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It can get ridiculous every team will just get players out like this all 11 of them. Even if they are in the crease it will still waste time
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[VIDEO/PICTURE] Mankad wins a game of cricket - But is that really cricket?
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lol, this.
Prasad seems to be on fire these days which is so unlike him during his days as active cricketer except that one instance when he took on Sohail in WC '96 QF.
How about disallowing any run taken when the non striker came out of crease before the bowling arm.reached the vertical it ll be easy to check and will make sure no runner takes an advantage of this because it ll result in his team losing some runs.
Or just allow the non striker to run after the bowler crosses the wicket.
This captains behaviour acc to match situation ll cause problems in tournaments and will always leave a bad taste
Imagine a pak player is on 98 and its a wc semi final and match is evenly balanced will rohit take the appeal back?? No way. He ll throw shami under the bus and he be like its a legitimate dismissal(which it actually is) nut this should have some consistency. Imagine if every appeal was counter checked with fielding captain
Or just allow the non striker to run after the bowler crosses the wicket.
This captains behaviour acc to match situation ll cause problems in tournaments and will always leave a bad taste
Imagine a pak player is on 98 and its a wc semi final and match is evenly balanced will rohit take the appeal back?? No way. He ll throw shami under the bus and he be like its a legitimate dismissal(which it actually is) nut this should have some consistency. Imagine if every appeal was counter checked with fielding captain
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During a Big Bash game earlier this month, there was an incident in which bowler Adam Zampa attempted to Run out the non-striker, Tom Rogers, who was given not out by the umpires.
MCC released a statement on this incident (here) clarifying its interpretation of this Law, which has been consistent for some time. The umpires were correct in their decision.
However, we acknowledge that while this Law has generally been understood well by players and umpires, there is ambiguity in the wording which could lead to confusion. MCC has therefore moved to change the wording of Law 38.3 to deliver better clarity. The current wording led some to think that if the non-striker left his/her ground before the expected moment of release, then the Run out could happen at any moment, even after the bowler had gone through the bowling action. That was never the intention of this Law, nor the way it was ever interpreted by MCC.
It is important to note that this does not change the way the Law should be interpreted – it has been interpreted that way for the past six years, without much misunderstanding. However, the intention is that this will make things clearer.
The new Law reads:
38.3.1 At any time from the moment the ball comes into play until the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the non-striker is liable to be Run out if he/she is out of his/her ground. In these circumstances the non-striker will be out Run out if he/she is out of his/her ground when his/her wicket is put down by the bowler throwing the ball at the stumps or by the bowler’s hand holding the ball, whether or not the ball is subsequently delivered.
38.3.1.1 The instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball is defined as the moment the bowler’s arm reaches the highest point of his/her normal bowling action in the delivery swing.
38.3.1.2 Even if the non-striker had left his/her ground before the instant at which the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, once the bowler has reached that point it is no longer possible for the bowler to run out the non-striker under this Law.
This becomes Law immediately, and is in effect from January 19 2023. Because this is not a material change to the meaning of the Law, MCC will not be re-printing Law books, but the change has already been reflected in all online materials.
https://www.lords.org/lords/news-stories/mcc-clarifies-law-on-non-strikers-leaving-their-gr
MCC released a statement on this incident (here) clarifying its interpretation of this Law, which has been consistent for some time. The umpires were correct in their decision.
However, we acknowledge that while this Law has generally been understood well by players and umpires, there is ambiguity in the wording which could lead to confusion. MCC has therefore moved to change the wording of Law 38.3 to deliver better clarity. The current wording led some to think that if the non-striker left his/her ground before the expected moment of release, then the Run out could happen at any moment, even after the bowler had gone through the bowling action. That was never the intention of this Law, nor the way it was ever interpreted by MCC.
It is important to note that this does not change the way the Law should be interpreted – it has been interpreted that way for the past six years, without much misunderstanding. However, the intention is that this will make things clearer.
The new Law reads:
38.3.1 At any time from the moment the ball comes into play until the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the non-striker is liable to be Run out if he/she is out of his/her ground. In these circumstances the non-striker will be out Run out if he/she is out of his/her ground when his/her wicket is put down by the bowler throwing the ball at the stumps or by the bowler’s hand holding the ball, whether or not the ball is subsequently delivered.
