[VIDEO] Rahat as Azeem Hafeez, Junaid as Saleem Jaffer?

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Do you remember the dark days from 1983 to early 1985?

Pakistan had just established itself as the world's number 2 Test side, but was dependent upon the speed of Imran Khan and the spin of Abdul Qadir.

But Imran got stress fractures in his shins, and the fast bowling cupboard was bare, with Sarfraz Nawaz in his late 30s.

Then came three quick left-arm bowlers.

First came Azeem Hafeez. He was a willing medium-fast trier and on helpful wickets in Australia he took wickets, but at nearly 40 runs each.

Then came Saleem Jaffer and Wasim Akram. Wasim exploded onto the scene, first with 7-50 in a side match in 84-85, then, at 18, with ten wickets in a Test in New Zealand followed by a devastating five wicket burst in the ODI World Championship of Cricket against Australia at Melbourne, based on pace and bounce.

Then came Saleem Jaffer. He was quick enough and tall enough but he bowled from too wide of the crease and was mentally weak.

I find myself feeling that history is repeating itself. If you forget Mohammad Irfan, who is already 30, you have three left-arm quicks in Mohammad Amir, Junaid Khan and Rahat Ali.

Amir is obviously the best bowler of the three, but is equally obviously banned for now.

Rahat reminds me of Azeem Hafeez. Like Hafeez, he has an ability to drop sitters in the outfield because he panics. Like Hafeez, he has taken lots of wickets on a helpful pitch at Centurion, but at huge cost.

And Junaid reminds me of Saleem Jaffer. He has all the raw materials a left-arm quick requires, but he's marginally too slow and he is slow-witted too: he spent the entire Johannesburg Test bowling 12 inches too short. I also have major doubts about his temperament.

Junaid spent the First Test bowling too short and batting like a coward who has already conceded defeat and doesn't mind showing it to his opponents. He then walked into a door and got a bruise on his thigh. Not a pulled or torn muscle, just a sore swelling. And I fear that he has milked this injury to miss two difficult Tests against the world's best team in alien conditions.

Champion cricketers grow in stature against the best opposition. The list is endless, and includes some players like Steve Waugh and Allan Border who made the most of limited ability.

Many, many more players collapse in a heap against the very best. From Pakistan, who can forget Zaheer Abbas' shameful batting in Australia in 1983-84? Or England's Geoff Boycott and New Zealand's Glenn Turner going to extraordinary lengths to avoid playing against the West Indies or Lillee and Thomson in the late 1970s?

At the moment, I've got Rahat and Junaid pigeon-holed as follows:

Rahat Ali: not quite international class, needs to improve his line and length. Needs 2 or 3 Pakistan A tours to countries with lively tracks.

Junaid Khan: technically skilled left-arm fast bowler who achieved nothing whatsoever in consecutive Test series against the world's number 1 sides. Needs to disprove suspicions of defeatism and cowardice.
 
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Junaid spent the First Test bowling too short and batting like a coward who has already conceded defeat and doesn't mind showing it to his opponents. He then walked into a door and got a bruise on his thigh. Not a pulled or torn muscle, just a sore swelling. And I fear that he has milked this injury to miss two difficult Tests against the world's best team in alien conditions.

This is ridiculous. Junaid was the third highest scorer in the first innings, and hit two good boundaries, no cowardice about that. He was also the best bowler in the first innings and did better than Gul and Rahat in the second one. He then accidentally walked into the door and the team management did not let him play.

You are a living contradiction. You think that there's not enough proof to show Asif guilty but are ready to throw such blatant accusations around with absolutely no proof. You do realise you are liable for libel here?
 
This is ridiculous. Junaid was the third highest scorer in the first innings, and hit two good boundaries, no cowardice about that. He was also the best bowler in the first innings and did better than Gul and Rahat in the second one. He then accidentally walked into the door and the team management did not let him play.

You are a living contradiction. You think that there's not enough proof to show Asif guilty but are ready to throw such blatant accusations around with absolutely no proof. You do realise you are liable for libel here?
Fast bowlers play through the pain barrier all the time. Blistered feet, chaifed groins, etc etc.

We know that Junaid did not strain or rupture anything. He got a bruise on his thigh. Dav Whatmore was clear eleven days ago that he would miss the 2nd Test but be fit for the 3rd.

Amir and Junaid were Under-19 contemporaries, and Amir accelerated way beyond Junaid in part because he is a much bigger-hearted cricketer who loves a challenge - and also was willing to work for hours and hours in the nets on his batting too.

In the absence of Asif and Amir, Junaid carried a big, big responsibility in South Africa - and he has finished the 3 match series with precisely 2 wickets at an average of 48.00. He has delivered less than Irfan, Rahat and even Hafeez as a bowler.

That wouldn't be so bad, but he was a waste of space against England in the UAE, too.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Junaid Khan so far, doesn't.

