[VIDEO] Police in Wisconsin shoot black man in back multiple times, sparking protests

[Gilly]

That’s a rather tortuous set of false equivalences for just one sentence.

It’s over twice as high per capita for blacks. I am advocating for the police to stop applying excessive and disproportionate use of force based on race.

Facts do not support your statement.

I'm all for finding ways to reduce the amount of deaths from police but if we cant face the truth then we have little chance of achieving the desired result. Interaction between whites and the police is roughly twice the interactions between blacks and police. Deaths from these interactions are roughly the same. What needs to be focused on is reducing the amount of interactions between police and blacks.

Blacks are far more likely to shoot, stab or injure a policeman than a white person which is one of the reasons that the police react differently at times. A good education program not just for the police but for blacks also to try and reduce the aggression and violence when these interaction occur will do more good than blaming the cops and completely ignoring the underlying issues that need to be addressed.

 

[Gilly]

Is there a statistic to show how many cops are shot by black people in the last 12 months, last 2 years and 5 years?

Because we hear a lot about cops feeling they’re in danger etc so I’d be interested to see the numbers

It is hard to get stats on stats of police being shot but here are some stats from 2016 on violent crimes.

Arrest for murder
White 4192
Black 4935

Violent crimes
White 241,063
Black 153,431

As you can see per capita makes no sense.

 

[Gilly]

Is there a statistic to show how many cops are shot by black people in the last 12 months, last 2 years and 5 years?

Because we hear a lot about cops feeling they’re in danger etc so I’d be interested to see the numbers

The best I could find.

Cops killed Last 12 months
whites 28
blacks 15

Cops killed Last 2 years
whites 60
blacks 38

Cops killed Last 5 years
whites 137
blacks 89

Cops killed Last 10 years
whites 303
blacks 199


https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2019/tables/table-42.xls

 

[MenInG]

Portland mayor Ted Wheeler on Sunday slammed Donald Trump, accusing the president of encouraging the kind of violence that erupted in the city overnight when a reported member of a rightwing group was shot dead after a group of Trump supporters confronted Black Lives Matter protesters.

“What America needs is for you to be stopped,” Wheeler said of Trump, after the president tore into Wheeler on Twitter in the hours after the death and retweeted video footage of his supporters in trucks firing paintballs and pepper spray at protesters downtown.

His sentiments were echoed in a statement by Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden in which he unequivocally condemned violence on all sides, while accusing Trump of “recklessly encouraging” it.

“He may believe tweeting about law and order makes him strong — but his failure to call on his supporters to stop seeking conflict shows just how weak he is,” Biden’s statement on Sunday said.

The Department of Homeland Security is a rogue agency. Democrats must take action

It wasn’t clear if the shooting was linked to fights that broke out as some from the procession of about 600 vehicles, many flying large “Trump 2020” flags, revved and honked their way through narrow downtown streets, seeming to taunt protesters in the cityon Saturday night. Some of the demonstrators threw objects in response, especially after paintballs were fired towards the sidewalks

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ters-clash-with-black-lives-matter-protesters

 

[Star_Coffee]

And I believe if you had posted something with data, logic and facts to have arrived at a conclusion, in the name of voicing your opinion.

But, your 5 paragraphs starting with “IF” and ending at “You are the problem”, didn’t leave much of choice but to give you freedom of not following instructions when police is holding a gun at you.

And by doing that, you will prove that at least YOU are not the problem (anymore).

You want a date.

One life lost due to disproportional force used just to not obey police is one too many. How about that for data? and, if you do not see that as an issue, then, "you are the problem".

There's no logic in defending disproportional force used, which kill, just because a person did not follow orders by a gun pointing police officer.

carry on with your defense.

And, yes!, there's also systemic racism, look it up.

 

[Star_Coffee]

You want a date.

One life lost due to disproportional force used just to not obey police is one too many. How about that for data? and, if you do not see that as an issue, then, "you are the problem".

There's no logic in defending disproportional force used, which kill, just because a person did not follow orders by a gun pointing police officer.

carry on with your defense.

And, yes!, there's also systemic racism, look it up.

data*

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Blacks are far more likely to shoot, stab or injure a policeman than a white person which is one of the reasons that the police react differently at times. A good education program not just for the police but for blacks also to try and reduce the aggression and violence when these interaction occur will do more good than blaming the cops and completely ignoring the underlying issues that need to be addressed.

This is what it is.
It's a game probabilities. The streets are super dangerous, and unlike in UK and other countries, every other criminal and thug has a load gun in his possession here in United States.

So in split of a second, it's either the police officer or suspect who will lose his life.

And because of these rampant guns in the streets, police rightly so, doesn't like to take a chance. It's kill or be killed.

Sorry folks, this is not UK where a lamer will take a pocket size knife out and waive it in the air to scare the heck out of police officers.

The amount of people killed due to guns in the streets is not even funny when you compare it to other first world countries.

Yes, Flyod's case does not relate to this and his death was totally wrong; however, in general, when police interacts with suspects who are armed or show signs of being armed, then police usually doesn't take the chance.
Tasers don't stand a chance against loaded guns.

You want a date.

One life lost due to disproportional force used just to not obey police is one too many. How about that for data? and, if you do not see that as an issue, then, "you are the problem".

There's no logic in defending disproportional force used, which kill, just because a person did not follow orders by a gun pointing police officer.

carry on with your defense.

And, yes!, there's also systemic racism, look it up.

Yes Sherlock,
When police is pointing a loaded gun towards you, then one of the instructions is,

"Place your hands on your head where I can see them."

And a genius like yourself is at liberty to move his hands towards his pockets or reach out for something in his car.
Consequences are usually served at the spot.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is what it is.
It's a game probabilities. The streets are super dangerous, and unlike in UK and other countries, every other criminal and thug has a load gun in his possession here in United States.

So in split of a second, it's either the police officer or suspect who will lose his life.

And because of these rampant guns in the streets, police rightly so, doesn't like to take a chance. It's kill or be killed.

Sorry folks, this is not UK where a lamer will take a pocket size knife out and waive it in the air to scare the heck out of police officers.

The amount of people killed due to guns in the streets is not even funny when you compare it to other first world countries.

Yes, Flyod's case does not relate to this and his death was totally wrong; however, in general, when police interacts with suspects who are armed or show signs of being armed, then police usually doesn't take the chance.
Tasers don't stand a chance against loaded guns.



Yes Sherlock,
When police is pointing a loaded gun towards you, then one of the instructions is,

"Place your hands on your head where I can see them."

And a genius like yourself is at liberty to move his hands towards his pockets or reach out for something in his car.
Consequences are usually served at the spot.

There are consequences for trigger happy cops shooting dead black people in a hurry as well, like streets burning and riots erupting across pockets of America.

 

[Star_Coffee]

This is what it is.
It's a game probabilities. The streets are super dangerous, and unlike in UK and other countries, every other criminal and thug has a load gun in his possession here in United States.

So in split of a second, it's either the police officer or suspect who will lose his life.

And because of these rampant guns in the streets, police rightly so, doesn't like to take a chance. It's kill or be killed.

Sorry folks, this is not UK where a lamer will take a pocket size knife out and waive it in the air to scare the heck out of police officers.

The amount of people killed due to guns in the streets is not even funny when you compare it to other first world countries.

Yes, Flyod's case does not relate to this and his death was totally wrong; however, in general, when police interacts with suspects who are armed or show signs of being armed, then police usually doesn't take the chance.
Tasers don't stand a chance against loaded guns.



Yes Sherlock,
When police is pointing a loaded gun towards you, then one of the instructions is,

"Place your hands on your head where I can see them."

And a genius like yourself is at liberty to move his hands towards his pockets or reach out for something in his car.
Consequences are usually served at the spot.

Name-calling may erroneously make you feel like a smart one.

Flyod had knee on his kneck

Atlanta (wendy's) suspect was running away from the cop, shot in the back.

Wisoconsin, a person was shot 7 times in the back for walking back to his car.

Are you seeing the difference? or you want to keep resorting to calling names so you can feel special?

No one protested or rioted for killing someone who pointed their guns in the face of cop by the cop

 

[Star_Coffee]

There are consequences for trigger happy cops shooting dead black people in a hurry as well, like streets burning and riots erupting across pockets of America.

Training and rampant racism within the police force is an issue.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Name-calling may erroneously make you feel like a smart one.

Flyod had knee on his kneck

Atlanta (wendy's) suspect was running away from the cop, shot in the back.

Wisoconsin, a person was shot 7 times in the back for walking back to his car.

Are you seeing the difference? or you want to keep resorting to calling names so you can feel special?

No one protested or rioted for killing someone who pointed their guns in the face of cop by the cop

Floyd's case was clear use of excess force by the officer.
Atlanta suspect reached for the officer's taser and used it against the officer.
Kenosha suspect was a felon and did not obey cops. He kept walking away and opened his car door and reached for something before he was shot.

 

[Star_Coffee]

Floyd's case was clear use of excess force by the officer. -- This one was recorded.
Atlanta suspect reached for the officer's taser and used it against the officer.- watch the video, he removed the taser from his body, did not try to attack the cop, did not warranted to be shot multiple times to be killed--trigger happy cop, a taught able reaction, hence training is an issue.
Kenosha suspect was a felon and did not obey cops. He kept walking away and opened his car door and reached for something before he was shot.- being a felon isn't a criterion or excused to be shot 7 times in the back and how did the police officer determine he was a felon without running his info, training is not to dismantle and apprehend the suspect, training is to completely neutralize a suspect, incase of African American community, excessively, quickly without having a second thought..

Desi communities need to educate themselves on systemic racism in the US.

 

[IMMY69]

Floyd's case was clear use of excess force by the officer.
Atlanta suspect reached for the officer's taser and used it against the officer.
Kenosha suspect was a felon and did not obey cops. He kept walking away and opened his car door and reached for something before he was shot.

7 times in the back?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

There are consequences for trigger happy cops shooting dead black people in a hurry as well, like streets burning and riots erupting across pockets of America.

No one is denying police brutality and systemic stereotyping against a certain race in America *BUT* there is an undeniable amount crime related statistical data the forces some police officers to do what they are NOT supposed to do.

