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[VIDEO] Matthew Hayden "130KpH deliveries in IPL, different cup of tea when facing Shaheen Afridi"

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Interesting thought from Hayden regarding the pace of most of the bowlers in the IPL and then suddenly having to face the likes of Shaheen Shah Afridi.

Matthew Hayden "The Indian batters had been facing 130KpH deliveries for the last month during the IPL. It's a different cup of tea when you are facing someone running and bowling at Shaheen Shah Afridi's pace"

It's 11 minutes 20 seconds into the video.

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Matthew Hayden on Pakistan squad's sense of spirituality:

"More than anything, that you have not seen in an Australian dressing room, is that the whole culture is underpinned by this fantastic sense of spirituality in spirit. Every day, bar none there is this unbelievable discipline... You can be walking to the lift, and there will be prayer time and at the base of the lift, there will be whole of the team praying in unison. Its a phenomenal cultural experience for me personally. To see the way they engage with each other, and the way they engage with their own sense of spirituality in purpose around their country is phenomenal"

"There is a great respect for the game of cricket (amongst Pakistan players), and from my point of view, I went in very softly and waited for the players to start requesting certain things - mindsets have often been major topics of discussion with them, because really what can I do about techniques in such a short time. I don't want to be tinkering with technique but you can certainly be tinkering around mindsets. They are very coachable and there has never been anything come back to me like, you know coach, you've had your go and sorry we're thinking this or that"

"That word coachable is significant because we also have quite a diverse group of players. We've got players who I played against - Shoaib Malik and Mohammad Hafeez, the two guys who are well into their 40s. Those guys have such fantastic input into the group. Rightfully so, Babar Azam is a really solid leader. He's no fuss, he's not anxious about things. He goes into his own performances, he requires humility"

"There is a language barrier, and its worth acknowledging but there are some boys who are fantastic in their capabilities around translation. The other day I had a long chat with young Haider Ali, he has language barrier but Hafeez translated that entire conversation. If you speak slowly and precisely and explain things, then you get your point across. Cricket is such a visual game and words mean nothing and if there is a tip you want to relay then body language, hand signals and temperament is part thereof the challenge that bridges the gap between words as such but we all learn the game by looking at yourself or others and you replicate and go forward like that"

"You have the young Haris Rauf who has played in the BBL, who came from the humble beginnings of playing tape-ball cricket which they play in Pakistan, he never played hard-ball cricket and he got spotted, and suddenly now he is bowling 150Kph for his country and there is a string of young fast-bowlers just like him who are sitting in the wings who want to be like Shoaib Akhtar - they want to be Brett Lee. They have zero governance on their accelerator - they want to bowl fast and God love them because its next level in T20s where average bowling gets punished and great bowling gets rewarded"
 
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I get what he's saying but like.... Anrich Nortje? Lockie Ferguson? Umran Malik? All pushed 150 consistently this year
 
Thats not going to go down well with certain people. OOoooof. This is going to sting. :yk
 
International cricket is of a different intensity. Yes of course Shaheen was bowling faster than most, but he was pumped up and going for the kill. His teammates were also pumped up and there was a lot on the line for both sides. Facing that type of bowling under that type of pressure is the peak of cricket. The IPL can't compete with that.

Theres a reason why the top guns of IPL such as pollard, ABDV etc average less in international cricket.
 
I guess he means that when most of the bowlers are around 130KpH you sort of get used to that pace.
 
Shaheen is brilliant. No doubt about that.
India doesn't have any left arm fast bowler who can ball with his speed and accuracy.

However this 130kph speed in IPL is a bit funny.
I mean Nortje, Ferguson, Rabada, Malik, Shami were bowling with good pace in IPL.
 
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Theres a reason why the top guns of IPL such as pollard, ABDV etc average less in international cricket.

theres always one or two weak bowlers at domestic level u can bully, at international level its very rare for a top team to have a loose bowler.

that makes a huge difference because you forced to take risks against good bowlers.

having said that i miss matty hayden walking down to seam bowlers, dude had the presence of a heavyweight boxer.
 