By the way, it's emphatically not libel to wonder whether or not a player is milking an injury. It's libel to state categorically that he is - which I haven't done. I'm just pointing out that only two Test batsmen in South Africa this summer out of 50 have backed away to square-leg like a coward. Jeetan Patel was the first, Junaid Khan was the second. And he then missed the next two Tests.

Draw your own conclusions.
 
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Fast bowlers play through the pain barrier all the time. Blistered feet, chaifed groins, etc etc.

We know that Junaid did not strain or rupture anything. He got a bruise on his thigh. Dav Whatmore was clear eleven days ago that he would miss the 2nd Test but be fit for the 3rd.

Amir and Junaid were Under-19 contemporaries, and Amir accelerated way beyond Junaid in part because he is a much bigger-hearted cricketer who loves a challenge - and also was willing to work for hours and hours in the nets on his batting too.

In the absence of Asif and Amir, Junaid carried a big, big responsibility in South Africa - and he has finished the 3 match series with precisely 2 wickets at an average of 48.00. He has delivered less than Irfan, Rahat and even Hafeez as a bowler.

That wouldn't be so bad, but he was a waste of space against England in the UAE, too.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Junaid Khan so far, doesn't.

It was the decision of the team management, not Junaid and I challenge you to find any evidence to the contrary. Not circumstantial evidence, but real evidence. If this evidence is enough for you, Asif is guilty.

Also, Amir may have been more talented, but can you prove he's more hard working? And again, Amir was mentored by Asif, Junaid has Gul to look up to. The gulf in class couldn't be more obvious, could it? He's not as good as Amir, no one claimed he was. But he's not a cheat
 
Junaid does not deserve the names like coward. Yes , he is not world class but still better than almost every one in pakistan so far. He showed a lot of heart with whatever talent he has. OP is harsh on him for no apparent reason.
 
Just a correction, Azeem Hafeez born with missing fingers and the reason he couldn't cement was wasim akram. He wasn't a bad bowler e.g against India he took a marvelous 6 for 46 at Lahore on a lifeless pitch. He like many other cricketers of time comitted one cardinal sin, told IK to carry his own gym bag.
 
Just a correction, Azeem Hafeez born with missing fingers and the reason he couldn't cement was wasim akram. He wasn't a bad bowler e.g against India he took a marvelous 6 for 46 at Lahore on a lifeless pitch. He like many other cricketers of time comitted one cardinal sin, told IK to carry his own gym bag.

Yah average of 33 in first class shows so much of how good he was , Imran khan probably was the best thing ever happened to pakistan cricket. he took an average side to world number two and here comes a hater defending a mediocre performer and blaming imran for this.
 
your strange burst on Junaid is unbelievable

I watched Jeetan Patel backing away from Steyn and Philander in January and said to myself "Any tailender who does that in a Test match has to be thrown out of his national team forever, because it is an gesture of defeatism and cowardice".

I did not expect to see ANY Pakistani do that on the next tour, yet Junaid Khan did precisely that.

I know what Imran Khan would have done: he'd have humiliated him in front of the entire dressing room and sent him home, and told him that he would never play for Pakistan again until he grew a pair.

I find it disgraceful enough that the likes of Umar Gul, Mohammad Irfan, Rahat Ali and Junaid Khan lack the professionalism to work on their batting enough to scrap it out in the middle.

On the last tour of South Africa, Mohammad Sami lasted 24 balls, 22 balls and 58 balls in his three innings. He at least showed guts and application. And two of those three innings contributed to 50 partnerships.

That's a better batting performance than any of the current tailenders. Or Hafeez. Or Jamshed. Or Sarfraz.

The current tailenders show no such spirit, application or guts, let alone technique.

Whatever happened to professionalism?
 
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Yah average of 33 in first class shows so much of how good he was , Imran khan probably was the best thing ever happened to pakistan cricket. he took an average side to world number two and here comes a hater defending a mediocre performer and blaming imran for this.

Oh I know i would be villified for comitting blasphemy against the "great Khan" spare me plz the guy was an absolute brilliant cricketer but he had his own flaws, which age hasn't diminished. IK is no angel so plz stop portraying him like one.
 
Rahat Ali is a pain to watch, people on this forum get very excited & they quickly get driven away. Rahat Ali is NOT the future of Pakistan pace attack & he is awful to watch.
 
im amazed how can a guy with clear conscience can even think about muhmmad amir, that crook who insulted and humiliated pakistan in the whole world, but i know we as a nation have dead conscience, even if we have to sustain a bad bowler its million times better than muhammad amir

i wouldnt even like think about this guy and cricket once in my life time, to me he is a crook, a bloody liar, who still thinks he is innocent, deceptive, and should be banned for life
 
I watched Jeetan Patel backing away from Steyn and Philander in January and said to myself "Any tailender who does that in a Test match has to be thrown out of his national team forever, because it is an gesture of defeatism and cowardice".

