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PAF pilots Wing Commander Noman Ali and Squadron Leader Hasan Mehmood Hasan Mehmood for the first time share their experiences of downing Indian Jets
 
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What happened on 27 Feb? Did Pakistan miss the target? NEVER bf Released Video by Pakistan Air Force

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I enjoyed the :angel: on the officer to the right as much as the crowd reactions :rabada2

Could have easily been a Zee TV program this side of the border.
 
Goosebumps

Hopefully Abhinandan doesn’t get to see this or he will get PTSD
 
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
The vid of the actual bombing on the indian depot I think it was is there too so can you share that too pls
 
Full show

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can mods change the title , its video fotage from PAF on Op swift retort 27th Feb. [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
 
It's funny that IK mentioned in his article that one jet was down and they claiming two... So much in sync...
 
That was the biggest LOL moment of this year

They murdered their OWN men because they crapped themselves and though it was a Pakistani chopper :))

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India also panicked and committed fratricide by shooting down their own chopper

Is Pakistan still under panic? Why they don't have sync in information? Their PM is saying one plane and pilots are saying two! Maybe they should settle down and decide on the number of planes to quote.
 
Is Pakistan still under panic? Why they don't have sync in information? Their PM is saying one plane and pilots are saying two! Maybe they should settle down and decide on the number of planes to quote.

Two planes and a helicopter actually
Su30 was the first to go down at 9:36 hours courtesy an AIM-130 C fired by Hassan Mehmood followed by the Mig.
In utter panic the Indians shot down an own chopper thinking it was an enemy UAV.
It was an utter failure for India hence the change of command and the clamour for Rafaeles
 
PAF really made the country proud. For those interested this is how the events unfolded on Feb 27.

The IAF stood guard on the night of 26 February when the PAF’s riposte was expected. Extensive Combat Air Patrols (CAP) were flown by the IAF, with surveillance support from ground radars, as well as AEWCS. When the PAF did not show up till sunrise of 27 February, the IAF eased off from its highest alert state, and waited for the following night. A pair each of Su-30MKI and Mirage 2000I[2] were patrolling in IHK area. PAF’s deception worked splendidly when its strike package of four Mirage 5PA/IIIDA of No 15 Squadron and two JF-17 of No 16 Squadron, duly supported by a big swarm of escorts and patrolling fighters[3] (a mix of F-16A/B and JF-17), cluttered the scopes of IAF’s ground radars at 0920 hours. Working at the rear of the fighter package were PAF’s SAAB Erieye AEWCS aircraft, and the DA-20 Falcon in which electronic warfare wizards sat ready with their arcane tricks.
Two vintage – but still quite capable – Mirage 5PA, each armed with one H-4 stand-off bomb[4], along with two JF-17, each armed with two Mk-83 Range Extension Kit (REK) bombs[5], headed towards their respective targets in southern-western IHK. It was a bright and clear morning, with excellent visibility. Each Mirage 5PA was followed by its communication control aircraft, a dual-seat Mirage IIIDA, which was to steer the H-4 after launch through data link, while the JF-17s’ Mk-83 REK were to be launched in the autonomous ‘fire and forget’ mode. With the H-4 having a range of over 120 km, and the Mk-83 REK having at least half of that, the bombs offered safety to the launch aircraft as these could be delivered from well inside own territory, and the aircraft could then break off. The Mirage IIIDA control aircraft, however, had to continue flying towards the target, refining the H-4 bomb’s flight path till impact. The bomb can be steered with great accuracy, as the high resolution image of the target seen by the bomb’s seeker head is constantly relayed to the control aircraft. Since the purpose of the mission was essentially to demonstrate that Pakistan had the resolve, as well as the capability of responding in kind, it was decided that there was no compelling need to pick the front door of a brigade commander’s office, or the air shafts of soldiers’ bunkers. General area bombing of open spaces in military garrisons near the Line of Control (LOC) in IHK was, therefore, agreed upon.[6] It was expected that this ‘abundance of restraint’ would prevent mass carnage in the Indian military garrisons, which could otherwise lead to a chain of escalatory actions, and spiral into a very dangerous all-out war under a nuclear overhang.
When the PAF struck the garrisons within 36 hours of IAF’s abortive air strike at Balakot, it came like a ‘shot across the bow’ and had the desired sobering effect on the Indian military commanders.[7] General Bipin Rawat, the Indian Chief of Army Staff, was forced to take a pause from his regular harangue about sorting out Pakistan. Unsurprisingly, he has not uttered any more threats to Pakistan, ever since.