38.3.1.1 The instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball is defined as the moment the bowler’s arm reaches the highest point of his/her normal bowling action in the delivery swing.
38.3.1.2 Even if the non-striker had left his/her ground before the instant at which the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, once the bowler has reached that point it is no longer possible for the bowler to run out the non-striker under this Law.
This becomes Law immediately, and is in effect from January 19 2023. Because this is not a material change to the meaning of the Law, MCC will not be re-printing Law books, but the change has already been reflected in all online materials.
https://www.lords.org/lords/news-stories/mcc-clarifies-law-on-non-strikers-leaving-their-gr
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So Ashwin was correct on his dismissals?
In practice nothings really changed since yesterday. The issue was what the law said was different to how umpires were told to apply it. That's not much of a problem at a professional level where umpires get instructed but creates ambiguity at lower levels whether the law should be followed as written or as it was intended to be written.
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No matter how many times the International Cricket Council and the Marylebone Cricket Club labelled the 'non-striker run-out' as a legal form of dismissal, some still remain against it. In a domestic match in Australia, a non-striker became the victim of bowlers' awareness but what happened later was truly unexpected. In a match between Claremont and New Norfolk, the batter Jarrod Kaye was run-out at the non-striker's end as he left his crease before the bowler was to deliver the ball.
The decision was referred to the third umpire, who told the on-field umpires that the non-striker had to depart. Fuming over the decision, Kaye threw his bat and gloves away while returning to the pavillion, leading to some never-seen-before visuals on the field.
Coming out to bat first, New Norfolk put a total of 263 for 7 in 50 overs on the board. The team's deputy skipper Harry Booth (63) and Jason Rigby (67) scored half-centuries before Thomas Briscoe's unbeaten 22-ball 37 helped the team put a decent total on the board.
When it was Claremont's turn to bat, the entire team folded on a total of 214 runs. Jarrod Kaye (43) and Rick martin (70) were among the top scorers in the team. Kaye was visibly frustrated on being run-out at the non-striker's end, as he missed on what could've been at least a half-century.
In a recent development, MCC had made a few changes with the non-striker run-out dismissal.
"We acknowledge that while this Law has generally been understood well by players and umpires, there is ambiguity in the wording which could lead to confusion. MCC has therefore moved to change the wording of Law 38.3 to deliver better clarity.
"The current wording led some to think that if the non-striker left his/her ground before the expected moment of release, then the run out could happen at any moment, even after the bowler had gone through the bowling action. That was never the intention of this Law, nor the way it was ever interpreted by MCC," said the governing body in a statement.
"It is important to note that this does not change the way the Law should be interpreted-it has been interpreted that way for the past six years, without much misunderstanding. However, the intention is that this (change of wording) will make things clearer," added the statement.
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The decision was referred to the third umpire, who told the on-field umpires that the non-striker had to depart. Fuming over the decision, Kaye threw his bat and gloves away while returning to the pavillion, leading to some never-seen-before visuals on the field.
Coming out to bat first, New Norfolk put a total of 263 for 7 in 50 overs on the board. The team's deputy skipper Harry Booth (63) and Jason Rigby (67) scored half-centuries before Thomas Briscoe's unbeaten 22-ball 37 helped the team put a decent total on the board.
When it was Claremont's turn to bat, the entire team folded on a total of 214 runs. Jarrod Kaye (43) and Rick martin (70) were among the top scorers in the team. Kaye was visibly frustrated on being run-out at the non-striker's end, as he missed on what could've been at least a half-century.
In a recent development, MCC had made a few changes with the non-striker run-out dismissal.
"We acknowledge that while this Law has generally been understood well by players and umpires, there is ambiguity in the wording which could lead to confusion. MCC has therefore moved to change the wording of Law 38.3 to deliver better clarity.
"The current wording led some to think that if the non-striker left his/her ground before the expected moment of release, then the run out could happen at any moment, even after the bowler had gone through the bowling action. That was never the intention of this Law, nor the way it was ever interpreted by MCC," said the governing body in a statement.
"It is important to note that this does not change the way the Law should be interpreted-it has been interpreted that way for the past six years, without much misunderstanding. However, the intention is that this (change of wording) will make things clearer," added the statement.
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LOL. Bowler failed this time. Khaled Ahmed tried to Mankad Kamindu Mendis but he failed during the Sri Lanka vs Bangladesh 1st Test match.