Shaheen is brilliant. No doubt about that.
India doesn't have any left arm fast bowler who can ball with his speed and accuracy.

However this 130kph speed in IPL is a bit funny.
I mean Nortje, Ferguson, Rabada, Malik, Shami were bowling with good pace in IPL.

Yes thats probably one bowler per team max Its not sustained throughout the team N its not sustainable for several weeks of an IPL

Hasan had a poor day but there were no weak links the other day like you would get in a long domestic tournament

There was quality from shaheen backed up by imad, rauf, shadab hafeez etc Pakistans fielding was electric too They were very up for it

You dont get that level of quality intensity n pace many times
 
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ipl have some quick bowlers from other nations but don't think they will push themselves compared to playing for national colors
 
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Shaheen is brilliant. No doubt about that.
India doesn't have any left arm fast bowler who can ball with his speed and accuracy.

However this 130kph speed in IPL is a bit funny.
I mean Nortje, Ferguson, Rabada, Malik, Shami were bowling with good pace in IPL.

Does Shami bowl 145+ pluss
Anyways Pakistan has 3 bowlers who bowl at that speed in this squad.
 
Dean Jones being mentioned in there by Hayden, I do miss his love and passion for Pakistan cricket! He would def have been over the moon for Pakistan after the India and NZ wins and I am sure if he was alive, he would have been a much better limited overs/T20 batting coach (candidate) than Hayden. He was the epitom of an ODI batsman, a live wire just like Rizwan but with a much better technique!
 
He probably means Left arm pacers


the IPL left arm pacers were 135-140kph at best
 
He's absolutely right, 90% of IPL fast bowlers are fairly average and they bowl at 130-135 pace. So batsmen don't have to worry about the rare 140+ bowlers because they get plenty of opportunities to bat against medicore bowlers in every game.
 
very good talk to listen, thanks for posting here . Haden was right , Dean Jones would have been very happy to see Pakistan playing at this level in WC.
 
It is true that a majority of IPL bowlers bowl around the 135k range. But there are those who bowl absolute gas like Nortje, Lockie, Rabada and even the recent youngster Umran Malik. This is more of a lazy clickbait analysis by Hayden.

The Indian batsmen aren't cowed down by sheer pace and guys like Rohit and Rahul have faced plenty of that in Australia. This is not the 90s India anymore when Indian batsmen used to struggle against pace and bounce. Starc received the biggest phainta in the recent tours to Australia and he is the quickest Australian bowler.

The truth is, India got cleaned up by Pakistan, not just in the last match, but also in the CT final because of one simple reason. Indian batsmen have one big weakness - left arm pacers who bring the ball in to the right handers. This happened in CT vs Amir, happened in one Asia cup low scoring T20 game vs Amir when India were chasing 90 odd something, happened numerous times vs Boult, more famously in the world cup semifinal and then it has happened last week vs Shaheen.

Indian batsmen generally struggle against two types of pace bowling - left arm pacers who bowl full and swing the ball in ala Amir/Shaheen/Boult and right arm pacers who pitch it at good length and take the ball away ala Anderson/Hazlewood/Cummins.

The second one is more of a general weakness for most batsmen worldwide but the first one is a specific one because India hasn't had a decent left armer since Zaheer. It used to have plenty like Zaheer, Nehra, RP Singh and Pathan in the past but the current generation of Indian quicks are all right armers and therefore the Indian batsmen aren't used to facing the left arm angle. It is why when they suddenly face a good bowler with left arm angle who brings the ball in to the right handers, their head falls over to the offside and they get either bowled or lbw.
 
I just think Pakistan team and their think tank should put their heads down and focus on the next game.

Slagging IPL because you won one game is poor strategy.

These players - Rohit, Kohli, Rahul - are not intimidated by pace as we saw in Australia for example. They are professional enough to switch their mindset from IPL.

We just have to give credit to Pakistan for being great on the day, and then move on. Potential banana skin in Afghanistan awaits.

A bit of humility, without losing your hunger to win, is a better strategy to adopt at this point.
 