There are thousands upon thousands of good cops who put their lives at risk for a mere $70K odd a year and fight crime in our streets where gun violence is one of the highest in the world. And I salute those cops.

Sorry, we don't live in a perfect rosy world where everything is happy and dandy.

When 6.2% of blacks are responsible for 54% homicides in the country - then it's is bound to create some stereotyping against black race. Whether it's right or wrong, is anyone's guess.

Think about it, why do some cops have stereotyping only against one particular race here in United States?

Why don't millions of Asians, Latin Americans, Arabs etc aren't in the streets of USA protesting police racism and trigger happy cops against their particular race?

Black race needs help and justice - there is no doubt in it.
But they must start helping themselves. No one is going to come from outside and fix it all for them.

And yeah, many of these "protesters" don't give a flying flock about black lives and black race - they are just waiting an opportunity to Burn Look and Murder - notice, it also stands for BLM.

Here are couple of samples for your "protesters".

Notice two things very important here.

The psychological and bonding of a family.

1 - They do not loot or rob each other.
They are giving every member of the family to take a chance to loot in a good organized manner.
None is actually stopping each other for doing something they are not out in the streets for, in the name defending their race in a peaceful protest against police.

2 - And then notice the number of whites in the looters.
So no, white race is not all angels either but you will get the idea.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No one is denying police brutality and systemic stereotyping against a certain race in America *BUT* there is an undeniable amount crime related statistical data the forces some police officers to do what they are NOT supposed to do.

There are thousands upon thousands of good cops who put their lives at risk for a mere $70K odd a year and fight crime in our streets where gun violence is one of the highest in the world. And I salute those cops.

Sorry, we don't live in a perfect rosy world where everything is happy and dandy.

When 6.2% of blacks are responsible for 54% homicides in the country - then it's is bound to create some stereotyping against black race. Whether it's right or wrong, is anyone's guess.

Think about it, why do some cops have stereotyping only against one particular race here in United States?

Why don't millions of Asians, Latin Americans, Arabs etc aren't in the streets of USA protesting police racism and trigger happy cops against their particular race?

Black race needs help and justice - there is no doubt in it.
But they must start helping themselves. No one is going to come from outside and fix it all for them.

And yeah, many of these "protesters" don't give a flying flock about black lives and black race - they are just waiting an opportunity to Burn Look and Murder - notice, it also stands for BLM.

Here are couple of samples for your "protesters".

Notice two things very important here.

The psychological and bonding of a family.

1 - They do not loot or rob each other.
They are giving every member of the family to take a chance to loot in a good organized manner.
None is actually stopping each other for doing something they are not out in the streets for, in the name defending their race in a peaceful protest against police.

2 - And then notice the number of whites in the looters.
So no, white race is not all angels either but you will get the idea.

But I'm not arguing in defence of black rioters, no doubt there is plenty of crime in that community, I have Gilly mentioning that oft cited statistic about broken homes due to black fathers leaving the family nest. I am sure that could be looked at in finer detail, but probably deserves a thread of it's own.

My only point in this topic was that police being trigger happy isn't the answer, it has built a them and us siege mentality which is dividing the nation.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

7 times in the back?

7 times was excessive. Remember, the officer might be a little weak. Not every officer reacts the same way.

7 or 2, if it hits the right spot, the person will be dead. If the suspect shoots first before the cop, the cop will be dead or suffer major injuries.

 

[Markhor]

Another way to look at it is this.
If men are violent then men are also very constructive.
And if we go granular, it's gonna hit you again. If white population is violent and it's racist and it has done a lot of injustice, then trust me, white population has done QUITE A LOT OF GOOD for humanity as well.

Here you go.
I am not saying this, you heard it from the horse's mouth.

If you are UK based, you might wanna turn on the captions or hear it a couple of times to fully understand his words.

Are you seriously quoting a loon in Pastor James Manning who believes Starbucks put semen into their drinks to turn people gay ?

A man who's called for the stoning of gay people ? A man who believes Pres Obama struck a deal with terrorists to attack western countries ?

Your credibility is shot when you start quoting cranks and extremists.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Are you seriously quoting a loon in Pastor James Manning who believes Starbucks put semen into their drinks to turn people gay ?

A man who's called for the stoning of gay people ? A man who believes Pres Obama struck a deal with terrorists to attack western countries ?

Your credibility is shot when you start quoting cranks and extremists.

The poster lost all credibility when he wrote no black woman has ever been raped by a white man in America. You have to be cuckoo to even think this could be true.

A lof of people are just racist towards blacks but wont admit it, clear to see who those are on this thread.

 

[Star_Coffee]

No one is denying police brutality and systemic stereotyping against a certain race in America *BUT* there is an undeniable amount crime related statistical data the forces some police officers to do what they are NOT supposed to do.

There are thousands upon thousands of good cops who put their lives at risk for a mere $70K odd a year and fight crime in our streets where gun violence is one of the highest in the world. And I salute those cops.

Sorry, we don't live in a perfect rosy world where everything is happy and dandy.

When 6.2% of blacks are responsible for 54% homicides in the country - then it's is bound to create some stereotyping against black race. Whether it's right or wrong, is anyone's guess.

Think about it, why do some cops have stereotyping only against one particular race here in United States?

Why don't millions of Asians, Latin Americans, Arabs etc aren't in the streets of USA protesting police racism and trigger happy cops against their particular race?

Black race needs help and justice - there is no doubt in it.
But they must start helping themselves. No one is going to come from outside and fix it all for them.

And yeah, many of these "protesters" don't give a flying flock about black lives and black race - they are just waiting an opportunity to Burn Look and Murder - notice, it also stands for BLM.

Here are couple of samples for your "protesters".

Notice two things very important here.

The psychological and bonding of a family.

1 - They do not loot or rob each other.
They are giving every member of the family to take a chance to loot in a good organized manner.
None is actually stopping each other for doing something they are not out in the streets for, in the name defending their race in a peaceful protest against police.

2 - And then notice the number of whites in the looters.
So no, white race is not all angels either but you will get the idea.

why do some cops have stereotyping only against one particular race here in United States?

exactly, why?

When 6.2% of blacks are responsible for 54% homicides in the country - then it's is bound to create some stereotyping against black race

Sure, but why is that? what makes black people commit more crimes in the US ?

Why don't millions of Asians, Latin Americans, Arabs etc aren't in the streets of USA protesting police racism and trigger happy cops against their particular race?

Why?

Black race needs help and justice - there is no doubt in it.
But they must start helping themselves. No one is going to come from outside and fix it all for them.

How?

Looting is the reaction and no one with any honesty and decency would use that to justify an officer to use excessive force to kill a black person just because he did not comply with an officer. Ridiculous.

 

[Star_Coffee]

The poster lost all credibility when he wrote no black woman has ever been raped by a white man in America. You have to be cuckoo to even think this could be true.

A lof of people are just racist towards blacks but wont admit it, clear to see who those are on this thread.

wow, that poster did? amazing, making sense now.

 

[Firebat]

Trump will not condemn shooting of Kenosha protesters, White House says

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Trump would not condemn the shooting of protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

McEnany was asked if the president would condemn the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17-year-old who has been charged with fatally shooting two protesters.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reporter asks if President Trump condemns the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse, the teen charged for killing two protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin.<br><br>McEnany: "The president is not going to weigh in on that" <a href="https://t.co/Nj065CIsxp">https://t.co/Nj065CIsxp</a> <a href="https://t.co/TcPrKXS1oo">pic.twitter.com/TcPrKXS1oo</a></p>— CBS News (@CBSNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1300481849085571072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

“The president is not going to, again, weigh in on that,” McEnany said.

The press secretary indicated Trump may address the issue later today, during a briefing that was not on the president’s original schedule.

It’s worth noting that Trump has repeatedly “weighed in” on the fatal shooting of a reported member of a right-wing group in Portland since it happened on Saturday night.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Indian-origin Family Suffer Loss Worth $2.5 Million after Business Burned to Ground During Kenosha Riots.

Indian-origin family, which owned a car dealership in Kenosha, suffered a loss of over $2.5 million after their business was destroyed in a fire allegedly set by a mob amid protests over the shooting of a 29-year-old African-American man in the US' Wisconsin city, according to a media report.
Kenosha News reported that Anmol Khindri, a member of the family who owned the dealership "Car Source", estimated the monetary losses from the massive fire amount to be over $2.5 million. The owners of the dealership are now "desperately seeking" help to recover their losses, the report said.
Jacob Blake was shot seven times in his back by a police officer on August 23 and remains in a hospital. The dealership was attacked when a mob descended into its lot and begin smashing cars on the first night of unrest last Sunday. There was an explosion and subsequent fire that spread from one vehicle to the next, one resident told Kenosha News.
Khindri said police notified him of the damage, but he feels little was done to prevent them.
"Everybody watched it burn to ashes," he said. "Nobody did nothing about it, nothing," Khindri said the business is at a complete loss for what it should do next as insurance is not providing any immediate help. "I have a family to feed. I have 20 other families who have worked for this business over the last eight or nine years."
Khindri called for more protections for local businesses currently suffering from the impact of circumstances out of their control. "It's easy for the government to say 'alright, guys, you're on your own. I'm sorry, your insurance doesn't cover it. Oh, I'm sorry for your loss.' No, that's not an answer. This happened because they let it happen."
A report in Fox News quoted Khindri as saying that the trauma of losing the business is "horrific," adding that the insurance company has failed to provide immediate support and, as of last week, the destruction was labelled as "domestic terrorism."
The Fox News report said that prior to the destruction, Car Source had more than 140 vehicles available for sale, according to its website. Afterward, video showed the charred remains of dozens of cars - with only a few left unscathed.
The report added that Josie Rodriguez, a resident of a house adjacent to Car Source, recalled seeing a mob descend into the lot and begin smashing cars. The business was allegedly attacked twice and the total loss is estimated at $2.5 million.
Charred scraps and shattered glass littered the area, where other downtown buildings had been badly damaged nights before.
Rodriguez said it was a "terrifying time" as she saw an explosion and the fire spreading quickly from one vehicle to the next. "I'm talking flames licking the sky. They were so big. And you hear, 'boom, boom, boom' - explosion, after explosion, after explosion."
Rodriguez said she then dialed 9-1-1 again, but help did not come. Dispatchers told her it was not safe for firefighters to respond to the scene, she said.
Car Source has organised a GoFundMe camping to raise funds to help it recover some losses. The business aims to raise $500,000 in total.
Blake's shooting comes just three months after the death of African-American George Floyd at the hands of a white police officer that had triggered massive protests, looting and rioting across the US, with hundreds of thousands of demonstrators taking to the streets across the country protesting against repeated police brutality and systemic racism.
Blake, who was shot seven times in the back, was stepping away from officers who had their guns drawn. At the time of the shooting, Blake's three young sons, ages 3, 5 and 8 were sitting in a car at the scene.

https://www.news18.com/news/india/i...t-to-ground-during-kenosha-riots-2836553.html

 

[MenInG]

US President Donald Trump has defended supporters of his for their alleged roles in recent deadly street clashes.

