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Yep. Authorities are waiting for confirmation for the motive of the attack on him. A radicalized extremist, or if the narrative doesnt suit then a mentally ill individual!
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Yep. Authorities are waiting for confirmation for the motive of the attack on him. A radicalized extremist, or if the narrative doesnt suit then a mentally ill individual!
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Here's a summary of some of the latest developments following the attack on author Salman Rushdie in the US state of New York.
• Rushdie's agent says his client has been undergoing surgery after being airlifted to hospital. The agent had no more information to share about his Rushdie's condition.
• The novelist was due to give a lecture at the Chautauqua Institution alongside Henry Reese, the founder of a non-profit organisation which protects persecuted writers.
• Both men were attacked before the event began; eyewitnesses described a mask-wearing assailant storming the stage with what appeared to be a knife.
• Rushdie is said to have been struck many times in the neck and torso area; Reese received minor head injuries.
• Police say they took a suspect into custody at the scene.
• The New York state governor has credited a police officer with potentially saving Rushdie's life.
• Condemnation of the attack and messages of support have come from far and wide, including from US Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and authors Neil Gaiman and JK Rowling.
• Rushdie's agent says his client has been undergoing surgery after being airlifted to hospital. The agent had no more information to share about his Rushdie's condition.
• The novelist was due to give a lecture at the Chautauqua Institution alongside Henry Reese, the founder of a non-profit organisation which protects persecuted writers.
• Both men were attacked before the event began; eyewitnesses described a mask-wearing assailant storming the stage with what appeared to be a knife.
• Rushdie is said to have been struck many times in the neck and torso area; Reese received minor head injuries.
• Police say they took a suspect into custody at the scene.
• The New York state governor has credited a police officer with potentially saving Rushdie's life.
• Condemnation of the attack and messages of support have come from far and wide, including from US Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and authors Neil Gaiman and JK Rowling.
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What do you mean by narrative doesnt suit?
If the attacker is proven to be muslim than offcourse the person would be labelled as a radical extremist because the motive is self explanatory than.
If a person killing him for his book isnt a radical than what is.
Hopefully he survives as his death will only bring negative news for us, where more people will use freedom of speech to commit blasphemy where the cycle will keep on repeating.
Surprised that his security was laxed in USA
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To be fair, it's hard to imagine any other motive. He was in hiding for years because he knew this was on the cards.
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Details continue to emerge about how the attack on Rushdie unfolded.
Eyewitness Julia Mineeva-Braun describes a scene of confusion, as she thought Rushdie's assailant had approached the author to fix a microphone.
Instead, Rushdie was stabbed firstly in the neck and then lower, near the shoulder blades, Mineeva-Braun tells the Reuters news agency.
Rushdie is said to have got up and started running, but was pinned down by his attacker before help arrived.
Another witness, Mary Newsom, tells the BBC there was shock and a "giant collective gasp" as the incident occurred, as Chautauqua is considered to be a safe place.
She claims there was "no security around [Rushdie]".
Newsom claims that tickets were checked, but bags were not.
Organisers are yet to comment on the event's security arrangements.
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Eyewitness Julia Mineeva-Braun describes a scene of confusion, as she thought Rushdie's assailant had approached the author to fix a microphone.
Instead, Rushdie was stabbed firstly in the neck and then lower, near the shoulder blades, Mineeva-Braun tells the Reuters news agency.
Rushdie is said to have got up and started running, but was pinned down by his attacker before help arrived.
Another witness, Mary Newsom, tells the BBC there was shock and a "giant collective gasp" as the incident occurred, as Chautauqua is considered to be a safe place.
She claims there was "no security around [Rushdie]".
Newsom claims that tickets were checked, but bags were not.
Organisers are yet to comment on the event's security arrangements.
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Great writer. Hopefully he recovers from this abhorrent attack. Midnight Children and Satanic Verses are some of the greatest works in literature.
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I am amazed that he has survived this long. His Japanese translator was murdered and three more translators injured around the world.
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Press conference:
State police confirm the attacker of Salman Rushdie in Chautauqua County is Hadi Matar, 24, of Fairview New Jersey, a law enforcement official says.
Police says Rushdie was initially given medical treatment by a doctor who was in the audience at the event at the Chautauqua Institution, then airlifted to a local trauma centre and is still currently undergoing surgery
The interviewer of the event, who was also attacked by Hadi Matar, was taken to hospital and treated for a facial injury, police add.