Batter rocked, bowler shocked.
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Batter rocked, bowler shocked.
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Mankad rule kinda makes sense but it should be handled in a professional manner.
Remember in the tournament, Mitchell stark gave multiple warnings to the batsmen being out of the crease.
He was fair.
Remember in the tournament, Mitchell stark gave multiple warnings to the batsmen being out of the crease.
He was fair.
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yeah but u cant expect the same from Afghanistan
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To be completly fair to them, I understand why they did what they did,yeah but u cant expect the same from Afghanistan
They had never beaten Pakistan before and after so many voodo flukes it was getting frustrating.
I don't think they'll do it again though, after they stomped us during the World Cup, they'll play normally and won't be pressure haxed anymore.
Afghanistan is a team that nearly beat Australia, and crushed England. Granted even though these teams are weaker atm, Australia didn't even take us seriously in the warm up games, they trolled us with Warner and Smith bowling and still humiliated us, and England made a fool out of us.
Currently Afghanistan is superior to Pakistan by miles, their bowlers are something none of our bats can handle, I highly doubt they'll be using mankad anymore and will just believe they can defend 15 runs in a last over if it comes down that equation.
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Ashwin and his old vibes
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Afhganistan is superior to Pakistan. lol ok
Soo annoying seeing people make their wishful thinking as facts.
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Yes it's also annoying when people run away without addressing or arguing facts.
Afghanistan demolished pakistan the last time they met and I made this comment back then.
Back then Afghanistan not only spanked pakistan black and blue, They also outperformed pakistan by miles in the cup, pakistan who lost to usa and got booted into oblivion while Afghanistan made it into the semi's which included spanking Australia and eliminating them in the process.
Back then our odi team was
1) Fakhar/Abdullah
2) Imam
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Saud/Agha
6) Chacha
7) Shadab
8) Nawaz/Usama Mir
9) Shaheen
10) Hasan Ali
11) Rauf
^^ What a joke side that isn't capable of beating any team excluding Nepal level minnows and Bangladesh
Our t20 team was
1) Rizwan
2) Babar
3) Usman Khan/Saim
4) Fakhar
5) Shadab
6) Chacha
7) Azam Khan/ Imad
8) Shaheen
9) Naseem
10) Rauf
11) Amir
^^ Again what a joke squad that got bamboozled by USA.
Only a moron such as yourself would argue pakistan would beat Afghanistan with such a crap unit.
Now currently, Pakistan still gets soanked by Afghanistan in t20. The t20 team is a mess.
In odi however atm pakistan is ahead because of the changes that have been made. Saim has come into his own.
Kamran ghulam and tayyab are massive improvements over shadab and Chacha.
And while I dislike abrar, He's alot better then usama mir and Nawaz as a spinner.
But if you think 2023 wc pakistan and 2024 wc pakistan or currwnt t20 pakistan is beating Afghanistan then it confirms why you're the same guy who argued imam is in the ball park of saeed or Misbah is > Inzi or rizwan is no 2 pk odi bat.
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if you want to resort to name calling, than the only moron here is you. You made a claim about Afg being superior but cant even provide ana analysis on afg team. So next dont state your wishful thinking as facts.
Pakistan may have its issues, but its still a better side than Afg cause AFG does not have fast bowlers nor batsman. A guy like Umar Akmal can walk into the team if he Afg nationality.
The teams pace bowling only has Fazal ul haq and Naveen. They dont have a proper 3rd or 4th bowler. Plus Naveen doesnt really play Test, so in test cricket they only have 1 guy bowling pace. Azamatullah is just bits and pieces. THe team has to play 3 spinners even on pace friendly pitches.
Than their batting only has Gurbaz, Hashmat and Rehmat are not really that great players due to their strike rates, infact, Everyone has been hating on Hasmat recently. Meanwhile Nabi is 50 years old and is playing matches just for the sake of it.
Darwish Rasooli is a good player but he hasnt been given a run.
The only area that Afg have an edge on Pakistan is the spin department, but that is only in odi and t20, in test Rashid stands exposed. Infact, there spin bowling also fails sometimes due to poor captaincy, as they dont have a proper experience player that can captain the side as there is limited cricket being played in Afg. Nabi messes up aswell.
Pakistan has its iissue, but it has players to make up the team, in Afg alot of the guys make up the numbers in batting especially.
