What's new

[VIDEO/PICTURE] Riyan Parag's bizarre horizontal-arm off break in IPL 2021

Firebat

Firebat

PakPassion Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Mar 19, 2015
Runs
15,745
In today's Rajasthan vs Punjab game, Riyan Parag came up with a different tactic to try to stop Chris Gayle:

<div style="width: 100%; height: 0px; position: relative; padding-bottom: 56.250%;"><iframe src="https://streamable.com/e/851tur" frameborder="0" width="100%" height="100%" allowfullscreen style="width: 100%; height: 100%; position: absolute;"></iframe></div>

Surely one of the strangest action balls I've seen. Not even Malinga or Kedar Jadhav's round arm bowling had such a horizontal arm. He's brilliant just to get that on target.

amir1.jpg
 
Last edited:
Wow! Thats pretty weird, maybe just borderline legal as he goes down enough to have his hand just about shoulder height. Still umpires should keep an eye.
 
You can see what he was trying to do, angle the ball across towards Gayle's pads.

However, if he had collapsed his knee and bowled with the straight arm action, he would have attained the same general delivery.
 
There is obviously value in surprising the batsman, and Parag was bowling to the Universe Boss :))

Parag vs. Gayle: 2 balls, 1 run, 1 wicket

Of course, probably not something Parag do too often. His main job anyway is batting, he is the youngest batsman to score a fifty in IPL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riyan_Parag
 
Barragan said:
That definitely looks like a throw!
Click to expand...

Why? Elbow is not bent outside legal limits and hand is above the waist.

Technically speaking, an underarm delivery is one in which the bowler's hand does not rise above the level of the waist. The Laws of Cricket now (2000 Code) declare that an underarm delivery is illegal unless otherwise agreed before the match.[6]
A delivery is a no-ball if it bounces more than twice before passing the popping crease: an underarm delivery cannot be performed rolling along the ground. A pitched underarm delivery is a good ball, providing it only pitches once, and providing the opposing captain has agreed beforehand that the style may be used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underarm_bowling#In_modern_cricket
Click to expand...
 
Napa said:
Why? Elbow is not bent outside legal limits and hand is above the waist.
Click to expand...

It's not about a bent elbow or not, it is about the degree of straightening which shouldn't go above 15 degrees.

You can bowl with a bit of bent elbow, for as long as the straightening isn't above the limit.

This is a bit difficult to measure because it doesn't go through the normal rotation and could lead to a slippery road down the line.
 
i used to bowl these in backyard cricket, can act as a surprise ball, esp if u pitch it back of a length and it skids on, if u want one dot ball then the surprise factor can do that i guess, didnt think anyone would try it in a professional game tho.
 
Lol at some people bringing up quality of IPL again n again as if they just can't accept the bitter truth that it is the Top League

What has Ryan Parag bowling with slingy action got anything to do with quality? Malinga did it throughout his Career. Parag is just a a part timer.

In fact i appreciate such street smart people. As a competitor you try to do anything you can to get advantage, as long as it's withing the rule.
 
Last edited:
Barragan said:
It's not about a bent elbow or not, it is about the degree of straightening which shouldn't go above 15 degrees.

You can bowl with a bit of bent elbow, for as long as the straightening isn't above the limit.

This is a bit difficult to measure because it doesn't go through the normal rotation and could lead to slippery road down the line.
Click to expand...

Yes, it is indeed the "degree of straightening" which you now say is "a bit difficult to measure". Earlier you said "That definitely looks like a throw!".

Extra_Cover said:
Baseball pitcher legal in cricket?
Click to expand...

Not sure about the baseball comparison. Baseball pitchers can legally straighten their arms, which Parag did not.
 
OpeningBatsman said:
Lol at some people bringing up quality of IPL again n again as if they just can't accept the bitter truth that it is the Top League

What has Ryan Parag bowling with slingy action got anything to do with quality? Malinga did it throughout his Career. Parag is just a a part timer.

In fact i appreciate such street smart people. As a competitor you try to do anything you can to get advantage, as long as it's withing the rule.
Click to expand...

