[VIDEO/PICTURE] Mankad wins a game of cricket - But is that really cricket?

[IMMY69]

I don't mind this.
It differentiates sporting and unsporting behaviour, shows up some people for what they are.

Carry on

 

[Realromeo]

I hope we win the T20 WC like this he he he

 

[Zaz]

Not surprised another indian player resorting to cheap classless behaviour to win games

Other teams should start doing the same See how they react

 

[Zaz]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🎙 "We had warned her"<br><br>Deepti Sharma has said that India 'warned' Charlie Dean ahead of her controversial Mankad run out in their third and final One Day International against England <a href="https://t.co/dNb0wToO8P">pic.twitter.com/dNb0wToO8P</a></p>— Sky Sports Cricket (@SkyCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1574413485110272000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

England have denied her statement and Shes been called a liar

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Indian's could have least held their ground after desecrating the spirit of cricket at the home of cricket.

To go home and needlessly lie is just poor form, and after showing complete disrespect for the game and the fans watching it, they are now showing blatant disrespect for the opposition.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Time to accept that it was pre-planned. Should have given her a warning before executing this plan.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Time to accept that it was pre-planned. Should have given her a warning before executing this plan.

Batsmen should stay in the crease until the ball is released. However, especially in tight chases or death overs, it’s quite easy for batters to stray ever so slightly, even if they’re mostly being mindful.

What you dont want, is for the game to be ruined by wide spread mankading. Put this spirit of cricket argument aside, it’s actually a pretty boring way of getting some one out and actively detracts from the spectacle of the sport.

With regards to this instance, the following has become true:

Indians, including the posters on here feel the need to vociferously defend mankading, because in recent times, it’s very much been an Indian practice (with the odd exception here or there). Thus, the proponents for mankading have a nationalistic bias when arguing for mankading. Because if Mankading is correct, then by definition Indians are correct etc.

The English/Aussies, on the other hand, have deemed mankading as a line you don’t cross. It’s also a line they hilariously expect the rest of the world to abide by, as if it’s still the 1930s and empire precedes everything. Actions such as targeted sledging (Buttler calling Philander a k***-head, Jimmy Anderson being threatened to having his arm broken) are considered above board. Attitudes towards Pakistani sides have been interesting, such as widespread media insinuation that the whole team was fixing in the 2010 series. Repeated accusations of ball tampering, when Mike Atherton himself was caught on camera.

The Aussies are an even more precious bunch. Gilchrist with his ‘I’ll walk if I’m out’ approach which was fine when it suited him. Didn’t walk in that Hobart test after he clearly knicked it did he? Using a squash ball in his gloves to get more oomph on his shots during the 2007 World Cup. Pakistani (and Sri Lankan) bowlers being accused of throwing whenever they visit Australia. Shoaib going through numerous accusations whilst Brett Lee was given all the support required.

Thus, the pearl clutching and the whole Holier than thou view of the English (and the Aussies) is also hilarious.

To conclude, I hate mankading, but batsmen need to give fielding sides no avenue to use it. It also ruins the spectacle of cricket and thus rather taking a wicket, I would have an initial team warning followed by penalty runs. That should stop encroachment pretty quickly.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The English/Aussies, on the other hand, have deemed mankading as a line you don’t cross.

They don't have to preach to others what line we should cross and what line we shouldn't cross. Sledging itself is a bad behavior if we strictly talk about "spirit". Second of all Alex Hales, Monty Panesar, Tabriz Shamsi, Mitchell Johnson, and Dean Jones (in Ashwin's case) all supported this. You can't sweepingly say they are against it. Of course in this case some English past players will go overboard like they always because they were at the receiving end. It doesn't matter who takes what side. What matters is which side umpire takes.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Anyway this topic has run its course Let us wait for next "non striker run out " incident of an English player.

 

[JaDed]

Well done to the Indian women, I wonder if outside Ashwin current Indian team would do what it takes to win under the rules.

 

[PakLFC]

Nothing wrong with what the Indian bowler did. The non striking batter was so down the line that it seemed a fair thing to do. Another thing is this often the non striking batter does that so let it be a warning to them. It was not "illegal" like as if bowling an underarm delivery that the England girls are getting so upset over it.

 

[starchild]

I am actually fully in support of what Deepti did here, and I’ll always be support of this law.

In fact I’d go so far as to ask, why is this even a debate? if we start debating about this, why not we debate about the stumping rule too? In fact, most of the times the batter isn’t trying to get an unfair advantage when he/she gets stumped. But it’s the law, it’s out. In fact we should even start making noise when wicketkeepers get batters out as stumped when batters are off balance and lift their foot just for a fraction of second to recover.

Or why don’t we debate about how Azhan Ali got out because he thought he had scored a 4 but the ball actually stopped before the boundary, ball was thrown back to the wicket keeper and he got run out. Was he trying to make a run? He wasn’t. Shouldn’t that dismissal be against the spirit of the game?

Or what about Inzi blocking the ball with his bat (and not his body) from an Indian fielder and being given out?

I can list so many examples here but no, it IS the law. Plain and simple. Stop bringing the spirit of the game into this.

 

[Smbhayi]

Kapil Dev on Run Out Issue

Legendary Cricketer Kapil Dev made an interesting comment on the whole Mankad incident and rule. “In a situation like this, I feel instead of intense debates every time there should be a simple rule. Deprive the batsmen of their run. It should be deemed a short run. It’s a better solution in my mind,” wrote the World Cup-winning captain in his Instagram story.

Not practical.. you need to check almost every ball in death overs, will take lot of times..

