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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">An Israeli ad showing model Bar Refaeli ripping off a niqab to get "freedom" is being called out for racism. <a href="https://t.co/CqjQKnfOa2">pic.twitter.com/CqjQKnfOa2</a></p>— AJ+ (@ajplus) <a href="https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1062651856298471425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Hadn't heard her name.for years now, probably publicity stunt.
 
Of course it is racist. I don't approve of the niqab, but when a Jewish woman is making an ad like that, it is motivated by religious hatred without a doubt.
 
What’s the mandatory hijab law in Iran that the girl in the video is talking about? Is wearing a hijab mandatory for women?
 
What’s the mandatory hijab law in Iran that the girl in the video is talking about? Is wearing a hijab mandatory for women?

It's mandatory in Saudi too IIrC all TCS women workers wore that during Modis visit but lol she couldnt say that.

I have no love for Iran or Saudi but an Israeli should be the last one to talk abt freedom crap when Interfering, do the politics but lol at preaching freedom lol.
 
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I have no love for Iran or Saudi but an Israeli should be the last one to talk abt freedom crap when Interfering, do the politics but lol at preaching freedom lol.

But Israel broadcasting an ad like this is hardly surprising is it? It's as surprising as Trump coming out with a daft statement. Doesn't matter whether they should be the first person or the last person - there is little shock or awe.
 
But Israel broadcasting an ad like this is hardly surprising is it? It's as surprising as Trump coming out with a daft statement. Doesn't matter whether they should be the first person or the last person - there is little shock or awe.

My bad , didn't know it was Israeli ad, assumed it was something global.
 
People should look into the definition of "racism" and "racist" and "race".

You can call it offensive for Muslims but it is not racist.
 
People should look into the definition of "racism" and "racist" and "race".

You can call it offensive for Muslims but it is not racist.

The battleground has long shifted. Culturalist is the new racist. Racists have just changed their language, nothing else.
 
Then we should be allowed to make culturalist ads about Jewish freedom, I am sure there is plenty to work on with pork abstention, hassidic clothes, sabbath, bar mitzvahs etc.

You are allowed to do so without any fear of persecution.
People will however know you are anti-Semitic and will judge you as such. If that does not concern you than you have nothing to be concerned about. Tbh, muslims in general are anti-semite.
 
You are allowed to do so without any fear of persecution.
People will however know you are anti-Semitic and will judge you as such. If that does not concern you than you have nothing to be concerned about. Tbh, muslims in general are anti-semite.

You could just as easily say that jews in general are Islampohobic.
 
There are according to Wikipedia 17.7% Muslim is Israel. Which surprised me. I thought the number would be much lower. I wonder how they get along with the jews? Are they Israeli citizens?
 
Funny seeing some Indians defending this. I wonder how would they feel if a brand made a commercial in which a woman replaces her sari with western clothing and it is deemed as "freedom" or "liberation".
 
Funny seeing some Indians defending this. I wonder how would they feel if a brand made a commercial in which a woman replaces her sari with western clothing and it is deemed as "freedom" or "liberation".

Western clothing is indeed liberating, no wonder new generation of indians have discarded indian ethnic wear. Western values like individual freedom, human rights and scientific temper are superior to any values of any other civilization, and thank god for British who introduced these values to backward indians.
 
Western clothing is indeed liberating, no wonder new generation of indians have discarded indian ethnic wear. Western values like individual freedom, human rights and scientific temper are superior to any values of any other civilization, and thank god for British who introduced these values to backward indians.

My comment was for Indians :inti
 
Funny seeing some Indians defending this. I wonder how would they feel if a brand made a commercial in which a woman replaces her sari with western clothing and it is deemed as "freedom" or "liberation".

They make such movies and TV shows in India..tbf they also make the opposite as Western 'bahu' lol
 
Call it racist, culturalist, or libertarian but at the end of the day it’s about ostracising a group of ppl based on their attire which should be unacceptable to everyone.
More importantly, what is it trying to achieve? In my opinion, the advert is trying to coerce Muslims into demonstrating intolerant/violent behaviour. Muslims should be clever enough not to fall into that trap.
 
Call it racist, culturalist, or libertarian but at the end of the day it’s about ostracising a group of ppl based on their attire which should be unacceptable to everyone.
More importantly, what is it trying to achieve? In my opinion, the advert is trying to coerce Muslims into demonstrating intolerant/violent behaviour. Muslims should be clever enough not to fall into that trap.

It's an Israeli ad man, not a global that's what I missed in the first place.. surely the Muslims in Israel could care zilch abt it.
 
The add is clearly to incite hatred against Iran but the makers including the model must be very stupid not to realise some of their own people, the so called chosen people of God are no different.

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In fact their some of their men even do the same which you wont see any man in Iran walking around like this.

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There are according to Wikipedia 17.7% Muslim is Israel. Which surprised me. I thought the number would be much lower. I wonder how they get along with the jews? Are they Israeli citizens?