Police have no indication of the motive but are working with the FBI and the sheriff's office to determine the motive of the attack.
Police say they assume the attack was at the event alone but are working to confirm that.
State police confirm the attacker of Salman Rushdie in Chautauqua County is Hadi Matar, 24, of Fairview New Jersey, a law enforcement official says.
Police says Rushdie was initially given medical treatment by a doctor who was in the audience at the event at the Chautauqua Institution, then airlifted to a local trauma centre and is still currently undergoing surgery
The interviewer of the event, who was also attacked by Hadi Matar, was taken to hospital and treated for a facial injury, police add.
Police have no indication of the motive but are working with the FBI and the sheriff's office to determine the motive of the attack.
Police say they assume the attack was at the event alone but are working to confirm that.
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Not surprised someone like you enjoyed those books.
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The assailant has been named as Hadi Matar, a 24 year old from New Jersey.
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This is where the problem lies. Muslims will not accept the world ridiculing their Prophet in the name of ‘art’. They stand for something
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A man who deliberately antagonised the believers of a religion now falling on his own sword?.
He started the proud apostate genre which is now a big industry
He started the proud apostate genre which is now a big industry
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Then again the attacker could have had mental health issues, so lets not jump at conclusions.
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Christians also stand for something, but none of them physically attacked Monty Python when The Life of Brian was released. The Pope did not call on the writers to be murdered.
Make protest, sure. Boycott your library, sure. These are civilised ways to get your point across.
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Sorry but Muslims will not become tolerant in the matter of their Prophet the way the west wants them to become, so don’t poke the bear knowingly. They don’t ask or expect the public/media to mock Christian or mosaic prophets, religious figures. So they shouldn’t be expected to be equally tolerant in the matter that hurts/concerns them the most.
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Murder?
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No. 99.99% of Muslims know that murder is not the answer, but there will always be that 0.001% of the population that will take the next step, and the remaining 99.99% will have to answer on their behalf.
My point is, just cut it out. Leave it. You cannot abuse someone’s parents in the name of FOS, so should be the case for their holy figures.
But you can abuse somebody's parents. You may not like it, but you can.
Murdering somebody because of that is wrong.
Now I've never read the satanic verses.. but I'm a Christian and have read and watched may things slating my religion or even mocking it. But I won't stab someone...
Murdering somebody because of that is wrong.
Now I've never read the satanic verses.. but I'm a Christian and have read and watched may things slating my religion or even mocking it. But I won't stab someone...
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Sorry but not everyone has the same level of tolerance. And Muslims will not compromise on this. You can abuse the parents of Muslim people and they will tolerate it, however they make it very clear that they will not tolerate abuse to their prophet. This should be respected, this boundary should not be crossed.
That's always the easy way out that a criminal was hearing voices and what not. That he attacked Salman Rushdie of all people tells us he knew exactly what he was doing.
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Salman Rushdie: Author on ventilator and unable to speak, agent says
Salman Rushdie's agent has said "the news is not good" after the author was stabbed at an event in New York state.
He was attacked on stage, and is now on a ventilator and unable to speak, Andrew Wylie said in a statement, adding that the author will lose one eye.
Mr Rushdie has suffered years of Islamist death threats after writing The Satanic Verses, published in 1988.
Police detained a suspect named as Hadi Matar, 24, from Fairview, New Jersey.
New York State Police the suspect ran onto the stage and attacked Mr Rushdie and an interviewer at an event at the Chautauqua Institution in western New York state.
"Salman will likely lose one eye; the nerves in his arm were severed; and his liver was stabbed and damaged," his agent, Andrew Wylie said.
No motive or charges have yet been confirmed by police, who are in the process of obtaining search warrants to examine a backpack and electronic devices found at the centre.
Mr Rushdie was stabbed at least once in the neck, and at least once in the abdomen, authorities said. He was taken to a hospital in Erie, Pennsylvania, by helicopter.
The interviewer who was with him on stage, Henry Reese, suffered a minor head injury and was taken to a local hospital. Mr Reese is the co-founder of a non-profit that provides sanctuary to writers exiled under threat of persecution.
Police told a press conference that staff and audience members had rushed the attacker and took him to the ground, and he was then arrested.
Linda Abrams, an onlooker from the city of Buffalo, told The New York Times that the assailant kept trying to attack Mr Rushdie after he was retrained.