 

[MenInG]

England cricketer Charlotte Dean on Monday broke her silence on her controversial run-out in the match against India saying she will stay in the crease from now on. In the third and final ODI at the Lord's Cricket Ground, Deepti Sharma had run Dean out at the non-striker's end after the batter was backing up too far ahead when the ball was not even released out from the bowler's hand.

Taking to her Instagram handle, Dean reacted to the 'controversial' runout and said, "An interesting end to the summer. What an honour it is to play at Lords in England colours. I guess I'll just stay in my crease from now on."

Earlier in the day, Deepti Sharma said that it was a plan, but one that was developed only after numerous warnings to Dean. Sharma stopped in the middle of her bowling action and pulled off the bails at the non-striker's end to send Dean back to the pavilion to complete a 3-0 victory over England in the three-match ODI series.

"It was a plan because we had warned her [for leaving the crease early] multiple times. We did things as per the rules and guidelines. We told the umpires as well, but she was there [outside the crease]. We couldn't do much," Deepti told reporters on her return to Kolkata on Monday.

Later, Injured England skipper Heather Knight hit back at the India all-rounder Deepti Sharma and accused her of "lying" and said that there were no warnings given to Dean.

Knight took to Twitter and said, "The game is over, Charlie was dismissed legitimately. India were deserved winners of the match and the series. But no warnings were given. They don't need to be given, so it hasn't made the dismissal any less legitimate."

"But if they're comfortable with the decision to affect the runout, India shouldn't feel the need to justify it by lying about warnings," Knight further added in her tweet on Monday.

Earlier India skipper Harmanpreet Kaur also came in support of her player and gave a blunt reply to the official broadcaster that no "crime" had been committed.

When questioned about the non-striker's end runout by Deepti after Harmanpreet had led India to an ODI series win in England after 23 years, she said, "Today, whatever we have done, I don't think it was any crime. It is part of the game and is an ICC rule, and I think we just need to back our players. I'm actually very happy she [Deepti] was aware of that, and the batter is taking too long a stride. I don't think she has done something wrong."

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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"If bowlers have to keep their foot behind the line, batsmen should do the same as well." &#55358;&#56631;*<br><br>South Africa's spin bowler Tabraiz Shamsi said for him there is 'no controversy' when asked about the Mankad dismissal. <a href="https://t.co/OicGoZsqFu">pic.twitter.com/OicGoZsqFu</a></p>— Sky Sports Cricket (@SkyCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1574693215285944320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

England all-rounder Moeen Ali was the latest to add his two cents to the discussion on running the non-striker out for backing up too much. The mode of dismissal has been at the heart of a heated debate ever since Deepti Sharma ran Charlie Dean out to seal India's 3-0 ODI series win in England. Moeen Ali, the England men's team vice-captain in white-ball cricket, suggested that the dismissal be made illegal and recommended other ways to tackle the problem of batters stealing ground.

"No it's not my thing. I don't think I'll ever do it unless I was really angry with someone," Moeen Ali was quoted as saying by The Telegraph.

"It's in the laws and there's nothing illegal so people that do it have the right, but I just hope it doesn't become a common thing, or something that's regularly done," he said.

"You're not really working to get a wicket. At least with a run-out, there's a bit of work that has to be done, and with all the other dismissals. This is just waiting for the guy and taking the bails off. Even when I played cricket as a kid in the garden, it's not my thing to do," Moeen added.

"You should be in your crease anyway, to be fair, but it's a difficult one. You don't really look at the bowlers. You feel like they're there and they're going to bowl, but if they're stopping, your momentum can take you out of your crease," he explained.

"I actually just think they should get rid of them," he said about the dismissal.

"We were discussing this the other day, how would you do it, because guys would then (pinch ground) but there should be a line where you can't go past and you know how the umpires look for the no-balls, they could potentially do the same for that and say, right, he's got one more, if he does it again, he's gone," he suggested.

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[MenInG]

In spite of an MCC statement reaffirming a non-striker run out is within the laws of the game, experienced England duo Jos Buttler and Moeen Ali have claimed they would not effect a dismissal should the situation arise.

The discourse of non-striker run outs by the bowler has not slowed down in the aftermath of the third women's ODI played out last week, with the match ended by Deepti Sharma running out Charlie Dean who had backed up out of her ground.

The dismissal is currently listed in the MCC's 'Unfair Play' section of the laws (41.16.1), where the non-striker is to be adjudged run out "if he/she is out of his/her ground when his/her wicket is put down by the bowler throwing the ball at the stumps or by the bowler’s hand holding the ball, whether or not the ball is subsequently delivered."

The section in the laws is to be moved to the 'Run Out' section from October 1, when an update to the ICC Playing Conditions comes into effect.

As the "guardian of the laws of the game" the MCC recently re-iterated its position after the dismissal which handed India a narrow 16-run win.

"Whilst (the dismissal) was indeed an unusual end to an exciting match, it was properly officiated and should not be considered as anything more," the statement from the MCC read.

"Where one person sees the bowler as breaching the Spirit in such examples, another will point at the non-striker gaining an unfair advantage by leaving their ground early.

"The Law is clear, as it needs to be for all umpires to be able to easily interpret throughout all levels of the game and at all moments in the game."

But two leading English men's players have spoken up on the issue, with Buttler indicating he would instruct an opposing batter to return, should they fall to the dismissal.

"No, I am calling the batsman back," Buttler told TalkSPORT.

"No one wants to see them in the game because they always create such a talking point when it should be about the battle between bat and ball and watching great games of cricket. They always seem to happen at unsavoury times."

