[VIDEO] PCB = Pushover Cricket Board or Persuasive Cricket Board?

[MenInG]

Is the Hybrid model for the Asia Cup where Pakistan will host 4 matches a victory for the PCB or them giving into the BCCI's demands once again?

What should the PCB do about going into India for the World Cup?

And how will some Asia Cup matches being taken away from Pakistan affect their hosting of the Champions Trophy in 2025?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

So the visit by ICC delegation to Pakistan was to basically toss a few leftovers for Sethi to devour.

It’s not a victory. It’s a shame.

 

[Savak]

People need to get over their delusions over the PCB's and Pakistan Cricket's standing in World Cricket over the BCCI. There is nothing the PCB can offer to the ICC and other member boards that can rival or even match what BCCI offers to everyone. The PCB has over achieved with getting 4 games in Pakistan. Even the over hyped duo of Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan, Ramiz Raja would not have been able to achieve these 4 games for Pakistan.

 

[sweep_shot]

The truth is BCCI has a great monopoly over world cricket.

In order to reduce that monopoly, other boards have to generate more revenues. In present day cricket, revenue = influence.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

People need to get over their delusions over the PCB's and Pakistan Cricket's standing in World Cricket over the BCCI. There is nothing the PCB can offer to the ICC and other member boards that can rival or even match what BCCI offers to everyone. The PCB has over achieved with getting 4 games in Pakistan. Even the over hyped duo of Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan, Ramiz Raja would not have been able to achieve these 4 games for Pakistan.

PCB achieved nothing, BCCI threw them a bone and Sethi took it.

They’ve basically set a precedent for the CT25 and any other future events, where teams will want to play in neutral venues and not in Pakistan.

 

[Energy]

PCB achieved nothing, BCCI threw them a bone and Sethi took it.

They’ve basically set a precedent for the CT25 and any other future events, where teams will want to play in neutral venues and not in Pakistan.

Precedent? Can you name a multi nation tournament that the PCB has hosted to enable this being a precedent?

If the Champions Trophy is hosted in a hybrid model that will also be a win for the PCB. Because its PCB vs ICC/ACC/BCCI and hybrid vs nothing. And the PCB have done well given everything that is currently happening in Pakistan.

 

[Saj]

The problem PCB may have is other Boards also pushing for their matches not to be in Pakistan for the Champions Trophy and then it being taken away from Pakistan.

In addition, Pakistan will look a bit foolish of they pack their bags and head off to India for this year's World Cup given India refused to go to Pakistan.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Precedent? Can you name a multi nation tournament that the PCB has hosted to enable this being a precedent?

If the Champions Trophy is hosted in a hybrid model that will also be a win for the PCB. Because its PCB vs ICC/ACC/BCCI and hybrid vs nothing. And the PCB have done well given everything that is currently happening in Pakistan.

No, but there’s an upcoming multi nation tournament that’s being hosted by Pakistan in which they’ll only play 1 home game

I would’ve praised PCB had we managed to get every game (apart from India’s) played in Pakistan. There’s no reason for Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to play in a neutral venue over Pakistan.

I’m sure you’ll be over the moon when Pakistan are given 1 game in their own country for the CT. It’ll be a win for millions of Pakistani’s and it’ll send a message to the rest of the world, that Pakistan managed to host 1 game of an ICC event.

 

[Savak]

The problem PCB may have is other Boards also pushing for their matches not to be in Pakistan for the Champions Trophy and then it being taken away from Pakistan.

In addition, Pakistan will look a bit foolish of they pack their bags and head off to India for this year's World Cup given India refused to go to Pakistan.

In order for the hybrid model to work for the Champions Trophy in 2025, the PCB has to start their home work now. The CT has to be held at a time when the weather in the UAE is not unbearable. The PCB has to operate under the assumption that India is not going to come to Pakistan in 2025 and they will put pressure on all the other countries to have the tournament shifted out of Pakistan, therefore PCB will have to work out the travel, logistics, itenary which will allow the other countries to play their games in Pakistan and where India only plays its games in the UAE and the whole program is well within the budget by the ICC.

PCB needs to start working on this now to ensure everything is worked out and there is no room for any objection by the BCCI.

 

[MenInG]

If PCB/ACC have problems with logistics with 4 teams then how are they going to arrange this for CT?