Where were the 36 (or something like this) better bowler than Naseem Shah, Haris Rauf etc ?
They don't play these leagues?
 
Ek match kya jite india se world cup m kuch log hawa m udne lag gye .just wait for fews more day .
 
Ek match kya jite india se world cup m kuch log hawa m udne lag gye .just wait for fews more day .
It's Hayden who said that and he won plenty of matches against India. Stating facts has nothing to do with winning or loosing. It's just that Indian can't take losses properly.
 
Where were the 36 (or something like this) better bowler than Naseem Shah, Haris Rauf etc ?
They don't play these leagues?

Jaidev Unadkat
Vinay Kumar
Shadab Jakati
Rajat Bhatia
Rahul Tewatia
Lalit Yadav
Arshdeep Singh
Murugan Ashwin

Do you want me to go on?
 
batting in ipl is different. if you miss one match you can compensate in another as you have more than 15 matches. the real pressure and intensity is missing.
 
It is true that a majority of IPL bowlers bowl around the 135k range. But there are those who bowl absolute gas like Nortje, Lockie, Rabada and even the recent youngster Umran Malik. This is more of a lazy clickbait analysis by Hayden.

The Indian batsmen aren't cowed down by sheer pace and guys like Rohit and Rahul have faced plenty of that in Australia. This is not the 90s India anymore when Indian batsmen used to struggle against pace and bounce. Starc received the biggest phainta in the recent tours to Australia and he is the quickest Australian bowler.

The truth is, India got cleaned up by Pakistan, not just in the last match, but also in the CT final because of one simple reason. Indian batsmen have one big weakness - left arm pacers who bring the ball in to the right handers. This happened in CT vs Amir, happened in one Asia cup low scoring T20 game vs Amir when India were chasing 90 odd something, happened numerous times vs Boult, more famously in the world cup semifinal and then it has happened last week vs Shaheen.

Indian batsmen generally struggle against two types of pace bowling - left arm pacers who bowl full and swing the ball in ala Amir/Shaheen/Boult and right arm pacers who pitch it at good length and take the ball away ala Anderson/Hazlewood/Cummins.

The second one is more of a general weakness for most batsmen worldwide but the first one is a specific one because India hasn't had a decent left armer since Zaheer. It used to have plenty like Zaheer, Nehra, RP Singh and Pathan in the past but the current generation of Indian quicks are all right armers and therefore the Indian batsmen aren't used to facing the left arm angle. It is why when they suddenly face a good bowler with left arm angle who brings the ball in to the right handers, their head falls over to the offside and they get either bowled or lbw.

Great analysis. Something I had been thinking of a little bit myself.

Although Nehra, Zaheer, RP and Pathan weren't great by any measure, they atleast provided Indian batsmen with an idea of what it is like to face left-arm pace.

And because India play Pakistan so less, the idea of facing someone like Shaheen---who has improved leaps and bounds since India last played him at the Asia Cup 3 years ago---becomes an even more terrifying prospect. I don't care how many videos you watch. A first over from Shaheen, a bowler with the highest propensity in the world to strike in his first is simply not a positive match-up for an Indian opener. And especially not a right-handed one.
 
I just think Pakistan team and their think tank should put their heads down and focus on the next game.

Slagging IPL because you won one game is poor strategy.

These players - Rohit, Kohli, Rahul - are not intimidated by pace as we saw in Australia for example. They are professional enough to switch their mindset from IPL.

We just have to give credit to Pakistan for being great on the day, and then move on. Potential banana skin in Afghanistan awaits.

A bit of humility, without losing your hunger to win, is a better strategy to adopt at this point.

They did focus on the next game, this interview was after the India game and they went on to win the match against the kiwis.

One thing hayden has continually said is how humble the team is and how he was surprised at the lack of celebrations after the India game.

They want to win and seem to be displaying the right characteristics from an attitude perspective.
 
Does Shami bowl 145+ pluss
Anyways Pakistan has 3 bowlers who bowl at that speed in this squad.