Moeen, the man leading England in their current T20I series against Pakistan as Buttler nurses an injury, holds a similar view.

“No, it's not my thing,” Moeen told The Telegraph.

Pakistan debutant showered in praise following final over heroics
“I don't think I'll ever do it unless I was really angry with someone. It's in the laws and there's nothing illegal so people that do it have the right, but I just hope it doesn't become a common thing, or something that's regularly done.

“You’re not really working to get a wicket. At least with a run-out, there’s a bit of work that has to be done, and with all the other dismissals. This is just waiting for the guy and taking the bails off. Even when I played cricket as a kid in the garden, it’s not my thing to do."

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2809030

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Can we apply the same rule and logic to the bowlers?
First Beamer and you are out of the attack. No warning.
First bouncer in the over and it’s a no ball. No warning.
You foot lands in the danger zone and you are out of the attack - no warning.

Mankad without a warning is as ridiculous as it gets. Especially at this stance where there shouldn’t be any return point from here.



Otherwise, remove all warnings for the blowers and make it a uniformly fair play for all.

 

[MenInG]

Deepti Sharma got mixed reactions from the cricketing world for Mankading Charlotte Dean in the third and final ODI match of the series at the Lord’s Cricket Ground. The India women’s cricket team picked up an emphatic win over England women in the match to perform a whitewash against the home side. Australian women cricketer Ellyse Perry has now also responded to the incident and took a dig at the England women’s cricket team.

England needed 17 runs to win with one wicket and many overs left when Deepti Sharma stopped in her delivery stride and flicked the bails before bowling as Charlie Dean left the crease. The incident sparked a debate on social media with many English cricketers pointing out that it is against the spirit of the game. However, Deepti Sharma also got support from a lot of cricketers and now Ellyse Perry has also shared her thoughts on the incident.

The Australian all-rounder was talking to Grade Cricketer Podcast and said that he didn’t agree with the run-out but if it had to be done, then it should be done to England.

“I think the overall gist is no good, don’t do it, but if you’re going to do it, do it to England,” stated Ellyse Perry.

Deepti Sharma, on the other hand, was really positive about the incident and stated that she had informed the player before performing the run-out. She had revealed that the run-out was planned as the non-striker crossed the crease a lot of time during the match.

Despite the run-out being in the laws of the game, it created a massive social media outrage with English media blaming team India for going against the spirit of the game. Indians, on the other hand, sided with Indian players saying that the run-out was well within the rules set by the ICC.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...mas-mankading-incident-ind-vs-eng-odi-1044739

 

[MenInG]

"That creates a grey area."

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[Kaptan]

Can we apply the same rule and logic to the bowlers?
First Beamer and you are out of the attack. No warning.
First bouncer in the over and it’s a no ball. No warning.
You foot lands in the danger zone and you are out of the attack - no warning.

Mankad without a warning is as ridiculous as it gets. Especially at this stance where there shouldn’t be any return point from here.



Otherwise, remove all warnings for the blowers and make it a uniformly fair play for all.

Wrong comparison
1st point is mostly out of the bowler's control. No one bowls a beamer on purpose. Leaving or not leaving the crease before the ball is released is under the runner's control and they do it on purpose.

2nd point doesn't make any sense. 2 bouncers are allowed per over by law. Why would you warn someone for bowling one bouncer?

3rd point goes both ways, batters also run in the danger zone and they are not given out. Furthermore, there is no law that a bowler or batter will be removed if they run in the danger zone only once. However, there is a law against leaving the crease early.

It's actually a very simple thing to do, these batsmen face 140-150kmph deliveries, and can tell which way the ball is going to spin just by observing bowlers' grip from a distance. How difficult is it to leave the crease when the ball is released ?

 

[Zaz]

Im not surprised indian fans are defending this

If everyone starts to mankade anyone who slightly leaves their ground esrly the sport will turn into a joke and a farce

Whats the need to bowl out anyone when you can mankade every 2nd or 3rd ball

It might be in the law but its just not cricket

 

[Gilly]

If they did want to change the rules and not allow mankads then possibly they could make it law that if the batsmans bat is not behind the crease when the bowler releases the ball then that run will be declared a short run and not counted. In other words the batsmans bat must touch behind the crease after the release of the ball for the run to count.

 

[MenInG]

Hasnain the bowler, Brook at non-striker

 

[cricketjoshila]

Im not surprised indian fans are defending this

If everyone starts to mankade anyone who slightly leaves their ground esrly the sport will turn into a joke and a farce

Whats the need to bowl out anyone when you can mankade every 2nd or 3rd ball

It might be in the law but its just not cricket

If its in cricket laws, its cricket. Whining about it on social media by players of some fans wont change that fact.

English player was trying to take unfair advantage and was lawfully dismissed.

 

[MenInG]

If its in cricket laws, its cricket. Whining about it on social media by players of some fans wont change that fact.

English player was trying to take unfair advantage and was lawfully dismissed.

Seems that you have run out of arguments.

EVERYONE has the right to an opinion and to "whine" if they wish.

Kindly offer a counter argument to anything you don't like in their opinions.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Seems that you have run out of arguments.

EVERYONE has the right to an opinion and to "whine" if they wish.

Kindly offer a counter argument to anything you don't like in their opinions.

Again what is the opinion? A person was dismissed as per law. How does it make anyone wrong?