 

[Saj]

In order for the hybrid model to work for the Champions Trophy in 2025, the PCB has to start their home work now. The CT has to be held at a time when the weather in the UAE is not unbearable. The PCB has to operate under the assumption that India is not going to come to Pakistan in 2025 and they will put pressure on all the other countries to have the tournament shifted out of Pakistan, therefore PCB will have to work out the travel, logistics, itenary which will allow the other countries to play their games in Pakistan and where India only plays its games in the UAE and the whole program is well within the budget by the ICC.

PCB needs to start working on this now to ensure everything is worked out and there is no room for any objection by the BCCI.

And that's my point. PCB has already made it easier for other teams to side with BCCI and opt not to play in Pakistan.

2 or 3 teams refuse to play in Pakistan = panic for the ICC.

 

[Savak]

The other option is that the PCB pushes for a significant higher share of revenues, profits then they would get by hosting the ICC events at home from the ICC.

 

[Savak]

If PCB/ACC have problems with logistics with 4 teams then how are they going to arrange this for CT?

I am sure ICC's budgets would be significantly higher than ACC's

 

[Colorblind Genius]

The problem PCB may have is other Boards also pushing for their matches not to be in Pakistan for the Champions Trophy and then it being taken away from Pakistan.

In addition, Pakistan will look a bit foolish of they pack their bags and head off to India for this year's World Cup given India refused to go to Pakistan.

Not only that, but the loud mouth blabbering will come back and haunt these incompetent individuals who are running the show.

"We won't go to India, if India doesn't visit Pakistan"

well, here you are now Sethi. On your face!

 

[MenInG]

I am sure ICC's budgets would be significantly higher than ACC's

If you listen to Sethi - it wasn't about budget - it was about the inconvenience.

 

[Energy]

No, but there’s an upcoming multi nation tournament that’s being hosted by Pakistan in which they’ll only play 1 home game

I would’ve praised PCB had we managed to get every game (apart from India’s) played in Pakistan. There’s no reason for Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to play in a neutral venue over Pakistan.

I’m sure you’ll be over the moon when Pakistan are given 1 game in their own country for the CT. It’ll be a win for millions of Pakistani’s and it’ll send a message to the rest of the world, that Pakistan managed to host 1 game of an ICC event.

Like I said, how many games has the PCB hosted from a multi nation tournament in the last 20 years?

Is the answer to that 0? I'll take 4 over 0 for a start.

 

[orthodox_spin]

The problem PCB may have is other Boards also pushing for their matches not to be in Pakistan for the Champions Trophy and then it being taken away from Pakistan.

In addition, Pakistan will look a bit foolish of they pack their bags and head off to India for this year's World Cup given India refused to go to Pakistan.

I read the judgement on the previous dispute around the MOU to try understand the current approach and I sense Sethi is learning from previous mistakes with his approach this time round.

A lot of critics kept challenging his public statements but if you consider the wider picture, it’s clear that Sethi was trying to create some sort of legal agreement by negotiating publicly that may stand up in a dispute. For instance, Sethi made clear that the acceptance of the Hybrid model was exchange and an acceptance that the model could apply to other ICC events, including the World Cup. In my view, India may have got its way by avoiding playing in Pakistan, but it has inadvertently accepted this as model for the World Cup by. A precedent has been set, which may have legal weight too.

The PCB has been non-commital on whether it would travel to India and its strategy is quite clear. Sethi went quiet in the media after making his statements.

The PCB may not have much bargaining power but recent events show it has some bite. It has taken months to release the schedule, the ICC visited Pakistan out of concern, and it managed to reach a compromise on a Hybrid model, something India wasn’t keen on. There was nothing stopping India from walking away from the tournament and creating its own tri-nation series.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I find myself agreeing completely with Savak on this particular issue.

Sethi has done well given we were up against a david v goliath scenario.

 

[Ami]

Spineless PCB.
I can understand Indian govt not allowing Indian cricket team to play their games in Pakistan...why arent the games involving Afgh, SL and Bangla not being played in Pakistan?
Why are these teams playing against Pakistan in Pakistan but not against each other?
I hope I'm wrong here.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Like I said, how many games has the PCB hosted from a multi nation tournament in the last 20 years?

Is the answer to that 0? I'll take 4 over 0 for a start.

Your opinion is that 4 games will eventually turn into a full tournament held in Pakistan over the coming years, clearly you’re more delusional than Sethi.