If Shami is not as fast as Shaheen, his usual speed is not 130 either. But who balls faster between Shami and Shaheen is not the discussion here.
Hayden generalized all bowlers of IPL and that include bowlers I mentioned above as well.

Even Pak fans who were criticizing Rauf, calling him spray gun before Ind-Pak match are now praising him. Which is right because he did well in the match.

But if you think Shaheen, Rauf, Hassan will perform similarly everytime they play against India is too much. Do you think Indian batters have never played against that kinda speed?
Some day Indian batsmen will perform better and some day Pak bowlers.
That's how cricket is. Unpredictable.
 
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I get what he's saying but like.... Anrich Nortje? Lockie Ferguson? Umran Malik? All pushed 150 consistently this year

I odn't think they consistently pushed 150...consistently being the key word here. Any stats on that?

But the difference is also the quality coming your way. Pakistan has consistently produced the best t20 bowlers going...and they have consistently not played in the IPL. It's one thing to smash sixes on small boundaries on the flat pitches of India, another thing to do it on the lower, slower wickets of the UAE against fired up international attacks. It's what I spoke about some posts ago in the build up to the match.
 
They did focus on the next game, this interview was after the India game and they went on to win the match against the kiwis.

One thing hayden has continually said is how humble the team is and how he was surprised at the lack of celebrations after the India game.

They want to win and seem to be displaying the right characteristics from an attitude perspective.

That interview on Fox Sports was exceptional. Hayden was clearly moved by the humble backstage behaviour, by the fact that some players could not find a place to pray so did so next to an elevator. I was moved just listening to it.
 
India doesnt pick its pace battery for T20s and instead, resorts to trundlers.

Bumrah (curremtly out of form
Siraj
Avesh
Prasidh
Tyagi

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Umran (raw)
Umesh (spraygun who can bowl occasional great spells)

Bhuvi got carted even in IPLs yet he is picked here.

Indian management is simply shameless.

Shaheen is fabulous but issue is we suck againt lefties.

Not cos he is fast per se.
 
India doesnt pick its pace battery for T20s and instead, resorts to trundlers.

Bumrah (curremtly out of form
Siraj
Avesh
Prasidh
Tyagi

----

Umran (raw)
Umesh (spraygun who can bowl occasional great spells)

Bhuvi got carted even in IPLs yet he is picked here.

Indian management is simply shameless.

Shaheen is fabulous but issue is we suck againt lefties.

Not cos he is fast per se.

What happened to that Varun Aaron?
 
I think it has more to do with pace together with swing (Shaheen) and then bowling at extreme pace with slower balls (Haris)..

Also this is about T20's and when you have really fast bowlers able to ball a good slower ball, the batsmen, who are looking to launch, will often get deceived. Mills and Jordan are two others that do this.

These bowlers get success in T20's for that reason.

As I don't watch IPL I don't know if the bowlers do the same thing or are capable of doing it..
 
Funny thing is IPL fans can't call Hayden jealous because he knows what he is talking about. He played few seasons of IPL. :genius

International cricket will always be better than these 2 minutes pyjama noodles matches. :inti
 
I like what Hayden is saying about velocity and attacking bowling. We really needed Waqar and Misbah out.

Listening to Waqar, even recently on the pavilion, he has a real defeatist and defensive mindset. He keeps talking about it’s too hard to bowl the full length because batsmen have too many shots nowadays. Even in test matches he says it’s all about right areas, building pressure etc.

Ironically this is almost the complete opposite of what he was in his pomp.

I’ve been saying for a while that we need non pakistanis advising our bowlers. Our local coaches have this real defensive mindset nowadays trying too hard to be too clever
 
Hayden point will become even more valid in future when we will have 10 IPL teams and the quality of cricket will be even more diluted.

For some posters above its not that there are not fast bowlers in the IPL its most of the bowlers bowl at slower pace so IPL being so close to the WT20 it may take some time for the batsmen to adjust even though they are generally good players of fast bowling and in T20s you get less time to adjust.
 