Again, i know you hate Pakistan cricket, but no need to make comments with no logical sense.
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No one is talking about test cricket when Pakistan vs Afghanistan in tests won't even happen for a good long while.
Secondly when I made said comment it was clearly based on the world cup and 2024 wc.
Atm pakistan in odi is superior due to rubbish like shadab, Chacha etc being discarded.
Here are your facts
A) Afghanistan spanked pakistan in wc 2023
B) Afghanistan outperformed pakistan in wc 2024 even beating aus to qualify for SF
C) Pakistan got booted out by USA.
^^ These are your 3 facts, These are 3 metrics. Now please argue against them.
No point in talking about current odi as this comment was made in the past and the info was based from wc 2023 till wc 2024 but for your sake I've added in 2024 t20 in its entirety as well.
^^ Go on and argue against these 3 metrics.
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Nice try by using the old trick that you were not talking about so and so. Again you called it a superior team, you did not indicate a format, you meant overall.
and again, no matter what the format is, Afg is no where near superior against Pakistan. You are just just concentrating on the result of a game you dont even know their players. You cant provide an analysis as you just want your wishful thinking as fact.
Pakistan again, may have its issues (no where have i said the team doesnt have issues), but Afg does not have players. Im not gonna bother repeat the same thing, i have discussed in detail where AFG lacks and you can look at that post if you want to. Pakistan has been beating AFG in every tournament, offcourse everything doesnt stay the same as AFG will beat us in a game or two eventually.
Bangladesh beat Pakistan in 1999 World Cup, that doesnt mean that the Bengali side was a superior side than Pakistan that had Wasim Akram in it.
Afg doesnt have a pacer attack, and its middle order is based on bits and pieces, for Afg to be superior, they need to produce 3 batters atleast, and not only produce they need to let them play international cricket and than at the same time also produce bowlers that can bowl. They dont even have a captain that can strategize for them at the moment.
Pakistan may beat England or Australia in future, or outperform them in a tournament, but that does not mean that Pakistan is SUPERIOR to England or Australia as these two sides can make up numbers in superiority based on their atheleticism alone.
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One thing to beat a side, Another to outperform them in 2 cups in a row. They probably won't outperform pakistan in ct due to the group that their in though.
You want a side by side analysis? Fine.
Wc 2023
1) Abdullah (Lol)
2) Imam (Double LOL, he was even in worse form at the time)
3) Babar (easily his worst odi cup, Worse then 2019 and ct, was a corpse)
4) Rizwan (won't comment here since you'll complain)
5) Saud (Hasn't kicked off in odi)
6) Chacha (Hahaha)
7) Shadab (Double hahaha, Plus was even worse then joe root in wc as a bowler, and root is a batter
)8) Nawaz/usama (just as bad)
9) Shaheen (Run machine in the cup)
10) Hasan Ali (An even bigger run machine)
11) rauf (A massive run machine considering he was opening the bowling)
Now in comparison
1) Gurbaz ( impact batter, decent in wc 2023 and solid opener in wc 2024, gave Pakistan a phainti)
2) zadran ( with the exception of rizwan he scored more then any other pakistani batter and avergaed higher with better sr as well in said cup)
3) shah ( Exact same numbers as Babar in the cup, They were = in this cup performance wise, but shah actually won games)
4) Shahidi ( avg 50 on the cup, Performed better then every pakistani batter minus rizwan due to that 131)
5) azmatullah (once again was > Any pakistani batter in the cup excluding rizwan who had better numbers)
6) ikram (Medicore, Had a 44 avg but ironically he's a better no 6 then chacha who was dreadful)
7) nabi (better then shadab who was trying to break the record of crap performances in said cup)
8) rashid Khan (who's his competition? Nawaz?)
9-11) Mujeeb, naveen, noor (all 3 had btter numbers then our 9 to 11)
^^ Every single one od their batters surpasses our at every position wxcluding rizwam who had better numbers then shahidi.
Without fakhar this team is useless.
Form wise from which angle was pakistan superior?
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You dont even know the afghan players and had to resort to cricinfo scorecards as usual, and now calling it an analysis.One thing to beat a side, Another to outperform them in 2 cups in a row. They probably won't outperform pakistan in ct due to the group that their in though.
You want a side by side analysis? Fine.