Indian cricket team will never step foot in Pakistan in the next 15 years or so. This means that Pakistan will always be stuck with a hybrid model whenever they’re given rights to host a tournament. To get only 1 home game in a tournament when you’ve been preparing 2-3 years for it is a joke.

The only people that see it as a “win” are those who live in cuckoo land. There’s no “baby steps” when BCCI is involved. Sethi failed, he should’ve made sure every game was played in Pakistan apart from India’s. We could’ve even had India playing their matches in their own country.

 

[Ami]

Your opinion is that 4 games will eventually turn into a full tournament held in Pakistan over the coming years, clearly you’re more delusional than Sethi.

Indian cricket team will never step foot in Pakistan in the next 15 years or so. This means that Pakistan will always be stuck with a hybrid model whenever they’re given rights to host a tournament. To get only 1 home game in a tournament when you’ve been preparing 2-3 years for it is a joke.

The only people that see it as a “win” are those who live in cuckoo land. There’s no “baby steps” when BCCI is involved. Sethi failed, he should’ve made sure every game was played in Pakistan apart from India’s. We could’ve even had India playing their matches in their own country.

At last some sense!

 

[Savak]

Lol at posters who think the PCB would have gotten a better deal under Zaka Ashraf, Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan or Ramiz Raja.

The BCCI categorically told the PCB that they can boycott the Asia Cup, they don't care, they will call a major team to India for a limited over series to compensate Star Sports and that they were going to replace the Asia Cup with another tournament without Pakistan.

Pakistan was in no position to boycott the WC as that would mean forgoing the $16 million in Revenue.

Sethi atleast negotiated with the ACC and BCCI and got 4 games inside Pakistan in the process.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I read the judgement on the previous dispute around the MOU to try understand the current approach and I sense Sethi is learning from previous mistakes with his approach this time round.

A lot of critics kept challenging his public statements but if you consider the wider picture, it’s clear that Sethi was trying to create some sort of legal agreement by negotiating publicly that may stand up in a dispute. For instance, Sethi made clear that the acceptance of the Hybrid model was exchange and an acceptance that the model could apply to other ICC events, including the World Cup. In my view, India may have got its way by avoiding playing in Pakistan, but it has inadvertently accepted this as model for the World Cup by. A precedent has been set, which may have legal weight too.

The PCB has been non-commital on whether it would travel to India and its strategy is quite clear. Sethi went quiet in the media after making his statements.

The PCB may not have much bargaining power but recent events show it has some bite. It has taken months to release the schedule, the ICC visited Pakistan out of concern, and it managed to reach a compromise on a Hybrid model, something India wasn’t keen on. There was nothing stopping India from walking away from the tournament and creating its own tri-nation series.

So you interpretation is a that Najam Sethi has set a legally biding precedent (that BCCI has to follow) for ICC events based on this Asia cup, which is an ACC event?

That is based his experience from ICC DRC committee proceedings, not an actual court of law. Where they were trying to argue that an MOU, scratch that, a letter of intent is a binding contract?

Interesting.

 

[msb314]

PCB achieved nothing, BCCI threw them a bone and Sethi took it.

They’ve basically set a precedent for the CT25 and any other future events, where teams will want to play in neutral venues and not in Pakistan.

So what would any other Chairman have done? What magical powers did Ramiz Raja, Ehsan Mani etc. have that Sethi did not..

Believe this is was our best case scenario - play the Asia Cup in its hybrid model, go to the WC and then see how things pan out for CT 2025 two years later..

 

[msb314]

And that's my point. PCB has already made it easier for other teams to side with BCCI and opt not to play in Pakistan.

2 or 3 teams refuse to play in Pakistan = panic for the ICC.

Please elaborate how PCB had made it “easier”?

Also what was the alternative that Ehsan Mani / Ramiz Raja would have done that Sethi did not achieve?

 

[Energy]

Your opinion is that 4 games will eventually turn into a full tournament held in Pakistan over the coming years, clearly you’re more delusional than Sethi.

Indian cricket team will never step foot in Pakistan in the next 15 years or so. This means that Pakistan will always be stuck with a hybrid model whenever they’re given rights to host a tournament. To get only 1 home game in a tournament when you’ve been preparing 2-3 years for it is a joke.

The only people that see it as a “win” are those who live in cuckoo land. There’s no “baby steps” when BCCI is involved. Sethi failed, he should’ve made sure every game was played in Pakistan apart from India’s. We could’ve even had India playing their matches in their own country.