I did not expect to see ANY Pakistani do that on the next tour, yet Junaid Khan did precisely that.

I know what Imran Khan would have done: he'd have humiliated him in front of the entire dressing room and sent him home, and told him that he would never play for Pakistan again until he grew a pair.

I find it disgraceful enough that the likes of Umar Gul, Mohammad Irfan, Rahat Ali and Junaid Khan lack the professionalism to work on their batting enough to scrap it out in the middle.

On the last tour of South Africa, Mohammad Sami lasted 24 balls, 22 balls and 58 balls in his three innings. He at least showed guts and application. And two of those three innings contributed to 50 partnerships.

That's a better batting performance than any of the current tailenders. Or Hafeez. Or Jamshed. Or Sarfraz.

The current tailenders show no such spirit, application or guts, let alone technique.

Whatever happened to professionalism?

Sami has a much better technique than Junaid, as far as batting is concerned. You don't seem concerned, however, about the gulf in bowling class between them. Would you really rather have Sami than Junaid for his guts or determination? Junaid struck well and almost got us over the deficit, something the others should have tried too
 
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Junaid, by your logic, McGrath was the worst ever cricketer...same goes for all other bowlers whom were great bowlers but could barely bat all through their career! They were all worst professionals ever too?

If you don't know all the facts about Junaid's injury...then you have no right to say such stupid things about him.

You lost all credibility you had in a flash by spouting rubbish in this thread!
 
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To be honest, the impression I get is that both Junaid and rahat are scared of the ball
 
Unbelievable criticism on Junaid. If anything, blame the batsman for cowardice but to hit out at the tailenders is unfair. These are bowlers who are clearly not equipped with the talent or technique to play out the likes of Steyn and Morkel like 'batsmen'. What you don't realise is that backing away was the most effective way for him to score runs and guess what, he ended up the third highest scorer in the 1st innings.
 
To be honest, the impression I get is that both Junaid and rahat are scared of the ball




You would also be when the ball is bouncing like crazy, seaming, swinging and coming at 140K+

Coming from Asian conditions, most batsmen would have fear instilled in their hearts by such conditions but might not show it like most tailenders would
 
Junaid was not afraid, i have seen quite a lot of Junaid's batting in HK6's last year and this is how he bats IIRC he hit 3-4 Sixes with shots like these.
And yes, this thread is complete rubbish.
 
ami has a much better technique than Junaid, as far as batting is concerned. You don't seem concerned, however, about the gulf in bowling class between them. Would you really rather have Sami than Junaid for his guts or determination? Junaid struck well and almost got us over the deficit, something the others should have tried too

I got a better one... tanvir has the best batting technique and heck made even 44 in test so lets have him.... Its a dream when a tail ender bats but you cant expect them to make over 50 .... junaid gave about 8 runs and gives a boundry thats the best we can expect from him. Whereas his bowling... are you alright? did you forget how he bowled in srilanka? did you forget he troubled batsmen over there that have played wasim and waqar? in India he was pure destruction... did you forget that he took virat out three times who is supposed to be their best batsmen and averages 50? did you foget that he bowled better then gul and rahat in the first test and was the only one that could use the new ball atleast. He is learning and he is growing....

And forget amir... anyone who says amir should come back shows that he doesnt care about the team or the name of pakistan as long as his favourite player plays.
 
Junaid, by your logic, McGrath was the worst ever cricketer...same goes for all other bowlers whom were great bowlers but could barely bat all through their career! They were all worst professionals ever too?

I got a better one.. waqar younis... pure number 11 but apparently he was crap too.
 
No matter the talent Aamir had, he was involved in shady dealings (whether coarsed or not)...so I would take Junaid/Rahat/Irfan any day over him!

Yes he has talent, yes he is being punished for his mistakes etc. but when he becomes eligible again, he must start at the end of line and prove his worth before getting picked again
 
Amir is big hearted? , and Junaid is a coward.


Is the other way around that Amir is not even good enough to clean Junaid shoes, who cheated and sold his country.
 
I got a better one.. waqar younis... pure number 11 but apparently he was crap too.
No, and no.

Glenn McGrath worked incredibly hard on his batting, and it paid off.

He actually won a Test match with the bat. Seriously! In 2004-5, NZ scored 353 at the Gabba and Glenn McGrath came to the crease with Australia 471-9. He then scored 61 in a last wicket partnership of 114, building an improbable lead of 323 runs. He then took 3-19 to bowl the Kiwis all out for 76!

As for Waqar Younis, well he won a crunch Test match with the bat too! In the Lords Test in England in 1992, England set Pakistan just 138 to win, and Waqar came to the crease at number 10 with the score at 95-8 and defeat looked inevitable.