IPL has lot of fast bowlers...Hayden has lost it. Indian batsman historically struggle with left arm seamers as our players dont face them much in domestic cricket. Amir, Boult, Shaheen, Wahab all troubled us. Infact I am worried about Namibia's left arm seamers the way they were swinging yesterday against Scotland. Pace dosent bother Indian batsman as long as its right arm over the wicket.

Anyway, hopefully no more IPL money for Hayden from next season. Keep earning and brown nosing PCB.
 
I just think Pakistan team and their think tank should put their heads down and focus on the next game.

Slagging IPL because you won one game is poor strategy.

These players - Rohit, Kohli, Rahul - are not intimidated by pace as we saw in Australia for example. They are professional enough to switch their mindset from IPL.

We just have to give credit to Pakistan for being great on the day, and then move on. Potential banana skin in Afghanistan awaits.

A bit of humility, without losing your hunger to win, is a better strategy to adopt at this point.

No Pakistani player mentioned IPL. It was Hayden that has held commentary stints with IPL and is now a batting consultant.

Learn to seperate the two.
 
IPL has lot of fast bowlers...Hayden has lost it. Indian batsman historically struggle with left arm seamers as our players dont face them much in domestic cricket. Amir, Boult, Shaheen, Wahab all troubled us. Infact I am worried about Namibia's left arm seamers the way they were swinging yesterday against Scotland. Pace dosent bother Indian batsman as long as its right arm over the wicket.

Anyway, hopefully no more IPL money for Hayden from next season. Keep earning and brown nosing PCB.

Ok so IPL gives them money to praise India and Indian cricket? That explains why many of them go out of their way to praise a low quality league like IPL. :inti
 
Ok so IPL gives them money to praise India and Indian cricket? That explains why many of them go out of their way to praise a low quality league like IPL. :inti

No one is asking him to praise Indian cricket but he need not do bakwaas. What did he meant by players are used to 130 KPH in IPL? Does Nortje, Rabada, Cummins, Bumrah, Starc, Umran etc bowls at 130s? Its clear he is is playing to the galleries now since PCB is paying him. Come IPL time he will change his stance.

Pakistan was lucky with the toss and Shaheen bowled well on top. There is nothing more or nothing less into this story. Didnt Virat (who struggled all IPL) clobbered him for a six down the ground? Didnt an out of form IPL player Surya Yadav pulled him for a six?

Hayden is simply milking the moment and gullibale ones are falling for it.
 
IPL has lot of fast bowlers...Hayden has lost it. Indian batsman historically struggle with left arm seamers as our players dont face them much in domestic cricket. Amir, Boult, Shaheen, Wahab all troubled us. Infact I am worried about Namibia's left arm seamers the way they were swinging yesterday against Scotland. Pace dosent bother Indian batsman as long as its right arm over the wicket.

Anyway, hopefully no more IPL money for Hayden from next season. Keep earning and brown nosing PCB.

Probably the reason IPL is not getting total and complete respect because they want to buy it rather than earn it.

Hayden did not say anything wrong, nor he tried to downgrade IPL, he gave his opinion, an honest opinion, which is playing in IPL or any other league is not the same as playing an international cricket for the country, pressure is different, quality is better, and it brings out better game from almost every player.

PCB did not ask him to brown nose, it seems any criticism of IPL, well any praise of Pakistan while using IPL as comparison bring out the worse of some Indians and the defensive reply has always been, we will not let you earn from IPL. Immature to say the least.
 
Probably the reason IPL is not getting total and complete respect because they want to buy it rather than earn it.

Hayden did not say anything wrong, nor he tried to downgrade IPL, he gave his opinion, an honest opinion, which is playing in IPL or any other league is not the same as playing an international cricket for the country, pressure is different, quality is better, and it brings out better game from almost every player.

PCB did not ask him to brown nose, it seems any criticism of IPL, well any praise of Pakistan while using IPL as comparison bring out the worse of some Indians and the defensive reply has always been, we will not let you earn from IPL. Immature to say the least.

