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Ramiz Raja "I suggested to Babar Azam that look, England are playing the T20 format in the 5-day version, so you better pick T20 players here"

What's going on?

A lot of advice for Babar Azam from Ramiz Raja.

T20 players for Tests?

Is this why Faheem Ashraf, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Nawaz are being picked in Tests?

England seem to have these type of players at their disposal and are playing that type of cricket, but Pakistan picking T20 players for Test cricket is a disaster waiting to happen isn't it?
 
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It's foolish to pick T20 players for test cricket. T20 cricketers, who have never played a first class match or not played many, should not be selected for test cricket. They will be found out and it's unfair on them too.

The likes of Will Jacks has played 40 odd first class matches, Harry Brooks has played 50+ and has more than 3000 first class runs under his belt. The players must have some first class experience and been through a number of situations so that if a similar situation presents itself at the international stage then they have some experience to look back at and come up with a sensible strategy to counter the situation.

Someone like Saud Shakeel is a good example of someone with experience (50+ first class matches, 4000+ first class runs) who has started off well and now needs some time to settle at the international stage.
 
I think what Ramiz is trying to encourage the team is to improve their strike rates. Even Inzi as the CS kept telling the players the same thing.
 
zzzzz said:
It's foolish to pick T20 players for test cricket. T20 cricketers, who have never played a first class match or not played many, should not be selected for test cricket. They will be found out and it's unfair on them too.

The likes of Will Jacks has played 40 odd first class matches, Harry Brooks has played 50+ and has more than 3000 first class runs under his belt. The players must have some first class experience and been through a number of situations so that if a similar situation presents itself at the international stage then they have some experience to look back at and come up with a sensible strategy to counter the situation.

Someone like Saud Shakeel is a good example of someone with experience (50+ first class matches, 4000+ first class runs) who has started off well and now needs some time to settle at the international stage.
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Yup only in Pakistan these statements are made. There is no distinction.
Actually, England’s T20 players are established FC players including Livingstone, Brooks, Duckett, Malan and many others.
 
nawaz should never have been dropped from the test xi in the first place, he bowled well in sri lanka, and fahim was dropped from the t20 squad ages ago. if rambo told babar to select t20 players, babar didnt really listen.

pakistani players tend to defensiveness to cope with pressure, the difference is england do the opposite.
 
Ramiz needs to focus on bigger picture things. I’ve never seen a cricket board chairman yap as much as this guy about stuff that’s none of his business.

Improve the cricketing structure of the country- hire a solid coach who isn’t a cheerleader to relay this sort of “advice” (which is half baked anyway) advice to the captain.
 
Saj said:
Ramiz Raja "I suggested to Babar Azam that look, England are playing the T20 format in the 5-day version, so you better pick T20 players here"

What's going on?

A lot of advice for Babar Azam from Ramiz Raja.

T20 players for Tests?

Is this why Faheem Ashraf, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Nawaz are being picked in Tests?

England seem to have these type of players at their disposal and are playing that type of cricket, but Pakistan picking T20 players for Test cricket is a disaster waiting to happen isn't it?
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I think the mistake ramiz has made hear is the word “players”. What he should be saying is about mindset. If the opposition is trying to play t20 cricket, counter that by how you would deal deal with that style in a t20.

Naturally a lot of t20 bowlers won’t last a whole test (as we are finding out with Rauf). But your bowlers that you do select need to be prepared to bowl the variations etc. set the field accordingly.
 
The other thing I want to mention is that I remember watching a fascinating interview of Shane Warne a few years ago.

He said in white ball he would bowl attacking and set a defensive field

In test cricket he would bowl defensively and set attacking fields.

Maybe to counter the bazball approach is to do the former but also have the ability to flip it too.

But in order to do so you need to be a dynamic captain, a thinking captain, not someone gormless like Babar
 
Rameez is wrong, why dont you pick guys like Taimor Mirza, Bunty Bhai and Zahid Karnal for tests.
 
TheSultan said:
The other thing I want to mention is that I remember watching a fascinating interview of Shane Warne a few years ago.

He said in white ball he would bowl attacking and set a defensive field

In test cricket he would bowl defensively and set attacking fields.

Maybe to counter the bazball approach is to do the former but also have the ability to flip it too.

But in order to do so you need to be a dynamic captain, a thinking captain, not someone gormless like Babar
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Super interesting. Kind of demonstrates what a genius Warne was.
 
Saj said:
Ramiz Raja "I suggested to Babar Azam that look, England are playing the T20 format in the 5-day version, so you better pick T20 players here"

What's going on?

A lot of advice for Babar Azam from Ramiz Raja.

T20 players for Tests?

Is this why Faheem Ashraf, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Nawaz are being picked in Tests?

England seem to have these type of players at their disposal and are playing that type of cricket, but Pakistan picking T20 players for Test cricket is a disaster waiting to happen isn't it?
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Why are you lumping Faheem & Nawaz in that group? Faheem is a regular part of the Test team and overall, has been good for Pakistan in Tests. Nawaz was already on the squad and played in the SL match and was our best spinner.

I guess you can debate on Rauf but look at Pakistan's woeful pace options in Tests. It's downright awful.

Pakistan is just a mediocre team and I don't think people need to look into some sort of wild deeper reason as to why they aren't better. It's a super inexperienced squad for the most part too with most of the players on the squad being players who haven't been played a dozen Tests. Making stupid decisions like not playing Abrar in the first Test doesn't help situation either.
 