Waqar then scored 20 not out from 33 balls to carry Pakistan home, with Devon Malcolm bowling 155K thunderbolts.

That's my point. Tailenders need to spend hundreds of hours per year practising their batting, because they can save games and even occasionally win them with the bat.

But Junaid Khan seems to think that slogging a few boundaries is an acceptable alternative.

It isn't. Our openers do the hard work against the shiny, bouncy new ball. Our tailenders have to be trusted to survive for at least an hour against the old ball.
 
No, and no.

Glenn McGrath worked incredibly hard on his batting, and it paid off.

He actually won a Test match with the bat. Seriously! In 2004-5, NZ scored 353 at the Gabba and Glenn McGrath came to the crease with Australia 471-9. He then scored 61 in a last wicket partnership of 114, building an improbable lead of 323 runs. He then took 3-19 to bowl the Kiwis all out for 76!

As for Waqar Younis, well he won a crunch Test match with the bat too! In the Lords Test in England in 1992, England set Pakistan just 138 to win, and Waqar came to the crease at number 10 with the score at 95-8 and defeat looked inevitable.

Waqar then scored 20 not out from 33 balls to carry Pakistan home, with Devon Malcolm bowling 155K thunderbolts.

That's my point. Tailenders need to spend hundreds of hours per year practising their batting, because they can save games and even occasionally win them with the bat.

But Junaid Khan seems to think that slogging a few boundaries is an acceptable alternative.

It isn't. Our openers do the hard work against the shiny, bouncy new ball. Our tailenders have to be trusted to survive for at least an hour against the old ball.

And may I ask how many years after their debut they did this? And how many years have gone by since Junaid's? Thank you!
 
Extending this thread, Inzimam was a crap player with no guts because he couldn't bowl

Every bowler bats in a Test match. Twice.

Most batsmen don't have to bowl.

That's why every bowler has a responsibility to work on his batting for hours and hours and hours, because if numbers 7-11 can increase their output by an extra 50 runs per innings it is usually the difference between a team which consistently loses and a team which consistently wins Test matches.
 
Every bowler bats in a Test match. Twice.

Most batsmen don't have to bowl.

That's why every bowler has a responsibility to work on his batting for hours and hours and hours, because if numbers 7-11 can increase their output by an extra 50 runs per innings it is usually the difference between a team which consistently loses and a team which consistently wins Test matches.

I agree with this part. But Junaid can't be called out alone. Irfan is worse, Rahat isn't exactly great and the real coward Gul can bat but doesn't try to
 
Amir is big hearted? , and Junaid is a coward.


Is the other way around that Amir is not even good enough to clean Junaid shoes, who cheated and sold his country.

I'd forgotten about him selling state secrets to India. I thought he'd bowled a couple of no-balls to order in the middle of a spell of 11-4-29-4 while reducing England to 47-5 on the first day of a Test match.

A "sell-out" none of us actually noticed at the time. And occurring in the context of being led astray as an 18 year old by his captain, in circumstances in which according to evidence at his criminal trial all his team-mates apart from one were doing the same.

A big-hearted cricketer can be a criminal too. Ask Kim Barnett, who is about to go on trial and might be found guilty. But an honest cricketer can also be faint-hearted.

Seriously, I remember Pakistan doing brilliantly under Imran Khan in a Test series in the West Indies with Abdul Qadir batting at number 10 and a guy batting at number 11 who scored a Test century in Australia and also scored 257 not out in a Test match.

Sarfraz Ahmed would have batted at number 11 in that team. Yet he is now Pakistan's number 7 batsman?

Why aren't people rioting in the streets about the uselessness of this lower-order?
 
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I'd forgotten about him selling state secrets to India. I thought he'd bowled a couple of no-balls to order in the middle of a spell of 11-4-29-4 while reducing England to 47-5 on the first day of a Test match.

A "sell-out" none of us actually noticed at the time. And occurring in the context of being led astray as an 18 year old by his captain, in circumstances in which according to evidence at his criminal trial all his team-mates apart from one were doing the same.

A big-hearted cricketer can be a crook too. Ask Kim Barnett. But an honest cricketer can also be faint-hearted.

How much did England eventually get with this legend bowling?
 
Oh I know i would be villified for comitting blasphemy against the "great Khan" spare me plz the guy was an absolute brilliant cricketer but he had his own flaws, which age hasn't diminished. IK is no angel so plz stop portraying him like one.

No one is angel , but you do not have to pick falwas to defend a mediocre bowler who couldn't even do it in the domestic.
 
so junaid khan is a coward for ducking out

and rahat is a flat track bully for feasting on friendly pitch conditions


This needs extrapolating to include waqar younis who missed the 1992 and 1999 world cups because of his mental fragility
 
No one is angel , but you do not have to pick falwas to defend a mediocre bowler who couldn't even do it in the domestic.

