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[VIDEO] New Zealand strongly placed on 286/3 at Stumps on Day 2 of the 2nd Test against Pakistan

This is absolutely awful to watch. I never thought the day would come when I look forward to watching Pakistan bat and can feel shameful checking the scorecard when we bowl. The next 2-3 years should be considered a sacrifice for our bowling. Flood the team with trundlers such as Waqas Maqsood, Tabish Khan and Aamer Yamin who can bowl 128-132 kph on a decent line and length. Naseem and Shaheen should be banished to domestic cricket, and place a priority on ensuring that these brainless and low IQ KPK fast bowlers don't get anywhere near the national team for 4-5 years until they develop some cricketing intelligence. As well as this, it is my wish that this trundler Abbas receives a lifetime ban from any form of cricket in Pakistan for bringing shame to our fast bowling.

Even India had to go through this period when they picked the likes of RP Singh, Sreesanth, Praveen Kumar, the garbage versions of Yadav and Ishant etc. But in the end the national shame was worth it because they managed to groom a series of promising fast bowlers who can take them forward for a while.
 
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D/DAhmed said:
This is absolutely awful to watch. I never thought the day would come when I look forward to watching Pakistan bat and can feel shameful checking the scorecard when we bowl. The next 2-3 years should be considered a sacrifice for our bowling. Flood the team with trundlers such as Waqas Maqsood, Tabish Khan and Aamer Yamin who can bowl 128-132 kph on a decent line and length. Naseem and Shaheen should be banished to domestic cricket, and place a priority on ensuring that these brainless and low IQ KPK fast bowlers don't get anywhere near the national team for 4-5 years until they develop some cricketing intelligence. As well as this, it is my wish that this trundler Abbas receives a lifetime ban from any form of cricket in Pakistan for bringing shame to our fast bowling.

Even India had to go through this period when they picked the likes of RP Singh, Sreesanth, Praveen Kumar, the garbage versions of Yadav and Ishant etc. But in the end the national shame was worth it because they managed to groom a series of promising fast bowlers who can take them forward for a while. Similarly, we should focus on finding such bowlers, preferably from Punjab region (as these bowlers seem to have the intelligence required for Test cricket), whilst developing the young lot in domestic cricket.
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I get the anger but PAkistan dont have anyone to replace Shaheen whos average himself in tests but beggars can never be chosers
 
Waisay has the pitch eased up compared to the first day or are the Pakistani bowlers by and large not good enough to take advantage of anything on offer?
 
Savak said:
Waisay has the pitch eased up compared to the first day or are the Pakistani bowlers by and large not good enough to take advantage of anything on offer?
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CAse of rubbish bowling and some really awful captaincy
 
hur rizvi said:
I get the anger but PAkistan dont have anyone to replace Shaheen whos average himself in tests but beggars can never be chosers
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It doesn't matter. Regardless of whether we have Shaheen or not, we will concede 400+ in every innings. Just like all the KPK bowlers, he has the ability but no intelligence. He needs to go back to play domestic cricket, in the meantime we should line up with a bowling attack of Aamer Yamin, Waqas Maqsood and Hasan Ali. Bilawal Iqbal and Tabish Khan can be backups. We'll still concede 400+ everywhere, but at least it gives these pathetic youngsters some time to develop so we can actually see if they make something of themselves. Right now I consider them as a source of shame for all Pakistan, and Abbas as a traitor to the nation.
 
Savak said:
Waisay has the pitch eased up compared to the first day or are the Pakistani bowlers by and large not good enough to take advantage of anything on offer?
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If they declare now, we will be 20/3 in 15 overs. But I will it to your good judgement to decide whether that will be because of our batsmen or their bowlers ;)

It’s a good batting strip and with the sun out in all its glory the square has really hardened. We saw this yesterday that it is a square conducive to stroke making if the appropriate deliveries are chosen.

PAK’s only option here is to try and match or get to within 50 runs of NZD’s 1st innings total in our 2nd innings. That should mean a target of 250 on what will, hopefully, be a crumbling square.

But not sure if Rizwan is cognisant of this. Seemed like he was visibly frustrated with the fielders and Naseem.
 