Sqn Ldr Hasan Siddiqui
PAF’s approaching strike force had, meanwhile, rung frantic alarms on the Indian air defence radars, and patrolling fighters were directed to intercept them. Struggling to sift through the degraded communications environment, IAF fighters were unable to understand the instructions of their air defence controllers. An F-16 pair led by Sqn Ldr Hasan Siddiqui of the elite Combat Commanders’ School, was vectored towards two approaching IAF fighters flying in an extended trail formation. The very long range at which the adversary aircraft appeared on the F-16 radar scopes suggested that these were big targets, most likely Su-30MKI. After sampling the target data and confirming valid firing parameters, Hasan let go an AIM-120C (AMRAAM)[8] at 0936 hours, and promptly announced ‘Fox Three,’ the brevity code for an active radar-guided missile launch. Missile flight data fed back to the F-16 fire control computer in real-time, seemed to indicate that the missile had made its mark. Whether the Su-30 had met a violent end, or was damaged and landed back, or the aircrew had been able to kinetically defeat the missile altogether, remains moot. Hard evidence by way of aircraft wreckage or details of aircrew casualties has not been available so far. Debris of the AIM-120C missile was, however, picked up and displayed on Indian television in a ludicrous tri-services press conference, as the IAF brass unsportingly complained about PAF using F-16s in what was actually a telling response to its own aggression.
Soon after the shoot-out, all hell broke loose in the Indian camp, as revealed by radar and VHF radio monitoring. In the ensuing confusion, the Terminal Air Defence Unit at Srinagar Air Force Station reported a slow speed radar contact heading towards it. As leaked reports suggest, the contact was taken for a hostile Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, and the Chief Operations Officer ordered it to be shot down. At 0940 hours, an Israeli-origin Spyder surface-to-air missile was launched, but its target turned out to be an IAF Mi-17 V-5 helicopter belonging to the Srinagar-based No 154 Helicopter Unit. The helicopter crashed near Budgam, and six aircrew, along with a civilian on the ground, lost their lives in a case of morale-shattering fratricide.
Meanwhile, higher in the skies, the sole Su-30 remaining in the area flew helter-skelter, something quite baffling, considering that these are multi-crew fighters endowed with very powerful radars, and were armed to the teeth with an array of four R-77 active radar-guided BVR missiles, and four R-73 infra-red seeking dogfight missiles each. The Su-30 abruptly called ‘Bingo’ (low on fuel) and exited the area at high speed after only 25 minutes of flight, despite having an endurance of at least two hours while on routine air patrols. As per radio monitoring, it transpired that the two Su-30s had earlier failed to synchronise their data links and had been unable to provide any mutual support by way of radar data sharing.
In the ongoing fracas, the leader of the Mirage 2000 formation on patrol also called out that his airborne intercept radar, along with that of his wingman, had gone bust. It is noteworthy that the PAF F-16s had picked up tell-tale transmission ‘chirps’ of the apparently serviceable Mirage 2000 radar on their threat warning systems, a short while earlier. In the desperate situation that was developing, an IAF radar controller was heard calling out to the leader, “Confirm you can employ your missiles without the radars?” On hearing a reply in the negative, the controller pulled back the Mirage patrol well out of the active zone, and ordered ground scrambles to tackle a full squadron strength of menacing PAF fighters.

Wg Cdr Noman Ali Khan
Five MiG-21 Bison of No 51 Squadron were, meanwhile, scrambled successively from Srinagar to boost up IAF’s diminishing presence in the air. A senior pilot, Wg Cdr Abhinandan ‘Nandu’ Varthaman (callsign 'Alpha One'), was vectored towards a patrolling pair of PAF fighters. Flying low and masked by the Parmandal Range, Abhinandan had tried to pull a surprise by abruptly popping up from behind the hills. Apprehending PAF's snooping capabilities, Abhinandan had even switched off his Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) transponder. He also kept his radar controller posted about his ground position by reporting it in pre-arranged codes. However, Abhinandan remained oblivious of the fact that unlike ground based radars, PAF's AEWCs and high flying fighters had no line of sight issues, and could clearly see him on their radars. Before he could get his bearings right, Abhinandan’s MiG-21 was hit by an AIM-120C missile launched from an F-16 flown by Wg Cdr Noman Ali Khan, the Officer Commanding of No 29 ‘Aggressor’ Squadron, and also the overall mission leader. Radio monitoring revealed that Abhinandan was being frantically warned by his ground control about the danger he was getting into. “Alpha One, flow cold. Nandu, if you hear me, flow cold,” is how a desperate female controller called the unresponsive pilot in high-pitched screams.[9] Fully conscious, but half-deaf by then, Abhinandan soon ran into trouble. At around 0957 hours, he was seen to be coming down by parachute near Sandar village in Bhimber District, about five km from the LOC inside Azad Kashmir. Not unexpectedly, he got an unsavoury welcome at the hands of locals who had mobbed him. Later, during his brief confinement, Abhinandan stated that while he was looking for the target on the MiG-21 radar display, his aircraft was hit, and he managed to eject just as it went out of control.[10]

It has to be noted that at no stage did Abhinandan claim shooting down an F-16, something deceitfully attributed to him after his repatriation by none other than the Indian Defence Minister, Nirmala Sitharaman. The false claim has been repeated ad nauseam by the IAF, and parroted by the Indian media in a furtive effort to redeem some respectability, after a disastrous showing by the world’s fourth largest air force. All four of the unfired missiles were recovered from the MiG-21 wreckage, and displayed to the media by the Pakistan’s Inter Services Public Relations, exposing Sitharaman’s brazen claim.[11]