He suggested a teen accused of killing two in Wisconsin last week and Trump fans involved in clashes in Oregon on Saturday were acting in self-defence.

Mr Trump pointed out his Democratic White House challenger, Joe Biden, has not specifically disavowed far-left activists accused of civil disorder.

Mr Biden is leading in opinion polls ahead of November's election.

At Monday's White House news conference, Mr Trump blamed Mr Biden and his allies for violence in cities run by Democratic mayors and governors.

A CNN reporter asked the Republican president whether he would condemn supporters of his who fired paint pellets during a confrontation with counter-protesters at the weekend in Portland, Oregon.

In the ensuing street clashes, a member of a right-wing group, Patriot Prayer, was killed by a suspect who has reportedly described himself as a member of antifa, a loosely-affiliated network of mainly far-left activists.

On Monday, police named the man who was shot dead as Aaron Danielson. No arrest has been made.

"Well, I understand they had large numbers of people that were supporters, but that was a peaceful protest," Mr Trump replied to the CNN reporter, in an apparent veiled dig at US media outlets whom he has previously accused of ignoring violence at Black Lives Matter demonstrations.

"Paint as a defensive mechanism, paint is not bullets.

"Your supporters, and they are your supporters indeed, shot a young gentleman who - and killed him, not with paint, but with a bullet. And I think it's disgraceful."

Another reporter asked Mr Trump whether he would condemn a shooting in Kenosha, Wisconsin, allegedly by a teenager once pictured at one of the president's rallies.

Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, is accused of shooting three people, two fatally, last week amid demonstrations in the city over the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

"We're looking at all of that," Mr Trump said in his first public comments on the shooter, "that was an interesting situation, you saw the same tape as I saw, and he was trying to get away from them, I guess, it looks like. And he fell, and then they very violently attacked him.

"And it was something that we're looking at right now, and it's under investigation.

"I guess he was in very big trouble, he probably would have been killed."

Two Democratic congressmen pilloried Mr Trump for the remarks. Joe Kennedy III of Massachusetts tweeted: "This is the United States President justifying a double murder by a white man illegally carrying an assault rifle across state lines."

Kyle Rittenhouse, who has been charged as an adult, has not yet been brought to trial.

Eric Swalwell of California tweeted that the president had just made Republicans "the Mass Shooter Party".

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53980128

 

[MenInG]

The father of a black man shot by police has refused to "play politics" with his son's life when Donald Trump visits the city of Kenosha on Tuesday.

Jacob Blake's shooting sparked a fresh wave of anti-racism protests in the US, prompting calls for President Trump to acknowledge him and his family.

The president will meet police officers on the visit, but not the Blake family.

The visit comes with "law and order" becoming highly politicised ahead of the 3 November presidential election.

In an interview with CNN, Mr Blake's father, Jacob Blake Sr, said his son's life was more important than a meeting with President Trump.

"I'm not getting into politics. It's all about my son, man. It has nothing to do with a photo op," he said.

Local officials have urged Mr Trump to not visit Kenosha, in the state of Wisconsin, fearing his presence in the city may reignite protests that have calmed down in recent days.

But Mr Trump has rejected their pleas, accusing Democratic mayors and governors of failing to get a grip on the violence as he bids to make law and order a key issue in his bid to a win a second term in the White House.

Ahead of the Kenosha trip, the president said he would not meet Mr Blake's family because they wanted lawyers to be present.

What did Blake's father say?
"This is not politics. This is about the life of my son," Mr Blake Sr said, adding that his son was still paralysed from the waist down, "holding on for dear life".

Jacob Blake, 29, was shot several times in the back by a police officer during an arrest, as Mr Blake tried to get into a car where his three children were seated.

"We are dealing with an individual that a couple of weeks ago was running around with the boys and talking to me on the phone and laughing to an individual that cannot move his leg," Mr Blake Sr said.

The officer involved in the shooting on 23 August, named as Rusten Sheskey, has been placed on administrative leave while an investigation takes place.

Mr Blake Sr said that since his son's shooting he had "received some threats".

Asked how his family was coping, Mr Blake Sr said he had had to take his other son, 20, to hospital because he was depressed.

The father gave no further details but added: "It's sad to me how people don't understand the kind of pressure this family is under."

Why is Trump's Kenosha visit controversial?
The governor of the state, Democrat Tony Evers, has urged Mr Trump to reconsider his trip, warning his presence will "hinder our healing" and arguing that the citizens of the town are already traumatised.

The White House said the president was expected to meet with law enforcement and tour "property affected by recent riots".

Mr Trump has also defended a teenage supporter accused of fatally shooting two men amid demonstrations over Mr Blake's shooting in Kenosha last week.

Who is US teen accused of Wisconsin protest murders?
He suggested that Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was acting in self-defence, telling reporters: "I guess he was in very big trouble, he probably would have been killed

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53982099

 

[MenInG]

US President Donald Trump has visited Kenosha, Wisconsin, to back law enforcement after the police shooting of a black man sparked civil strife.

The Republican president blamed "domestic terror" for the "destruction" in the Midwestern city.

Kenosha saw days of violence after police shot Jacob Blake in the back and left him paralysed on 23 August.

Opinion polls show Mr Trump is narrowing Democratic rival Joe Biden's lead ahead of November's election.

The president is pushing a strong "law and order" message. Mr Biden has accused Mr Trump of stoking racial division.

"Fires are burning and we have a president who fans the flames rather than fighting the flames," the former US vice-president said ahead of Tuesday's trip.

What did Trump say in Kenosha?
The president visited areas damaged in the protests, including a burnt-out furniture store destroyed in the upheaval.

"These are not acts of peaceful protest, but really domestic terror," he told local business leaders at a round table meeting in a high school gym.

Mr Trump defended the actions of US police and accused the media of focusing only on "bad" incidents involving officers.

"You have people that choke," he said. "They are under tremendous pressure. And they may be there for 15 years and have a spotless record and all of a sudden they're faced with a decision. They have a quarter of a second to make a decision. And if they make a wrong decision, one way or the other, they're either dead or they're in big trouble.

"And people have to understand that. They choke sometimes."

The president did show some empathy for those hurt in confrontations with police, saying he felt "terribly for anybody who goes through that". But he said he did not believe there was systemic racism in law enforcement.

Mr Trump said he sent the National Guard into Kenosha, though they were deployed by Wisconsin's governor and supported by 200 federal law enforcement officials ordered in by the president.

He also said his administration would provide nearly $4m (£3m) to help Kenosha businesses that had been damaged in the riots and $1m for city law enforcement.

Demonstrators have accused outside agitators of violently hijacking their protests. Kenosha police said at the weekend that 105 out of 175 suspects arrested during the unrest came from outside the city.

Why didn't Trump meet the Blake family?
The president said he did not meet the Blake family because they had wanted lawyers present.

Mr Trump instead said he was honoured to have the African-American co-pastors of Mr Blake's mother at the roundtable.

Co-pastor Sharon Ward said: "I think it's important to have black people at the table to help solve the problem."

Earlier in an interview with CNN, Mr Blake's father, Jacob Blake Snr, said his son's life was more important than a meeting with President Trump.

"I'm not getting into politics. It's all about my son, man. It has nothing to do with a photo op," he said.

Mr Blake Snr said his son was still paralysed from the waist down, "holding on for dear life".

A police officer shot Jacob Blake seven times in the back during an arrest as the 29-year-old tried to get into a car where his three children were seated.

How did Democrats react to the visit?
Mr Trump's visit to Kenosha went ahead despite appeals from the Democratic mayor and governor to stay away.

Over the weekend Kenosha Mayor John Antaramian said it was not a good time for Mr Trump to visit.

"Realistically, from our perspective, our preference would have been for him not to be coming at this point in time," he told National Public Radio.

Wisconsin's Democratic Governor Tony Evers also warned against the visit, saying it would "hinder our healing".

Congressman Mark Pocan, a Wisconsin Democrat who grew up in Kenosha, said on Twitter the president visited the city "to spread hate".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53989076

 

[MenInG]

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden has met the family of a black man shot in the back by police on a visit to Kenosha, Wisconsin.

They held private talks when Mr Biden landed in the state.

The city is recovering after sometimes violent protests over Jacob Blake's shooting and the state is a key area in November's presidential election.

President Trump visited earlier in the week to signal his support for police, but did not meet Mr Blake's family.

Neither Mr Biden nor Mr Blake's family have commented on their meeting yet, but before leaving Mr Biden said he would call for unity when he visited Kenosha.

"We have to heal," Mr Biden said.

His visit comes two days after President Trump defied requests to stay away from the city from local leaders, including the Democratic governor.

Mr Biden said that there had been "overwhelming requests" he visit, adding that his presence would be a "positive influence" that would help "put things together and bring people together". President Trump's campaign has accused him of playing politics.

Two people protesting against the shooting of Mr Blake were killed in Kenosha amid widespread looting and vandalism.

Mr Biden's visit comes two weeks after he accepted his party's nomination from Delaware, rather than Milwaukee, Wisconsin's largest city, after the coronavirus caused the Democratic convention to go entirely online. It also comes one day after the Kenosha mayor lifted the curfew after several nights of relative calm.