This looks more like English wanting to run things as per their whims, unfortunately for them they can't bully India.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Im not surprised indian fans are defending this

If everyone starts to mankade anyone who slightly leaves their ground esrly the sport will turn into a joke and a farce

Whats the need to bowl out anyone when you can mankade every 2nd or 3rd ball

It might be in the law but its just not cricket

It is not just cricket? Does it become football? Instead how about telling people not to leave the crease until the ball is fully delivereid. WHat is the difficulty in this? Noball is a human error. Same way backing up too far is also a human error. When you bowl noball you expect the bowler to fix his noball issues. Not "spirit of the game" to take care of the issue. Should be the same in this case.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Indians and their stupid habit of mankading. It was started by an Indian and they will keep doing these dumb stuff

U obviously have no idea of how this term was coined, and morever your pathetic bias is coming out in your comment

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

For the record :

- the term 'Mankaded' is a blot on the fair name of Mankad that has given India and the world-3 gen of Mankads - at FC and international level.

The Mankads played with a spirit and intensity but fair and within the rules, dignity in defeat and restraint in victory something typical of several gen of indian cricketers who donned our proud blue cap.

The Nawab of pataudi's, the Amarnaths, Umrigar, the Mankads, the Gaekwads, hazare, Merchant, Sunny, Vishy, Wadekar, Sardesai, solkar, Chandra, pras, kapil, Srinath, Anil, rahul, Sachin, Saurav & lately Jadeja, bumrah, and a few more who werent serial sledgomaniacs but played in the spirit and embodied the typical indian spirit of reslience.

A pity that the current mob might not be emulating this.

Any ways, to come to the main point, on the 1947-48 tour of australia, Bill brown playing in a FC fixture against india WAS WARNED by Mulvantrai (Vinoo) himmatlal Mankad who chose NOT to run him out even though Bill Brown took a head start & started running before the ball was delivered and therefore an unfair advantage.

In the next game, a test match ,Bill Brown did the same - took off before the ball was bowled - thereby giving an unfair advantage. Since he was WARNED BEFORE, Vinoo Mankad took the bails off whilst in delivery stride.

Unfortunately since his name was catchy -this dismissal was called by the aussie press as 'Mankaded'.
That was his only fault.

it should have been called 'BROWNED' as it was the batsman who was trying to take unfair advantage and thereby the instigator, NOT poor Vinoo Mankad who had warned the same guy earlier.

If the bowler was a 'wasim' or a 'waqar' or an 'ijaz' and this dismissal would be called a 'wasimed' or a 'waqared' or 'Ijazed' your guys would be crawling out the woodwork to defend this, like you are doing now, to put the boot in & unfairly so.

To set the record straight, Sir Donald Bradman defended Vinoo Mankad for his act of running Bill brown out, saying what he did was within the spirit of the game as well as the rules of the game.

Unfortunatly, due to his catchy name and due to the pre ordained bias some have against the fair name of indian cricket, this term has caught currency and is loosely bandied about.

Its a pity that the fair name of Mankad is dragged into the dirt with something that has the connotations of unsportsman like behaviour, just because his name was catchy - this is a millstone that hopefully some aussie journalist will carry around his/her neck.

If our BCCI has the cojones to do something right for a change, they should campaign for not calling this mode of dismissal as 'Mankaded' but something else like 'Bowler's backup ' or 'backup run out'.

Lastly, the one thing common about this whole mode of dismissal is, the team and its supporters who's player was dismissed in this manner will not even bat an eyelid when the boot is on the other foot, when their own player is the guy doing the dismissal.

Unfortunately, hypocrisy is a default characteristic inherent in every human being.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

England have denied her statement and Shes been called a liar

Again what is the opinion? A person was dismissed as per law. How does it make anyone wrong?

This looks more like English wanting to run things as per their whims, unfortunately for them they can't bully India.

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[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If its in cricket laws, its cricket. Whining about it on social media by players of some fans wont change that fact.

English player was trying to take unfair advantage and was lawfully dismissed.

Obviously it is in cricket law but I was expecting your favorite line 'koi sharam hoti hai, koi haya hoti hai' which would have fit perfectly on this occasion.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

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When one doesn't have class, they don't understand it's value either.



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That's the way to go about it. You have to warn first officially. What Indian players did was they planned without even giving a warning. If they did give a warning and Dean still keep on doing it then Indian players are not at fault here.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

That's the way to go about it. You have to warn first officially. What Indian players did was they planned without even giving a warning. If they did give a warning and Dean still keep on doing it then Indian players are not at fault here.

This is all what it is. Thanks!

 

[Zaz]

it was pathetic tbh Such a poor way to win a game If someone is stealing a yard how about stopping and giving them a warning.

Should everyone start mankading now? Why do no other country do it

India seem to making a habit of this unfortunately

 

[Colorblind Genius]

it was pathetic tbh Such a poor way to win a game If someone is stealing a yard how about stopping and giving them a warning.

Should everyone start mankading now? Why do no other country do it

India seem to making a habit of this unfortunately

Because most of their players have a class and caliber.

 

[Kaptan]

Ok then why Dipti Sharma is lying about it? Why didn't Dipti or Indian captain didn't lied when they were in England or on Twitter in English?
They think Indien people are stupid and you lie as much as you want in front of them?
Pathetic Dipti Sharma.

What a pitiful outlook.
How do you know Dipti, not the English captain, was the one who lied? Her words are meaningless if she can't speak in English, right?

 

[pratiktc]

Much ado about nothing from people trying to either take some imaginary moral high ground or else trying to use this for point scoring of country vs country to shame and ridicule other players/fans

ICC should simply put third umpire to use instead of making hazy rules around dismissal which always end up stirring pot.