"The tea was fantastic!"
Abhinandan’s effusive compliments to the Pakistan Army about being ‘a very professional service’ – as well as praise for the delicious tea served to him at a custodial facility, which he slurped with relish – earned him enough ‘brownie’ points in Pakistan. His countrymen, however, were evidently not amused by his capers. Abhinandan was discourteously seen off by the Islamabad-based Indian Air Advisor at the border crossing point of Wagah, and in a frosty reception, was not even saluted by the Indian guards as he set foot in his country. It is not too far-fetched to imagine that on return from captivity, Abhinandan was presented with a fait accompli: claim downing an F-16, or face disciplinary action for ‘unpatriotically fraternising with the enemy.’ If such was indeed the case, it is possible that a straight-talking Abhinandan may be averse to towing the official line, and explains why the ‘hero’ continues to be hidden from the media and the public on grounds of ‘security.’
According to a report by senior staff writer Lara Seligman of the prominent US Foreign Policy magazine (4 April 2019), “a US count of the F-16s with Pakistan found that all the fighter planes were present and accounted for, and none of them were missing.” The report clearly contradicts India’s claim that the IAF had shot down a PAF F-16. Seligman writes that, “the count, conducted by U.S. authorities on the ground in Pakistan, sheds doubt on New Delhi’s version of events, suggesting that Indian authorities may have misled the international community about what happened that day.” In the same report, Vipin Narang, an Indian-origin US associate professor of political science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and a member of the MIT Security Studies Program states, “As details come out, it looks worse and worse for the Indians. It looks increasingly like India failed to impose significant costs on Pakistan, but lost a plane and a helicopter of its own in the process.”
That the US has completely disregarded the frivolous Indian complaints also reinforces the Pakistani contention that the F-16s were used legitimately for self-defence. Soon after the Indian protest, the US State Department’s deputy spokesman Robert Palladino shrugged it off by curtly stating that, “as a matter of policy, we don’t publicly comment on the contents of bilateral agreements involving US defence technologies.” Later on 28 April, The Indian Express quoted a US official as saying, “Soon after we were informed by the Indian side about Pakistan using F-16 aircraft on February 27, we informed the Indians that we will not be sharing any information on the subject as it is a bilateral matter between US and Pakistan.” The apparent US indifference to the Indian complaint can also be seen as a clever marketing ploy for US military hardware, which had yet again demonstrated its cutting edge.
Rather than complain about PAF using F-16s in combat, the IAF needs some stern introspection about its questionable performance. Having the initiative, as well as some of the world’s best fighters like the Su-30MKI and Mirage 2000I in its inventory, it failed to deliver in a situation where it could have done what the plucky PAF actually did. The fig leaf of ‘technical asymmetry’ is now being shoddily used to cover up IAF’s embarrassing dysfunction at the operational and tactical levels. What the IAF needs to reflect on is the hard fact the PAF is well-trained, very vigilant, and endowed with a strong fighting spirit. It should not be difficult to see why it has consistently achieved outsized effects through narrowly focused efforts.
With zilch to show for, the proper course of action for Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa, the IAF air chief, would have been to step down. Instead, he has deplorably leagued up with the discomfited Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government and the Bollywood-inured media, which continue to churn out nothing but lies and fanciful claims.

An unbecoming BJP-IAF combine.
It is of great concern that Modi’s military advisors, particularly the Air Staff, were unmindful of the fact that grave risk of escalation is inherent in the cavalier use of air power, whose most significant attribute is its vast offensive capability. In the aerial encounter of 27 February, there was a high probability of several more IAF aircraft being shot down, given PAF’s definite edge in BVR air combat. The conflict was, thus, clearly fraught with the likelihood of ***-for-tat intensification to a point of no return. That the two nuclear powers were on the brink of a terrible catastrophe is something which needs serious reflection, especially for the initiator of the conflict – in this case Mr Modi, who seemed to have coolly run an election campaign on the wings of the IAF. According to Hannah Haegeland, a research fellow at The Stimson Center, “the perception of Indian military superiority has been tarnished. Its competence and professionalism is being questioned, because the military leaders knowingly defended an inaccurate BJP position.”
The Indian Prime Minister’s whimper (quoted in India Today, 3 March 2019) that, “if we had the Rafale, things would have been different,” begs a question: “Why did you step in the ring if you weren’t prepared, Modi jee?” Clearly, the Indian Prime Minister miscalculated Pakistan’s resolve and ability to pay back promptly, and ended up getting a black eye in the bargain. To redeem the lost prestige of the military, it is entirely possible that a false flag operation may yet be contrived by Modi – a dangerous prospect that the world needs to be watchful about.
 