Your signature says bring back Umar Akmal so we know your version of a cuckoo land indeed.

You're basically saying that Pakistan should boycott Asia Cup and World Cup if they dont get their way. And that's a win.

India will play at least 5 matches in the Asia Cup so if PCB's deal was 5 or 6 matches in Pakistan instead of 4 it would have made no difference. The fact is Pakistan is hosting something and getting the full revenue for the tournament. This is a win on realistic grounds, but a loss in the fantasies.

 

[orthodox_spin]

So you interpretation is a that Najam Sethi has set a legally biding precedent (that BCCI has to follow) for ICC events based on this Asia cup, which is an ACC event?

That is based his experience from ICC DRC committee proceedings, not an actual court of law. Where they were trying to argue that an MOU, scratch that, a letter of intent is a binding contract?

Interesting.

That’s a simplistic view of it. Granted they two different scenarios, but my point is that Sethi has learnt from previous failings.

This time round he has presented the acceptance of the Hybrid Model for the Asia Cup is also exchange for Pakistan having the same at the ICC World Cup.

The question of whether or not it will be accepted as a legal point to argue is another matter. However, it is clear that this sets a precedent and departs from the normal practices

It supports his arguments going forward and strengthens his hand.

 

[rpant_gabba]

That’s a simplistic view of it.

on your part

Granted they two different scenarios,

glad we agree

but my point is that Sethi has learnt from previous failings.

remains to be seen.

This time round he has presented the acceptance of the Hybrid Model for the Asia Cup is also exchange for Pakistan having the same at the ICC World Cup.

That is wishful thinking on your part and nothing more than an assertion. ICC visit produced no statement to this effect. It was some thing Wasim Khan floated and it was shot down quickly. Hitchens Razor: what is asserted witioot evidence cab dismissed without evidence

The question of whether or not it will be accepted as a legal point to argue is another matter.

One in which PCB and its supporters have a poor track record.

However, it is clear that this sets a precedent and departs from the normal practices

It supports his arguments going forward and strengthens his hand.

Once again, nothing more than an assertion. Good thing we won't have to wait long to find out

 

[Savak]

If you listen to Sethi - it wasn't about budget - it was about the inconvenience.

The factors which went against playing in the UAE was the weather, it is 40 degrees celcius around September which will be tough on the players. T-20 Cricket is usually played around evening to night time in UAE when the weather tends to cool down a touch but 50 overs cricket requires the playing time to start much earlier in the afternoon when the weather is tough. Even the UAE authorities went to the BCCI and tried hard to convince them without much success.

Don't think Sethi had much of a choice here but to concede here. Negotiations are about give and take, you agree on a few things and concede on other things. PCB over achieved with 4 matches inside Pakistan when BCCI's starting position was no games in Pakistan. These 4 matches will lay the foundations for more ICC and multi nation tournament games involving India being played in Pakistan.

Everyone mocked when PCB was paying out of pocket to get teams like Zimbabwe, West Indies to tour in 2015 and 2016 but these investments laid the foundations for Sri Lanka to tour in 2019, Bangladesh in 2020, South Africa in 2021, Australia, England and New Zealand in 2022-2023.

Fans need to be realistic, accepting of certain ground realities and patient. The PCB could not have fought with all guns blazing against the BCCI beyond a certain point. PCB offers nothing to the ICC or other ICC members which will get other nations to side with it against the BCCI.

 

[Savak]

No, but there’s an upcoming multi nation tournament that’s being hosted by Pakistan in which they’ll only play 1 home game��

I would’ve praised PCB had we managed to get every game (apart from India’s) played in Pakistan. There’s no reason for Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to play in a neutral venue over Pakistan.

I’m sure you’ll be over the moon when Pakistan are given 1 game in their own country for the CT. It’ll be a win for millions of Pakistani’s and it’ll send a message to the rest of the world, that Pakistan managed to host 1 game of an ICC event.

Sethi tried his best to convince India to play all its games in UAE whereas the rest of the countries to play in Pakistan. ACC argued that would escalate the costs of the tournament beyond the ACC budget not to mention the inconvenience to everyone of the back and forth travelling, lack of practice time. This was also complicated by the fact that the tournament was to be played in September when it was going to be very hot in the UAE, where we had a 50 over format and a very limited window to play the Asia Cup i.e. 2-3 weeks. The travelling time between Karachi, Lahore and Dubai is not that much therefore if UAE remained an option then the PCB could have tried harder to find a solution to the hybrid model where all the games for India would take place in UAE and all the other games would take place in Pakistan.