Parag vs. Universe Boss: 2 balls, 1 run, 1 wicket

Enough said :))
 
Last edited:
Indiafan said:
Everything is questionable when its immature people doing the questioning
Click to expand...

Well thank you for the wonderful insight as many crickets fans are questioning this dodgy action.

Maybe it's time to refer to the IPL as the Immature Premier League?
 
El Generico said:
Is this even legal? Does IPL have same rules as international cricket?
Click to expand...

It would be legal in international cricket as it is not below the waist and his elbow didn't straighten.

"Technically speaking, an underarm delivery is one in which the bowler's hand does not rise above the level of the waist. The Laws of Cricket now (2000 Code) declare that an underarm delivery is illegal unless otherwise agreed before the match.[6]
A delivery is a no-ball if it bounces more than twice before passing the popping crease: an underarm delivery cannot be performed rolling along the ground. A pitched underarm delivery is a good ball, providing it only pitches once, and providing the opposing captain has agreed beforehand that the style may be used."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undera...modern_cricket
 
Technics 1210 said:
Well thank you for the wonderful insight as many crickets fans are questioning this dodgy action.

Maybe it's time to refer to the IPL as the Immature Premier League?
Click to expand...

Which rules of cricket is this breaking? What is dodgy and according to which cricketing rule?
 
Indiafan said:
Which rules of cricket is this breaking? What is dodgy and according to which cricketing rule?
Click to expand...

The umpire had a word with him after the delivery. That's how dodgy the delivery was. He didn't bowl another delivery like it again.

So before you start calling others immature for questioning what is clearly a dodgy action; have a word with the umpires first; listen to the commentators, then you can pass your judgement on maturity.
 
Sorry to me he chucked flung that should have been called a no ball.

Making a mockery of the gentleman's game, already this pyjama league has led to the death of cricket the last thing we need is this sort of mockery of the game to be allowed
 
I love how some fans are using this picture to put down IPL.

if you want to see the qualitative difference you only had to watch the IPL game and the Pakistan/ SA game side by side.
 
Word of warning before someone gets banned - stick to the topic.
 
IPL is the best

Haters love to hate.

This kind of stuff is great innovation, just like reverse hits.

Brilliant
 
Napa said:
Technically speaking, an underarm delivery is one in which the bowler's hand does not rise above the level of the waist. The Laws of Cricket now (2000 Code) declare that an underarm delivery is illegal unless otherwise agreed before the match.
Click to expand...
Wow. I never knew you could bowl as low as just above the waist. So you could technically bowl with the arm angled below shoulder height? Imagine a bowler bowling all his balls like this.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
Wow. I never knew you could bowl as low as just above the waist. So you could technically bowl with the arm angled below shoulder height? Imagine a bowler bowling all his balls like this.
Click to expand...

Nah, the waist doesn't have anything to do with it, the arm has to reach the horizontal.
 
Napa said:
Do you have a reference for this claim?
Click to expand...

Although the laws don't specifically define underarm bowling the laws for an illegal action make use of the point of the arm reaching the horizontal/shoulder level as a reference point indicating that actually has to happen. There's no mention of the waist.

Laws 21.2 Fair delivery - the arm
A ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler’s arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing...
 
HitWicket said:
Although the laws don't specifically define underarm bowling the laws for an illegal action make use of the point of the arm reaching the horizontal/shoulder level as a reference point indicating that actually has to happen. There's no mention of the waist.

Laws 21.2 Fair delivery - the arm
A ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler’s arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing...
Click to expand...

Genuinely interested to know if Malinga's arm reached the level of the shoulder at the point of delivery, won't be surprised if there were occasions when the sling was from a lower trajectory.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Genuinely interested to know if Malinga's arm reached the level of the shoulder at the point of delivery, won't be surprised if there were occasions when the sling was from a lower trajectory.
Click to expand...

Malinga would actually generally have his arm well above his head at some point in his action. He'd also drop his body quite a bit so his point of release would usually comfortably be above his shoulders if not still above his head.
 