Savak said:
Waisay has the pitch eased up compared to the first day or are the Pakistani bowlers by and large not good enough to take advantage of anything on offer?
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Pitch has surely eased up, but 2 wickets when NZ was 70-100 runs would have changed the game. Last 100 runs have been total freebies from Pakistan.
 
Mamoon said:
We deserve this humiliation.
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Question for you as a resident of the province, what is the reason that KPK keeps producing such brainless, low-IQ cricketers such as Shaheen, Naseem, Shinwari, Khushdil, Musa, Fakhar Zaman etc? Is it due to the quality of coaching at youth level, or something else?
 
Abbas has an insanely good Test and FC record. 22 & 20. World-class numbers.
 
Whoever said, I hope Williamson scores a hundred, but Pakistan wins the game... your wish has come half true :amla
 
D/DAhmed said:
Question for you as a resident of the province, what is the reason that KPK keeps producing such brainless, low-IQ cricketers such as Shaheen, Naseem, Shinwari, Khushdil, Musa, Fakhar Zaman etc? Is it due to the quality of coaching at youth level, or something else?
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That’s a comment in very poor taste. You should take it back.
 
3-4 wickets with the new ball will bring Pakistan back in this game. If not then the game is done.
 
What makes this tour painful is that when India lost in NZ, their bowling by an large was very good, they lost because of their batting but there is no doubt that Pakistan's bowling has been absolutely horrible and the selectors have to punish players for not delivering. Cricket is all about performance and current form. All succesfull teams prioritize current form and drop out of form players with immediate effect rather than playing them on past performances
 
Snatch said:
Abbas has an insanely good Test and FC record. 22 & 20. World-class numbers.
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He was at one point in time after 2018 averaging 17-18 in test cricket, his test average has shot up by 4 runs in the last 2 years
 
hur rizvi said:
I get the anger but PAkistan dont have anyone to replace Shaheen whos average himself in tests but beggars can never be chosers
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D/DAhmed said:
This is absolutely awful to watch. I never thought the day would come when I look forward to watching Pakistan bat and can feel shameful checking the scorecard when we bowl. The next 2-3 years should be considered a sacrifice for our bowling. Flood the team with trundlers such as Waqas Maqsood, Tabish Khan and Aamer Yamin who can bowl 128-132 kph on a decent line and length. Naseem and Shaheen should be banished to domestic cricket, and place a priority on ensuring that these brainless and low IQ KPK fast bowlers don't get anywhere near the national team for 4-5 years until they develop some cricketing intelligence. As well as this, it is my wish that this trundler Abbas receives a lifetime ban from any form of cricket in Pakistan for bringing shame to our fast bowling.

Even India had to go through this period when they picked the likes of RP Singh, Sreesanth, Praveen Kumar, the garbage versions of Yadav and Ishant etc. But in the end the national shame was worth it because they managed to groom a series of promising fast bowlers who can take them forward for a while. Similarly, we should focus on finding such bowlers, preferably from Punjab region (as these bowlers seem to have the intelligence required for Test cricket), whilst developing the young lot in domestic cricket.
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Now Naseem is trash I get it but seriously Shaheen too?

I thought there was a consensus among neutrals and Pak fans that he is a potential world class bowler

hell even [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] of all people said that Babar and SSA are the only world class talent in this team

So please dnt put SSA into the mix
 
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MMHS said:
Yasir would have bowled 29 overs out of 80, ..... and scored a hundred, but would have taken a wicket of two.
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True. I guess this wicket simply doesnt offer any turn. Probably why NZ dropped Santner for the extra seamer
 
Savak said:
What makes this tour painful is that when India lost in NZ, their bowling by an large was very good, they lost because of their batting but there is no doubt that Pakistan's bowling has been absolutely horrible and the selectors have to punish players for not delivering. Cricket is all about performance and current form. All succesfull teams prioritize current form and drop out of form players with immediate effect rather than playing them on past performances
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I think with this sort of batting performance if we had Indian bowling NZ would have been in lots of trouble
 
Bigboii said:
Now Naseem is trash I get it but seriously Shaheen too?

I thought there was a consensus among neutrals and Pak fans that he is a potential world class bowler

hell even [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] of all people said that Babar and SSA are the only world class talent in this team

So please dnt put SSA into the mix
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Nah, Shaheen is a good prospect. He should get better with age. He has skills.
 