"It took like five men to pull him away and he was still stabbing," Ms Abrams said. "He was just furious, furious. Like intensely strong and just fast."
Another onlooker, Rita Landman, told the paper that Mr Rushdie appeared to be alive immediately after the attack.
"People were saying, 'He has a pulse, he has a pulse, he has a pulse'," she said.
A video posted online shows the moment people rushed onto the stage to restrain the attacker and help the injured men. Police said a doctor in the audience gave Mr Rushdie first aid.
Indian-born novelist Mr Rushdie catapulted to fame with Midnight's Children in 1981, which went on to sell over one million copies in the UK alone.
But his fourth book, in 1988 - The Satanic Verses - forced him into hiding for nine years.
The surrealist, post-modern novel sparked outrage among some Muslims, who considered its content to be blasphemous, and was banned in some countries.
A year after the book's release, Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini called for Mr Rushdie's execution. He offered a $3m (£2.5m) reward in a fatwa - a legal decree issued by an Islamic religious leader.
The bounty over Mr Rushdie's head remains active, and although Iran's government has distanced itself from Khomeini's decree, a quasi-official Iranian religious foundation added a further $500,000 to the reward in 2012.
The British-American citizen - who was born to non-practising Muslims and is an atheist himself - has become a vocal advocate for freedom of expression, defending his work on several occasions.
Read more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62528689
Salman Rushdie's agent has said "the news is not good" after the author was stabbed at an event in New York state.
He was attacked on stage, and is now on a ventilator and unable to speak, Andrew Wylie said in a statement, adding that the author will lose one eye.
Mr Rushdie has suffered years of Islamist death threats after writing The Satanic Verses, published in 1988.
Police detained a suspect named as Hadi Matar, 24, from Fairview, New Jersey.
New York State Police the suspect ran onto the stage and attacked Mr Rushdie and an interviewer at an event at the Chautauqua Institution in western New York state.
"Salman will likely lose one eye; the nerves in his arm were severed; and his liver was stabbed and damaged," his agent, Andrew Wylie said.
No motive or charges have yet been confirmed by police, who are in the process of obtaining search warrants to examine a backpack and electronic devices found at the centre.
Mr Rushdie was stabbed at least once in the neck, and at least once in the abdomen, authorities said. He was taken to a hospital in Erie, Pennsylvania, by helicopter.
The interviewer who was with him on stage, Henry Reese, suffered a minor head injury and was taken to a local hospital. Mr Reese is the co-founder of a non-profit that provides sanctuary to writers exiled under threat of persecution.
Police told a press conference that staff and audience members had rushed the attacker and took him to the ground, and he was then arrested.
Linda Abrams, an onlooker from the city of Buffalo, told The New York Times that the assailant kept trying to attack Mr Rushdie after he was retrained.
"It took like five men to pull him away and he was still stabbing," Ms Abrams said. "He was just furious, furious. Like intensely strong and just fast."
Another onlooker, Rita Landman, told the paper that Mr Rushdie appeared to be alive immediately after the attack.
"People were saying, 'He has a pulse, he has a pulse, he has a pulse'," she said.
A video posted online shows the moment people rushed onto the stage to restrain the attacker and help the injured men. Police said a doctor in the audience gave Mr Rushdie first aid.
Indian-born novelist Mr Rushdie catapulted to fame with Midnight's Children in 1981, which went on to sell over one million copies in the UK alone.
But his fourth book, in 1988 - The Satanic Verses - forced him into hiding for nine years.
The surrealist, post-modern novel sparked outrage among some Muslims, who considered its content to be blasphemous, and was banned in some countries.
A year after the book's release, Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini called for Mr Rushdie's execution. He offered a $3m (£2.5m) reward in a fatwa - a legal decree issued by an Islamic religious leader.
The bounty over Mr Rushdie's head remains active, and although Iran's government has distanced itself from Khomeini's decree, a quasi-official Iranian religious foundation added a further $500,000 to the reward in 2012.
The British-American citizen - who was born to non-practising Muslims and is an atheist himself - has become a vocal advocate for freedom of expression, defending his work on several occasions.
Read more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62528689
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I have grown up in the west. I love the freedom it offers me. I would never trade this freedom or lifestyle for the one back home or in any Islamic republic. I totally understand the concept of free speech and free expression. But I have grown mature enough to understand that there is no way that this freedom can extend to the mocking of any religious leader or holy figure, and The Prophet s.a is a complete no go area. I will not ever promote violence and murder as a response, but you are right…there will be someone besides me or the billions of Muslims (who will suck it in) that will be so hurt that they wouldn’t care about the consequences of physically retaliating. If the west is open to accepting the concept of a ‘new normal’ due to covid protocols, they should also be ready to understand the new meanings of freedom of expression, in which the holy figures of any religion whatsoever are not subject to ridicule and insults.