I never claimed Azeem Hafeez was a legend he was ok bowler nothing medicore given the bowling resources of time and bowling avgs of time. I just have an issue with IK fan club who think IK was angel and has no flaws he did lot of guys in cuz of his ego and in long run did pak cricket permanent harmm you don't have to agree this is my opinion.
 
oh for god's sakes

Junaid did not "bottle" two consecutive series vs top teams. He only bowled 8 overs vs england. Eight overs, how is that bottling? how many wickets are you supposed to pick up in 8 overs in batting friendly conditions.

He finished with an average of 48 vs SA because he only played one match. So the whole "3 matches and 2 wickets" is ********. He did not even play two of the three matches, further you have no evidence that he faked or lied about his injury to avoid playing here.

Your logic is unbelievable. You accuse Junaid of "bottling" vs england when he only played one match and bowled 8 overs, you have indirecly accused Allan Donald of being a fixer because of the 1999 world cup semi final, and yet you defend cheats like Asif and Amir? Wow

And btw, it was Amir who was cowardly. What was his average in the sub continent again? why did he fail so miserably in the sub continent if he was so good? Junaid is a better bowler than Amir, and he is going to be a world class bowler too.
 
oh for god's sakes

Junaid did not "bottle" two consecutive series vs top teams. He only bowled 8 overs vs england. Eight overs, how is that bottling? how many wickets are you supposed to pick up in 8 overs in batting friendly conditions.

And btw, it was Amir who was cowardly. What was his average in the sub continent again? why did he fail so miserably in the sub continent if he was so good? Junaid is a better bowler than Amir, and he is going to be a world class bowler too.

There is some serious inflation of Junaid Khan's career going on in recent months.

In that Abu Dhabi Test, Stuart Broad had match figures of 5-83 and Jimmy Anderson 3-85.

Pakistan scored 257, and then England ended up scoring 327. The fact of the matter is that Junaid Khan was really toothless, and Misbah couldn't risk giving him the ball. He tried on the third morning, with England facing the second new ball at 268-7 and Pakistan needing to take quick wickets and avoid letting the lead rise. His first over went for 2 runs and his next over for 8, after which he had to be removed from the attack before the lead got out of hand.

Junaid is a completely unproven bowler of promise. His team has played two series against top teams in his career, and he has contributed precisely nothing.
 
Junaid is a completely unproven bowler of promise. His team has played two series against top teams in his career, and he has contributed precisely nothing.

Do you think before you post? His team may have played two series but he has only played 2 matches. In one of those he only bowled 8 overs. In the second he was the best Pakistani bowler on show.
 
No, and no.

Glenn McGrath worked incredibly hard on his batting, and it paid off.

He actually won a Test match with the bat. Seriously! In 2004-5, NZ scored 353 at the Gabba and Glenn McGrath came to the crease with Australia 471-9. He then scored 61 in a last wicket partnership of 114, building an improbable lead of 323 runs. He then took 3-19 to bowl the Kiwis all out for 76!

As for Waqar Younis, well he won a crunch Test match with the bat too! In the Lords Test in England in 1992, England set Pakistan just 138 to win, and Waqar came to the crease at number 10 with the score at 95-8 and defeat looked inevitable.

Waqar then scored 20 not out from 33 balls to carry Pakistan home, with Devon Malcolm bowling 155K thunderbolts.

That's my point. Tailenders need to spend hundreds of hours per year practising their batting, because they can save games and even occasionally win them with the bat.

But Junaid Khan seems to think that slogging a few boundaries is an acceptable alternative.

It isn't. Our openers do the hard work against the shiny, bouncy new ball. Our tailenders have to be trusted to survive for at least an hour against the old ball.

That is 2 performances in 200 tests.
Waqar never even scored a 50.
How and what logic do you use when you are expecting your bowlers to score runs when your specialist batsmen cannot even score? You are blaming Junaid for being injured and still praising Aamer who cheated and sold his soul is now banned? How can you call him Hard worker? He sold his country for easy money.
 
There is some serious inflation of Junaid Khan's career going on in recent months.

In that Abu Dhabi Test, Stuart Broad had match figures of 5-83 and Jimmy Anderson 3-85.

Pakistan scored 257, and then England ended up scoring 327. The fact of the matter is that Junaid Khan was really toothless, and Misbah couldn't risk giving him the ball. He tried on the third morning, with England facing the second new ball at 268-7 and Pakistan needing to take quick wickets and avoid letting the lead rise. His first over went for 2 runs and his next over for 8, after which he had to be removed from the attack before the lead got out of hand.

Junaid is a completely unproven bowler of promise. His team has played two series against top teams in his career, and he has contributed precisely nothing.

the fact of the matter is that you are clueless. So he went for 8 runs in an over. Remember the 1996 quarter final vs India, how many runs did Waqar go for? Does that make him "toothless"?

