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[VIDEO] Pakistan is dying a slow death?

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Documentary from a factual and a neutral POV hitting on some hard facts that are facing Pakistan.

Some of the core points discussed here - Economic difficulties (as a result of bad trade agreements, natural calamities, weak economic outputs) combined with political instabilities, combined with hostile neighbors wanting to take advantage, combined with hard tasked financial lenders, combined with radicalized youth (since they are left without hope), and combined with a potent nuclear arsenal can result in a dangerous failed state.

My take - While I want many of these to be false, I cannot refute any points mentioned here and it is gravely concerning. They did not even mention the fiasco in education sector (or the lack of access to good education at all levels). Neither the dynastic "Zamindars" of the PDM/PPP side nor the "Messiah" type approach of the PTI side (IK the one good man can fix everything) can offer a good lasting solution here. Pakistan needs a complete system overhaul which I fear sounds more wishful.

I'm sure if Quaid-e-Azam were alive today he would be sad at how the nation has evolved over the years.

 
Indians have been telling us for over a decade that pakistan is dying but we have been delusional. Pakistani awaam somehow still thinks that imran khan has some magic wand and pakistan will be a superpower overnight but the army and the other political parties are not letting him use this magic wand he has.
 
Indians have been telling us for over a decade that pakistan is dying but we have been delusional. Pakistani awaam somehow still thinks that imran khan has some magic wand and pakistan will be a superpower overnight but the army and the other political parties are not letting him use this magic wand he has.

It will be a slow painful process back to development. Anyone who is promising a quick turn around is simply lying. Let democracy thrive and let a couple of governments complete their terms without much fuss. Foreign investments and tourism will slowly comeback. It gives hope to the youth and will be motivated to get educated to find good paying jobs.
 
It will be a slow painful process back to development. Anyone who is promising a quick turn around is simply lying. Let democracy thrive and let a couple of governments complete their terms without much fuss. Foreign investments and tourism will slowly comeback. It gives hope to the youth and will be motivated to get educated to find good paying jobs.

With a pakistani mindset it's impossible
When pti came in office it threw everyone in jail now pdm are in office they are returning the favour by throwing everyone in jail if imran khan comes back he will then throw pdm in jail and its a never ending cycle
 
With a pakistani mindset it's impossible
When pti came in office it threw everyone in jail now pdm are in office they are returning the favour by throwing everyone in jail if imran khan comes back he will then throw pdm in jail and its a never ending cycle

Nothing is impossible. Pakistan did not survive this long for nothing.

Politicians will always pull shenanigans to get back to power. People should not fall for that and they should let the current Government complete its course. They will learn it through experience.
 
Pakistan's population growth is increasing rather than decreasing as the latest census have revealed. 250,000 were born in 10 days in Punjab only! The biggest challenge to Pakistan is its exploding population growth.
 
Pakistan's population growth is increasing rather than decreasing as the latest census have revealed. 250,000 were born in 10 days in Punjab only! The biggest challenge to Pakistan is its exploding population growth.
We can’t talk about that
 
Have been hearing this from decades. While the country is not doing good, thats been the case for a very long time.
 
The biggest problem is army and we can't do anything about it, I have no hope Pak will survive for long.
 
Have been hearing this from decades. While the country is not doing good, thats been the case for a very long time.

Either US or Saudis or some Muslim country always come to the rescue. Pakistan is blessed by its strategic location. It has lot of untapped potential just like India.
 
The biggest problem is army and we can't do anything about it, I have no hope Pak will survive for long.

What do you mean by it won't survive? What will happen to it's people who can't afford to leave the country?
 
Either US or Saudis or some Muslim country always come to the rescue. Pakistan is blessed by its strategic location. It has lot of untapped potential just like India.

and that is a curse not a blessing. It has stopped Pakistan from making the necessary reforms, and I am really hoping this time no one bails Pakistan out. India went to IMF once Pakistan is now on the 23rd bailout.
 
and that is a curse not a blessing. It has stopped Pakistan from making the necessary reforms, and I am really hoping this time no one bails Pakistan out. India went to IMF once Pakistan is now on the 23rd bailout.

Excellent point!
 
The biggest problem is army and we can't do anything about it, I have no hope Pak will survive for long.

I think the biggest problem is the hero worshipism culture In pakistan weather its a mullah from a masjid, a sports person or a politician, pakistanis will follow their hero blindly no matter what. if a mullah says so and so sect is bad pakistanis will not use sense and do their research about that sect instead will blindly believe that sect is bad and will fight amongst them self and go to any extent to prove he and his mullah are 100 percent right or it will hurt their egos same with politician worshippers people just don't have that sense to think for them self, if imran khan says nawaz family are thiefs they will believe imran blindly or if nawaz sharif says imran khan is a terrorist his worshippers will believe it maybe lack of education plays part in this or pakistanis just don't have common sense. Army are probably doing the right thing to keep everything in check Laaton ke bhoot baaton se nahi maante
 
Pakistan has become Iraq but a little better version, not a ideal place
to live a decent life:jinnah
 
Pakistan won't die. Take it from me.
Whether it will continue to exist the way it is only time can tell. But the US and China will not allow Pak to die. They'll put it out of the cesspit by its ears.
After all, they all need a mercenary to do their dirty work, whether in Afghanistan or elsewhere.
 