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Then dont go & live in a western land - people with views like these are spoiling it for the rest of us who dont care about such stuff & are more concerned about our day to day lives. Nobody forced Muslims to go live in a land which does not adhere to their religious line. Personally, i dont care what Rushdie has to say about my religion; my relationship with Allah (SWT) is not defined by what a third person has to say about it.
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It sounds like Rushdie is in a very poor condition in the hospital.
This actually is a terrorist mentality to the free world, and justifies Islamophobia I guess.
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Well, I would argue that one can respect a person but not respect their beliefs, because beliefs are not the person. Belief are just ideas and ideas do not feel pain.
But did Rushdie actually cross that boundary? How do you know without reading the novel? I think nobody would mind at all but for Khomeini, and I bet he never read it either.
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Author Salman Rushdie will likely lose an eye and has suffered severed nerves in an arm and damage to his liver after he was stabbed, his agent has said.
The 75-year-old remains on a ventilator after being airlifted to hospital and undergoing hours of surgery following the attack in New York state.
"The news is not good. Salman will likely lose one eye, the nerves in his arm were severed, and his liver was stabbed and damaged," Andrew Wylie said in a written statement.
The Indian-born British author was being introduced to the audience ahead of giving a lecture at the Chautauqua Institution, when a man stormed the stage and began attacking him, according to witnesses.
As Sir Salman fell to the floor, the man was pinned down by audience members and staff who ran on stage. The suspect was arrested by a state trooper soon after, and is now in custody.
He has been identified as 24-year-old Hadi Matar from Fairview, New Jersey, who bought a pass for the event. Police say they do not yet know a motive for the assault, but they believe the suspect was acting alone.
Witness Pilar Pintagro told Sky News: "We were very scared because the first place (he was stabbed) was in the neck and that's where the blood started to splash everywhere, and then he stabbed him in the shoulders and continued stabbing several times because it was so fast.
"People from the audience actually jumped onto the stage to try to put him down and Salman was trying to walk away from this guy, but he continued stabbing several times, and he was finally pinned down."
The writer was helped by a doctor who was in the audience before emergency services arrived.
Police said the event's moderator, Henry Reese, suffered a minor head injury after also being attacked.
Another witness Julia Mineeva Braun told Sky News that as Sir Salman was being introduced "all of a sudden from the left-hand side of the stage a short man, (dressed) all in black, ran out, and he approached Mr Rushdie".
"It was very quick... we thought he was fixing his microphone, and then we saw the knife. He started stabbing him in the neck first… and Mr Rushdie got up and started running. We're still in shock."
Salman Rushdie is an Indian-born British author whose writing about religion and politics has made him controversial in some parts of the world.
His first three novels - Grimus (1975), Midnight's Children (1981) and Shame (1983) - were all met with praise but it was his fourth - The Satanic Verses - that brought criticism.
Some of the scenes in the 1988 book depict a character modelled on the Prophet Muhammad and this was met with anger from some members of the Muslim community in the UK.
Protests spread to Pakistan in January 1989 and the following month, the spiritual leader of revolutionary Iran, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, condemned the book and issued a fatwa against him.
A bounty was offered for his death. Rushdie went into hiding under the protection of Scotland Yard in the UK, although he appeared in public occasionally.
Despite the threat to his life, he continued to write and in 1998 the Iranian government said it would no longer enforce the fatwa. But Ayatollah Khomeini's successor as Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said in 2005 that the fatwa was still valid.
Rushdie wrote about his experience in the third-person memoir Joseph Anton in 2012. He was knighted in 2007, a move that was criticised by the Iranian and Pakistani governments.
Sir Salman's publisher Penguin Random House said they were "deeply shocked" by the incident.
"We condemn this violent public assault, and our thoughts are with Salman and his family at this distressing time."
White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan described the attack as "appalling", adding: "We're thankful to good citizens and first responders for helping him so swiftly."
Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Twitter he was "appalled that Sir Salman Rushdie has been stabbed while exercising a right we should never cease to defend".
He added: "Right now my thoughts are with his loved ones. We are all hoping he is okay."
