride for them. It’s also to show you that you don’t belong in this country if you don’t match their ideology … and now, Munawar is being made an example,” Joshua told Al Jazeera.

Radhika Vaz, another female comic, was trolled and harassed for defending Joshua on national news channels. Old videos where she made a reference to Karwa Chauth, a Hindu festival where women observe fast for their husbands were dug up as examples of her making fun of Hindu culture.

Vaz’s claim that she was actually referencing “how we put the men first” didn’t help much.

“They are creating this otherness because there is no other way to do it. My last name is a Christian last name and it is easier for them to say, oh, she doesn’t like Hindu culture,” Vaz told Al Jazeera.

The same month, right-wing trolls went after several other comedians, accusing the comedy industry of being “Hinduphobic”.


Like Vaz, several comedians, including Vir Das, Rohan Joshi and Kaneez Surka have been subjected to abuses and harassment over their past performances, forcing many to issue an apology.

‘Muslim first and last name’
Most popular comedians, however, steer clear of political satire or commenting on religious groups, often in fear of losing right-wing fans or inviting their ire.

Faruqui, though a relative newcomer to India’s comedy scene, instead chose to comment on Prime Minister Modi, his government, the BJP and its ideological mentor, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), which aims to turn India into an ethnic Hindu state.

Faruqui’s performances have included jokes on the religious riots, the controversial citizenship law passed in 2019, police brutality against students, and the ongoing farmers’ protest – among others – topics considered “sensitive” in the country.

Even as the comedian remains behind bars, the comedy industry and the political opposition has largely chosen to remain quiet on the issue.

“There are comics who say all kinds of stupid things and are not in jail. Yes, we might get threatened or trolled but this is happening only because he [Munawar] has a Muslim first and last name,” said Vaz.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021...mic-in-jail-for-weeks-for-jokes-he-didnt-tell
 
Muslims are easy targets in pseudo-democratic India. Wouldn't have been arrested if he was an upper-caste Hindu. Sure of it.
 
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