Unbelievable another freaking drop


Feel so sorry for Shaheen

Who is by million miles the best bowler in this pathetic attack
 
D/DAhmed said:
Question for you as a resident of the province, what is the reason that KPK keeps producing such brainless, low-IQ cricketers such as Shaheen, Naseem, Shinwari, Khushdil, Musa, Fakhar Zaman etc? Is it due to the quality of coaching at youth level, or something else?
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I suspect these posts will be deleted so I will keep my response super brief.

It is not limited to KP only. It is a problem across the country.

The issue is that cricket has been reduced to a poor man, villager sport in Pakistan. These players lack formal education which has stunted their cognitive development.
 
Shaheen is the only shining light in this toothless attack


Can’t believe how a pathetic player such as Nicolls has such amazing luck

He’s been dropped like 7 times this season in international cricket
 
You have to feel for SSA. He is doing his job. Fielding and catching are a big let down.
 
This is why Shaheen getting dropped is madness. He gets good swing/seam with the new ball. He just lacks support from the other bowlers.
 
hur rizvi said:
Rizwan has proven today that he's not capable of handling cptaincy
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Seriously lacks the basic intelligence required for a leadership role. He is playing god forsaken TEST cricket!

Individually, may be a good performer and all, but has no idea of game awareness, game plan, and building an effective strategy.

His IQ was actually quite evident in the presser after the first match.
 
seriously how the hell does he drop that. pakistan haven't been great with the ball but the flatness has been a part of the fielding too. even the nzl batsmen sense it with the way they are batting and running.
 
Cricanalyst1 said:
That’s a comment in very poor taste. You should take it back.
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Ridiculous statement. I am purely talking about cricketing intelligence, and that too in a provincial sense, not an ethnic one (which would definitely be in poor taste). Case in point, Afghanistan are constantly churning out fantastic, intelligent spinners such as Mujeeb-ur-Rahman, Zahir Khan and now Noor Ahmad. KPK has a problem at some level with the majority of cricketers being produced, and needs to be addressed immediately before allowing anyone with a cricketing background in the province to play for Pakistan.
 
D/DAhmed said:
This is absolutely awful to watch. I never thought the day would come when I look forward to watching Pakistan bat and can feel shameful checking the scorecard when we bowl. The next 2-3 years should be considered a sacrifice for our bowling. Flood the team with trundlers such as Waqas Maqsood, Tabish Khan and Aamer Yamin who can bowl 128-132 kph on a decent line and length. Naseem and Shaheen should be banished to domestic cricket, and place a priority on ensuring that these brainless and low IQ KPK fast bowlers don't get anywhere near the national team for 4-5 years until they develop some cricketing intelligence. As well as this, it is my wish that this trundler Abbas receives a lifetime ban from any form of cricket in Pakistan for bringing shame to our fast bowling.

Even India had to go through this period when they picked the likes of RP Singh, Sreesanth, Praveen Kumar, the garbage versions of Yadav and Ishant etc. But in the end the national shame was worth it because they managed to groom a series of promising fast bowlers who can take them forward for a while. Similarly, we should focus on finding such bowlers, preferably from Punjab region (as these bowlers seem to have the intelligence required for Test cricket), whilst developing the young lot in domestic cricket.
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btw what you said is also pretty racist
 
D/DAhmed said:
Question for you as a resident of the province, what is the reason that KPK keeps producing such brainless, low-IQ cricketers such as Shaheen, Naseem, Shinwari, Khushdil, Musa, Fakhar Zaman etc? Is it due to the quality of coaching at youth level, or something else?
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Nothing to do with India but this is still demeaning. KPK has given the raw material that other states couldn’t, it’s for the PCB and it’s coaches yo turn them into racehorses.
 
I have seen some bad days as a Pakistani cricket fan in my time. This ranks right up there. How was that dropped :((
 
What the heck are the bowling coaches doing for these guys

How embarrassing can u get with the amount of no balls everyone is bowling
 
Bigboii said:
Now Naseem is trash I get it but seriously Shaheen too?