Spot on seem like certain posters are trying to read too much in between the lines and are coming up with their own conspiracies, not once did he mock or criticise ipl, he said international bowling is a different kettle of fish especially at that pace, and he is 100% correct with his statement. Nothing more nothing less
 
Probably the reason IPL is not getting total and complete respect because they want to buy it rather than earn it.

Hayden did not say anything wrong, nor he tried to downgrade IPL, he gave his opinion, an honest opinion, which is playing in IPL or any other league is not the same as playing an international cricket for the country, pressure is different, quality is better, and it brings out better game from almost every player.

PCB did not ask him to brown nose, it seems any criticism of IPL, well any praise of Pakistan while using IPL as comparison bring out the worse of some Indians and the defensive reply has always been, we will not let you earn from IPL. Immature to say the least.

You have hit the nail on the head. Some of them are so sensitive and get hurt pretty easily. Even an Indian criticising IPL looks like a Pakistani to them. :inti
 
This was nice to watch:

Matthew Hayden "inside the changing room I've never seen a more disciplined and more humble approach to winning"

Stay humble.
 
Hayden is right. The difference in the IPL is you will have some games where clearly the bowlers average 130. You will have games where the odd bowler clearly is above 140 (Ferguson, Boult etc). But typically, the bowlers average 130. In international t20, you face teams with Cummins, Starc, Hazelwood, or Rauf, Shaheen, Hasan - meaning a more sustained speed attack.
 
This was nice to watch:

Matthew Hayden "inside the changing room I've never seen a more disciplined and more humble approach to winning"

Stay humble.

To me, as a fan, is the most appreciative and also aggressive change in such a short time. This will produce more positive results, should be ingrained in every player and the only way to do is by having experienced player demonstrating this quality in the dressing room.
 
Shaheen is a special bowler.

It's not just the speed that he has, but it's also the control he presents with the new ball. He more often than not looks a threat in his first over.

In addition, he has that ability to swing the ball both ways, bowl excellent yorkers and has a sharp bouncer.

He's a batters nightmare.
 
Hayden's point about Shaheen is right but he failed to talk about his skills here.

Those who are demeaning IPL bowlers quality here are actually disrespecting one of the finest T20 spells that has been ever bowled. It was a bowling of highest skills sets which is why I have always regarded Shaheen as extremely special bowler.

In contrast, if you want a fast bowler with no brain and skill, then there is a Naseem Shah, which is why all these talks of putting Shaheen and Naseem in same league over the past 18 months by PPers was ridiculous. There is a gulf of difference between the two and only me and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] went with the right choice of option in this case.
 
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The dearth of quality left arm pacers in IPL would be a more appropriate argument. There is a lack of skillful domestic left arm pacer in India.

However, last year in IPL Final, Trent Boult did produced a magical spell which got the wickets of Shaw, Dhawan and Rahane cheaply and sealed the game for Mumbai Indians.
 
IPL has lot of fast bowlers...Hayden has lost it. Indian batsman historically struggle with left arm seamers as our players dont face them much in domestic cricket. Amir, Boult, Shaheen, Wahab all troubled us. Infact I am worried about Namibia's left arm seamers the way they were swinging yesterday against Scotland. Pace dosent bother Indian batsman as long as its right arm over the wicket.

Anyway, hopefully no more IPL money for Hayden from next season. Keep earning and brown nosing PCB.

Why being so sensitive? Just because you lost, you don't want Hayden to earn money from IPL?
 
It is true that a majority of IPL bowlers bowl around the 135k range. But there are those who bowl absolute gas like Nortje, Lockie, Rabada and even the recent youngster Umran Malik. This is more of a lazy clickbait analysis by Hayden.

The Indian batsmen aren't cowed down by sheer pace and guys like Rohit and Rahul have faced plenty of that in Australia. This is not the 90s India anymore when Indian batsmen used to struggle against pace and bounce. Starc received the biggest phainta in the recent tours to Australia and he is the quickest Australian bowler.