Same like calling line noballs, 3rd umpire should start calling short runs every time non striker leaves crease before delivery.

Any player who costs their team few runs by being dozy at non strikers end will immediately wise up.

 

[Mobashir]

What a pitiful outlook.
How do you know Dipti, not the English captain, was the one who lied? Her words are meaningless if she can't speak in English, right?

Because no one in the Indian camp as answered the tweet of the English captain.
If her tweet was wrong, it is impossible that no one would have corrected her.

It's actually what makes me angry in the story. The attitude and the thinking of Dipti Sharma. She didn't lie when she was in England, nor did her captain. She waited to be in India, speaking hindi, speaking to indian people, and she thought that they are fools, I can tell them anything they will believe it.

That's the most pathetic thing ever.

 

[Zaz]

Why is that indian players, fans and commies just will go to any length to defend the indefensible

I mean its such a shame that some of people of stature in the game ruin that by unashamedly do the wrong thing because of some stupid notion of having to supposedly defend the countrys honour

 

[Kaptan]

Why is that indian players, fans and commies just will go to any length to defend the indefensible

I mean its such a shame that some of people of stature in the game ruin that by unashamedly do the wrong thing because of some stupid notion of having to supposedly defend the countrys honour

Because Dipti did the right thing and she is the one facing flack which is wrong. Whereas no one is talking about the real culprit and cheater Charlotte Dean.

 

[as-95]

Why is it always Indians mankading? Its clear that they are an unsporting team. Afridi was right when he said they dont have big hearts. Shame on India for resorting to cheap tactics.

Anyone claiming the batter is getting an unfair advantage should see the irony of someone violating the spirit of the game to mankading by getting an unfair advantage!

 

[Smbhayi]

Why is it always Indians mankading? Its clear that they are an unsporting team. Afridi was right when he said they dont have big hearts. Shame on India for resorting to cheap tactics.

Anyone claiming the batter is getting an unfair advantage should see the irony of someone violating the spirit of the game to mankading by getting an unfair advantage!

So by your logic Pak wt20 tournament win also invalidated bcs of Saeed Ajmal whose bended arm (by accident) miraculously straightened after icc strengthen the rule..

 

[Smbhayi]

And i always support mankading, you can always stand outside the crease with bat touches the crease.. how hard is that..?

 

[Zaz]

And i always support mankading, you can always stand outside the crease with bat touches the crease.. how hard is that..?

How about giving a warning to the players before running them out? Its a terrible way to win and sets a dangerous precedent

Whst kind of game would it be if everyone starting mankading

 

[Markhor]

I thought the nonstriker was extremely dozy during a critical juncture of the match and has nobody else to blame.

Where does it say a warning must be provided ? It's a legal runout. Stay in your crease and there'd be no drama.

 

[Smbhayi]

How about giving a warning to the players before running them out? Its a terrible way to win and sets a dangerous precedent

Whst kind of game would it be if everyone starting mankading

If everyone start mankading then non striker will be more careful..

 

[MP2011]

How about giving a warning to the players before running them out? Its a terrible way to win and sets a dangerous precedent

lol, likewise you will want bowlers to warn batsmen before bowling bouncers on them!

If bowling bouncers is legal, so is running someone out if someone is venturing out of his/her crease and trying to gain an unfair advantage!

If you don't know this, try reading cricket rules for once.

 

[MP2011]

I thought the nonstriker was extremely dozy during a critical juncture of the match and has nobody else to blame.

Where does it say a warning must be provided ? It's a legal runout. Stay in your crease and there'd be no drama.

Well said.

This warning thing is being discovered by those who want to make it into a big issue just because its an Indian who is being unfairly put in the dock.

 

[Saurav]

Shadab on it now

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[cricketjoshila]

How about giving a warning to the players before running them out? Its a terrible way to win and sets a dangerous precedent

Whst kind of game would it be if everyone starting mankading

Why give warning? Do the rules say that?

 

[HitWicket]

I do wonder what the response would have been if the undarm incident had taken place in the modern day.

 

[MenInG]

Well done young man

==

here has been a heated debate in the cricketing fraternity after India's Deepti Sharma ran England's Charlie Dean out at the non-striker's end during a women's ODI recently. However, ICC's rule book suggests that a bowler can do the same if the non-striker is out of the crease. During the third T20I between India and South Africa, pacer Deepak Chahar, too, had the chance to dismiss South Africa's Tristan Stubbs at the non-striker's end, but he decided against it. The incident happened in the 16th over when Chahar was about to bowl the first ball but stopped just short.

He warned Stubbs at the non-striker's end for backing up too far, and the youngster was left with a wry smile on his face.

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Eyeing a series sweep, India slumped to a comprehensive defeat against South Africa in the third T20I at the Holkar Stadium in Indore. With both Virat Kohli and KL Rahul rested, the Rohit Sharma-led side was outplayed by the Proteas in both departments.

Quinton de Kock gave South Africa a flying start, before Rilee Rossouw also joined him in the middle after the dismissal of Temba Bavuma. De Kock perished after a knock 68, but Rossouw continued his onslaught.

After managing back-to-back ducks, Rossouw turned his fortunes around with an unbeaten 100 as South Africa posted a total of 227 for three.

In reply, India were bowled out for 178, losing the game by 49 runs.

Both teams will now square off in a three-match ODI series, starting October 6.