Sethi had to find a reasonable solution to this and therefore as a compromise he suggested the first 4-5 games in Pakistan and then the rest of the games in a neutral venue of ACC's choice with all the profits, gate receipts going to the PCB.

This was the best possible solution to Pakistan in the circumstances.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Sethi tried his best to convince India to play all its games in UAE whereas the rest of the countries to play in Pakistan. ACC argued that would escalate the costs of the tournament beyond the ACC budget not to mention the inconvenience to everyone of the back and forth travelling, lack of practice time. This was also complicated by the fact that the tournament was to be played in September when it was going to be very hot in the UAE, where we had a 50 over format and a very limited window to play the Asia Cup i.e. 2-3 weeks. The travelling time between Karachi, Lahore and Dubai is not that much therefore if UAE remained an option then the PCB could have tried harder to find a solution to the hybrid model where all the games for India would take place in UAE and all the other games would take place in Pakistan.

Sethi had to find a reasonable solution to this and therefore as a compromise he suggested the first 4-5 games in Pakistan and then the rest of the games in a neutral venue of ACC's choice with all the profits, gate receipts going to the PCB.

This was the best possible solution to Pakistan in the circumstances.

why on earth would a guy a filed bogus lawsuit against BCCI and trashed at every opportunity expect any goodwill from BCCI. He is either not very bright and extremely entitled

 

[MenInG]

why on earth would a guy a filed bogus lawsuit against BCCI and trashed at every opportunity expect any goodwill from BCCI. He is either not very bright and extremely entitled

As he explained, PCB felt that they had a case.

"Bogus" is not a legal term.

PCB lawyers felt that they had a case so it was done.

That is the nature of lawsuits.

 

[rpant_gabba]

As he explained, PCB felt that they had a case.

"Bogus" is not a legal term.

PCB lawyers felt that they had a case so it was done.

That is the nature of lawsuits.

You are correct. it was not a bogus lawsuit.

It was a binding arbitration that BCCI COA's were dumb enough to agree to.

If it was a court of law, the trial would have been over the first day with summary judgement. No reputable judge in the business world would want to be associated with calling what PCB had a legally binding contract.

 

[MenInG]

The PTI report quoting BCCI source stated that it is customary for the ICC to seek suggestions from member boards regarding the itinerary, but there needs to be a strong reason for changing venues.

The PTI report quoting source highlighted that safety concerns, like the ones raised by Pakistan in 2016 during the T20 World Cup in India, could be valid grounds for requesting a venue change. However, expressing reservations based on a team’s on-field strengths and weaknesses would make it challenging to finalize the schedule, the BCCI source claimed.

 

[MenInG]

You are correct. it was not a bogus lawsuit.

It was a binding arbitration that BCCI COA's were dumb enough to agree to.

If it was a court of law, the trial would have been over the first day with summary judgement. No reputable judge in the business world would want to be associated with calling what PCB had a legally binding contract.

Who are you to make that call?

A court of law is the same for all parties. BCCI won the case - happens in court cases. Nothing open and shut except in your mind.

 

[MenInG]

The Pakistan cricket team is not "comfortable" playing some of the participating teams at specific venues during the ODI World Cup in India, including Afghanistan in Chennai and Australia in Bengaluru. The deadlock over the Asia Cup staging has ended and now Pakistan are expected to travel to India for the World Cup in October-November. The much-awaited contest between India and Pakistan is likely to place in Ahmedabad on October 15.

Before announcing the World Cup schedule, the International Cricket Council (ICC) has asked members boards including the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) for suggestions on the proposed itinerary.

A reliable source in the PCB told PTI that the board's data, analytics and team strategy experts have been given the task of approving the venues where the ICC and BCCI have tentatively scheduled Pakistan's matches for the 50-over mega event.

“The PCB sent the tentative itinerary for the team to the selectors/experts who apparently are not comfortable with some of the Pakistan team's scheduled matches and venues like they have reservations on Pakistan playing Afghanistan in Chennai and Australia at Bengaluru,” the source said.

Playing Afghanistan in spin-friendly Chennai would mean facing the likes of Rashid Khan and Noor Ahmad, who did well for Gujarat Titans in the 2023 Indian Premier League.