Junaid was a complete rookie in the england series, he bowled only 8 overs. The fact of the matter is that it is by no means bottling.

He has not played two full series vs top teams. He bowled 8 overs in one series, and bowled one good spell and one mediocre spell vs south africa. How can you claim he played two series when he only played 2 matches, and bowled precisely 8 overs in one of them?

as for anderson and broad, they bowled far more overs, have far more experience than junaid does, and bowled to an inferior batting line up. There is no debate here, a young inexperienced bowler bowling 8 overs vs a quality batting lineup and not getting any wickets is not bottling. Junaid had not even played 5 tests at the time, if i am not wrong it was his fifth test match.
 
Fast bowlers play through the pain barrier all the time. Blistered feet, chaifed groins, etc etc.

We know that Junaid did not strain or rupture anything. He got a bruise on his thigh. Dav Whatmore was clear eleven days ago that he would miss the 2nd Test but be fit for the 3rd.

Amir and Junaid were Under-19 contemporaries, and Amir accelerated way beyond Junaid in part because he is a much bigger-hearted cricketer who loves a challenge - and also was willing to work for hours and hours in the nets on his batting too.

In the absence of Asif and Amir, Junaid carried a big, big responsibility in South Africa - and he has finished the 3 match series with precisely 2 wickets at an average of 48.00. He has delivered less than Irfan, Rahat and even Hafeez as a bowler.

That wouldn't be so bad, but he was a waste of space against England in the UAE, too.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Junaid Khan so far, doesn't.

By the way, it's emphatically not libel to wonder whether or not a player is milking an injury. It's libel to state categorically that he is - which I haven't done. I'm just pointing out that only two Test batsmen in South Africa this summer out of 50 have backed away to square-leg like a coward. Jeetan Patel was the first, Junaid Khan was the second. And he then missed the next two Tests.

Draw your own conclusions.
agree with you about junaid.

i'm hoping though he hasn't missed this match due to milking a silly injury.

he gave a lot of hope after the iindia odi series, but playing test cricket against best is a different thing completely. i habe a feeling he is a bit f a coward.

im beginning to think bringing amir and asif back in the team might not be such a bad thing once their bans are lifted in the next 2 weeks.
 
agree with you about junaid.

i'm hoping though he hasn't missed this match due to milking a silly injury.

he gave a lot of hope after the iindia odi series, but playing test cricket against best is a different thing completely. i habe a feeling he is a bit f a coward.

im beginning to think bringing amir and asif back in the team might not be such a bad thing once their bans are lifted in the next 2 weeks.

You mean years.
 
Junaid Khan is an overrated bowler.....he will disappear soon after showing flashes of brilliance......Best batting line-ups in the cricketing world will send him to the cleaners
 
junaid is made of glass.

look at philla still bowling after hurting his kneee badly in the field.
 
If you listen to Junaids. If you listen to everyone else, hell no

well, asifs lawyers seem to think he has a good chance. i have a feeling he will be available soon too. they seem to be a lot of cases which have been overturned is other sports
 
agree with you about junaid.

i'm hoping though he hasn't missed this match due to milking a silly injury.

he gave a lot of hope after the iindia odi series, but playing test cricket against best is a different thing completely. i habe a feeling he is a bit f a coward.

im beginning to think bringing amir and asif back in the team might not be such a bad thing once their bans are lifted in the next 2 weeks.

I can only imagine the feelings of poor Dav Whatmore.

On a pace-friendly wicket at Centurion his two main strike fast bowlers have cried off, one with a two week old bruise on his leg and the other with a cold which didn't stop him from being a judge in the lady's costume competition on Day 1.

Forget Dav Whatmore: I myself don't know which absence is the more disgraceful of the two. Both of them annoy me an awful lot more than a trio of paid no-balls. I've always had a strong dislike for shirkers.

Test cricketers need to have guts. There are a number of players in this team whom I would never, ever let play a Test match again - Umar Gul, Sarfraz Ahmed and Mohammed Hafeez for starters - as well as Junaid Khan whom I would have on a last chance and on the understanding that he is on perpetual probation now for the rest of his career.

The only guys whose attitudes have satisfied me on this tour are (in descending order) Shafiq, Ajmal, Younis, Irfan and Azhar.

The rest of the princesses really have disappointed me.

And yes. While I don't want to see or hear from Salman Butt ever again, I'd have Amir and Asif in the team the second they become eligible.

They are not just skilled but they work hard, they play through pain and discomfort and they try. And they don't cry off with dubious injuries or illnesses or back away so far from fast bowling that they are at risk of running over the square-leg umpire.
 
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well, asifs lawyers seem to think he has a good chance. i have a feeling he will be available soon too. they seem to be a lot of cases which have been overturned is other sports

http://www.prideofpakistan.com/v2/i...-not-enough-evidence-against-butt-asif-lawyer
LAHORE: Salman Butt’s former lawyer Aftab Gul, who represented the former Pakistan captain at the ICC spot-fixing hearings in UAE, believes that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in London does not have enough evidence to give an adverse decision against the banned batsman and pacer Mohammad Asif.