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[MenInG]

England pacer James Anderson has said that running-out the non-striker when he or she is backing up too far ahead when the bowler has not even delivered the ball is not a "legitimate dismissal" in his opinion. In the third and final women's ODI between India and England, Deepti Sharma had run Charlie Dean out, and ever since then, this mode of dismissal is being widely debated within the cricket fraternity.

"Well, you know what? I thought, I knew we were going to talk about this today. So, on the train, on the way down, I thought 'right, I'm going to just get my thoughts together and try and eloquently lay my views out for everyone'. Within 30 seconds of thinking about it, I was fuming. It just infuriates me those people, I mean it infuriates me just because I think it's because I've been brought up, you know, in teams where we just wouldn't even consider doing something like that. And yes, it's in the laws of the game right now and they have obviously changed it so it's now a run-out," Anderson said on BBC's Tailenders Podcast.

Further talking about the issue, Anderson said: "I think now I really hope that players stay in their crease, just don't give people the option of doing it. I feel so much for Charlie Dean because she got herself in a position where she could have possibly won the game for England. She managed the game situation brilliantly, I don't think she was trying to steal a run, she just drifted and that is a natural thing for the batter to do, to walk along with the bowler."

"The issue for me was that Deepti was never thinking about bowling that ball. She was watching Charlie Dean the whole way and the moment she stepped out; she ran her out. That is what frustrates me about that dismissal. There has been a chat about giving warnings and the England camp talked about how there were no warnings. I don't see it as a legitimate dismissal when I play cricket. Where is the skill in that? It is just a sneaky way of getting someone out, I do not like it," he added.

Anderson also said that there should be penalty runs but the batter should not be dismissed if they venture out of their crease before the ball has been even delivered.

"I don't think batters should go down the pitch when the ball has not even delivered, but I don't think it should be a dismissal, there should be a warning or there can be penalty runs. That would be a better solution to it, just give them couple of warnings," said Anderson.

"Charlie Dean was in tears, the handshake from the Indian team, there was no compassion there. They did not even look her in the eye, if there was guilt about the dismissal, then don't do it then. India had won the series; it was not as if the series was on the line. It left a bitter taste for me, I don't know. It is not about being me an England player, if I was watching the match between two neutral teams, I still would not have liked it," he added.

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[atreus]

if you support using mankad to get wickets, you may as well support kicking someone under the belt to win a fight.

 

[Mp812]

if you support using mankad to get wickets, you may as well support kicking someone under the belt to win a fight.

The non striker steals 3 to 4 yards before the ball is delivered. In a 22 yard run thats almost 15% stolen upfront. Sometimes run outs are decided by inches.

In a 100 metre sprint the sprinter , Is he allowed to start steal 2-3 meters before the countdown ends and the gun is fired indicating race start, especially in races where gold and silver is decided by 1/10th of second or a few inches? A sprinter stealing a metre before actual race should be then considered in name of spirit of sport or gamemanship etc etc crap

 

[atreus]

there are much better ways then just getting them out , a run fine or atleast a warning before you do it in front of the jmpire is the way to go rather then using an extremely cheap method to get someone out , Mankad just leads to bowlers being able to take advantage in the intensity of the game and get the batsmen out in perhaps the cheapest way you can get them out.

 

[MenInG]

Mankad candidate?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Mankad candidate?

According to rules, yes.
But IMO, give him one official warning which should be sufficient for the ENTIRE batting team. No more warning to any other batsman of this team.

 

[asfandyar]

It seems wrong, but after some thought, I have changed my mind and am with India on this one.

First ICC introduced the two new balls rule, then banned using saliva to shine the ball, and have atrocious rules such as power play.

The gentleman's (or gentlewoman's) game doesn't have to be a sissy's game tilted heavily in the batsman's favor. I'd even introduce ball scruffing tools if it were up to me.

 

[MenInG]

Mitchell Starc tells England captain Jos Buttler not to leave his crease early at the non-striker’s end.

 

[MenInG]

A rather awkward silence followed soon after a journalist asked eight captains a tricky question ahead of the ICC T20 World Cup in Melbourne, Australia on Saturday

Finch was unaware of what took place but, while he kept his counsel about whether he would give the green light for his bowlers to dismiss batters that way and felt it was fair to offer a warning, he suggested he is generally against it.

“I think if guys get a warning, then it’s fair game after that,” Finch said.

“That would go for most teams, I assume, if you give a batter a warning, because you think that they’re gaining a little bit too much ground before the ball is bowled. But I’m not a big fan, personally.”

 

[JaDed]

I don’t understand this warning thing, why not just give the warning before the game? Why should every batsman get a warning?

 

[asfandyar]

Edges should be counted as half the runs. Why are wides penalized, but not edges? Why should no-balls be penalized but not premature running?

Pakistan should stand behind India on this one as bowling is our legacy, and we must stand up against anyone who tries to shift the equilibrium to the batting side. Why did Pakistan not record its disapproval when the "two new balls" rule was introduced?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Basically as per the stat that was presented twitter analyst Butler is a serial offender. He is merely using this tactic of not appealing as a captain just to protect himself from getting run out this way. Wow. That is some "spirit of cricket"

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don’t understand this warning thing, why not just give the warning before the game? Why should every batsman get a warning?

I think right before the match opposition captain should put out an official warning on twitter day before "We will run you out if you wander outside, consider this as an official warning". Doesn't have to happen in the match.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Edges should be counted as half the runs. Why are wides penalized, but not edges? Why should no-balls be penalized but not premature running?

Pakistan should stand behind India on this one as bowling is our legacy, and we must stand up against anyone who tries to shift the equilibrium to the batting side. Why did Pakistan not record its disapproval when the "two new balls" rule was introduced?