Sir Salman lives in New York City and became a US citizen in 2016. His lecture was expected to discuss America's role as an asylum for writers and other artists in exile, and as a home for freedom of creative expression.
His fourth book, The Satanic Verses, was banned in 1988 in a number of countries with large Muslim populations, including Iran, after it was considered by some to contain blasphemous passages.
In 1989, Iran's then leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued a fatwa, or edict, calling for Sir Salman's death.
The Middle East country also offered a bounty of more than $3m for anyone who kills the writer.
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To add to this - no need to discuss Iran/leadership etc - thread cannot be derailed like that.
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You just indirectly said that muslims are intolerant peiple
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For 33 years, Salman Rushdie has embodied freedom and the fight against obscurantism. He has just been the victim of a cowardly attack by the forces of hatred and barbarism. His fight is our fight; it is universal. Now more than ever, we stand by his side.</p>— Emmanuel Macron (@EmmanuelMacron) <a href="https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1558220516720353286?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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New Delhi: Author Salman Rushdie is on ventilator and could lose an eye after he underwent surgery following a knife attack at a literary event in New York, US. The attacker has been identified as Hadi Matar, 24, from New Jersey.
Here are the 5 facts on Salman Rushdie's attacker:
A preliminary review of Matar's social media showed him to be sympathetic to "Shia extremism" and the causes of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard (IRGC).
Though there are no direct links between Matar and the IRGC, investigators reportedly found images of Iranian commander Qassem Solemani, who was assassinated in 2020, in a cell phone messaging app belonging to Matar.
Hadi Matar reportedly jumped up on the stage as Rushdie was about to give a speech at the Chautauqua Institution near the New York city, which holds arts programmes. Henry Reese, the interviewer, also suffered a head injury in the attack.
Police believe Matar was "working alone". The authorities, however, are in the "process of obtaining search warrants for various items. There was a backpack located at the scene. There was also electronic devices".
Hadi Matar is from Fairview, New Jersey. Authorities are still looking into Matar's nationality and his criminal records, if any.
Here are the 5 facts on Salman Rushdie's attacker:
A preliminary review of Matar's social media showed him to be sympathetic to "Shia extremism" and the causes of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard (IRGC).
Though there are no direct links between Matar and the IRGC, investigators reportedly found images of Iranian commander Qassem Solemani, who was assassinated in 2020, in a cell phone messaging app belonging to Matar.
Hadi Matar reportedly jumped up on the stage as Rushdie was about to give a speech at the Chautauqua Institution near the New York city, which holds arts programmes. Henry Reese, the interviewer, also suffered a head injury in the attack.
Police believe Matar was "working alone". The authorities, however, are in the "process of obtaining search warrants for various items. There was a backpack located at the scene. There was also electronic devices".
Hadi Matar is from Fairview, New Jersey. Authorities are still looking into Matar's nationality and his criminal records, if any.
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Without a doubt they will not compromise their intolerance for the honour of the Prophet s.a just because the west thinks it is ok to violate it in the name of FOS. People need to understand this.
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What a stupid post.
So people should stop migrating for a better life because they are not ready to accept abuse to their faith, beliefs and disrespect to their holy figures? Why can’t the western land accept that the orient loves the freedom it offers, but doesn’t want you to cross this one boundary??
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Praying for a speedy recovery, get well Salman Rushdie..
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You can’t come to west and dictate what those boundaries are.
If you want the benefits of living in the west you need to accepting the freedom of speech.
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So Nupur Sharma is on a hit list for her comments in the west??? This isn’t an east v west thing anymore. The Honour of The Prophet s.a is protected all over the world by the Muslims. Don’t play with fire (all over the world).
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Hence, you are proving that people that follow the religion of Islam are intolerant.
Than why shouldnt their be islamophobia than?
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FoS is one of the reasons why the better life in west exists. You cant pick and choose where FOS can be applied. If you do, than it would also get limited to other places.
I live in a country where saying anything against the army can land you in trouble while at the same time you can insult the head of state of pakistan.
Beliefs cannot be seen or touch. People will make fun of it no matter you like it or not. Best is to ignore it and move on.
South park broadcasted a cartoon on the prophet i choose to stop watching south park. I didnt go and kill the creators or asked people on twitter that he should be killed.
Its upto you whether you wana watch or read that thing or not.
While everyone was issuing fatwa against rushdie, no one really try to put much thought on the explanation on why ibn hisham left out stuff from what ibn ishaq wrote.