IPL is a circus league where big names gather to make money, party. They do not put even half of their actual capabilities in the games.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I have watched him bat live for the first time. What a talent he is. He is 100 times better some losers that played for Pakistan in the lower middle order recently
 
HitWicket said:
Although the laws don't specifically define underarm bowling the laws for an illegal action make use of the point of the arm reaching the horizontal/shoulder level as a reference point indicating that actually has to happen. There's no mention of the waist.

Laws 21.2 Fair delivery - the arm
A ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler’s arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing...
Click to expand...

The entire rule reads "A ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler's arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing, the elbow joint is not straightened partially or completely from that instant until the ball has left the hand".

It doesn't say anywhere in the rule that "once the bowler's arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing" it may not proceed to dip below the shoulder before the ball has left the hand.
 
MesonK said:
IPL is a circus league where big names gather to make money, party. They do not put even half of their actual capabilities in the games.
Click to expand...

Yes that's why the players constantly break bones and get major injuries and look so much under pressure. Once in a while its good to come put of fantasies and SEE what's happening in the real world, what you want to happen is not whats actually happening
 
Napa said:
The entire rule reads "A ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler's arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing, the elbow joint is not straightened partially or completely from that instant until the ball has left the hand".

It doesn't say anywhere in the rule that "once the bowler's arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing" it may not proceed to dip below the shoulder before the ball has left the hand.
Click to expand...

I didn't suggest it did, getting the ball above shoulder height and then having it below shoulder height at the point of release is going to be make it pretty difficult to bowl a legal delivery though given the angles.
 
Indiafan said:
Yes that's why the players constantly break bones and get major injuries and look so much under pressure. Once in a while its good to come put of fantasies and SEE what's happening in the real world, what you want to happen is not whats actually happening
Click to expand...

What makes you think that performers don't break bones and get injured in a Circus? Apart from IPL have you even watched a circus in your life ? :inti
 
He is an Indian player so no rules of ICC for him....
Trust me even in our gully mohalla cricket he wouldn't have been allowed to bowl....
This is a black mark on cricket,IPL,BCCI and ICC
 
Mr Crickekter said:
He is an Indian player so no rules of ICC for him....
Trust me even in our gully mohalla cricket he wouldn't have been allowed to bowl....
This is a black mark on cricket,IPL,BCCI and ICC
Click to expand...

true, legal for them , illegal and against the spirit for anyone else.

I despair where cricket is going lead by India.
 
images (24).jpg

Its amazing how people were defending this guy's action for 6 years and across 7 icc tournaments and when banned, defended his honour and said the rules needed modification but are up in arms about Riyan. :)
 
Mr Crickekter said:
He is an Indian player so no rules of ICC for him....
Trust me even in our gully mohalla cricket he wouldn't have been allowed to bowl....
This is a black mark on cricket,IPL,BCCI and ICC
Click to expand...

Yes. BCCI rules the cricket. Even though it's a legal delivery, BCCi rules the cricket world. Everyone should have accepted it 10 years ago.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
View attachment 108654

Its amazing how people were defending this guy's action for 6 years and across 7 icc tournaments and when banned, defended his honour and said the rules needed modification but are up in arms about Riyan. :)
Click to expand...
Go back in history and you will find answers. The rule was bent more than his arm to ensure ban. That happened after murli and bhajji retired. He kept getting cleared by ICC since 2008, and then ICC had to change the rule to ensure his action becomes illegal. So legal because illegal for Indian fans like you. How is that even acceptable for an organizational body?
 
ahmedzee said:
Go back in history and you will find answers. The rule was bent more than his arm to ensure ban. That happened after murli and bhajji retired. He kept getting cleared by ICC since 2008, and then ICC had to change the rule to ensure his action becomes illegal. So legal because illegal for Indian fans like you. How is that even acceptable for an organizational body?
Click to expand...

Murali had a genuine elbow issue. Bhajji was a chucker. Akmal just took it to the next level.
 
:)) Maybe I need to finally watch the IPL, I've never seen a single match but gotta verify if it's the "world's best league"
 
ahmedzee said:
Go back in history and you will find answers. The rule was bent more than his arm to ensure ban. That happened after murli and bhajji retired. He kept getting cleared by ICC since 2008, and then ICC had to change the rule to ensure his action becomes illegal. So legal because illegal for Indian fans like you. How is that even acceptable for an organizational body?
Click to expand...