"The last several nights have been relatively peaceful in the community, and in the judgment of law enforcement, it is appropriate to remove the curfew," Mayor John Antaramian said on Wednesday.

What happened on Trump's trip?
During Mr Trump's visit on Tuesday, he toured rubble from burned buildings and met with police representatives.

"These are not acts of peaceful protest but, really, domestic terror," Mr Trump said, later adding: "We have to condemn the dangerous anti-police rhetoric."

He said he passed on the opportunity to speak to Mr Blake's family after they requested to have lawyers present.

In 2016, Mr Trump won Kenosha county by only 255 votes. He narrowly won Wisconsin in 2020, with the state for decades backing the winner of the presidential poll whether Republican or Democrat.

What are people saying about Biden's visit?
Anthony Davis, the president of the local chapter of the NAACP civil rights group, told NBC that he opposes Mr Biden's visit, just as he did Mr Trump's.

"I said that Kenosha would welcome them any other time," he said. "But things here are fragile. And we, in this community, really need to put our energy into healing ourselves, sitting down and speaking in detail only the way that locals can."

Mr Trump's campaign manager Bill Stepien told Fox News that Mr Biden's visit was inappropriate.

"The president was there earlier in the week as the president of the United States. Vice-President Biden is there today as a candidate, as a political candidate," he said on Thursday.

"This is not the time to be injecting politics into a really serious situation that president helped solve. I think it very very clearly points out the contrast between the president's leadership and the people in Vice President Biden's party who are encouraging violence in the streets."

Mr Biden has condemned violent protests since June after the death for George Floyd in Minneapolis.

What is the background?
A police officer shot Jacob Blake seven times in the back during an arrest as the 29-year-old tried to get into a car where his three children were seated.

Mr Biden has called for the officer who shot him in the back to be arrested. "He believes that, based on everything he has seen, charges appear warranted, but that there should be a full investigation to ensure all the facts are known first," his campaign said ahead of the trip.

In an interview on Wednesday, Attorney General Bill Barr said the situation is different to that of George Floyd, whose death in March triggered global protests.

"Floyd was already subdued, incapacitated in handcuffs and was not armed," Mr Barr said. "In the Jacob case, he was in the midst of committing a felony and he was armed."

Mr Jacob was not armed when he was shot, but a knife was later found in his car by investigators.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54017735

 

[aloo paratha]

There is a video available.

There can be no context to this, the chap was stopping a fight between two women. Police arrived, the victim went to his car and was shot multiple times without any danger to the racist cops, no gun and no weapon was found.

Haha how wrong did this turn out to be. Mr Blake wasn't breaking up a fight. His ex GF called the police on him because he wasn't allowed on the property. The reason he wasn't allowed on the property was because he sexually assaulted his ex GF and then stole her car months prior.

The police tried to taser him twice. He still resisted and made his way to his car. A knife was found in his car. What did you want the cops to do? Let him pull out a knife and stab them?

 

[aloo paratha]

Sure, but why is that? what makes black people commit more crimes in the US ?

Are you insinuating that some external force is making these Black men commit more crime? Are black people not responsible for their own actions?

 

[Technics 1210]

Haha how wrong did this turn out to be. Mr Blake wasn't breaking up a fight. His ex GF called the police on him because he wasn't allowed on the property. The reason he wasn't allowed on the property was because he sexually assaulted his ex GF and then stole her car months prior.

The police tried to taser him twice. He still resisted and made his way to his car. A knife was found in his car. What did you want the cops to do? Let him pull out a knife and stab them?

The media has these lefty loons right where they want them to be.

Talk about egg on your face. Perhaps the lefty loon have learned their lesson, context is everything, not a half baked video.

Bachare.

 

[Gilly]

There is a video available.

There can be no context to this, the chap was stopping a fight between two women. Police arrived, the victim went to his car and was shot multiple times without any danger to the racist cops, no gun and no weapon was found.

This post is full of lies and false pretenses. The woman rang the police because Blake was not supposed to be at that house due to a court order. He had a warrant for sexually assaulting the woman, this is a fact. The police tried to take him into custody but he resisted and fought with the police even getting one of the police officer into a headlock, this is a fact. He was tased two times but that didnt work, this is a fact ( people high on drugs dont respond to tasers). He told the police he had a knife, there is audio of that so it is a fact. A knife was found in the car on the driver side floorboards, this is also a fact.

 

[aloo paratha]

The media has these lefty loons right where they want them to be.

Talk about egg on your face. Perhaps the lefty loon have learned their lesson, context is everything, not a half baked video.

Bachare.

Lefty SJWs are a joke. It's like all logic is thrown out the window.

 

[sweep_shot]

The reason why North American cops are more aggressive is because of the fact criminals here are very aggressive also. In USA, due to 2nd amendment, people can have many dangerous weapons. So, cops have to be armed heavily.

Having said that, cops need to be careful in order to not rile up general population. Protests are not good for local businesses and these business owners end up losing a lot.

 

[aloo paratha]

The media has these lefty loons right where they want them to be.

Talk about egg on your face. Perhaps the lefty loon have learned their lesson, context is everything, not a half baked video.

Bachare.

Trust me they don't learn. I got into an argument on Instagram with a girl from my school on this subject. She had posted an image on her story which said the same nonsense that "he was just breaking up a fight and was shot 7 times for it". Told her that he wasn't so innocent, and that black people do not have excessive force used against them by police (linked a whole video that showed actual statistics). I was then blocked, she said "If you say something so far fetched and wrong people will block you", obviously she couldn't actually tell me where or how I was wrong (because I wasn't). What makes it worse is that she didn't even watch the video. These people aren't even open to hearing a different perspective.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Indian-origin Family Suffer Loss Worth $2.5 Million after Business Burned to Ground During Kenosha Riots.

Indian-origin family, which owned a car dealership in Kenosha, suffered a loss of over $2.5 million after their business was destroyed in a fire allegedly set by a mob amid protests over the shooting of a 29-year-old African-American man in the US' Wisconsin city, according to a media report.
Kenosha News reported that Anmol Khindri, a member of the family who owned the dealership "Car Source", estimated the monetary losses from the massive fire amount to be over $2.5 million. The owners of the dealership are now "desperately seeking" help to recover their losses, the report said.
Jacob Blake was shot seven times in his back by a police officer on August 23 and remains in a hospital. The dealership was attacked when a mob descended into its lot and begin smashing cars on the first night of unrest last Sunday. There was an explosion and subsequent fire that spread from one vehicle to the next, one resident told Kenosha News.
Khindri said police notified him of the damage, but he feels little was done to prevent them.
"Everybody watched it burn to ashes," he said. "Nobody did nothing about it, nothing," Khindri said the business is at a complete loss for what it should do next as insurance is not providing any immediate help. "I have a family to feed. I have 20 other families who have worked for this business over the last eight or nine years."
Khindri called for more protections for local businesses currently suffering from the impact of circumstances out of their control. "It's easy for the government to say 'alright, guys, you're on your own. I'm sorry, your insurance doesn't cover it. Oh, I'm sorry for your loss.' No, that's not an answer. This happened because they let it happen."
A report in Fox News quoted Khindri as saying that the trauma of losing the business is "horrific," adding that the insurance company has failed to provide immediate support and, as of last week, the destruction was labelled as "domestic terrorism."
The Fox News report said that prior to the destruction, Car Source had more than 140 vehicles available for sale, according to its website. Afterward, video showed the charred remains of dozens of cars - with only a few left unscathed.
The report added that Josie Rodriguez, a resident of a house adjacent to Car Source, recalled seeing a mob descend into the lot and begin smashing cars. The business was allegedly attacked twice and the total loss is estimated at $2.5 million.
Charred scraps and shattered glass littered the area, where other downtown buildings had been badly damaged nights before.
Rodriguez said it was a "terrifying time" as she saw an explosion and the fire spreading quickly from one vehicle to the next. "I'm talking flames licking the sky. They were so big. And you hear, 'boom, boom, boom' - explosion, after explosion, after explosion."
Rodriguez said she then dialed 9-1-1 again, but help did not come. Dispatchers told her it was not safe for firefighters to respond to the scene, she said.
Car Source has organised a GoFundMe camping to raise funds to help it recover some losses. The business aims to raise $500,000 in total.
Blake's shooting comes just three months after the death of African-American George Floyd at the hands of a white police officer that had triggered massive protests, looting and rioting across the US, with hundreds of thousands of demonstrators taking to the streets across the country protesting against repeated police brutality and systemic racism.
Blake, who was shot seven times in the back, was stepping away from officers who had their guns drawn. At the time of the shooting, Blake's three young sons, ages 3, 5 and 8 were sitting in a car at the scene.

https://www.news18.com/news/india/i...t-to-ground-during-kenosha-riots-2836553.html

This is exactly what it is.
Hardworking tax payer is punished, criminals thugs and scums get rewarded.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Haha how wrong did this turn out to be. Mr Blake wasn't breaking up a fight. His ex GF called the police on him because he wasn't allowed on the property. The reason he wasn't allowed on the property was because he sexually assaulted his ex GF and then stole her car months prior.

The police tried to taser him twice. He still resisted and made his way to his car. A knife was found in his car. What did you want the cops to do? Let him pull out a knife and stab them?

This post is full of lies and false pretenses. The woman rang the police because Blake was not supposed to be at that house due to a court order. He had a warrant for sexually assaulting the woman, this is a fact. The police tried to take him into custody but he resisted and fought with the police even getting one of the police officer into a headlock, this is a fact. He was tased two times but that didnt work, this is a fact ( people high on drugs dont respond to tasers). He told the police he had a knife, there is audio of that so it is a fact. A knife was found in the car on the driver side floorboards, this is also a fact.

My post was written on the 24th August, with the info available at the time. You both reply to it over 2 weeks later and think you are the all knowledgable. lol

There was no reason to shoot someone 7 times in the back, he made no threats or took action to harm the racist coppers. Its a shame people are still justifying this but I guess he's black so its ok.