I thought there was a consensus among neutrals and Pak fans that he is a potential world class bowler

hell even [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] of all people said that Babar and SSA are the only world class talent in this team

So please dnt put SSA into the mix
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If you're referring to dropped catches, even Naseem has suffered from them this tour and we can see his figures. Shaheen has all the talent in the world and can be an absolutely fantastic bowler, but at this moment has no cricketing intelligence. You can see this with the type of wickets he picks up, not one of them has come from a set-up or plan. He needs to go play domestic cricket and learn this ability, along the lines of what his colleague Arshad Iqbal is currently doing.
 
Well, rip this test match. Haven't watched since NZ were about 120ish for 3. Looks like there've been some dropped catches. So a 212* run partnership between Kane and Nicholls is what happens when Shaheen gets Nicholls out on a no-ball. Great :stokes:ssmith.
 
It’s pointless blaming Shaheen. He’s still raw but a world class prospect. However, no bowler, not even Steyn or Bumrah, can do anything when KW, Smith or Kohli is in zone and fielding is what it is today.
 
Feels like Nicolls can barely balance himself at the crease with his calf injury
 
Rizwan is one of the best keepers in the world. That drop shows that his head is elsewhere. He is burdened by captaincy.
 
Dropped catches strikes again. The bowlers aren't really being supported by the batsmen in the field this series- but the bowlers will get the blame.

But if you need 15 chances to dismiss a team once, they'll get a decent total 8/10 times.
 
Bigboii said:
btw what you said is also pretty racist
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t seems my comment is being taken out of context. Before anyone else comes to this judgement, I am also an ethnic Pathan who has lived in Karachi my whole life. I am referring to the cricketing intelligence on display from KPK cricketers, which has everything to do with quality of coaching and playing and nothing to do with ethnicity or race. As I said, Afghanistan is also producing some real quality spinners with a fantastic understanding of how to set batsmen up. KPK is not, simple as. Until there is a development in facilities and coaching in the province, it makes no sense to call up fast bowlers from here as you risk ruining their careers.
 
D/DAhmed said:
If you're referring to dropped catches, even Naseem has suffered from them this tour and we can see his figures. Shaheen has all the talent in the world and can be an absolutely fantastic bowler, but at this moment has no cricketing intelligence. You can see this with the type of wickets he picks up, not one of them has come from a set-up or plan. He needs to go play domestic cricket and learn this ability, along the lines of what his colleague Arshad Iqbal is currently doing.
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I get where you are coming from thanks for explaining

But unfortunately our team is so garbage we can't even give the poor guy the luxury to develop

Cause if we do we'll end up 300-1 type scores on a regular basis

He atleast takes a couple of wickets up front to keep it entertaining for a short while....
 
Mamoon said:
Rizwan is one of the best keepers in the world. That drop shows that his head is elsewhere. He is burdened by captaincy.
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He was a stop gap captain anyways. Rashid Latif is perhaps the best keeper we have ever come up with and i remember he dropped a crucial catch of Shoaib when Trescothick was batting on 95 in 2003 and Latif was also captain in that game.
 
No balls,
Drops,

Mercurial / unpredictable Pakistan strikes again! :afridi
 
Bigboii said:
I get where you are coming from thanks for explaining

But unfortunately our team is so garbage we can't even give the poor guy the luxury to develop

Cause if we do we'll end up 300-1 type scores on a regular basis

He atleast takes a couple of wickets up front to keep it entertaining for a short while....
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Correct, but this isn't beneficial for us at all. I would rather he and Naseem (who despite what is said has shown talent during his time at the top level) go back to domestic and provide us with some light at the end of the tunnel with their development. For an India-esque resurgence, I would gladly take 2-3 years of the likes of Maqsood, Yamin, Tabish etc. Forcing these players into the deep end before they can swim isn't helping anyone.
 
Love seeing the cordial relationship between the NZ and Pakistani players


Great to see
 
Unless PAK strikes 2-3 blows by first hour tomorrow, most likely Kiwis will bat once here.
 
Mamoon said:
Rizwan is one of the best keepers in the world. That drop shows that his head is elsewhere. He is burdened by captaincy.
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Pretty much the case throughout the day, especially since the start of the second session.

Funnily, Babar was much more proactive during the T20I series in giving advice / engaging with players from close to the boundary. Has been meekly sitting in his seat during the Tests.

PAK are yet to realise how far behind the they truly stand, in terms of the cricketing world.
 
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