What’s the next best option, IT land? their people would give an arm and leg to be in England.

Pipe-down.
 
Indians have been telling us for over a decade that pakistan is dying but we have been delusional. Pakistani awaam somehow still thinks that imran khan has some magic wand and pakistan will be a superpower overnight but the army and the other political parties are not letting him use this magic wand he has.

India doesn't want Pakistan to die though, they would prefer it to remain on life support. In that aspect, the army is probably doing a decent job of keeping Pakistan going, but not letting it off the leash enough to develop it's own steam.
 
I think the biggest problem is the hero worshipism culture In pakistan weather its a mullah from a masjid, a sports person or a politician, pakistanis will follow their hero blindly no matter what. if a mullah says so and so sect is bad pakistanis will not use sense and do their research about that sect instead will blindly believe that sect is bad and will fight amongst them self and go to any extent to prove he and his mullah are 100 percent right or it will hurt their egos same with politician worshippers people just don't have that sense to think for them self, if imran khan says nawaz family are thiefs they will believe imran blindly or if nawaz sharif says imran khan is a terrorist his worshippers will believe it maybe lack of education plays part in this or pakistanis just don't have common sense. Army are probably doing the right thing to keep everything in check Laaton ke bhoot baaton se nahi maante

Yes, that is a problem.
But it’s prevent all over the world.
What do you think? There is no hero worship culture in India that Modi enjoys?
Trump had no worshippers?

The trick is. how to wisely choose your hero who is actually better for the country?
And this is where we tend to have failed, IMO, starting with Zulfikar Ali. Bhutto.

The other part of the mess is the butchered interpretation of Islamic theology that you rightly pointed.

The brain washing by Mullahs is actually a bigger problem.

Many of these Mullahs have opened up their Madrassas where they train the kids about having a focus on stuff in the Islamic doctrine that has lesser importance. For example, length of the beard, raising shalwar over the ankles, tasbeeh, topi. etc -
… and then to make it more attractive, they will show you all the short cuts - falana wazeefa will earn that many palaces in Heaven and falana wird will earn this much hasanat, and falana ammal will donthis and that for you.

Almost none of these Mullahs will tell you to live your life with honesty, avoid cheating, deceiving, avoid haram khori, rishwat khori, dishonesty. and doing injustice to others.
And almost none of these Mullahs will tell you to develop patience, learn how to forgive others, be generous, be kind to your wives, and practice cleanliness - because these are all also part of Sunnah.

The remedy for all these short comings is another short cut that they will tell you - “perform a Hajj and ALL of your sins are wiped out!”

So the net result is, a major part of the nation has become munafiqs.

Pakistani became world number 2 in Hajj attendance but the same nation stands world number 140 on the scale of honesty.

The mosques are full on Fridays, and folks turn up by millions to attend PTI jalsaas, and scores of people participate in milaad ceremonies, but a bitter fact is, a huge majority of these people are simply not honest in their day to day work life.

Just because someone is a PTI member, or he regularly attends Friday prayers or has a long beard, or has a tasbeeh in his hands, doesn’t really mean that he is an honest individual.

These Mullahs thrive on this sale of Islam. This is their business. They have opened madrassas to train the kids and increase the their group size to collect more and more Chanda - no wonder you’ve got the harri paggri, safeed paggri, peeli pagri, sipah Sahaba, Ashiq-e-rasool (saw), Qadiyqni maaro, khatam-enaboovat (saw), Shia, Sunni, deobandi, barailvi, Chishti, Sabri, Qadri and many many other groups formed by these Mullahs.

Countries like Saudia took the right approach. The govt has mandated the Islamic theology and Islamic doctrine.

Every Mullah is bound to abide by this one uniform religious mandate - any mullah who tells anything outside of this mandate and tries to form his own group - gets his head chopped off.

But in Pakistan, we turn the Mullah loose and gave him a free hand to interpret and teach Islamic message as per his own interpretation, and build his own madrassa and form his own religious grouping - and hence the country has become a religious zoo. Big big, big problem.

As for the OP,
It’s a very sad and tragic situation but part of me is also hopeful.
If the country sinks into default, we might get the army’s corrupt portion of its top brass lose appetite and interet in Pakistan’s politics. Their won’t be any money left to hog on.

A new generation may arise from the ruins who may have an overall good intent for the country?

I know it’s just a very faint hope but I guess that’s one of the ways to get out of this mess.

However, the worse side effect is, a bankrupt Pakistan with nuclear arsenal is more dangerous to rest of the world than to itself.

So perhaps the nukes will be taken away or the even worse part is, they won’t let the country go into default.
 
India doesn't want Pakistan to die though, they would prefer it to remain on life support. In that aspect, the army is probably doing a decent job of keeping Pakistan going, but not letting it off the leash enough to develop it's own steam.