Lets wait until it gets to court, we cannot take the word of a racist police force as gospel.
[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], talking about lies. Can you explain why the man you defend at every opportunity lied about meeting Blake's family pastor?

Its the right wing, racists who are liars like Trump and the pathetic American police force.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

My post was written on the 24th August, with the info available at the time. You both reply to it over 2 weeks later and think you are the all knowledgable. lol

There was no reason to shoot someone 7 times in the back, he made no threats or took action to harm the racist coppers. Its a shame people are still justifying this but I guess he's black so its ok.

Lets wait until it gets to court, we cannot take the word of a racist police force as gospel.
[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], talking about lies. Can you explain why the man you defend at every opportunity lied about meeting Blake's family pastor?

Its the right wing, racists who are liars like Trump and the pathetic American police force.

We have to wait until the results come in.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

My post was written on the 24th August, with the info available at the time. You both reply to it over 2 weeks later and think you are the all knowledgable. lol

There was no reason to shoot someone 7 times in the back, he made no threats or took action to harm the racist coppers. Its a shame people are still justifying this but I guess he's black so its ok.

Lets wait until it gets to court, we cannot take the word of a racist police force as gospel.
[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], talking about lies. Can you explain why the man you defend at every opportunity lied about meeting Blake's family pastor?

Its the right wing, racists who are liars like Trump and the pathetic American police force.

"racist coppers and racist police"?
That's an allegation without evidence.

You are hell bent to defend your rudimentary rant, without realizing that the cops gave that convicted criminal, a lot more time and chance to obey the law then they would usually give. I salute the officers for following the protocols and gave the convicted criminal more than enough chance.
But you wouldn't understand this concept.

I hope, for a minimum, you would learn to avoid having a knee jerk reaction and start jumping up and down after seeing a chopped and skewed piece of news that sits well with your preemptive mindset.

 

[KingKhanWC]

"racist coppers and racist police"?
That's an allegation without evidence.

You are hell bent to defend your rudimentary rant, without realizing that the cops gave that convicted criminal, a lot more time and chance to obey the law then they would usually give. I salute the officers for following the protocols and gave the convicted criminal more than enough chance.
But you wouldn't understand this concept.

I hope, for a minimum, you would learn to avoid having a knee jerk reaction and start jumping up and down after seeing a chopped and skewed piece of news that sits well with your preemptive mindset.

A man was brutally shot 7 times in the back, shooting someone in the back is cowardly.

American police is institutionaly racist, this isnt a secret pal.

Dont you like black people?

 

[Lurker_Ind]

A man was brutally shot 7 times in the back, shooting someone in the back is cowardly.

American police is institutionaly racist, this isnt a secret pal.

Dont you like black people?

The Criminal and the Cop should settle their scores by wrestling in an Akhada?

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Criminal and the Cop should settle their scores by wrestling in an Akhada?

Its not Bombay. Stop watching Amitabh punching a man 10 x in 5 seconds.

You only shoot somone if they are a threat to the police or to others, this wasnt the case. Shooting the back is cowardly. He was one man with no gun, no knife allowed to walk around. If these cops had any courage, they could restrain the man very quickly and safely.

 

[aloo paratha]

My post was written on the 24th August, with the info available at the time. You both reply to it over 2 weeks later and think you are the all knowledgable. lol

There was no reason to shoot someone 7 times in the back, he made no threats or took action to harm the racist coppers. Its a shame people are still justifying this but I guess he's black so its ok.

Lets wait until it gets to court, we cannot take the word of a racist police force as gospel.
[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], talking about lies. Can you explain why the man you defend at every opportunity lied about meeting Blake's family pastor?

Its the right wing, racists who are liars like Trump and the pathetic American police force.

That's why you wait for some facts to come out before you jump on the "racist cops" bandwagon. You said "there can be no context for this", except there's a lot of context, which makes it look worse for Mr Blake.

There was reason to shoot him, 7 times is excessive though. He was was resisting arrest, and was walking to his car. He did take action that could lead to hurting the officers. He could've easily pulled out a gun or a knife(which is what he was actually going to do, a knife was found on the floor of his car), or used the car as a weapon. If the police waited longer this could've happened to them:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CERjKVKgV8D/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Both those cops in the above video got shot (fortunately I think they both lived), and the criminal made off.

The cops have the right to defend themselves. Jacob Blake was a threat to the cops as well as everybody around (including his ex and kids) and they successfully neutralized that threat.

Race has nothing to do with this. White people die in manners similar to this at the hands of police, in fact they die to police more often than black people do, it's just that the race baiting media won't get the same viewership from clowns like you when the victim is white, so those stories don't get onto the mainstream media.

Black people do not face excessive force by the police, it's a fact.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That's why you wait for some facts to come out before you jump on the "racist cops" bandwagon. You said "there can be no context for this", except there's a lot of context, which makes it look worse for Mr Blake.

There was reason to shoot him, 7 times is excessive though. He was was resisting arrest, and was walking to his car. He did take action that could lead to hurting the officers. He could've easily pulled out a gun or a knife(which is what he was actually going to do, a knife was found on the floor of his car), or used the car as a weapon. If the police waited longer this could've happened to them:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CERjKVKgV8D/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Both those cops in the above video got shot (fortunately I think they both lived), and the criminal made off.

The cops have the right to defend themselves. Jacob Blake was a threat to the cops as well as everybody around (including his ex and kids) and they successfully neutralized that threat.

Race has nothing to do with this. White people die in manners similar to this at the hands of police, in fact they die to police more often than black people do, it's just that the race baiting media won't get the same viewership from clowns like you when the victim is white, so those stories don't get onto the mainstream media.

Black people do not face excessive force by the police, it's a fact.

He COULD OF doesnt warrant being shot 7 times or even once. Do you even know the police protocols as you seem to be guessing?

Blacks are 2.5 times more likey to be shot than white people.

Do you hate blacks?

 

[aloo paratha]

A man was brutally shot 7 times in the back, shooting someone in the back is cowardly.

American police is institutionaly racist, this isnt a secret pal.

Dont you like black people?

I'd rather "cowardly cops" shoot violent criminals when they don't comply with the law. It seems you'd rather have rampant crime and anarchy, and criminals as your martyrs.

It's not a secret, it's a lie. Where is the evidence of institutional racism?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'd rather "cowardly cops" shoot violent criminals when they don't comply with the law. It seems you'd rather have rampant crime and anarchy, and criminals as your martyrs.

It's not a secret, it's a lie. Where is the evidence of institutional racism?

Id rather no man be shot if there is no need. Again, do you know the police protocols? When can they shoot. It doesnt matter what you prefer, such a pathetic argument.

Blacks are 2.5 times more likey to be killed(wrote shot earlier by error) by police in the US, this factual stat alone shows institunal racism but take the FBI report in 2006 which shows white supremacists inflitrated the police force. Do you read the news?

 

[Technics 1210]

What we are witnessing in this thread is the result of mass media massaging - and it's working.

One one side you have people who wait for the full facts before making a conclusion. On the other side you have people who accept the sensationalism.

If you accept the sensationalism, then you have played right into the hands of mainstream media and the powers above.

Last brutal fact. Not one of you, including me, cares about Jacob Blake. Not one. Those who care are fooling themselves because they do not realise they only care about what the media ordain them to care about which ultimatley makes them a subsidised mouthpiece.

 

[aloo paratha]

He COULD OF doesnt warrant being shot 7 times or even once. Do you even know the police protocols as you seem to be guessing?

Blacks are 2.5 times more likey to be shot than white people.

Do you hate blacks?

I agree shooting him 7 times was wrong. That doesn't mean there was no reason to shoot.

That's only true when you look at all of the white population compared to all of the black population. What we really need to look at is the amount of violent criminals. White people outnumber black people by 3 or 4 times in America in terms of population, yet Black people exceed white people in terms of committing violent crimes(and being victims of violent crimes). When you take into account that both races are committing the same amount of violent crimes, the stats even out.

Roland Fryer, a black economist at Harvard saw these claims of racism by cops, and how supposedly blacks face disproportionate deadly force by police, and thought that he'd prove it with data. Turns out when you look at data, there is no evidence that blacks are facing disproportionate force from police, in fact they were less likely to shoot a black person than a white one. This video will explain it even better, however something leads me to believe you will not watch the video:

I have no problem with black people. I'm colourblind. I do have a problem with criminals puttiong cops and others' lives in danger, black, white, or brown.

 

[aloo paratha]

Id rather no man be shot if there is no need. Again, do you know the police protocols? When can they shoot. It doesnt matter what you prefer, such a pathetic argument.

Blacks are 2.5 times more likey to be killed(wrote shot earlier by error) by police in the US, this factual stat alone shows institunal racism but take the FBI report in 2006 which shows white supremacists inflitrated the police force. Do you read the news?

If you let criminals go, they will commit more crimes, so in the end more innocent people will be affected. It's simple logic. Police have the right to defend themselves, if they feel their life is in danger they are entitled to shoot. That doesn't mean they won't be investigated though.

Blacks are not 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police. Read my other reply.

Also, if blacks even were being shot 2.5 more times than whites, that still is not evidence of institutional racism. Equal opportunity will very rarely every create equal outcomes.

I don't know about any such FBI report, i'd be glad if you sent me it so I could be enlightened.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree shooting him 7 times was wrong. That doesn't mean there was no reason to shoot.

That's only true when you look at all of the white population compared to all of the black population. What we really need to look at is the amount of violent criminals. White people outnumber black people by 3 or 4 times in America in terms of population, yet Black people exceed white people in terms of committing violent crimes(and being victims of violent crimes). When you take into account that both races are committing the same amount of violent crimes, the stats even out.

Roland Fryer, a black economist at Harvard saw these claims of racism by cops, and how supposedly blacks face disproportionate deadly force by police, and thought that he'd prove it with data. Turns out when you look at data, there is no evidence that blacks are facing disproportionate force from police, in fact they were less likely to shoot a black person than a white one. This video will explain it even better, however something leads me to believe you will not watch the video:



I have no problem with black people. I'm colourblind. I do have a problem with criminals puttiong cops and others' lives in danger, black, white, or brown.