Conditions in Bengaluru are usually batting friendly and it is hard to understand why Pakistan would have reservations playing Australia at the Chinnaswamy Stadium. The PCB source said the selectors, who are also part of the team management, has advised the board not to accept Chennai as the venue for the match against Afghanistan as it was historically and statistically a venue which favoured spinners.

“The suggestion is to ask the ICC/BCCI to reschedule Pakistan's matches and play Afghanistan in Bengaluru and Australia in Chennai to the team's strength,” the source claimed.

However, a BCCI source said the ICC asking members for suggestions on the itinerary is part of the protocol and there has to be a strong reason for the venues to be changed.

"A member board can push for a venue change due to safety reasons like Pakistan did in 2016 when they travelled India for the T20 World Cup. If you start expressing reservations over a venue as per your team's strengths and weaknesses on the field, then it becomes very tough to finalise the schedule.

"So unless there is a strong enough reason, no changes are made as far as the venues are concerned," said the source referring to the Indo-Pak contest in 2016 when the game was shifted to Kolkata from Dharamsala.

Last month, the PCB announced a new look national selection committee which for the first time had a secretary, manager analytics and team strategy for the national side in Hassan Cheema while also including Mickey Arthur, who is the national men's team's director, and head coach Grant Bradburn.

Chief Selector Haroon Rasheed has said that in a bid to embrace the requirements of modern day cricket the selectors would be depending heavily on data and analytics to develop a team strategy before any match.

Asked about whether Pakistan were willing to play their showpiece match against India at Ahmedabad, the PCB source said it was agreed upon more or less but a final call would come from the government.

Pakistan team's initial two qualifying matches are slated in Hyderabad for October 6 and 12.

The other venues where Pakistan are expected to play in are Chennai, Kolkata, Bengaluru and Ahmedabad.

NDTV

 

[rpant_gabba]

Who are you to make that call?

A court of law is the same for all parties. BCCI won the case - happens in court cases. Nothing open and shut except in your mind.

What happened at ICC-DRC between PCB and BCCI is not a court case. It as binding arbitration. If you don't know the difference, I can't help you.

Who am I : I have been involved in about 50 LOI's between midlevel and major corporations, a third of which reached MOU and third of that became a legally binding contract, with exit clauses and penalties clearly spelled.

Did the piece of paper produced by PCB have any of that. PCB tried to play a shell game and lost.

 

[adil_909]

Lol at posters who think the PCB would have gotten a better deal under Zaka Ashraf, Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan or Ramiz Raja.

The BCCI categorically told the PCB that they can boycott the Asia Cup, they don't care, they will call a major team to India for a limited over series to compensate Star Sports and that they were going to replace the Asia Cup with another tournament without Pakistan.

Pakistan was in no position to boycott the WC as that would mean forgoing the $16 million in Revenue.

Sethi atleast negotiated with the ACC and BCCI and got 4 games inside Pakistan in the process.

can you explain why if india doesn't want to play in pakistan, why are these other teams not playing their games in pakistan and instead those games are in SL? why are only 4 of the games in pak? if the plan was going to be a hybrid tournament, why isn't the hybrid model where all the games are in pak other than the games involving india? pakistan itself is playing 1 game in pak, all the rest are in SL even when india is not involved.

pcb had a choice to make. they could have hosted asia cup without india and held the whole tournament in pakistan. that would have put pressure on bcci to make a decision regarding the champions trophy, because at least the expecation would have been all games will be in pakistan. with what sethi has agreed to, why would any team agree to play games in pakistan? they'll all want the hybrid option where their games are somewhere else, regardless of what india does.

if pcb is going to view itself as a begger that should be grateful for little crumbs thrown its way by bcci and others, then that's how the world will see us. we need some degree of self respect before others will respect us. securing 4 home games in a 13 game tournament you are supposed to be hosting is not a win. what's the point??

 

[Saj]

Well there you go.....Zaka already bowling bouncers at the ACC and saying he doesn't want any matches played outside of Pakistan.

 

[Savak]

Well there you go.....Zaka already bowling bouncers at the ACC and saying he doesn't want any matches played outside of Pakistan.

Good Luck to Zaka Ashraf with that strategy. It will take the BCCI no time in pulling everything under the rug from the PCB.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Good Luck to Zaka Ashraf with that strategy. It will take the BCCI no time in pulling everything under the rug from the PCB.

That would be a blessing for Pakistan, all that money on the presidential security, road closures for matches and when teams go for training, which would cause disruption to local businesses, just to host 4 games where only one of those will be “packed”.