They make sure everything favors England at the end of the day. They will introduce 100 they will introduce T10, they will introduce T5. Others have to take it without question.

 

[James]

The gentleman's (or gentlewoman's) game doesn't have to be a sissy's game tilted heavily in the batsman's favor. I'd even introduce ball scruffing tools if it were up to me.

Legalise ball scuffing tools?

Thankfully, as you say, it is not up to you.

 

[JaDed]

Legalise ball scuffing tools?

Thankfully, as you say, it is not up to you.

Yes it was upto ICC and yet they didn't outlaw this rule did they? Then why is there so many opinion on it?

 

[asfandyar]

Legalise ball scuffing tools?

Thankfully, as you say, it is not up to you.

Expected from pom pom pommies. The moment the ball starts talking, the master blasters turn into meek ballerinas.

 

[MenInG]

Mitchell Starc has brainstormed an ingenious idea for how to end the habit of non-strikers backing up too far without compelling bowlers to create potentially ugly scenes by running them out.

While Starc created headlines by warning England’s captain Jos Buttler for backing up too far in a Twenty20 game in Canberra, he revealed that warning batters had been an almost constant theme of his career.

As a consequence, Starc told The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald he had thought through a solution: use the fixed cameras monitoring no-balls to also check if a batter is leaving the crease before the bowler’s front foot lands. If they move too early, umpires can then call a short run.

“While it is hard to do at all levels, why not take it out of the hands of interpretation and make it black and white?” Starc said. “There are cameras for front foot no-balls, a camera there all the time [in international cricket] and someone watching the line.

“Every time the batter leaves the crease before the front foot lands, dock them a run. There’s no grey area then. And in T20 cricket where runs are so handy at the back end and games can be decided by, one, two, three runs all the time, if all of a sudden you get docked 20 runs because a batter’s leaving early, you’re going to stop doing it aren’t you?

“Then there’s no stigma. It’s taken away from the decision to have to run someone out or think about it. If it’s blatant, it is a different story, but I feel like that is at least completely black and white.”

Starc said he had to warn seven different New Zealand batters during a recent ODI series in north Queensland, with some backing up by up to two metres before he had bowled.

“I’ve warned batters plenty of times, [Buttler] is not the first occasion,” he said. “I warned probably seven Kiwi batters in those ODI games in the Top End - some were two metres outside their crease.

“As I said to Jos, I could never see myself doing it, but it doesn’t mean that you should then feel free to leave your crease early.”

Asked whether he had allies in the Australian team about the concept, Starc joked that he would at least have the support of bowlers. He also noted the stigma of non-striker run-outs, despite law changes to make it more acceptable, was hard to shake.

Indian spin bowler Deepti Sharma’s runout of England batter Charlie Dean, to seal a victory for her team at Lord’s, has been a major talking point around the cricket world for more than three weeks.

Reactions in England were largely those of outrage, while in India, Deepti returned home to suggest that Dean had been warned multiple times before the climactic runout. Other international players, both women and men, have been divided about what they might have done.

“With what happened at Lord’s, with Deepti and Dean, there’s a lot of talk around it,” Starc said. “So the flavour of the month is the runout, what’s going on with it and the stigma around it and whether it’s right or wrong.

“I’m sure it’s probably going to pop its head up throughout the World Cup, no doubt. But whether anyone follows through and does it, I saw the captains say it wasn’t going to happen.

“It’s harder to do down the levels of cricket, but particularly in international cricket there are always going to be cameras square on for the front foot and for the run-outs. So, why not? And if it either makes the batters think about it, or stops it occurring, isn’t that a good thing?”

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...nd-mankad-run-out-stigma-20221018-p5bqok.html

 

[light]

I never understood why teams even need to give a warning. This is the only sport rule I know of if applied, fans and players starts throwing tantrum as if applying the legitimate rule is a crime. Lol, grow up. Ain't no need for approval from the opponent to apply a legitimate law that is part of the game. You don't want to get run out? Well, stay in your crease then. Where did this nonsense about warning players come from anyways? Before any balls are bowled, it is upto the players to read the rule books, not the bowlers job to remind them of the rules.

ICC came up with the rule, if anything, show your distaste towards them, not the players applying the rules. If I was a player, and I had 10 opportunity to do this during the match, I would do it whole heartedly 10x with a smile on my face. Applying the same rule that was laid out for me to use to take wickets by the law makers of this sport.

 

[gazza619]

Mitchell Starc has brainstormed an ingenious idea for how to end the habit of non-strikers backing up too far without compelling bowlers to create potentially ugly scenes by running them out.

While Starc created headlines by warning England’s captain Jos Buttler for backing up too far in a Twenty20 game in Canberra, he revealed that warning batters had been an almost constant theme of his career.

As a consequence, Starc told The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald he had thought through a solution: use the fixed cameras monitoring no-balls to also check if a batter is leaving the crease before the bowler’s front foot lands. If they move too early, umpires can then call a short run.

“While it is hard to do at all levels, why not take it out of the hands of interpretation and make it black and white?” Starc said. “There are cameras for front foot no-balls, a camera there all the time [in international cricket] and someone watching the line.

“Every time the batter leaves the crease before the front foot lands, dock them a run. There’s no grey area then. And in T20 cricket where runs are so handy at the back end and games can be decided by, one, two, three runs all the time, if all of a sudden you get docked 20 runs because a batter’s leaving early, you’re going to stop doing it aren’t you?