Two planes and a helicopter actually
Su30 was the first to go down at 9:36 hours courtesy an AIM-130 C fired by Hassan Mehmood followed by the Mig.
In utter panic the Indians shot down an own chopper thinking it was an enemy UAV.
It was an utter failure for India hence the change of command and the clamour for Rafaeles

So IK lied in the article that one plane went down?
 
Flow cold, Nandu, flow cold !!!


:)))



Jammed the sucker to the point of blindness
 
Don’t mess with Pakistan!
I think India needs to understand this whole heartedly.
 
MASHALLAH very nice
Gave them the bloody nose which they still cant grt over it. Now all they will do is make a bollywood movie and take the revenge as usual.

Anyway realy nice camera work by PAF thank god they didnt ask PTV to do the job with their retro cameras
 
One of key points was that government didn't want to cause too much damage to India as their intention was to show them what we are capable of but at the same time not cause too much damage to escalate the situation.

Pakistan came out clear winner from every angle you look at it.

Big Lol at those losers who thought Pakistan returned the pilot because we were scared :)) I remember Pakistan as a nation overwhelmingly favoured the return of Abhinandan based on humanitarian grounds and peace gesture and we expected India to acknowledge the gesture but instead the reaction was extremely negative :facepalm:
 
Don’t mess with Pakistan!
I think India needs to understand this whole heartedly.

I think India would remember how they have never been bettered by Pakistan in a full-scale war and also helped East Pakistan gain independence, a country that is now doing better than Pakistan.

About time we give up our hollow arrogance that is backed by nothing. Downing a couple of jets because of IAF’s incompetence doesn’t give Pakistan bragging rights.
 
IAF admitted giving photo shopped picture, while PAF gave video from the actual missile. Interesting.
 
I think India would remember how they have never been bettered by Pakistan in a full-scale war and also helped East Pakistan gain independence, a country that is now doing better than Pakistan.

About time we give up our hollow arrogance that is backed by nothing. Downing a couple of jets because of IAF’s incompetence doesn’t give Pakistan bragging rights.

I see you are hurt about that episode, rightly so along with your country. They are still crying.
 
I think India would remember how they have never been bettered by Pakistan in a full-scale war and also helped East Pakistan gain independence, a country that is now doing better than Pakistan.

About time we give up our hollow arrogance that is backed by nothing. Downing a couple of jets because of IAF’s incompetence doesn’t give Pakistan bragging rights.

Well in a victory either one side is competent or other is incompetent. Bottomline is PAF bettered IAF. This doesn't give us bragging rights for sure and you don't see PAF harping about it. This event is the only official event by PAF on this matter. So overall I quite like the modest and humble nature of PAF even in wins.

On other side of border the chain of events is compeletely different with no backing of events either. Lest they still keep this topic alive by awarding a shot down pilot with awards.
 
Till now Pakistan had been initially saying that they did not use f16. Now they themselves have a monument saying that they downed a indian su30 with a f16BM. Face palm moment for Pakistan right?

Regarding them shooting at Indian bases. This was never disputed because india already has displayed the amraam missile. So what’s new? But what’s to note here is were they on a suicide mission because they were trying to only show air supremacy
 
Till now Pakistan had been initially saying that they did not use f16. Now they themselves have a monument saying that they downed a indian su30 with a f16BM. Face palm moment for Pakistan right?

Regarding them shooting at Indian bases. This was never disputed because india already has displayed the amraam missile. So what’s new? But what’s to note here is were they on a suicide mission because they were trying to only show air supremacy

End result matter.

Pakistan did not invest money on F16 to fly them as uber rikshaw.

India should be rather worrying about to fix their airforce.
 
I think India would remember how they have never been bettered by Pakistan in a full-scale war and also helped East Pakistan gain independence, a country that is now doing better than Pakistan.

About time we give up our hollow arrogance that is backed by nothing. Downing a couple of jets because of IAF’s incompetence doesn’t give Pakistan bragging rights.

Pakpassion is blessed with intellectuals like Mamoon and Ram Shekar which is only possible in an online forum.

Would like to see a debate between these two gentlemen.
 
Where is the 2nd indian pilot ?

As DGISPR claimed in tweet on feb 27th mrng that one pilot is abhinandan and other indian pilot captured is in CMH hospital. Later in the evening he claimed we have only one indian pilot ! Then who is that 2nd pilot ?

There were many eye witnesses on ground and many videos where ppl saw 2 parachutes coming from sky.

If u say 2nd one fell on indian side then who was admitted in CMH hospital as claimed as DGISPR ??
 
India said we bombed a madrassa on balakot hill top but pakistan said 'No ! only few trees'

why did it took nearly 45 days to give media access to the madrassa on 10th april when IAF didn't do any damage to that madrassa on hill top ?

https://www.dawn.com/news/1475189

They culd have given media access to that madrassa very next day to refute indian claims but they took 45 days to do that ? why ?
 