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Similar vibe to those French incidents we've seen over the past few years.
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This is a mature attitude.
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In the west they kick up a storm if you have a view which is not in line with the LGBT movement or say you are the man being attacked by a woman, it is ok for you to be oppressed but the moment you defend yourself people get emotional about it. Murder is any case is not justified but we need to accept that there are varying levels of acceptance when it comes to these things, Europe and North America are very diverse now and anti-Islam sentiment is not acceptable or the exploitation of FOS.
In India they are mostly pro-homosexuality and anti-Islam, it’s no surprise Rushdie had so much success there.
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Very easy to write things like this and expect everyone to follow an ideal script. The reality is far from it. People standing up for the honour of the Prophet s.a in the west are equally those who have grown up here and have enjoyed that freedom. cinemas in the UK were not brave enough to allow that movie made by the Ahl-e-tashee producers, it wasn’t molvis from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who were protesting for its removal, it was predominantly British Muslim men with a British education. These kids have grown up here, this is there home and they deserve to live here with the complete relaxation of knowing their sentiments will not be hurt by others in the name of free will.
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Do you want me to give a westernised, European centralised or capitalistic description of what Islam and Muslims should be all over the world?
There is no beating around the bush here. Muslims will always feel extremely hurt if there Prophet s.a is disrespected just because it is apparently ok to insult people in the name of FOS. There is no denying the intolerance on this matter. Quite simply, decent Muslim folk like me are sick and tired of trying to explain to people that there is nothing to gain from insulting the respected figures of any religion, and it isn’t a *** for tat situation with Islam and other religions on this matter.
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Which is why under FOS dave chapelle did not get cancelled and rightly so.
Gender movements are abit complicated. Its just that people who identify themselves under a certain gender just want to live there life and dont want others to tell them what is right or wrong.
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And Muslims SHOULD be hurt.
To say I am not bothered about insults to the man at the epicenter of our religion is wrong in my view. We should be worried.
Question really is how to channel that hurt.
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Sure, than go around killing people i guess.
But when people start fearing you because your are muslims than you have no right to claim that we are being targetted under Islamophobia.
We believe that islamophbia exists because some whiteman hates muslims, when infact islamophobia exists because the actions of muslims lead to the whiteman generating a perception about us. It is the muslim that create that perception and than face its backlash
Its like how pakistanis have a perception against afghanis. Few bad eggs at the pak vs afg cricket match in the 2019 world cup, lead to people posting here and twitter giving generalize remarks against all afghanis.
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Prophet wasnt an unknown figure, he is a well known personality worldwide. Now when a person is famous, he or she will always have critics no matter what. Einstein, Churchill, Mother Teresa, Gandhi, and many more, no matter what good they jave done or how easy they made the lives of the people, they still have critics.
Now Prophet was a much bigger personality in comparison to them, but the bigger the personality, the more famous he is worldwide, the critics will also increase in proportion.
You cant deny this. Whether those critics are right or wrong is a seperate thing, but there will be bad mouthers, you cant expect every single person to give respect.
Prophet had his critics during his life time, even the surah lahab couldnt change abu lahab or his wife, even though they could had converted to islam to prove God wrong because surah lahab came during the lifetime of lahab and his wife.
This is why the Prophet preached that show your good actions because we each are an ambassador for islam. To market the religion to the people you have to show your actions to the world.
Buddhism has done this succesfully, they have marketted themselves as peaceful people, even though some might point otherwise.
Critics will exist, answer isnt to kill people. If Abu Lahab couldnt stop even with God reffering him directly, what makes you think killing would do anything better?
Killing someone just makes us look bad and than we have the whole islamophobia erupting against us.
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I don’t think retaliation in the name of ‘defending’ the honour of the Prophet s.a is an instigator of Islamophobia because this is a defensive act by those who protest for the abolition of insults towards their Prophet.
Person B moves to a new home in a new area. Person A who lives in that area from before comes to attack Person B at his home because it is apparently a custom to attack everyone in that area, Person B responds by defending himself as he is not used to being attacked without provocation . How does that lead to the world considering Person B a terrorist who should be feared?
What needs to be removed is the freedom Person A has to think it is ok to just attack someone because ‘hey, toughen up! Hey don’t live here if you can’t play by our rules!
Also, nowhere have I said it is ok to kill people as a response. It is not ok.