I dont have time to watch videos and when I do, I dont come on here.

It doesnt matter what you think. Please address these simple points, if im wrong, Ill watch Sholay...twice over.

1. An FBI intelligence assessment—titled “White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement” - Do you reject this, if so why? You dont need to read the whole assement but can find a summary online.

2. A study concluded blacks are 2.5 more likey to die than whites in a police encounter.

1+2 = Insitutional racism in the US police force. How anyone , even Trumps most die hard fans can deny this is laughable, and I feel sorry for such people.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What we are witnessing in this thread is the result of mass media massaging - and it's working.

One one side you have people who wait for the full facts before making a conclusion. On the other side you have people who accept the sensationalism.

If you accept the sensationalism, then you have played right into the hands of mainstream media and the powers above.

Last brutal fact. Not one of you, including me, cares about Jacob Blake. Not one. Those who care are fooling themselves because they do not realise they only care about what the media ordain them to care about which ultimatley makes them a subsidised mouthpiece.

You're more likey to actually address the points. Please do.

1. An FBI intelligence assessment—titled “White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement” - Do you reject this, if so why? You dont need to read the whole assement but can find a summary online.

2. A study concluded blacks are 2.5 more likey to die than whites in a police encounter.

1+2 = Insitutional racism in the US police force. How anyone , even Trumps most die hard fans can deny this is laughable, and I feel sorry for such people.

Note: Only the points, not repeat anything else.

 

[Technics 1210]

You're more likey to actually address the points. Please do.

1. An FBI intelligence assessment—titled “White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement” - Do you reject this, if so why? You dont need to read the whole assement but can find a summary online.

2. A study concluded blacks are 2.5 more likey to die than whites in a police encounter.

1+2 = Insitutional racism in the US police force. How anyone , even Trumps most die hard fans can deny this is laughable, and I feel sorry for such people.

Note: Only the points, not repeat anything else.

Maybe you didn't read my post. I said I don't care about Blake or the racism in USA. I only care about objectivity.

You think your hail mary routine and hate for American presidents and foreign policy is going to change a thing?

Quite frankly I don't see why you have a bee in your bonnet about all this; it's not as if you will ever travel to the USA (your words) anyway.

You entire opinion in this thread stems from your hatered of the USA. Has sod all to do with racial justice in Amreeka.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

A man was brutally shot 7 times in the back, shooting someone in the back is cowardly.

"A man"?

A convicted criminal who was given enough time and opportunity to comply with the law BUT he ignored it all, and posed as if he was reaching out for something in his car; was dealt with in a way so that he could not attack the law enforcement officers with a weapon.

It's not really hard to understand, try it.

American police is institutionaly racist, this isnt a secret pal.

I have traveled at least in 9 countries where I lived for more than a year in each. This includes Australia, England and Russia. And in my opinion, American police is THE MOST EFFICIENT in public service. Does it have it's crazies and it's growing pain? You bet, it does.

But American police deals with the worlds most violent criminals in our streets that are loaded with guns. You wouldn't understand this because you are measuring American social challenges with English social norms.

Over here, it's a split second of a decision.
Either the police officer will die or the suspect will be neutralized. Read the underlined above and try to connect the dots.
I already posted videos but you still wouldn't believe it.

Trust me, American police deals with an altogether different kind of an animal here. And it's an internationally recognized police force.

Few years ago, I was in UK. Not sure how true is it but a fellow friend who attended Med School with me and is currently practicing in London told me that he has heard incidents where in some cases, if you call the police for help, and they notice a non-English accent in your speech, they won't even show up.

Try that in America. And see how quickly the cops respond to your help call regardless of who you are.


And don't even make me start about Russian police. You don't have the foggiest of idea as how bad are they. Even Pakistani police is better than Russian police.

Dont you like black people?

See the problem here?

So if someone is black, he/she HAS to be liked? Is that how you think?
May be in your books, but not in mine.

Read my previous posts. I have black friends at my work place. I have blacks who report to me.

If you ever travel into NYC subway, you will notice that sometimes a group of young black kids would enter the train and perform some aerobic stunts on some music tones with some dance moves.
Folks usually give them or dollar or two. I try to always give them at least $5.

Once I didn't have change, so I gave this young black kid a $20.00
He went for his pockets and said how much would you like to get back (he wasn't expecting a $20)? I said, "No, you keep it. It's your reward for working hard to make an honest living, instead of being in the streets doing drugs and crimes." And he said Thank you sir and moved on with smile. Leaving a smile on my face as well.

I do not support BLM if it means that every black's live matters JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.
NO!

In my view, every INNOCENT LIFE MATTERS REGARDLESS OF THE SKIN COLOR.
Innocent lives of women and kids that are butchered in Yemen, Palestine, Jordan, Kashmir matter to me more than the lives of convicted criminals in our streets, regardless of whether they are black or white or blue or gray.

Try to understand it, it's not hard.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Maybe you didn't read my post. I said I don't care about Blake or the racism in USA. I only care about objectivity.

You think your hail mary routine and hate for American presidents and foreign policy is going to change a thing?

Quite frankly I don't see why you have a bee in your bonnet about all this; it's not as if you will ever travel to the USA (your words) anyway.

You entire opinion in this thread stems from your hatered of the USA. Has sod all to do with racial justice in Amreeka.

I dont give two monkeys about America, I'd want it to fall apart for rest of the world.

However when I read the US police are no racist, such foolishness has to be addressed. If you agree they are , fine.

 

[aloo paratha]

I dont have time to watch videos and when I do, I dont come on here.

It doesnt matter what you think. Please address these simple points, if im wrong, Ill watch Sholay...twice over.

1. An FBI intelligence assessment—titled “White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement” - Do you reject this, if so why? You dont need to read the whole assement but can find a summary online.

2. A study concluded blacks are 2.5 more likey to die than whites in a police encounter.

1+2 = Insitutional racism in the US police force. How anyone , even Trumps most die hard fans can deny this is laughable, and I feel sorry for such people.

"Don't have time to watch videos" AKA you're too ignorant to hear the other perspective.

Regarding you questions:

1. In what I could find online, all I can see is that white supremacy in law enforcement is a concern. I can't find any evidence that there is rampant white supremacy in law enforcement. Question is, even if there was institutional racism in police departments, what have Democrats done to fix it? A lot of these urban areas where most of these police shootings have happened are in cities that have long been run by Democrats.

2. Multiple properly done studies found that there is no evidence of disproportionate use of deadly force against blacks.

I still cannot see any evidence of institutional racism. Show me one scenario in this century in America where a completely innocent black man was gunned down by a white cop and no justice was served. Reality is you can't. All of these black men (and white men, but you don't care about them) could've lived had they 1. not been committing crimes and 2. complying with police officers orders.

 

[KingKhanWC]

"A man"?

A convicted criminal who was given enough time and opportunity to comply with the law BUT he ignored it all, and posed as if he was reaching out for something in his car; was dealt with in a way so that he could not attack the law enforcement officers with a weapon.

It's not really hard to understand, try it.



I have traveled at least in 9 countries where I lived for more than a year in each. This includes Australia, England and Russia. And in my opinion, American police is THE MOST EFFICIENT in public service. Does it have it's crazies and it's growing pain? You bet, it does.

But American police deals with the worlds most violent criminals in our streets that are loaded with guns. You wouldn't understand this because you are measuring American social challenges with English social norms.

Over here, it's a split second of a decision.
Either the police officer will die or the suspect will be neutralized. Read the underlined above and try to connect the dots.
I already posted videos but you still wouldn't believe it.

Trust me, American police deals with an altogether different kind of an animal here. And it's an internationally recognized police force.

Few years ago, I was in UK. Not sure how true is it but a fellow friend who attended Med School with me and is currently practicing in London told me that he has heard incidents where in some cases, if you call the police for help, and they notice a non-English accent in your speech, they won't even show up.

Try that in America. And see how quickly the cops respond to your help call regardless of who you are.


And don't even make me start about Russian police. You don't have the foggiest of idea as how bad are they. Even Pakistani police is better than Russian police.



See the problem here?

So if someone is black, he/she HAS to be liked? Is that how you think?
May be in your books, but not in mine.

Read my previous posts. I have black friends at my work place. I have blacks who report to me.

If you ever travel into NYC subway, you will notice that sometimes a group of young black kids would enter the train and perform some aerobic stunts on some music tones with some dance moves.
Folks usually give them or dollar or two. I try to always give them at least $5.

Once I didn't have change, so I gave this young black kid a $20.00
He went for his pockets and said how much would you like to get back (he wasn't expecting a $20)? I said, "No, you keep it. It's your reward for working hard to make an honest living, instead of being in the streets doing drugs and crimes." And he said Thank you sir and moved on with smile. Leaving a smile on my face as well.

I do not support BLM if it means that every black's live matters JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.
NO!

In my view, every INNOCENT LIFE MATTERS REGARDLESS OF THE SKIN COLOR.
Innocent lives of women and kids that are butchered in Yemen, Palestine, Jordan, Kashmir matter to me more than the lives of convicted criminals in our streets, regardless of whether they are black or white or blue or gray.

Try to understand it, it's not hard.

Nice story bro but I dont care where you been , I've been to many more places.

Address these simple points and show me based on these why you feel the American police force is not sytematically racist. Good luck and no more travelling stories, its a poor argument.

1. An FBI intelligence assessment—titled “White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement” - Do you reject this, if so why? You dont need to read the whole assement but can find a summary online.

2. A study concluded blacks are 2.5 more likey to die than whites in a police encounter.

 

[KingKhanWC]

"Don't have time to watch videos" AKA you're too ignorant to hear the other perspective.

Regarding you questions:

1. In what I could find online, all I can see is that white supremacy in law enforcement is a concern. I can't find any evidence that there is rampant white supremacy in law enforcement. Question is, even if there was institutional racism in police departments, what have Democrats done to fix it? A lot of these urban areas where most of these police shootings have happened are in cities that have long been run by Democrats.

2. Multiple properly done studies found that there is no evidence of disproportionate use of deadly force against blacks.