The truth is, India got cleaned up by Pakistan, not just in the last match, but also in the CT final because of one simple reason. Indian batsmen have one big weakness - left arm pacers who bring the ball in to the right handers. This happened in CT vs Amir, happened in one Asia cup low scoring T20 game vs Amir when India were chasing 90 odd something, happened numerous times vs Boult, more famously in the world cup semifinal and then it has happened last week vs Shaheen.

Indian batsmen generally struggle against two types of pace bowling - left arm pacers who bowl full and swing the ball in ala Amir/Shaheen/Boult and right arm pacers who pitch it at good length and take the ball away ala Anderson/Hazlewood/Cummins.

The second one is more of a general weakness for most batsmen worldwide but the first one is a specific one because India hasn't had a decent left armer since Zaheer. It used to have plenty like Zaheer, Nehra, RP Singh and Pathan in the past but the current generation of Indian quicks are all right armers and therefore the Indian batsmen aren't used to facing the left arm angle. It is why when they suddenly face a good bowler with left arm angle who brings the ball in to the right handers, their head falls over to the offside and they get either bowled or lbw.
Isn’t Starc also a left-armer who brings the ball to right handers at much pace than the other bowlers you mentioned? So how did India did well against him?
 
Isn’t Starc also a left-armer who brings the ball to right handers at much pace than the other bowlers you mentioned? So how did India did well against him?

Starc doesn't produce nearly as much swing as the bowlers I've mentioned. His action is a lot mode slingy, catapult like similar to Mitchell Johnson and these guys weren't necessarily known for their prodigious swing unlike Boult, Amir and Shaheen lately all of whom in swing friendly conditions can run through a batting line up, more so the former duo. Otherwise there's no reason why Indian batsmen struggle against Boult who bowls mostly 132-135k range and play Starc extremely well whose average speed is 145k+. Swing has always been the bigger weakness for Indian batsmen compared to pace and bounce.
 
Starc doesn't produce nearly as much swing as the bowlers I've mentioned. His action is a lot mode slingy, catapult like similar to Mitchell Johnson and these guys weren't necessarily known for their prodigious swing unlike Boult, Amir and Shaheen lately all of whom in swing friendly conditions can run through a batting line up, more so the former duo. Otherwise there's no reason why Indian batsmen struggle against Boult who bowls mostly 132-135k range and play Starc extremely well whose average speed is 145k+. Swing has always been the bigger weakness for Indian batsmen compared to pace and bounce.
Swing is known to be modern batsmens’ achilles heel. What I am trying to say is it doesn’t matter if its coming from a left armer or right armer. Plenty of right hander swing bowlers like Philander ( who bowled even slower than Boult) have given India trouble.
 
Matt Hayden's birthday being celebrated by Pakistan squad

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Hayden is probably trying to impress his new boss.
He is indirectly insulting hardwork done by Nortje, Ferguson, Rabada, Umran in the IPL..
Even the likes of Avesh, Umesh, Saini, Shami, Burmah are quicker than many Pakistani counterparts.
 
Hayden is probably trying to impress his new boss.
He is indirectly insulting hardwork done by Nortje, Ferguson, Rabada, Umran in the IPL..
Even the likes of Avesh, Umesh, Saini, Shami, Burmah are quicker than many Pakistani counterparts.

Lol. Stop living in a fool's world please.
It ain't good for you.
 
Pace is not the issue for Indian batters anymore. It's the movement in the air and off the pitch that troubles them most of the times. Rahul, Rohit , Pant, SKY all are brilliant players of express pace bowling.

I guess Haydos is just trying to stir the pot..
 
Hayden is probably trying to impress his new boss.
He is indirectly insulting hardwork done by Nortje, Ferguson, Rabada, Umran in the IPL..
Even the likes of Avesh, Umesh, Saini, Shami, Burmah are quicker than many Pakistani counterparts.

I think Hayden is talking about the average pace in IPL. You are not unbiased. :inti
 
Shaheen from what I have seen has always been 137-141 kph range bowler on an avg. How come he is constantly bowling at 150+ this world cup? You don't simply add 10 kph speed overnight without change in bowling action...it is bound to take a toll on your body. Harris Rauf for example was always quick and so the speeds he is bowling here is along expected lines.