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there is a difference between physical attack and an attack that is metaphorical which is not even directed at you.
First decide whether Islam is a religion or a code of life. We are preached that Islam is a code of life, thus, how we react, our actions would play a big factor whether we are able to convince more people to join Islam or not.
To say we have the best way of living life and than our actions lead to attacking others because we got provoked by ourselves makes Islam look bad
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Why is there no middle ground? So its either not say anything when the Prophet PBUH is insulted or kill someone.
Saying nothing, imo, is tantamount to agreeing with the insulters.
Say something but also say that our Prophet PBUH was insulted in the worst possible way but he responded with a smile and I will do that too.
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Again, a very uninformed post playing to the gallery
Many orientalists have historically studied and criticised the life (Seerah) of the Prophet s.a throughout the world. Many have held very strong opinions about him and his personal life, his marital life. Many have provided their own research to prove things that could hurt the sentiments of the Muslims. However, all of these critical researchers have been met with critical responses by Islamic and non Islamic scholars in the name of research. No one has issued a fatwa against a critical researcher who provides theories on Hadhrat Aisha’s age or what they consider happened when the Prophet apparently received a revelation from a source that wasn’t Allah. Critics have always been allowed to criticise these elements of history in the realms of decency and have always met an academic response within the realms of decency. Islam and Muslims have always been open to academic discussion revolving around the life of the Prophet, his wives and his companions. This is important for ‘shara Sadr’ (to have no doubt within your heart that your belief is correct).
The issue lies in the boundaries that need not be crossed. Come to the table and you will find Muslims willing to engage with you cordially until you have received the answers to all your questions. And they will not pursue you even if you do not agree with their justification. DO NOT cross the line by making caricatures, writings or other inflammatory material to appease an audience that cuts itself from that Islamic society in the name of entertainment. The sense of otherness will always resonate and the divisions between the communities will only grow far and wider. Enmity will increase and hatred will fuel.
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there is a middle ground which is our actions. I agree you can say something, but what is to be said shouldn't be said in an aggressive manner like issuing a fatwa for death or doing a protest in places like Iran and Pakistan.
Issue is this is not a field of science or a theory that is being discussed where you respond with another theory. What is being discussed is religion or as we say in Islam, a Code of Life.
Thus, our actions would matter alot.
Family guy literally makes fun of the angry letters they get from Christian communities on their own animated show.
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That I agree with but think about the levels of education and how people think they can be heard.
As more people get on the internet, people in places like Pakistan will feel that they have a better way to express anger than on the streets.
What I will say is that in this Rushdie debate, let us not lose sight of the affront to Muslims that triggered it.
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Person B has not been attacked - his beliefs have by something in a book. Person A is used to attacking the beliefs of the other Person As and having his own attacked in turn. That is the local culture - everyone takes the rise out of everyone else as a sign of friendliness and equality - and it works very well.
Person B is protected by the local culture from physical harm from Person A.
If Person B asserts a special right to be immune from his beliefs being attacked, but not Person A’s beliefs all the Person As will find him very strange.
It is hypocritical to think that you can openly insult others but demand that someone else is not insulted.
If you are free to go around insulting politicians, sportspeople and others then who are you to tell others who they can and cannot insult others.
If you yourself do not insult anyone then perhaps you have the right to ask others not to, but I don't know of anyone that is in that position.
If you are free to go around insulting politicians, sportspeople and others then who are you to tell others who they can and cannot insult others.
If you yourself do not insult anyone then perhaps you have the right to ask others not to, but I don't know of anyone that is in that position.
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Person A is not ‘used to having his beliefs attacked’ historically because the laws surrounding FOS in religious or cultural matters have not been the same since the inception of the religious law being established. Islam’s rules on protecting the honour of holy figures have been the same since the time of the Prophet, they have not adapted or changed with time like they have since Mosaic, Christian law
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Yeah, Christendom stopped burning apostates centuries ago. Muslim world culture was not always so inflexible but became so, and stalled after about 1200 CE. The previously backward Europe overtook it and overran the world because Christianity has moved with the times. It is a part of culture, not above it.
Anyway it looks like Sir Salman is going to lose an eye and some movement in one arm.
very poor comment, basically you support the attack but don't have the courgage of your convictions to say so
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Where did you get that idea from?
Did I say I support this attack?
All I have said above in many posts, is that reaction to what Salman Rushdie wrote is a genuine one. The fact that someone decided to launch a criminal attack on him is exactly that. There are other ways of registering your protest to what Rushdie and/or others have done, attacking him in this way is NOT one of them.