Butt and Asif, who were banned by the ICC anti-corruption tribunal for their role in the spot-fixing scandal that broke out in England, are presently awaiting a verdict from the jury at the Southwark crown court which is hearing criminal cases of cheating and conspiracy.

“I don’t think these two players should get an adverse judgment from the court,” Gul said citing a lack of evidence for the charges brought against the two cricketers by the crown prosecutor’s office.

“The court does not have enough evidence to prove them guilty. In fact the footage of the defunct ‘News of the world’ newspaper is also inconclusive as these players are not seen receiving money from the alleged bookmaker and their agent, Mazhar Majeed,” Gul noted.

“In these circumstances I think any punishment to Butt and Asif would be unjust,” he added.

Gul said since teenage pacer Mohammad Amir, the third player involved in the scandal, had already given a written confession therefore his chances were bleak but that the other two should be given the benefit of doubt.

Amir and bookie and player agent Mazhar Majeed have been asked to appear before the crown court and jury on November 3 and 4 with a decision expected from the court next week.

The Jury deciding on the spot-fixing trail at the Southwark Crown Court were sent home for the weekend after having failed to reach a verdict in two days of deliberation.

The judge, Mr Justice Cooke, urged the jury of six men and six women to reach a unanimous verdict.

That turned out so well
 
I can only imagine the feelings of poor Dav Whatmore.

On a pace-friendly wicket at Centurion his two main strike fast bowlers have cried off, one with a two week old bruise on his leg and the other with a cold which didn't stop him from being a judge in the lady's costume competition on Day 1.

Forget Dav Whatmore: I myself don't know which absence is the more disgraceful of the two. Both of them annoy me an awful lot more than a trio of paid no-balls. I've always had a strong dislike for shirkers.

Test cricketers need to have guts. There are a number of players in this team whom I would never, ever let play a Test match again - Umar Gul, Sarfraz Ahmed and Mohammed Hafeez for starters - as well as Junaid Khan whom I would have on a last chance and on the understanding that he is on perpetual probation now for the rest of his career.

The only guys whose attitudes have satisfied me on this tour are (in descending order) Shafiq, Ajmal, Younis, Irfan and Azhar.

The rest of the princesses really have disappointed me.

And yes. While I don't want to see or hear from Salman Butt ever again, I'd have Amir and Asif in the team the second they become eligible.

They are not just skilled but they work hard, they play through pain and discomfort and they try. And they don't cry off with dubious injuries or illnesses or back away so far from fast bowling that they are at risk of running over the square-leg umpire.

Gul was crap, Junaid IS injured. Your view on it is yours and has no proof
 
I can only imagine the feelings of poor Dav Whatmore.

On a pace-friendly wicket at Centurion his two main strike fast bowlers have cried off, one with a two week old bruise on his leg and the other with a cold which didn't stop him from being a judge in the lady's costume competition on Day 1.

Test cricketers need to have guts. There are a number of players in this team whom I would never, ever let play a Test match again - Umar Gul, Sarfraz Ahmed and Mohammed Hafeez for starters - as well as Junaid Khan whom I would have on a last chance and on the understanding that he is on perpetual probation now for the rest of his career.

The only guys whose attitudes have satisfied me on this tour are (in descending order) Shafiq, Ajmal, Younis, Irfan and Azhar.

The rest of the princesses really have disappointed me.

And yes. While I don't want to see or hear from Salman Butt ever again, I'd have Amir and Asif in the team the second they become eligible.

They are not just skilled but they work hard, they play through pain and discomfort and they try. And they don't cry off with dubious injuries or illnesses or back away so far from fast bowling that they are at risk of running over the square-leg umpire.

i don't doubt gul's commitment to the team and i reckon he was told to say he has a cold, rather than say he has been rested/dropped. just easier to deal with the media. gul has the commitment, but lacks intelligence and ability - especially that expected of a seasoned campaigner.

junaid on the other hand is on the other side of the scale, has ability but seems to lack the testicular fortitude
 
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IT won't be overturned. Guilty Asif as and will stay.

Did you hear Majeed say that fixing matches was next?
 
Gul was crap, Junaid IS injured. Your view on it is yours and has no proof

First Test at Johannesburg:

First Innings
Umar Gul 19-2-56-2
Junaid Khan 18-8-33-2

Second Innings
Umar Gul 14-2-58-2
Junaid Khan 13-1-63-0

Junaid was actually the poorer of the two: he followed the time-honoured tradition of bowling a foot too short and missing the edge by three inches.
 
You are a Disgrace dude, alleging people without any proof

Come up with a authentic claim, then I would agree with you
 
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IT won't be overturned. Guilty Asif as and will stay.