ICC did not change any rule. They just started enforcing it better from 2014. Ajmal lied through his teeth and claimed he could not bowl with a straight arm and then bowled with a perfectly straight arm on comeback.
 
Mr Crickekter said:
If this seems illegal to you....
Then what about Ryan.....it looks like a lady throwing stones...
Click to expand...

What about Malinga then ? This was one delivery. Malinga bowled a million.
Do check the rules about chucking, and understand why Malinga was not branded a chucker.
 
ahmedzee said:
Go back in history and you will find answers. The rule was bent more than his arm to ensure ban. That happened after murli and bhajji retired. He kept getting cleared by ICC since 2008, and then ICC had to change the rule to ensure his action becomes illegal. So legal because illegal for Indian fans like you. How is that even acceptable for an organizational body?
Click to expand...

Except ICC didn't change any rules. What bowlers like Ajmal were doing was that they were chucking in matches but not in tests. ICC just changed the test so that even in testing your acton needed to be super imposed on your match action.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
This just shows you don't understand chucking. There's no straightening in Riyan's action at all.
Click to expand...

Indiafan said:
Except ICC didn't change any rules. What bowlers like Ajmal were doing was that they were chucking in matches but not in tests. ICC just changed the test so that even in testing your acton needed to be super imposed on your match action.
Click to expand...

didn't change the rules but changed the test. They changed the test methodologies as well. Go check it out. I vivid remember that methodology puts majority spinners and bowlers over the limit. And the timing was perfect, before world cup. I call that changing the rules. One day you have clean action in 2014, the other day you don't, just due to the test. Come on! I call it unfair and cheating as well.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
This just shows you don't understand chucking. There's no straightening in Riyan's action at all.
Click to expand...

Then what about your Turbunator....

Although Riyan parags action could be legal but the way he bowled it looks he has surrendered before batsman....and he is begging before him.... please get out...
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
What about Malinga then ? This was one delivery. Malinga bowled a million.
Do check the rules about chucking, and understand why Malinga was not branded a chucker.
Click to expand...

Check malinga action....even a kid can declare him clear....
And your Ryan,Kedhar,even Harbachan are the chuckers...
Ryan and Kedhar are directly Throwing.....to play (dhandi) is in your culture....not in ICC
 
Mr Crickekter said:
Check malinga action....even a kid can declare him clear....
And your Ryan,Kedhar,even Harbachan are the chuckers...
Ryan and Kedhar are directly Throwing.....to play (dhandi) is in your culture....not in ICC
Click to expand...

In terms of chucking Parags action here would pretty much be as clean as an action could possibly be. The arm only reaches the shoulder height a tiny fraction of a second before release therefore there's no time for any change in the angle at the elbow.
 
Mr Crickekter said:
Check malinga action....even a kid can declare him clear....
And your Ryan,Kedhar,even Harbachan are the chuckers...
Ryan and Kedhar are directly Throwing.....to play (dhandi) is in your culture....not in ICC
Click to expand...

There are just frustrated rants. Provide facts to prove your argument, as per what law Riyan was chucking.
Harbjahans action was reported and then he came back after re-testing and action modification.
Jadhav also has not been reported by ICC till now to my knowledge.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

MenInG
[VIDEO] Incredible hitting by Logan Van Beek in Super Over versus West Indies
Replies
2
Views
893
Major
M
MenInG
[VIDEO] Najam Sethi takes offence to a question on what's been achieved in the Asia Cup saga
Replies
69
Views
6K
Savak
Savak
MenInG
[VIDEO] Shahid Afridi invites Pakistan squad to home for dinner, meet Jahangir Khan
Replies
17
Views
5K
MenInG
MenInG
MenInG
[VIDEOS] England's superior bowling and fielding plans in this series
Replies
11
Views
2K
Savak
Savak
MenInG
[PICTURES/VIDEO] Was Sarfaraz Ahmed given out stumped wrongly?
Replies
43
Views
6K
PakLFC
P
Back
Top