Wc 2023
1) Abdullah (Lol)
2) Imam (Double LOL, he was even in worse form at the time)
3) Babar (easily his worst odi cup, Worse then 2019 and ct, was a corpse)
4) Rizwan (won't comment here since you'll complain)
5) Saud (Hasn't kicked off in odi)
6) Chacha (Hahaha)
7) Shadab (Double hahaha, Plus was even worse then joe root in wc as a bowler, and root is a batter
8) Nawaz/usama (just as bad)
9) Shaheen (Run machine in the cup)
10) Hasan Ali (An even bigger run machine)
11) rauf (A massive run machine considering he was opening the bowling)
Now in comparison
1) Gurbaz ( impact batter, decent in wc 2023 and solid opener in wc 2024, gave Pakistan a phainti)
2) zadran ( with the exception of rizwan he scored more then any other pakistani batter and avergaed higher with better sr as well in said cup)
3) shah ( Exact same numbers as Babar in the cup, They were = in this cup performance wise, but shah actually won games)
4) Shahidi ( avg 50 on the cup, Performed better then every pakistani batter minus rizwan due to that 131)
5) azmatullah (once again was > Any pakistani batter in the cup excluding rizwan who had better numbers)
6) ikram (Medicore, Had a 44 avg but ironically he's a better no 6 then chacha who was dreadful)
7) nabi (better then shadab who was trying to break the record of crap performances in said cup)
8) rashid Khan (who's his competition? Nawaz?)
9-11) Mujeeb, naveen, noor (all 3 had btter numbers then our 9 to 11)
^^ Every single one od their batters surpasses our at every position wxcluding rizwam who had better numbers then shahidi.
Without fakhar this team is useless.
Form wise from which angle was pakistan superior?
Like i said, apart from GUrbaz there is no other player from Afg that is good enough. Rehmat Shah and Shahidi cant hit boundaries, they have issues in their game. The only thing both of them are good at is playing defensive cricket. They cant even anchor an innings. Hashmat has always failed in anchoring an innings and Rehmat Shah is not even a fully developed player for limited overs cricket.
Azmatullah is bits and pieces. He doesnt bowl properly and his batting is inconsisstent. Even the Afg side is sometimes not sure when to send him. He is just a better version of GUbadin Naib thats it. Nabi is near his 50s, hes just there based on his reputation.
So like i said, the Afg side doesnt have a batting line up. Its all bits and pieces. The reason why rehmt and Hasmit are there is because guys like Bahir Shah and Darwish Rasooli have their own issues with ACB and in the past Afghanistna used to play reckless cricket that they tried to stabilize the line up with Rehmat, Ikram and Hashmat which also has failed.
There spin attack is good, that i never denied, but their spin attack falls flat as they dont have a captain to strategize it.
and as for the pace attack, as i said, its as non existent as their batting.
So based on logic, how can a side with no batting or pace bowling or captaincy, and only survives on spin bowling can be superior to a side that has all basis covered?
I understand that you hate pakistan cricket and that makes your opinion bias, but stop thinking like a fan and look at things from a proper angle. Its a very naive thing to say that Afg is superior to Pakistan cricket, and I am saying this as a guy who follows and supports Afghanistan cricket.
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Cricinfo scorecards? I provided you stats of players from wc 2023?
Every batter at every number outperformed pakistan with the exception of 3 and 4, shah was = to Babar with babar only having a few more runs, avg was the same and sr isn't too far off and rizwan having better numbers at 4.
Otherwise all their bowlers and batters were superior to pakistan so how on earth was pakistan superior?
Secondly I verbatim said that currently pakistan odi team is better, it's your fault that you picked a comment prior to aus and sa series taking place.
Aqib got rid of chacha, shadab, Nawaz ans other lanats in the team.
If you actually think pakistan had all their bases covered you're delusional.
Imam, Abdullah, Babar, Rizwan, Saud make for a traditional 1990 lineups furthermore, Imam and Abdullah are bad as is to begin with followed by babar, rizwan and saud being medicore in odi for a good long while now.
Chacha, shadab and nawaz ensure the tail begins that 6.
The pacers were run machines in that cup, dreadful bowling that couldn't defend any score for the life of them.
What bases are covered?
Rven our current squad doesn't have all bases covered. Abdullah is a joke, no 5 and no 7 are unclear with niazi being a joke no 7, The tail is woefully long as is.
This isnt a team with all bases covered.
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