True this. Without Pakistan, India will have to directly deal with the likes of Taliban on their border. Now Pakistan is acting as a buffer for them and taking the brunt of fanaticism from Afghanistan.

Army keeping Pakistan just alive enough over the years is also so accurate. Makes me wonder if it is a deep down strategy and if some of the army is on Indian payroll to have a long term "keep Pakistan alive but down" strategy - as ludicrous as that sounds.
 
Yes, that is a problem.
But it’s prevent all over the world.
What do you think? There is no hero worship culture in India that Modi enjoys?
Trump had no worshippers?

The trick is. how to wisely choose your hero who is actually better for the country?
And this is where we tend to have failed, IMO, starting with Zulfikar Ali. Bhutto.

The other part of the mess is the butchered interpretation of Islamic theology that you rightly pointed.

The brain washing by Mullahs is actually a bigger problem.

Many of these Mullahs have opened up their Madrassas where they train the kids about having a focus on stuff in the Islamic doctrine that has lesser importance. For example, length of the beard, raising shalwar over the ankles, tasbeeh, topi. etc -
… and then to make it more attractive, they will show you all the short cuts - falana wazeefa will earn that many palaces in Heaven and falana wird will earn this much hasanat, and falana ammal will donthis and that for you.

Almost none of these Mullahs will tell you to live your life with honesty, avoid cheating, deceiving, avoid haram khori, rishwat khori, dishonesty. and doing injustice to others.
And almost none of these Mullahs will tell you to develop patience, learn how to forgive others, be generous, be kind to your wives, and practice cleanliness - because these are all also part of Sunnah.

The remedy for all these short comings is another short cut that they will tell you - “perform a Hajj and ALL of your sins are wiped out!”

So the net result is, a major part of the nation has become munafiqs.

Pakistani became world number 2 in Hajj attendance but the same nation stands world number 140 on the scale of honesty.

The mosques are full on Fridays, and folks turn up by millions to attend PTI jalsaas, and scores of people participate in milaad ceremonies, but a bitter fact is, a huge majority of these people are simply not honest in their day to day work life.

Just because someone is a PTI member, or he regularly attends Friday prayers or has a long beard, or has a tasbeeh in his hands, doesn’t really mean that he is an honest individual.

These Mullahs thrive on this sale of Islam. This is their business. They have opened madrassas to train the kids and increase the their group size to collect more and more Chanda - no wonder you’ve got the harri paggri, safeed paggri, peeli pagri, sipah Sahaba, Ashiq-e-rasool (saw), Qadiyqni maaro, khatam-enaboovat (saw), Shia, Sunni, deobandi, barailvi, Chishti, Sabri, Qadri and many many other groups formed by these Mullahs.

Countries like Saudia took the right approach. The govt has mandated the Islamic theology and Islamic doctrine.

Every Mullah is bound to abide by this one uniform religious mandate - any mullah who tells anything outside of this mandate and tries to form his own group - gets his head chopped off.

But in Pakistan, we turn the Mullah loose and gave him a free hand to interpret and teach Islamic message as per his own interpretation, and build his own madrassa and form his own religious grouping - and hence the country has become a religious zoo. Big big, big problem.

As for the OP,
It’s a very sad and tragic situation but part of me is also hopeful.
If the country sinks into default, we might get the army’s corrupt portion of its top brass lose appetite and interet in Pakistan’s politics. Their won’t be any money left to hog on.

A new generation may arise from the ruins who may have an overall good intent for the country?

I know it’s just a very faint hope but I guess that’s one of the ways to get out of this mess.

However, the worse side effect is, a bankrupt Pakistan with nuclear arsenal is more dangerous to rest of the world than to itself.

So perhaps the nukes will be taken away or the even worse part is, they won’t let the country go into default.

Good detailed post I gotta say.

Curious - Can the nukes be taken away even if the country goes bankrupt? My worst case thesis has been that there is a danger of nukes being sold in blackmarket to rogue elements in the case of bankruptcy (similar fear when Soviet Union collapsed if I can recall).
 
Good detailed post I gotta say.

Thanks!

Curious - Can the nukes be taken away even if the country goes bankrupt? My worst case thesis has been that there is a danger of nukes being sold in blackmarket to rogue elements in the case of bankruptcy (similar fear when Soviet Union collapsed if I can recall).


Yes, that's the major worry.
The kind of people we have in the top army brass and in the current political govt? they will do ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING for money.

IMO, the nukes must be under a very strict watch by the Americans and other monitoring agencies.
No wonder Rafael Mariano Grossi visited Pakistan earlier this year.

I think many parties in the international arena, knew what was coming in Pakistan over the next few months.


And I believe, before these nukes go into the hands of rogue elements, the first world may offer a better price. Which I think is good and bad.

Good because they will be in the hands of perhaps more stable economic powers - and bad because these crooks in Pakistan, will pocked more money.

Pakistan is their "Shikaar Gah", the hunt and kill on these hunting grounds to accumulate wealth abroad.
 
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