Put it this way - they probably are much better off than Jews in Muslim states.

I'm obviously referring to the Muslims in Israel, not in West Bank / Gaza.
 
Put it this way - they probably are much better off than Jews in Muslim states.

I'm obviously referring to the Muslims in Israel, not in West Bank / Gaza.

You clearly having got a scooby doo which is why you are guessing by saying probably. This is just your personal brainswashed mind coming up with these sort of conclusions.

Jews in Iran are far better off than Muslims in Israel, who are subjected to over a dozen apartheid laws.
 
Jews in Iran are far better off than Muslims in Israel, who are subjected to over a dozen apartheid laws.

Impossible to tell if serious.

There are a mere 9,000 Jews in Iran, a country with 80+ million people. As posted on this thread, a chunky 17% of Israel's population is Muslim.

The scant figure in Iran suggests that they are a persecuted community - nobody dwindles down to zero over time if this was not the case. On the other hand, Muslims within Israel have equal rights and many become parliamentarians, judges, diplomats, public health officials and IDF generals.

I doubt any Jew can attain any position of reasonable power in Iran.
 
Impossible to tell if serious.

There are a mere 9,000 Jews in Iran, a country with 80+ million people. As posted on this thread, a chunky 17% of Israel's population is Muslim.

The scant figure in Iran suggests that they are a persecuted community - nobody dwindles down to zero over time if this was not the case. On the other hand, Muslims within Israel have equal rights and many become parliamentarians, judges, diplomats, public health officials and IDF generals.

I doubt any Jew can attain any position of reasonable power in Iran.

Again you are proving ignorant. Jews left of their own accord as many have left the UK and othe nations. The reason why there are many Muslims in Israel is because it has been their land for centuries and are forced to live under Israel when it took over via terrorism and given to them by a third party.

I told you there are many aparthied laws against them but you claim there are none?
 
I told you there are many aparthied laws against them but you claim there are none?

Do state a few of them then. I think you will find that your complaints of discrimination in Israeli society happens on the ground on a people-to-people basis, and it isn't institutional or enshrined into their constitution anywhere.
 
Do state a few of them then. I think you will find that your complaints of discrimination in Israeli society happens on the ground on a people-to-people basis, and it isn't institutional or enshrined into their constitution anywhere.

Ill give you one which should be enough due to the seriousness of it.

The nation state law.


It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.”

It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.”

It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.”

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31...-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy
 
Ill give you one which should be enough due to the seriousness of it.

The nation state law.

Fair call then, but this is a very recent law (we're talking months), and has been appealed against in the appropriate courts, and is only symbolic and decorative in the meantime. Prior efforts at crafting such laws have failed, and perhaps this one will in due course of time as well.

Is that all?
 
Fair call then, but this is a very recent law (we're talking months), and has been appealed against in the appropriate courts, and is only symbolic and decorative in the meantime. Prior efforts at crafting such laws have failed, and perhaps this one will in due course of time as well.

Is that all?

The law has not been replled as far as Im aware.

Sure there are plenty.

A Jewish Israeli can marry anyone from anywhere in the world and bring them to Israel. An 'Israeli' Arab cannot even marry from a few miles away and bring their partner back.
 
The law has not been replled as far as Im aware.

Sure there are plenty.

A Jewish Israeli can marry anyone from anywhere in the world and bring them to Israel. An 'Israeli' Arab cannot even marry from a few miles away and bring their partner back.

They cannot even get a permit to build or update their house in Jerusalem.
 
I wonder why she didn't dress as an Orthodox Jew which by the way have same strict dress code and hijab/niqab since that should be the ideal customer base for an Israeli clothing company.
 
Do state a few of them then. I think you will find that your complaints of discrimination in Israeli society happens on the ground on a people-to-people basis, and it isn't institutional or enshrined into their constitution anywhere.

What a silly statement, I think you need to read further about Israel and its discriminatory laws before making any statements on the subject.
 
I read a paper a few months back where it stated that the Israeli governments round up innocent Muslims/Palestinian children and hold them hostage so that they can then leverage that position to extract unreliable confessions and plea deals from the other alleged stone pelting children. The parents don’t have much choice but to sign plea deals on their behalf. If that’s not a systematic and institutional way of discrimination then I don’t know what is.
 
I read a paper a few months back where it stated that the Israeli governments round up innocent Muslims/Palestinian children and hold them hostage so that they can then leverage that position to extract unreliable confessions and plea deals from the other alleged stone pelting children. The parents don’t have much choice but to sign plea deals on their behalf. If that’s not a systematic and institutional way of discrimination then I don’t know what is.