But Shaheen's case is a bit mystery to me. :13:
 
Shaheen from what I have seen has always been 137-141 kph range bowler on an avg. How come he is constantly bowling at 150+ this world cup? You don't simply add 10 kph speed overnight without change in bowling action...it is bound to take a toll on your body. Harris Rauf for example was always quick and so the speeds he is bowling here is along expected lines.

But Shaheen's case is a bit mystery to me. :13:

Shaheen in Tests is definitely as you say a 137-141 bowler with the odd spells of 145+. But I have seen him crank it up to 147+ in T20s many times before because he knows he only has 24 balls to deliver.

He was particularly quick against England in 2020 and 2021 T20is and he knew he had to be because English batsmen are ruthless.
 
Hayden is probably trying to impress his new boss.
He is indirectly insulting hardwork done by Nortje, Ferguson, Rabada, Umran in the IPL..
Even the likes of Avesh, Umesh, Saini, Shami, Burmah are quicker than many Pakistani counterparts.

None of the bowlers you have mentioned are faster than Pakistani counterparts besides Nortje. Umran has played a few T20s, will be interesting to see if he is still a 150kmh bowler next year or he has changed himself to adapt.
 
None of the bowlers you have mentioned are faster than Pakistani counterparts besides Nortje. Umran has played a few T20s, will be interesting to see if he is still a 150kmh bowler next year or he has changed himself to adapt.

Ferguson is pretty rapid too.
 
Hayden is probably trying to impress his new boss.
He is indirectly insulting hardwork done by Nortje, Ferguson, Rabada, Umran in the IPL..
Even the likes of Avesh, Umesh, Saini, Shami, Burmah are quicker than many Pakistani counterparts.

Lmao wake up & smell the coffee…
 
Hayden is probably trying to impress his new boss.
He is indirectly insulting hardwork done by Nortje, Ferguson, Rabada, Umran in the IPL..
Even the likes of Avesh, Umesh, Saini, Shami, Burmah are quicker than many Pakistani counterparts.

Jaidev Unadkat
Vinay Kumar
Shadab Jakati
Rajat Bhatia
Rahul Tewatia
Lalit Yadav
Arshdeep Singh
Murugan Ashwin

Do you want me to go on?
You mentioned 7 Indian pacers who bowl 150kph “apparently” how many international wickets do they share between them??
😂😂😂😂 wake up dude
 
International cricket is of a different intensity. Yes of course Shaheen was bowling faster than most, but he was pumped up and going for the kill. His teammates were also pumped up and there was a lot on the line for both sides. Facing that type of bowling under that type of pressure is the peak of cricket. The IPL can't compete with that.

Theres a reason why the top guns of IPL such as pollard, ABDV etc average less in international cricket.

But but but, we were told that IPL >> T20I.
 
Someone needs to really have a look at these IPL speed guns.
This kuldeep sen was touted as a 150 kph bowler. He is barely 135 kph.
First umran malik and now this guy. Those ipl speed guns sure as dodgy as hell.
 
Someone needs to really have a look at these IPL speed guns.
This kuldeep sen was touted as a 150 kph bowler. He is barely 135 kph.
First umran malik and now this guy. Those ipl speed guns sure as dodgy as hell.

How dare you question the authenticity of IPL speed guns and indian phaaaast bowlers? There are 38 bowlers better and faster than Naseem Shah in the IPL! I will write to the BCCI to take legal action against you for questioning our 100mph bowlers. They are mildly slower in international cricket because we dont want to injure opposition players!
 
Someone needs to really have a look at these IPL speed guns.
This kuldeep sen was touted as a 150 kph bowler. He is barely 135 kph.
First umran malik and now this guy. Those ipl speed guns sure as dodgy as hell.

On Day 1 of Rawalpindi test , speed guns showed Muhammad Ali bowling at 145 kph when anybody can see he is barely 125 kph

May be you should check ur own speed guns first !
 
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