India said we bombed a madrassa on balakot hill top but pakistan said 'No ! only few trees'

why did it took nearly 45 days to give media access to the madrassa on 10th april when IAF didn't do any damage to that madrassa on hill top ?

https://www.dawn.com/news/1475189

They culd have given media access to that madrassa very next day to refute indian claims but they took 45 days to do that ? why ?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1QN02Z
 
I see a lot of Indian still hurt by this incident and not accepting the reality. The facts as mentioned below will go down in history books which Indians I might say do not like:

- India entered Pak territory and bombed Balakot area while missing their targets.
- Pakistan retaliated Indian airspace and hit no direct targets
- Indian helicopter downed resulting in both military and civil casualties
- Indian jet downed in Pakistan and Indian pilot captured
- Pakistan releases the pilot

End of factual history.
 

Ok fine ...I still have same question, if satellite images even support pakistan's version why did it took 1.5 months give access to madrassa ? Infact they culd shut down this indian drama the very next day


lol also forget these satellite images for second
, I can copy paste 1000 links which say indian version

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....air-strikes-show-2006941?amp=1&akamai-rum=off


also wherez the 2nd pilot lol ?
 
Ok fine ...I still have same question, if satellite images even support pakistan's version why did it took 1.5 months give access to madrassa ? Infact they culd shut down this indian drama the very next day


lol also forget these satellite images for second
, I can copy paste 1000 links which say indian version

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....air-strikes-show-2006941?amp=1&akamai-rum=off


also wherez the 2nd pilot lol ?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1QH29H
 
Ok fine ...I still have same question, if satellite images even support pakistan's version why did it took 1.5 months give access to madrassa ? Infact they culd shut down this indian drama the very next day


lol also forget these satellite images for second
, I can copy paste 1000 links which say indian version

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....air-strikes-show-2006941?amp=1&akamai-rum=off


also wherez the 2nd pilot lol ?

Take a hint from Indian posters as they are staying away from this thread because they can’t defend the fake and false version of India anymore.
 
Ok fine ...I still have same question, if satellite images even support pakistan's version why did it took 1.5 months give access to madrassa ? Infact they culd shut down this indian drama the very next day


lol also forget these satellite images for second
, I can copy paste 1000 links which say indian version

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....air-strikes-show-2006941?amp=1&akamai-rum=off


also wherez the 2nd pilot lol ?

The satellite pictures are enough to prove India wrong. They didn't even have to give access 45 or 450 days later.
 
If Pakistan army can show the missile video of it guiding close to a airbase. Why can’t it show the video of it guiding towards a su30. The debate is settled for once and for all . We are waiting but everyone knows the reality!!
 
If Pakistan army can show the missile video of it guiding close to a airbase. Why can’t it show the video of it guiding towards a su30. The debate is settled for once and for all . We are waiting but everyone knows the reality!!

PAF didnt show this video becoz indian were demanding ... they showed this on the time and place of thre own choice.
they also have recording of chit chat of Abhinonedone and Female Controller on ground .... 3 different radars of PAF showed the Su-30 Kill... and more things to confirm it..
whenever PAF wants they will release whatever they want ... its upto them... No one can demand us ....:)
 
If Pakistan army can show the missile video of it guiding close to a airbase. Why can’t it show the video of it guiding towards a su30. The debate is settled for once and for all . We are waiting but everyone knows the reality!!

IMO (and only speaking for myself), there isn't much evidence to support SU-30 being shot down. Overall though, India still came out looking quite bad not just for having one of its plane shot down in broad daylight, but other instances where it was caught lying:

1) 300+ terrorists killed, when every media outlet outside India was posting articles debunking that claim
2) F-16 shot down, when again media outlets outside were were posting articles debunking that claim, and in addition to that none of the missiles from Abhinandan's plane were fired.
3) Shooting down their own helicopter

I still think Pakistan needs to stop with this SU-30 claim unless it is able to provide more evidence, but the overall episode was humiliating to India more so because of its lies that not many people outside India seem to buy.
 
Funny thing is I am from Azad Kahsmir and was their during all the February conflict. Don't live too far from Balakot. And relatives know so many people living in Muzaffarabad. When this happened the morning we found out phone calls were made their and their was no casualties. Even some relatives went Balakot and confirmed that Indian are lying about hitting building and killing people. If something like this happens in your village then you can not hide it even if few people die and their everything was normal like nothing happened. It just became a tourist attraction for people in other places to come and see what happened their. Thousands of people from Pakistan and Azad Kashmir came Balakot if their was a little doubt something happened what India claimed then it would been told but still India go on about their fasle narrative.
I have a Indian friend who was putting false videos on Facebook during this conflict and saying we killed hundreds of people and I sent him my live location and said look where I am and life is normal here and nothing like that happened. Modi and Indian media make fools if Indian public so easy. Still remember one of my English friend messaging me during this conflict seeing if I am OK and what's happening and calling Indians stupid and fools for their false narrative and then getting dealt with.
 