I read a paper from the Legal aid society:

Recent years have seen a rise of persecution of religious minorities in Pakistan.
Ranging from target killings, bombings, assassinations of members of the
community, as well as those defending them, to attacks on places of worship, an
intensification of the violence is clearly seen to be on the rise. Incidents of violence
and their impunity are not just forms of physical violence, but often also play the
role of instruments of oppression.
6 These are also a symptom of deep-rooted and
entrenched patterns of discrimination and marginalization of religious minority
communities in Pakistani society.
These patterns are the direct result of a slow, steady and very deliberate politically
motivated movement by the State over the years to dis-empower non-Muslim
minorities in Pakistan.
7 This has been achieved through the ‘Islamisation’ of State
and society and the perpetuation of the narrative of “Muslims” vs. “Non-Muslims”
i.e. “us vs. them”. A series of social, administrative, legal and political manoeuvres
were employed, resulting in negatively impacting societal behaviours and attitudes
towards religious minorities, disenfranchising them and effectively ostracizing the
non-Muslim communities, leading to a scenario where their existence and lives are
insecure and largely unprotected, and negatively impacting the quality of their daily
lives.
http://co.lao.org.pk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Prioritizing-Needs-September-15-2016.pdf
 
I read a paper from the Legal aid society:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument,[1][2][3] which in the United States is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.[4][5][6] When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.[7][8][9]
 
This shows double standard of people.

When Indians took offense as Hamilton said India was poor, these same people said Indians are too sensitive.

Now when tides are against them, they are changing goal posts.

Atleast hold on to same ideology. You shouldn't pick one ideology for others and another for self.
 
Put it this way - they probably are much better off than Jews in Muslim states.

I'm obviously referring to the Muslims in Israel, not in West Bank / Gaza.

Muslims in Israel solely identify as Palestinians; they might be better off but see it as their land that's been occupied.
 
A Jewish Israeli can marry anyone from anywhere in the world and bring them to Israel. An 'Israeli' Arab cannot even marry from a few miles away and bring their partner back.

It isn't much different in say, Saudi Arabia. A Saudi cannot marry a person from Pakistan, leave alone bring them to Saudi Arabia as a new citizen.
 
The ad is in poor taste. This isn't technically even white savior complex, just a way to demean another culture.
 
The ad is in poor taste. This isn't technically even white savior complex, just a way to demean another culture.

The niqab may be seen as confinement of a woman's personality in the west, but it is needed in india to liberate the indian women, from the indian men. it frees you from catcalls, eveteasing, sexual stares and also from the societal pressure of wearing makeup and dressing up. indian women should embrace the niqab if they want to taste freedom, instead of hoping the indian male will one day learn to be civilized through education.
 
The niqab may be seen as confinement of a woman's personality in the west, but it is needed in india to liberate the indian women, from the indian men. it frees you from catcalls, eveteasing, sexual stares and also from the societal pressure of wearing makeup and dressing up. indian women should embrace the niqab if they want to taste freedom, instead of hoping the indian male will one day learn to be civilized through education.

Sorry dude, this is not just a Indian problem. It is a subcontinent problem. It is a lack of educated youth problem.
 
It isn't much different in say, Saudi Arabia. A Saudi cannot marry a person from Pakistan, leave alone bring them to Saudi Arabia as a new citizen.

That is because Saudi is also a new nation imposed on the middle east similar to Israel, no surprise they share some racist tendencies.
 
That is because Saudi is also a new nation imposed on the middle east similar to Israel, no surprise they share some racist tendencies.

So there is no perfect nation in this fight, then. Hence my assertion that if you're a minority, you're better off being a Muslim in Israel rather than a Jew in Arabia.
 
So there is no perfect nation in this fight, then. Hence my assertion that if you're a minority, you're better off being a Muslim in Israel rather than a Jew in Arabia.

Maybe you should have created a thread about the plight of Jews in Arabia then.
 
Maybe you should have created a thread about the plight of Jews in Arabia then.

Why not? Nobody said too many TP threads were a bad thing. In the meantime, a reply to another poster via post #27 sufficed.
 
Why not? Nobody said too many TP threads were a bad thing. In the meantime, a reply to another poster via post #27 sufficed.

Yes I saw your attempt at whataboutery in that post as well, hence my suggestion a new thread would have been a better option, that way we could discuss this Israeli ad on it's own merits as it no doubt deserves.
 
Sorry dude, this is not just a Indian problem. It is a subcontinent problem. It is a lack of educated youth problem.

I don't care if this problem exists in pakistan or sri lanka, as i am not concerned about their welfare.
 
it's not "racism" because Jews are of the same "race" as the peoples in the region, but it's typical Jewish vision of the others, back in the good days they ascribed all possible ills to their "goyiim" neighbors so that's a pretty moderate position, mimicking Western liberalism and its culturalist tropes actually. Many coconut Muslims probably think the same.
 
It isn't much different in say, Saudi Arabia. A Saudi cannot marry a person from Pakistan, leave alone bring them to Saudi Arabia as a new citizen.

Please think before you write.

All Saudi's have the same laws. Arabs in Israel do not have the same laws as Jews in Israel. Got it now? :sachin
 
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