“Then there’s no stigma. It’s taken away from the decision to have to run someone out or think about it. If it’s blatant, it is a different story, but I feel like that is at least completely black and white.”

Starc said he had to warn seven different New Zealand batters during a recent ODI series in north Queensland, with some backing up by up to two metres before he had bowled.

“I’ve warned batters plenty of times, [Buttler] is not the first occasion,” he said. “I warned probably seven Kiwi batters in those ODI games in the Top End - some were two metres outside their crease.

“As I said to Jos, I could never see myself doing it, but it doesn’t mean that you should then feel free to leave your crease early.”

Asked whether he had allies in the Australian team about the concept, Starc joked that he would at least have the support of bowlers. He also noted the stigma of non-striker run-outs, despite law changes to make it more acceptable, was hard to shake.

Indian spin bowler Deepti Sharma’s runout of England batter Charlie Dean, to seal a victory for her team at Lord’s, has been a major talking point around the cricket world for more than three weeks.

Reactions in England were largely those of outrage, while in India, Deepti returned home to suggest that Dean had been warned multiple times before the climactic runout. Other international players, both women and men, have been divided about what they might have done.

“With what happened at Lord’s, with Deepti and Dean, there’s a lot of talk around it,” Starc said. “So the flavour of the month is the runout, what’s going on with it and the stigma around it and whether it’s right or wrong.

“I’m sure it’s probably going to pop its head up throughout the World Cup, no doubt. But whether anyone follows through and does it, I saw the captains say it wasn’t going to happen.

“It’s harder to do down the levels of cricket, but particularly in international cricket there are always going to be cameras square on for the front foot and for the run-outs. So, why not? And if it either makes the batters think about it, or stops it occurring, isn’t that a good thing?”

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...nd-mankad-run-out-stigma-20221018-p5bqok.html

Utter nonsense. DRS has already slowed down cricket. Lets not overkill.

 

[MenInG]

SRT about this contorversy:

"She was playing to what the laws of the game are"

"It is a rule now. If a player is short of the crease or doesn’t make the crease, then the batter is given out, right? Just like he misses a ball that’s heading toward stumps and in line of the stumps, he is given out lbw. So the ICC has introduced the rule that if you are out of the crease (before the ball is bowled), then you are run out"

"Whatever you are playing within the rules of the game, that is spirit of cricket"

 

[daytrader]

"To Hell With Spirit Of The Game": Hardik Pandya's Strong Take On Running Non-Striker Out
Hardik has time and time again shown that he has a clear understanding of the game, and in a latest, he has given the most sensible take on running out the non-striker if he/she is backing up too far ahead when the bowler is about to deliver the ball.

India all-rounder Hardik Pandya was at his best during the T20 World Cup Super 12 Group B match against Pakistan as he first took three wickets and then he played a crucial knock of 40 runs to help the Rohit Sharma-led side defeat register a four-wicket win. The year 2022 has been phenomenal for Hardik, as he first led Gujarat Titans to IPL title in their inaugural season, and then he has given some memorable performances for the national side.

Hardik has time and time again shown that he has a clear understanding of the game, and in a latest, he has given the most sensible take on running out the non-striker if he/she is backing up too far ahead when the bowler is about to deliver the ball. This mode of dismissal came under severe scrutiny once again when India's Deepti Sharma ran-out England's Charlie Dean during an ODI.

"We need to stop making a fuss about this running out the non-striker. It is a rule, as simple as that. To hell with the spirit of the game, if it is there, it is there. Personally, I have no problem with it. If I am out of my crease, and someone runs me out, it is fine. It is my mistake," Hardik said on the latest episode of 'ICC Review'.

Hardik also explained why he thinks that match-ups are "over-rated" in the shortest format of the game. "Matchups don't work for me, see where I bat and the situation I get into, I do not get the option of matchups. You see matchups are more for the people who are batting in Top 3 or 4. For me, it is just the situation. There have been times, when I would like to take on a bowler, but if the situation does not demand it, I do not take that risk as it is going to harm my team," said Hardik.

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"I am never okay with that. Matchups, it is over-rated. I do not mind saying it, in T20 cricket, it is over-rated. In ODIs and Tests, it might work but in T20s, I do not believe it. Yes, I have not won a World Cup, but I have won other tournaments and I do not think I have ever worried about matchups," he added.

Lastly, talking about his ambitions, Hardik said: "Ever since I have made a comeback, the ambition is to the best version of myself and to get the best out of myself. I am running towards, not greatness I would say, but excellence. I am running towards excellence, if I want to achieve something, I think it would be excellence, not the performance. At the end of my career, if I can say to myself, you know what Hardik, you achieved excellence at one point of time, it would be great."

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[leatherface58]

Spirit of cricket is always brought up when someone messes up and asks for a second chance or in case of Dean, 72nd chance.

 

[Mp812]

Hardik Pandya on 'Mankading': To hell with the spirit of the game!
Hardik says 'Personally, I have no problem with it (running out for backing up far at the non-striker's end). If I am walking out (of the crease) and someone runs me out, that is my mistake.'

 

[Kriketer]

This rule is fine, why advantage runner/batsmen when ball hasn't been played yet by the bat? Cricket is already heavily batting friendly so this rule gives advantage to bowling side to use it to their advantage. Running before is against the spirit of the game. More teams should utilize it.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Will be intertesting if Hardik uses this in any of the matches at the world cup. It will cause a furore.

 

[James]

Will be intertesting if Hardik uses this in any of the matches at the world cup. It will cause a furore.

The reaction from Indian fans when one of their own players gets run out in this way is going to be fascinating.