I still cannot see any evidence of institutional racism. Show me one scenario in this century in America where a completely innocent black man was gunned down by a white cop and no justice was served. Reality is you can't. All of these black men (and white men, but you don't care about them) could've lived had they 1. not been committing crimes and 2. complying with police officers orders.

Youve read the reports? A bit too quick.

Please read the reports before dismissing them, I really dont want to school you like a 5 year old. Those reports are detailed.

 

[aloo paratha]

Youve read the reports? A bit too quick.

Please read the reports before dismissing them, I really dont want to school you like a 5 year old. Those reports are detailed.

https://cpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/blogs...-white-supremacist-infiltration-1-110a4e4.pdf

All I could find was that 7 page document. In it I cannot find a single paragraph where it's talked about how prevalent white supremacy is. I'd love for you to school me, especially after I've schooled you a couple of times I showed you why your study was flawed, have you a link to a video containing many other studies which are contrary to your view, but you don't want to watch because you know you will get exposed. I showed that white people die at the hand of cops more than black people, you ignored that too. I also asked that if institutional racism exists, what have democrats done to address it? Especially since most police shootings against blacks tend to happen in places where a Republican hasn't even been elected in decades. You ignored that too

SJWism is a sickness I'd providing you the cure to, but you're too blinded. BLM only hurts black people more. Go ask black people living in crime ridden areas if they want to defund the police, 99% will say no. If your lot really cared about black lives, you'd say something about the fact that on average more black people die at the hand of other black people in the USA every year (7000) than the KKK lynched in their entire history. You'd say something about the fact that blacks are 52% of homicide victims, almost all of them at the hand of another black person. You'd say something about the tens of innocent black children a year that die in areas like Chicago. You'd say something about the 80% of children in the black community who grow up without a father, because they are many times more likely to be poor, suicidal, and violent compared to those who grow up with a father. But no, you too, are fooled by the leftist media.

The reality is that black people are more scared of other black people than they are of police. especially law abiding black people, they know the police will never harm them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

https://cpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/blogs...-white-supremacist-infiltration-1-110a4e4.pdf

All I could find was that 7 page document. In it I cannot find a single paragraph where it's talked about how prevalent white supremacy is. I'd love for you to school me, especially after I've schooled you a couple of times I showed you why your study was flawed, have you a link to a video containing many other studies which are contrary to your view, but you don't want to watch because you know you will get exposed. I showed that white people die at the hand of cops more than black people, you ignored that too. I also asked that if institutional racism exists, what have democrats done to address it? Especially since most police shootings against blacks tend to happen in places where a Republican hasn't even been elected in decades. You ignored that too

SJWism is a sickness I'd providing you the cure to, but you're too blinded. BLM only hurts black people more. Go ask black people living in crime ridden areas if they want to defund the police, 99% will say no. If your lot really cared about black lives, you'd say something about the fact that on average more black people die at the hand of other black people in the USA every year (7000) than the KKK lynched in their entire history. You'd say something about the fact that blacks are 52% of homicide victims, almost all of them at the hand of another black person. You'd say something about the tens of innocent black children a year that die in areas like Chicago. You'd say something about the 80% of children in the black community who grow up without a father, because they are many times more likely to be poor, suicidal, and violent compared to those who grow up with a father. But no, you too, are fooled by the leftist media.

The reality is that black people are more scared of other black people than they are of police. especially law abiding black people, they know the police will never harm them.

You've schooled yourself.

You're a quick reader or a poor reader. Leave out what the blacks do or not do, this thread is about police. No diversions are going to save you.

Ill go one point at a time, I have dozens but want you address each one.

1. A U.S. District Court judge found in 1991 that members of a local sheriff’s department had formed a neo-Nazi gang and habitually terrorized black and Latino residents.

Are you suggesting this dept wasnt racist? lol Keep it short, I have more than what you have read.

 

[Gilly]

My post was written on the 24th August, with the info available at the time. You both reply to it over 2 weeks later and think you are the all knowledgable. lol

There was no reason to shoot someone 7 times in the back, he made no threats or took action to harm the racist coppers. Its a shame people are still justifying this but I guess he's black so its ok.

Lets wait until it gets to court, we cannot take the word of a racist police force as gospel.
[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], talking about lies. Can you explain why the man you defend at every opportunity lied about meeting Blake's family pastor?

Its the right wing, racists who are liars like Trump and the pathetic American police force.

Problem I see here is you used this available at the time information to conclude it was racism. Your information at the time was wrong which renders your conclusion that it was racist wrong.

You made false allegations of racism based on lies.

 

[Technics 1210]

I dont give two monkeys about America, I'd want it to fall apart for rest of the world.

However when I read the US police are no racist, such foolishness has to be addressed. If you agree they are , fine.

I do agree that a few US police officers can be racist in the same way UK police officers are, but to suggest its institutional among the US police force is simply not true and sensationalism.

I have travelled many many times to the USA, and I too have been stopped a couple of times by NY police (was driving and took a wrong turn). I was stopped, asked to produce my license, I complied (as one should) and that was it. In fact the officer laughed when he looked at my paper driving license and asked my if the UK had discovered plastics!

The video in the OP, and in light of the full facts, you can bet every penny you have that the police officer will not be charged with racism, because he followed protocol.

Now how about this, the Democratic Party for most of the 19th century was a white supremacist organisation that gave no welcome to Black Americans, this is why ALL slave traders in the USA were Democrats. Why blame the Republicans for racisim again?

 

[Technics 1210]

Problem I see here is you used this available at the time information to conclude it was racism. Your information at the time was wrong which renders your conclusion that it was racist wrong.

You made false allegations of racism based on lies.

The reality is Millions, if not Billions, fell for the same media trick.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Problem I see here is you used this available at the time information to conclude it was racism. Your information at the time was wrong which renders your conclusion that it was racist wrong.

You made false allegations of racism based on lies.

Its not lies if this is the information available at the time. Lets wait until the investigation to see if he was shot wrongly.

As for racism in the police, this is not some guess.

Your turn.

1. An FBI intelligence assessment—titled “White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement” - Do you reject this, if so why? You dont need to read the whole assement but can find a summary online.

2. A study concluded blacks are 2.5 more likey to die than whites in a police encounter.

Reserach the above and explain why there is no instutiional racism in the US police force?

 

[Technics 1210]

On a side note, when Floyd, Blake etc videos were released, my FB page was riddled with people worldwide displaying solidarity in support of the victims.

Then, when the news on the Israeli soilder putting his knee on a Palestinian popped up - not a single person showed their solidarity at that point. I mean not even a comment from the same people.

It's all scam. They don't care about you, so why should care about them?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I do agree that a few US police officers can be racist in the same way UK police officers are, but to suggest its institutional among the US police force is simply not true and sensationalism.

I have travelled many many times to the USA, and I too have been stopped a couple of times by NY police (was driving and took a wrong turn). I was stopped, asked to produce my license, I complied (as one should) and that was it. In fact the officer laughed when he looked at my paper driving license and asked my if the UK had discovered plastics!

The video in the OP, and in light of the full facts, you can bet every penny you have that the police officer will not be charged with racism, because he followed protocol.

Now how about this, the Democratic Party for most of the 19th century was a white supremacist organisation that gave no welcome to Black Americans, this is why ALL slave traders in the USA were Democrats. Why blame the Republicans for racisim again?

Personal experiences esp when travelling dont suggest anything.

Even the UK police force is insitutionaly racist as shown after a few cases here.

FBI woudln't spend time investigating and concluding white supermacists have inflitraed the police force if there was no truth because the FBI is criticising it's own nation not others for political reasons.

We even have far right members who have openely stated they follow such groups while applying to be police officers, he was hired even with this info. I could go on all night giving examples but like you said IO dont care two hoots about America.

What I will say, Trump's adminstration is no more neo-con extremists than Bidens, in fact Demoracts have been worse. If Hilary Billary was President you prob would have seen a full blown war in Syria.

 

[Technics 1210]

Personal experiences esp when travelling dont suggest anything.

Even the UK police force is insitutionaly racist as shown after a few cases here.

FBI woudln't spend time investigating and concluding white supermacists have inflitraed the police force if there was no truth because the FBI is criticising it's own nation not others for political reasons.

We even have far right members who have openely stated they follow such groups while applying to be police officers, he was hired even with this info. I could go on all night giving examples but like you said IO dont care two hoots about America.

What I will say, Trump's adminstration is no more neo-con extremists than Bidens, in fact Demoracts have been worse. If Hilary Billary was President you prob would have seen a full blown war in Syria.

Personal experience dont count for anything? Wow. So why do you believe the personal experiences of black people in America who have experienced racism?

Your entire judgement on USA cops is based from sitting in the UK and a few amature videos. Everyone who lives in the USA or has been to the USA, says your conclusion is woefully wrong.

As for the rest of your post, the point was simple, Democrats are the real slave masters, not Reppublicans; I wasn't refering to NeoCons at all.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Personal experience dont count for anything? Wow. So why do you believe the personal experiences of black people in America who have experienced racism?

Your entire judgement on USA cops is based from sitting in the UK and a few amature videos. Everyone who lives in the USA or has been to the USA, says your conclusion is woefully wrong.

As for the rest of your post, the point was simple, Democrats are the real slave masters, not Reppublicans; I wasn't refering to NeoCons at all.

Not on this subject, USA is huge, you witnessed little. You haven't grown up in South Central LA or Chicago as poor black man.

My judgement is based on evidence, I have listed two sets of evidence. The FBI report itself destorys any narravite there is no systematic racism in the police force. Heck I've shown earlier a whole dept was inflitrated.

Republicans are no different, if you're falling for this trap one is differnet to the other, you need to realise democracy itself is fake in the western world. By democracy I mean, the belief the people decide who governs them and how they are governed. Trump is just a man with an ego who does what he likes, he's no angel but also has annoyed his masters, who will get rid of him one way or another. You will see him taken to the cleaners even by Fox news now, as they want him out. IF he wins, they will either assasinate him or get him to destroy the US economy, which in turn will bring about their goals.