 

[Forum363]

So all that’s happened is, india said they wouldn’t come to Pakistan for the Asia cup.. changed the whole schedule so a first home tournament for Pakistan became 4 matches against minnows and all major games were moved abroad, not just India’s .

And in return pakistan will go to India like normal? At the end of the day, no one can argue that’s a ‘fair’ solution.

 

[Savak]

People need to realize that small drops eventually end up making an ocean. Small baby steps lead to big things. Sethi bought the PSL final to Lahore in 2017 under massive security lockdown and he was bashed, mocked for it i.e. Aik match se kya ho go e.t.c. That one match in 2017 allowed the PCB to bring 4 games to Pakistan in 2018, 12 games in 2019 and the entire PSL Season in 2020, 2022 and 2023.

Similarly the PCB paid massively out of pocket to bring Zimbabwe in 2015, West Indies in 2016 and World Eleven, Sri Lanka in 2017 and everyone was like what will bringing these small teams, rellu kattas do, where are the likes of Australia, England, NZ e.t.c? Guess what, we had Sri Lanka tour in 2019, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe in 2020, Australia, West Indies, England in 2022 and New Zealand in 2023 and therefore the investments made from 2015 to 2017 have now resulted in international cricket returning full fledged to Pakistan in 2023.

The last time Pakistan held a multi lateral tournament was in 2008, we have got 4 games of the Asia Cup in 2023 when India had threatened to take the entire tournament out of Pakistan, until Pakistan India relationship politically does not improve and when India is under the BJP government, India will not play Pakistan bilaterally and will not tour Pakistan period, the hybrid model for any tournament hosted by Pakistan is the only option to accommodate India. India has the power, might and will to take any tournament away from Pakistan in a heart beat and Pakistan will not be able to do anything about it.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Yes, we had to take baby steps to convince the big teams to tour Pakistan by inviting teams like Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka.

Yes, we had to take baby steps to convince overseas players to play the PSL in Pakistan by playing the knock out stages in Pakistan until eventually we could host the entire tournament in Pakistan.

But, you CANNOT compare that to hosting a multi national tournament. Does [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] know what we’re taking “baby steps” for now? To convince India that we’re safe to play in? Your baby steps aren’t going to work when the most powerful cricketing board refuses to play in Pakistan. Your baby steps are not going to force India to play in Pakistan, in fact it’ll do the opposite. BCCI will just make everyone accept the hybrid model whenever we host a major event.


Let’s say we’ve been given the rights to host the next Asia cup again, what do you expect the outcome to be? 5 matches in Pakistan?

Baby steps don’t matter when you’re at a dead end.

 

[Savak]

Yes, we had to take baby steps to convince the big teams to tour Pakistan by inviting teams like Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka.

Yes, we had to take baby steps to convince overseas players to play the PSL in Pakistan by playing the knock out stages in Pakistan until eventually we could host the entire tournament in Pakistan.

But, you CANNOT compare that to hosting a multi national tournament. Does [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] know what we’re taking “baby steps” for now? To convince India that we’re safe to play in? Your baby steps aren’t going to work when the most powerful cricketing board refuses to play in Pakistan. Your baby steps are not going to force India to play in Pakistan, in fact it’ll do the opposite. BCCI will just make everyone accept the hybrid model whenever we host a major event.


Let’s say we’ve been given the rights to host the next Asia cup again, what do you expect the outcome to be? 5 matches in Pakistan?

Baby steps don’t matter when you’re at a dead end.

Please propose a solution to dealing with the BCCI which does not involve the financial collapse of the PCB

 

[DeadlyVenom]

People need to realize that small drops eventually end up making an ocean. Small baby steps lead to big things. Sethi bought the PSL final to Lahore in 2017 under massive security lockdown and he was bashed, mocked for it i.e. Aik match se kya ho go e.t.c. That one match in 2017 allowed the PCB to bring 4 games to Pakistan in 2018, 12 games in 2019 and the entire PSL Season in 2020, 2022 and 2023.

Similarly the PCB paid massively out of pocket to bring Zimbabwe in 2015, West Indies in 2016 and World Eleven, Sri Lanka in 2017 and everyone was like what will bringing these small teams, rellu kattas do, where are the likes of Australia, England, NZ e.t.c? Guess what, we had Sri Lanka tour in 2019, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe in 2020, Australia, West Indies, England in 2022 and New Zealand in 2023 and therefore the investments made from 2015 to 2017 have now resulted in international cricket returning full fledged to Pakistan in 2023.