Hope this is clear.
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These people only get attention when certain small portion of Muslim get carried away to avenge. Such attacks don't help Muslim rather make it harder for the rest of us who want to live and follow their religion peacefully instead of worrying about what some nobody is saying about our religion and Prophets.
It is sure disheartening when you listen to Islamophobes in all form and shape, but its a vicious cycle as hate spreading illtolerant people like Rushdie get fame when they get the needed outrage. Don't pay them any attention and they will disappear on their own. They pretend to be experts and use ill ways in the name of freedom of speech which is equally unhealthy for a society as hate breeds hate, but nothing ever justifies attacking a person.
It is sure disheartening when you listen to Islamophobes in all form and shape, but its a vicious cycle as hate spreading illtolerant people like Rushdie get fame when they get the needed outrage. Don't pay them any attention and they will disappear on their own. They pretend to be experts and use ill ways in the name of freedom of speech which is equally unhealthy for a society as hate breeds hate, but nothing ever justifies attacking a person.
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Sir Salman would be considered a great writer without that book though.
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Personally i Dont support the criticism of religious icons or religion. Religion is people's faith and it shouldn't be made fun of. To each his own. But murder for criticising religion?
You will not leave the comforts of a western country but the countries must accept the islamic limits to their freedom? Why? If Muslims move to a non islamic non muslim majority Western country it is their responsibility to mould themselves as per the ways of the land they are living in.
Have the Western nations asked islamic nations to accept their ways?
Basically you want that islamic nations will have laws as per their religion but non islamic nations now must accept and mould their laws as per muslims? You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Protest against Rushdie and his books. Kay be even take him to court. Boycott his events or places where he is honoured. But murder? Killings? It cannot be justified. You as a responsible muslim should atleast try to tell people you know how dangerous this violence is.
You said dont poke the bear. What do you think attacks like this are doing? Its poking the natives of the western countries. You think these will not have widespread ramifications?
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Social and Economic boycott is a good start.
If xyz is publishing the book. Boycott the publisher. If ABC is selling the book boycott the store. If DEF is honouring the author boycott that event and institution.
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Why don't the likes of you understand that freedom cannot be defined as per your religious requirement.
You move to the west for better life then accept their ways too.
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Thats a very honest post. This is why west left others behind. And that applies to hindus too.
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Didn’t MF Husain have to flee india and basically live his last years in Qatar
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Which anti semitic or homophobic books are banned. Name a few
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Exactly, the sub-continent is hardly the beacon of religious tolerance or freedom of speech. Indians have no scoring points on this topic.
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This is actually hilarious and shows that you are just a hack who hasn’t even read the books.
As per most literary experts Satanic Verses is actually not among his great books and actually the controversy has taken the shine away from his genuine great works.
This is happening in US of A and that too in a liberal bastion like NY is very concerning. Not even USA is immune to these terrorists. The perpetrator is clearly brainwashed by individuals in his community. A 23 year old with his whole like ahead of him wastes his life over a brainless act.
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Yes, he did. And that was wrong. It is a sad reality. But he shouldn't have been. I don't understand the point many posters are making.
Are you trying to say that hatred towards Rushdie is ok because others could not exercise their free speech as well?
Because that's what a lot of it sounds like. Not you specifically but the general gist of such rebuttals.
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This makes sense. That's a civilised way to make the point.
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Completely agree with this +1
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Because an FIR was registered against him under IPC 295A.
If we kill those who insult our religious figures then the world will say "this is what your religion teaches you" then they'll increase such hateful activity. The best way is to stop buying their products in hundreds of millions hitting them in the pocket. Nothing hurts more then financial loss.
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There are a billion plus muslims they have the numbers to make this boycott work.
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I can understand if this happened in a third world shet hole country.
But this happening in US of A and that too in a liberal bastion like NY is very concerning. Not even USA is immune to these terrorists. The perpetrator is clearly brainwashed by individuals in his community. A 23 year old with his whole like ahead of him wastes his life over a brainless act. smh.
You remember 9/11 happened in New York (and Washington) right?
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Hatred towards Rushdie is fine as long as it’s words or boycott.
You said many Indians supported MF Hussain FoS so I think the point posters are making is that then many Muslims are also condemning what’s happened. But it’s stupid to expect Muslims to lionize Rushdie