 

[Technics 1210]

Not on this subject, USA is huge, you witnessed little. You haven't grown up in South Central LA or Chicago as poor black man.

My judgement is based on evidence, I have listed two sets of evidence. The FBI report itself destorys any narravite there is no systematic racism in the police force. Heck I've shown earlier a whole dept was inflitrated.

Republicans are no different, if you're falling for this trap one is differnet to the other, you need to realise democracy itself is fake in the western world. By democracy I mean, the belief the people decide who governs them and how they are governed. Trump is just a man with an ego who does what he likes, he's no angel but also has annoyed his masters, who will get rid of him one way or another. You will see him taken to the cleaners even by Fox news now, as they want him out. IF he wins, they will either assasinate him or get him to destroy the US economy, which in turn will bring about their goals.

Correct, I have not grown up in USA, but people who have are telling you, you are wrong.

I never said Republicans are different, I was merely pointing out these race riots or whatever you want to call them are fuelled by Democrats.

Trump is no angel. Who said he is? And so what? Name me past presidents/PMs who were angels?Reality is no politician is an angel, and they all have egos.

What the people don't realise is Trump is doing all the work that previous Presidents didn't (cos they vetoed).

Jerusalem embassy for example, Golan heights, China tariffs etc. You think the next President will revoke these changes? No. This is the precise reason why certain pockets of power want Trump in for another 4 years. He will do their dirty work - I doubt he will be assassinated.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Nice story bro but I dont care where you been , I've been to many more places.

Address these simple points and show me based on these why you feel the American police force is not sytematically racist. Good luck and no more travelling stories, its a poor argument.

1. An FBI intelligence assessment—titled “White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement” - Do you reject this, if so why? You dont need to read the whole assement but can find a summary online.

2. A study concluded blacks are 2.5 more likey to die than whites in a police encounter.

See?
This FBI data that YOU provided is directly proportional to FBI data that I provided, BUT you would not take into consideration and try to connect the dots. Why?

Let's do this again assuming that FBI data is true and valid.

1 - FBI says blacks are 2.5 more likely to die than whites in a police encounter.
2 - FBI ALSO says 6.2% of the total 13% of black population of USA is responsible for 54% homicides in the country. )

Can you decipher this statistics to be able to fully understand the scope, and then attempt to connect the dots here?

This is the kinda reality that effects this game of probabilities when you are a cop in the street against suspects with gun. One split second, and it's either kill or be killed.

Lets put it in simple terms. Blacks KILL more, blacks get killed more.

Why Arabs, Asians and Latin Americans (all of whom are colored race) do not face this so called "systematic racism" from American Police?

It's primarily because, during police encounters, and these races are much like to follow the orders. And statistically these races are not as heavily involved in crimes as blacks are.

And notice the FBI data you posted, does not capture the scenario that happened here. How many times a black ignores the police warnings and tries to reach for a weapon?
If they do this more often, then obviously, they will be neutralized more often.
Isn't this 2+2 ?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I dont give two monkeys about America, I'd want it to fall apart for rest of the world.

However when I read the US police are no racist, such foolishness has to be addressed. If you agree they are , fine.

Seriously?
Is UK police totally racism free?

 

[MenInG]

Jacob Blake, a black man left paralysed after being shot seven times by police in the US, has appeared in court from his hospital bed.

In a hearing over Zoom, the 29-year-old pleaded not guilty to criminal trespass, third-degree sexual assault and disorderly conduct - charges brought before the shooting on 23 August in Kenosha, Wisconsin, which reignited racial injustice protests across the US.

The charges against Blake are based on statements from his ex-girlfriend, the mother of three of his children, who told police he broke into her home on 3 May and sexually assaulted her, before stealing her vehicle and credit card.

His not guilty plea was entered through his lawyer, who also appeared in the live stream.

Blake appeared propped up in his hospital bed, wearing a blue shirt and yellow tie.

He spoke only briefly to confirm that he understood the proceedings and that he had no questions for the judge.

Blake had been working as a painter, and does not have any prior criminal record or convictions in any state, according to his lawyer.

He has been left paralysed from the waist down after being shot by a white police officer as he was walking back to his vehicle, returning from reportedly trying to break up a fight.

It is thought that his three children witnessed the incident from the car.

Joe Biden talks about his conversation with Jacob Blake

He has been in hospital since being shot, having undergone surgery.

The protests that followed in Kenosha ended up turning violent, razing some businesses to the ground and forcing President Donald Trump to send in the National Guard.

Mr Trump, as well as his Democratic rival Joe Biden, both visited Kenosha earlier this week, in the aftermath of the protests.

The president spent his time doubling down on law and order, a central theme of his re-election campaign, while Mr Biden met with Blake and members of his family.

https://news.sky.com/story/jacob-bl...m-hospital-bed-to-answer-old-charges-12064016

 

[aloo paratha]

You've schooled yourself.

You're a quick reader or a poor reader. Leave out what the blacks do or not do, this thread is about police. No diversions are going to save you.

Ill go one point at a time, I have dozens but want you address each one.

1. A U.S. District Court judge found in 1991 that members of a local sheriff’s department had formed a neo-Nazi gang and habitually terrorized black and Latino residents.

Are you suggesting this dept wasnt racist? lol Keep it short, I have more than what you have read.

I don't know about that specific department. If what you're saying is true, then yes, that police dept is racist. However, you still can't provide evidence for your broad accusation of lots of cops in the US being racist. You can't, because they're not. There are racist cops, just like there are racist teachers, or sportsmen, or plumbers. Is there an epidemic of racist white cops shooting unarmed, innocent black men without any reason? No.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't know about that specific department. If what you're saying is true, then yes, that police dept is racist. However, you still can't provide evidence for your broad accusation of lots of cops in the US being racist. You can't, because they're not. There are racist cops, just like there are racist teachers, or sportsmen, or plumbers. Is there an epidemic of racist white cops shooting unarmed, innocent black men without any reason? No.

Please learn what systematic racism is. It doesnt mean every cop is racist , it means racism is part of the police system in the US.

Again read the FBI report, I just gave you one example, would you like to refute another 6?

 

[aloo paratha]

Please learn what systematic racism is. It doesnt mean every cop is racist , it means racism is part of the police system in the US.

Again read the FBI report, I just gave you one example, would you like to refute another 6?

You don't even understand what systemic racism means. Systemic would mean that the standard for judging black people is different, or black people are blatantly treated poorer than white people. Show me one law which is different for black people. Show me one case where a cop did something wrong against a black person and was pardoned because the victim was black. You can't.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

You don't even understand what systemic racism means. Systemic would mean that the standard for judging black people is different, or black people are blatantly treated poorer than white people. Show me one law which is different for black people. Show me one case where a cop did something wrong against a black person and was pardoned because the victim was black. You can't.

It's actually the opposite.
Blacks fall under specific quota to compete on seats even at Harvard and Yale. So many at times, their non-competitive grades put them into the world's most prestigious schools - and this is how some of them communicate with professors and faculty.

 

[sweep_shot]

Los Angeles police officers shot in 'ambush'

Two Los Angeles police officers are recovering in hospital after being shot in what police are calling an ambush.

Video of the incident shows a figure approach the officers' vehicle, before opening fire and running away.

Los Angeles Sheriff Alex Villanueva called the act "cowardly". The suspect remains at large.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department has announced a $100,000 (£78,000) reward for any information leading to the gunman's arrest.

Almost 40 US police officers were killed in the line of duty in 2020, FBI statistics show - eight of them were victims of an ambush.

Protesters shouted anti-police slogans and blocked the entrance to the emergency room where the two officers were being treated, police and witnesses said.

Two people were arrested, including a journalist who police said tried to interfere with the arrest of the other detainee and did not identify herself as a member of the press.

The reporter, Josie Huang, tweeted she had "thoughts and videos" to share, while her employer, NPR, said they were "appalled" by her arrest.

'A sombre reminder'
The officers involved in the shooting have not been named but were described as a 31-year-old woman and a 24-year-old man.

The female officer was shot in the jaw and arms and was in a critical but stable condition after undergoing surgery, authorities said on Sunday. The male officer was hit in the forehead, an arm and a hand and was described as alert, ABC News reported.

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"This is just a sombre reminder that this is a dangerous job. Actions, words have consequences and our job does not get easier because people don't like law enforcement," Sheriff Villanueva said.

Both candidates in this year's presidential election weighed in on the shooting.

Sharing the footage of the incident, US President Donald Trump, tweeted: "Animals that must be hit hard."

"This cold-blooded shooting is unconscionable and the perpetrator must be brought to justice," he tweeted. "Violence of any kind is wrong; those who commit it should be caught and punished."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54137838.

 

[The_KING]

Another black criminal shot by the police and typically the snowflake, lefties SJW liberals are ****** off and are crying about racism.

This guy Jacob Blake is a criminal but watch him get treated like a hero just like George Floyd was and is. Maybe the cops wouldn’t shoot and kill these black people, if they weren’t criminals.

 

[aloo paratha]

It's actually the opposite.
Blacks fall under specific quota to compete on seats even at Harvard and Yale. So many at times, their non-competitive grades put them into the world's most prestigious schools - and this is how some of them communicate with professors and faculty.

Yup. People harp on about white privilege and male privilege when in reality it's the opposite in both of those scenarios. Black people and women are given greater opportunities.

 

[Technics 1210]

The knife attacker in Brummie of late was Black. He killed an innocent man.

Speak up liberals.

 

[Tubs]

BLM really need to address black-on-black crime more. Sure, there are socio-economic issues which can account for some of the crimes, but surely that's more of a defense for economic crime. The intra-racial murder rate within the black community is huge in the US, and that needs to be address. Perhaps there's a huge cultural element to it, and if so, that should get more attention than the false notion that cops are killing black people at a higher rate than any other race.

 

[El Generico]

Turns out a violent incident that was blamed on antifa/BLM was actually done by a far right group.

Boogaloo Bois' member charged in connection to shooting at Minneapolis police station during George Floyd protests

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ting-minneapolis-police-station-during-n12445

I think as times goes on more such cases will come out. I am sure there was violence at these protests but a lot of it seem to be done by far right groups to discredit the movement.