IMO (and only speaking for myself), there isn't much evidence to support SU-30 being shot down. Overall though, India still came out looking quite bad not just for having one of its plane shot down in broad daylight, but other instances where it was caught lying:

1) 300+ terrorists killed, when every media outlet outside India was posting articles debunking that claim
2) F-16 shot down, when again media outlets outside were were posting articles debunking that claim, and in addition to that none of the missiles from Abhinandan's plane were fired.
3) Shooting down their own helicopter

I still think Pakistan needs to stop with this SU-30 claim unless it is able to provide more evidence, but the overall episode was humiliating to India more so because of its lies that not many people outside India seem to buy.

I agree with you about india and Pakistan trying to outdo each other on the basis of evidence. No one has solid proof of evidence to back their claim. But I feel Pakistan went a bit over now with this monument thing. So I don’t think india needs to worry about it’s global image!!
 
I agree with you about india and Pakistan trying to outdo each other on the basis of evidence. No one has solid proof of evidence to back their claim. But I feel Pakistan went a bit over now with this monument thing. So I don’t think india needs to worry about it’s global image!!

There is evidence lacking on both sides for certain claims, but I don't think you can draw an equivalence between India and Pakistan in this case. The only questionable claim from the Pakistan side is the downing of SU-30. Indian state on the other hand lied on multiple occasions about multiple claims, relating to the bombs being dropped, to 300+ terrorists killed, to F-16 being downed, to the satellite images of the sites that were supposedly bombed not being valid, to Abhinandan being released because of Indian pressure, to anyone questioning these claims should go to Pakistan.

For a week or two on and after Feb 27, there was literally one lie after the next coming from the Indian state. Just when you thought they couldn't lie more, given their previous lies were exposed, they lied again. It was almost non stop.
 
There is evidence lacking on both sides for certain claims, but I don't think you can draw an equivalence between India and Pakistan in this case. The only questionable claim from the Pakistan side is the downing of SU-30. Indian state on the other hand lied on multiple occasions about multiple claims, relating to the bombs being dropped, to 300+ terrorists killed, to F-16 being downed, to the satellite images of the sites that were supposedly bombed not being valid, to Abhinandan being released because of Indian pressure, to anyone questioning these claims should go to Pakistan.

For a week or two on and after Feb 27, there was literally one lie after the next coming from the Indian state. Just when you thought they couldn't lie more, given their previous lies were exposed, they lied again. It was almost non stop.

we have identified the squadron, call sign and type of the downed SU aircraft. India has not denied this particular claim unless I am mistaken.
 
I agree with you about india and Pakistan trying to outdo each other on the basis of evidence. No one has solid proof of evidence to back their claim. But I feel Pakistan went a bit over now with this monument thing. So I don’t think india needs to worry about it’s global image!!

I disagree. We have solid evidence.

1) We downed a MIG21 and the narrative of the shooting down fits our version
2) we downed a SU-30 and we have revealed its call sign and its squadron. india can deny if it wants
3) we have revealed images from our SOW ordinance showing it hitting the "target" as our Rules of engagement.

there is no doubt about the PAF's evidence. There is a ton of doubt about the IAF's account. There is no equivalence between the two.

as for Indias global image, well its taking a concentrated beating and this is only the beginning.
 
I disagree. We have solid evidence.

1) We downed a MIG21 and the narrative of the shooting down fits our version
2) we downed a SU-30 and we have revealed its call sign and its squadron. india can deny if it wants
3) we have revealed images from our SOW ordinance showing it hitting the "target" as our Rules of engagement.

there is no doubt about the PAF's evidence. There is a ton of doubt about the IAF's account. There is no equivalence between the two.

as for Indias global image, well its taking a concentrated beating and this is only the beginning.

Ok may be in your world it’s taking a so called beating.
 
Take a hint from Indian posters as they are staying away from this thread because they can’t defend the fake and false version of India anymore.

Not me.

I've been going hammer and tongs at the bozos in the BHARATI VAYU SENA since the day this happened.
 
Not me.

I've been going hammer and tongs at the bozos in the BHARATI VAYU SENA since the day this happened.

That is because you understand positive patriotism without agenda that will bear fruit for long term.
 
So Pakistan didn't use the F16s but they were hovering around to ensure Pak doesn't lose this dogfight. Hence Indian radars did pick up F16 presence.

Just extra flying hours for the F16 pilots I suppose
 
PAF didnt show this video becoz indian were demanding ... they showed this on the time and place of thre own choice.
they also have recording of chit chat of Abhinonedone and Female Controller on ground .... 3 different radars of PAF showed the Su-30 Kill... and more things to confirm it..
whenever PAF wants they will release whatever they want ... its upto them... No one can demand us ....:)

So until then no one is loser here. Indians and Pakistanis believe they won from their perspective!!!
 
So Pakistan didn't use the F16s but they were hovering around to ensure Pak doesn't lose this dogfight. Hence Indian radars did pick up F16 presence.

Just extra flying hours for the F16 pilots I suppose

Makes sense. Jf 17 has not been tested enough to be seen as reliable perhaps.