Did you hear Majeed say that fixing matches was next?

The Court of Arbitration for Sport certainly didn't.

Their Terms of Reference restrict them to hearing and reviewing evidence submitted at the original ICC hearing. The only Asif evidence is the actual no-ball. No phone calls, no texts, no wire taps, no money in his possession.
 
You are free to allege against Junaid but won't hear a word against a cheat
 
You are free to allege against Junaid but won't hear a word against a cheat
I accept that they cheated, and I think they've been punished enough, especially because there are two Test matches going on today, and the other one is littered with players whom I suspect of fixing.
 
First Test at Johannesburg:

First Innings
Umar Gul 19-2-56-2
Junaid Khan 18-8-33-2

Second Innings
Umar Gul 14-2-58-2
Junaid Khan 13-1-63-0

Junaid was actually the poorer of the two: he followed the time-honoured tradition of bowling a foot too short and missing the edge by three inches.

When team get's out for 49all out you can't expect the bowlers to bowl attacking lines.
 
give junaid a last chance? are you serious? who are you to decide the injury is "dubious"? Junaid does not lack mental strength, he has shown plenty of it in the short time he has played international cricket.

Will the mods please ban this poster? He accuses players of faking injuries, accuses basically the entire pak team of match/spot fixing without any evidence (bar Ajmal), accuses guys like Allan Donald of cheating, why is he still allowed to post here?

And Asif and Amir have not been punished enough. Asif took drugs and the drug offense alone should have gotten him a 5 year ban which it did not. Asif is a cheat who should never even be allowed to set foot in a cricket stadium, let alone play another match.
 
give junaid a last chance? are you serious? who are you to decide the injury is "dubious"? Junaid does not lack mental strength, he has shown plenty of it in the short time he has played international cricket.

Will the mods please ban this poster? He accuses players of faking injuries, accuses basically the entire pak team of match/spot fixing without any evidence (bar Ajmal), accuses guys like Allan Donald of cheating, why is he still allowed to post here?

And Asif and Amir have not been punished enough. Asif took drugs and the drug offense alone should have gotten him a 5 year ban which it did not. Asif is a cheat who should never even be allowed to set foot in a cricket stadium, let alone play another match.

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This idiot is saying Asif has served enough punishment, Asif took drugs before WC2007, then was involved in a fight with Shoaib Akthar, then again took drugs during IPL and was caught carrying drugs in UAE, and at last he was caught spot fixing.
 
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This idiot is saying Asif has served enough punishment, Asif took drugs before WC2007, then was involved in a fight with Shoaib Akthar, then again took drugs during IPL and was caught carrying drugs in UAE, and at last he was caught spot fixing.

Correction, the ICC spot fixing trial only added two years to his mandatory minimum five year ban "because he had no prior disciplinary offences recorded by either the PCB or ICC."

Your Board made the steroid charges disappear, so they can't be used against him. Thanks to your Board, Asif had a 100% clean record before the fix.
 
Pretty controversial poster Junaids. I have noticed you have a habit of making accusations and claim your opinions as proof.
 
Really is sad how we can pick on the people who represent our future like that. Junaid will stay long with Pakistan - whether he will become another Gul is another issue
 
it appears like jk performance against india is too far fetched.

The thing is that such threads always result in a suggestion or in acknowledgement of a fact that we needs genuine fast bowlers. Aggressive and fast
 
I agree on junaid. Backing away was horrible and is overrated. Bruised thigh..........
 
either Junaid has a glass thigh or a glass heart.... either way he is the glass man
 
Junaid Khan is an overrated bowler.....he will disappear soon after showing flashes of brilliance......Best batting line-ups in the cricketing world will send him to the cleaners






The best batting line up in the world aka your phatta track experts were dancing against Junaid like they used to be the professional dancers!

Your best new batting chump could only score 2-3 runs in 20-230 odd balls and fell to him almost every time in the matches he faced Junaid. Yes, he is overrated
 
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This idiot is saying Asif has served enough punishment, Asif took drugs before WC2007, then was involved in a fight with Shoaib Akthar, then again took drugs during IPL and was caught carrying drugs in UAE, and at last he was caught spot fixing.

What has this got to do with him taking money to bowl a no-ball?

There is no evidence on him so there is no convinction. He is an innocent man.

This is why we have the justice system right so people like you don't get to make the rules.

He is gifted with the ball. Geniuses such as Asif are rare and always eccentric. Think Ballotelli and other athletes in sport.

He is our Dale Steyn and we need him back in the team asap.
 
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Azeem Hafeez during Pakistan V West Indies in the 1983/84 World Series Cup
 
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Azeem Hafeez during Pakistan V West Indies in the 1983/84 World Series Cup

what great mindet he would have had

bearing in mind the bloke had only one hand. The right hand pretty much all fingers were amputated
 
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