The last time Pakistan held a multi lateral tournament was in 2008, we have got 4 games of the Asia Cup in 2023 when India had threatened to take the entire tournament out of Pakistan, until Pakistan India relationship politically does not improve and when India is under the BJP government, India will not play Pakistan bilaterally and will not tour Pakistan period, the hybrid model for any tournament hosted by Pakistan is the only option to accommodate India. India has the power, might and will to take any tournament away from Pakistan in a heart beat and Pakistan will not be able to do anything about it.

Good post. I feel you have hit the nail on the head on this topic recently.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Please propose a solution to dealing with the BCCI which does not involve the financial collapse of the PCB

Do you think the PCB would financially collapse if we were to boycott the Asia Cup and cut ties with ACC?

 

[Savak]

Do you think the PCB would financially collapse if we were to boycott the Asia Cup and cut ties with ACC?

PCB's actions for the Asia Cup will impact the upcoming ODI WC and the 2025 Champions Trophy. It will take the BCCI just a stroke of a pen to financially cripple the PCB.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

PCB's actions for the Asia Cup will impact the upcoming ODI WC and the 2025 Champions Trophy. It will take the BCCI just a stroke of a pen to financially cripple the PCB.

The CT25 has already been impacted by the hybrid model. Other boards will have seen how the PCB can’t take a stand, they’ll want the hybrid model where they play a couple of games in Pakistan before everyone moves to a neutral country like the UAE.

Can you elaborate on how PCB boycotting the Asia Cup would have an effect on the WC in India?

 

[MenInG]

Apparently, the schedule will be announced on 27th - same day as Zaka gets elected - will be interesting to see what ICC have made of Pakistan's Chennai and Bengaluru requests

 

[daytrader]

ICC/BCCI refuse to cede to Pakistan's request to switch the venues for the Australia & Afg games..

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

ICC/BCCI refuse to cede to Pakistan's request to switch the venues for the Australia & Afg games..

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Good decision. Else everyone would try to take this advantage of switching venues considering their strength .

 

[MenInG]

Right now, PCB is about to be pushed off a cliff if they don't sort out the elections mess.

 

[MenInG]

So not much changed - despite all the loud noises. Could have predicted that at start of this Asia Cup discussion.

 

[msb314]

So not much changed - despite all the loud noises. Could have predicted that at start of this Asia Cup discussion.

Well Multan got an additional game..

 

[MenInG]

Jay Shah announced the schedule ahead of the actual hosts. That was embarrassing!

 

[MenInG]

Well Multan got an additional game..

Yes, small mercies.

To be honest, I am not really complaining as this is probably the best we could hope for but the bravado that PCB Admins put up initially is/was laughabale.

 

[MenInG]

Can the PCB just give it a rest?

Another attempt to get Jay Shah to come to Pakistan...

“The PCB has basically followed up on the invitation which was extended verbally by Chairman Zaka Ashraf to Jay Shah when they both met in Durban for the ICC meeting,” the source said

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/sports...an-to-watch-opening-match-of-asia-cup-2652859

 

[Major]

Did anyone notice from the photoshoot that the host name is not on the jersey? Pathetic from PCB

 

[MenInG]

This was Pakistan's 2022 Asia Cup Kit which had Sri Lanka written on it- but not the case when Pakistan hosting it!

PCB?

 

[MenInG]

Is Zaka Ashraf being OTT in his praise for the BCCI?

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“We will grow together, and God willing, Pakistan-India relations will flourish,” Ashraf told reporters while warmly clasping Binny and Shukla’s hands.

“We invited them, and they responded kindly. We will reciprocate with a visit to India when they invite us,” Ashraf said.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

What is Zaka Ashraf commemorating? It makes sense that BCB members are rejoicing because they achieved something by not hosting the Asia Cup in Pakistan but what is the reason behind Zaka Ashraf's apparent joy?

 

[FearlessRoar]

What is Zaka Ashraf commemorating? It makes sense that BCB members are rejoicing because they achieved something by not hosting the Asia Cup in Pakistan but what is the reason behind Zaka Ashraf's apparent joy?

On getting a job in PCB, anyway.
The Pakistan Cricket Board is a pushover cricket board because they don't utilize players properly.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Profligate Cricket Board