The backup f16s would have calmed nerves.
 
Our pacifist PM will be having a heart attack seeing this. IK being the angel that he is doesn't want war you see even if it means Pak soldiers being killed. The self taught expert on Islam ignores that Nabi(saw) were not a pacifist at all, when the enemy attacks you have to be proactive and take the imitative. PAF has openly invited outside sources to check the facts.
 
So until then no one is loser here. Indians and Pakistanis believe they won from their perspective!!!

if we go with what people have seen as proof. its not win for india.
6 dead bodies, one Mi-17 crash with one Mig-21 and pilot seen getting phainta on international channels. doesnt sound like win for India ....
 
Ok may be in your world it’s taking a so called beating.

no not my world..when a magazine like the economist is highly critical of india when it normally isnt, then I consider that a sign. Ditto the guardian which is traditionally pro India, due to nehru's socialist leanings. So yes Indias image has taken a massive beating and continues to do so.
 
They did all these heroics, won the fight captured the Indian pilot but bungled up with the 2nd pilot story. Why? How can a PM claim on national television that a 2nd pilot was in the hospital and later say it was all a big booboo. That takes the sheen and credibility of most of the story and we don't know what's the truth and what's fake. It's somewhere in the middle favoring Pakistan a tad is my bet
 
They did all these heroics, won the fight captured the Indian pilot but bungled up with the 2nd pilot story. Why? How can a PM claim on national television that a 2nd pilot was in the hospital and later say it was all a big booboo. That takes the sheen and credibility of most of the story and we don't know what's the truth and what's fake. It's somewhere in the middle favoring Pakistan a tad is my bet

As if Pakistan or Pakistani care about RSS and RSS supporters?

Relax, stop giving yourself that much importance.
 
As if Pakistan or Pakistani care about RSS and RSS supporters?

Relax, stop giving yourself that much importance.

I think he didn't quote you. It's you who intervened without any invitation from the other person so let's say, give yourself the same advise.
 
I think he didn't quote you. It's you who intervened without any invitation from the other person so let's say, give yourself the same advise.

Lol

What are you upset about?

Is it late where you at or it’s early morning and you haven’t gone to sleep yet?

Remember, it’s a forum, people quote others.
 
Lol

What are you upset about?

Is it late where you at or it’s early morning and you haven’t gone to sleep yet?

Remember, it’s a forum, people quote others.

Of course. Where did I mention you can't post?

I just showed the hypocrisy in the statements. That's it.
 
https://www.dawn.com/news/1609713/pakistans-desire-for-peace-must-not-be-misunderstood-paf-chief-says-on-2nd-anniversary-of-operation-swift-retort

Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan on Saturday cautioned that Pakistan's desire for peace should not be misunderstood as the nation marked the second anniversary of 'Operation Swift Retort' — conducted on February 27, 2019 — which resulted in the downing of two Indian planes that had violated Pakistani airspace.

Addressing a ceremony at the Air Headquarters in Islamabad, the PAF chief termed February 27 as a significant day not just for the Pakistan Air Force but for the whole of Pakistan, saying on that day "PAF once again upheld its glorious legacy and deterred the aggressor who gravely miscalculated and challenged our sovereignty."

The ceremony started with a flypast of the air force's fighter planes.

The air chief said Pakistan had responded to the violation of the Line of Control (LoC) by Indian planes in a manner that "made our nation proud", adding that the country's air force "proved equal to the Quaid's vision of being second to none and established our supremacy in the air".

"I appreciate all personnel of Pakistan Air Force for their professionalism, valour [and] commitment displayed in Operation Swift Retort."

He iterated that Pakistan was a responsible and peace-loving country and its efforts for international peace, especially in Afghanistan, the Middle East and in UN peacekeeping missions were being acknowledged by the international community.

One such manifestation of peace was witnessed by the world through the unconditional return of captured Indian pilot Abhinandan Varthaman by the government of Pakistan, he added.

"However, let me make it very clear that our desire for peace should not be misunderstood. In case of any misadventure, our response would be swift, resolute and unwavering."

He appreciated the force for "remaining proactive in maintaining peace and deterring aggression despite the challenges of the Covid-19 pandemic", saying the air force was committed to increasing its potential for the defence of the country.

He also expressed support for Kashmiris, stressing that "it is time to bring an end to the atrocities and longest lockdown of more than 1.5 years".

Meanwhile, Director General of Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Maj Gen Babar Iftikhar also expressed similar resolve, saying:

"Pak stands [for] peace but when challenged, shall respond with full might."

In a tweet, the DG ISPR said Feb 27, 2019, was a testament that Pakistan Air Force "with support of the nation, will always defend the motherland against all threats".

"It is not numbers but courage & will of a resilient nation that triumphs in the end."

Prime Minister Imran Khan congratulated the nation and the country's armed forces on the occasion of "our response to India's illegal, reckless military adventure of airstrikes against Pakistan".

He recalled how Pakistan had responded with determined resolve at a time and place of its choosing.

The premier said Pakistan had shown responsible behaviour in contrast to India's irresponsible military brinkmanship by returning Abhinandan. "We have always stood for peace & remain ready to move forward to resolve all outstanding issues through dialogue," he said in the tweet.

Information Minister Shibli Faraz said the day marked Pakistan's "honour and prestige".

"The shaheens of the air force [made] the enemy see stars during the day and lifted the entire nation's head with pride."

Faraz said Pakistan wanted peace in the region, cautioning however, that it was capable of responding to any aggression.

Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on National Security Dr Moeed Yusuf said that two years ago, Pakistanis had come together and shown the world their capability and resolve to defend their country's sovereignty.

"I especially salute our brave soldiers, sailors and airmen whose tireless vigil keeps our people safe and defends every inch of our homeland," he added.
 
A memorable day when India (and Israel) realized that oppressing unarmed women, children and elderly isn't the same as going against a professional air force.

Excellent reaction by Pakistan Air Force. They showed the enemies their true place in grand scheme of things and had the presence of mind to prevent a possible devastating war.

PS: someone please upload/link videos posted in OP. Thanks in advance.
 
A memorable day when India (and Israel) realized that oppressing unarmed women, children and elderly isn't the same as going against a professional air force.

Excellent reaction by Pakistan Air Force. They showed the enemies their true place in grand scheme of things and had the presence of mind to prevent a possible devastating war.

PS: someone please upload/link videos posted in OP. Thanks in advance.

Agree with every word except this Israel nonsense with absolutely no proof. Not from anyone nor even our military. Israel gains absolutely nothing from bombing some random maddrassa or some trees. If it was an attack on out nuclear reactor than I'd tend to agree as there has been murmurs of it on the past.
 
I think pakistanis celebrate Feb 27 more than they do Quaid-i-Azam's birthday and Aug 14 .. why so childish ?
 
Indian Air Force (IAF) Wing Commander Abhinandan — who was captured by Pakistan after his MiG 21 Bison aircraft was shot down by a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) jet and later returned to India — praised the Pakistan Army's chivalry and said he saw "no reason for us to continue with any kind of hostilities".

In newly-released footage, obtained by Dawn.com, Abhinandan noted that he saw no differences between the landscape and people of Pakistan and India when he was descending in his parachute after his plane had been shot down. The footage appears to be from the same interview, a part of which was aired after his capture two years ago.

"I could not find any difference between the two countries from above. Both are equally beautiful and when I [descended], I did not even know whether I was in Pakistan or my own country, India because both countries looked the same to me. All the people, everything looked the same to me."


Recounting what happened on the day of his capture, Abhinandan said that he had been injured "quite badly and was unable to move". When it seemed to me that I was not in my own country, I tried to run away, he continued.

He revealed that Pakistani citizens whose "passion was quite high" wanted to catch the Indian pilot. However, two soldiers of the Pakistan Army reached his location, took hold of him and "saved me".

"A captain of the Pakistani Army came, he saved me from these people. He took me to his unit where I was given first aid and after that I was taken to the hospital where I was checked and given more aid. Since then, I am here [at the place] I am right now [...] with your hospitality," he continued.

Abhinandan then moved on to Kashmir, saying "neither you nor I know" what is happening in the occupied territory.

The Indian official praised the Pakistan Army, saying he found it to be "a very fine, professional force and very chivalrous".

"I am very impressed by the chivalry which has been displayed by the Pakistani Army," he added.

Abhinandan also expressed the hope that peace could be established between the two neighbours. "I do not know what needs to be done to bring about peace but I only know that there should be peace. And I see no reason for us to continue with any kind of hostilities. I want that peace [should] be established.

"We can live in peace," he emphasised.

Abhinandan was arrested on Feb 27, 2019, after his aircraft was shot down by the PAF upon violating Pakistani airspace.

He was initially captured by locals in Azad Kashmir before being taken into custody by Pakistan Army personnel. Videos of his capture showed army soldiers and officers intervening forcefully to save him from a crowd of angry citizens.

A wide cross-section of the Pakistani citizenry had subsequently called for him to be treated with respect and dignity.

He was later handed over in a gesture of peace to India at the Wagah border on March 1, 2019.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Two years ago, we showed the world that Pakistan is capable of defending itself against an aggressor many times bigger & with greater resources. We want peace but will not be dictated to. Work collaboratively ... Or come have more tea.. Choice is yours <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HappySurpriseDayIndia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HappySurpriseDayIndia</a></p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/1365554367915556865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The most expensive tea, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Abhinandan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Abhinandan</a>, or any Indian Officer ever had! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BalakotAirStrike?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BalakotAirStrike</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SurpriseDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SurpriseDay</a> <a href="https://t.co/rd6Ilp98wG">pic.twitter.com/rd6Ilp98wG</a></p>— Air Marshal Shahid Latif - (Retd) (@AMShahidLatif) <a href="https://twitter.com/AMShahidLatif/status/1365499118764892162?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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