Ramiz interfering too much... This is the added problem when they appoint ex-cricketers into Administrative roles..
 
Getting tired of chairman saab.

He heads to understand and do his role. He shouldn't be replacing role of chief selector, coach, captain.

Let them be accountable.

Now I don't know whether to blame Babar for all That's going on from pitches to selection to strategy, etc or Babar or Saqlain or Wasim.

I expected him to do work at grass roots level and for national team hire top notch foreign coaching staff maybe supplemented by one or two locals.

If we lose 3 zero it's time to get rid of Rameez and Babar both. Also Saqlain and Wasim.

Things seemed to be much better during Inzy, Mackey, Sarfraz days even if we may not have fluked our way to a final. Even Misbah days for tests were much better.

Nowadays we seem to have a big gulf in white ball and red ball.
 
Rameez is just trying to give quotable lines. To some extent can excuse bowling selections this series (except Zahid) because simply too many injuries.

But playing T20 players?? Why doesn't Ramiz say why Mohammad Haris and Asif Ali are not in squad then?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is what happens if you keep picking T20 players for Test cricket <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvsENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvsENG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1602221527000387586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Raja has made a fantasy figure of himself in his own mind. The man has been a massive let down and continues to make idiotic comments and statements.
 
Yes, we picked a T20 specialist called Haris Rauf and we all saw the end result. Ramiz plz keep your genius thoughts to yourself!
 
Ramiz raja is dumb . How can he say that . Your best player was Saud who is test specialist . If it was Upto Ramiz to select 11 he might go with asif Ali in this line up
 
Rameez needs to be muzzled, keeps barking into the wind like a wild dog
 
Ramiz to Babar Azam: Look, England are playing the T20 format in the 5-day version, so you better pick T20 players here"

Babar: Yes, whatever you say Boss!


Ramiz to Kohli: Look, England are playing the T20 format in the 5-day version, so you better pick T20 players here"

Kohli: Baba jee you are aging...You better stick to commentating and LISTEN stay away from our dressing room!
 
Ramiz bhai needs to understand that England picked the best 11 for the test team, some of whom happened to be accomplished T20 players as well...... Not the other way around ie. pick T20 players and hope they do well in Tests!
 
out t20 players are worst .. except asif ali ..asif ali should have played all test matches
 
Anything can be expected from this jokes chairman

I’m sure he advised selectors to pick Test players for T20.
 
What short of mentality is that being a chairman of Pakistan. Picking T20 players for test cricket. Ramiz Raza completely lost his mind.
 
What sort of nonsense is this? He shouldn’t be interfering in the player selection process.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He wants to copy their approach
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Do it if you have the players, but don't just try to copy it by throwing in any old rubbish white-ball player into Test cricket.

Flawed thinking and approach by the think-tank.
 
For those Ramiz supporters who claimed he doesn't interfere with team selection - you've now heard it from the horse's mouth.

Why are people surprised ? Ramiz even claimed he told Babar what fields to set after beating India last year at the WC !

Ramiz is a narcissistic buffoon whose whole cricketing career is owed to his elite background. His commentary and YouTube punditry consisted of little more than populist cliches despite travelling the world for 20 years and working alongside the most knowledgeable names in the sport. He had little clue about domestic cricket.

Nevertheless his crowd pleasing statements and Imran Khan's backing was sufficient to land him the job. He earned much goodwill for removing everyone's favourite villain Misbah - but any idiot can sack someone. Did he hire a qualified replacement ? We've still got the "interim" coach (and part time philosopher) Saqlain despite never being a head coach even in FC cricket.

He handed inept Babar dictatorial power as captain (since Ramiz is stuck in Imran Khan era) despite never having any track record of leadership success at any level.

His public statements (blank check, losing not an option, we beat billion dollar team, we made flat tracks to nullify Australia's quicks) are needless and counterproductive.

There's reports domestic players haven't received their match fees for 5 months - Sindh haven't got their prize money yet for winning the National T20 ! Ramiz is quick to take credit when things go well, but as an administrator he's well below par.
 
Rana said:
Is this news to you now?

He has been meddling in selection from the word go as chairman
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I am pretty sure that’s what you get when you have a former player as head of the board (pretty sure even Ganguly was doing this) - these Asian ex-players have an inflated ego & think they know the best & hence they can give unwarranted suggestions to the captain. That’s why you need a professional not an ex-player running the cricket board.
 
England have set the path for success. Others have to build a team that can play like them.

You can only cut Diamond with a diamond. Not with copper or cheese.
 
Saj said:
Do it if you have the players, but don't just try to copy it by throwing in any old rubbish white-ball player into Test cricket.

Flawed thinking and approach by the think-tank.
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Asif Ali is a T20 player. Even for a T20 match number of balls, he survives is less. About 10 balls. He is sending a wrong message. Playing tests like T20 is not for everyone. Australia style is the best practical method for everyone to adapt.
 
The one guy I recon Pakistan could throw into Test is Khushdil shah and ask him to play the way he does play international T20

His T20i batting is ideal for BazBall
 
I thought Harry Brook was a T20 batsman too. But he has scored a lot of runs for yorkshire. Includig Tets his record for this year is 11 tests 17 innings 1336 runs 95.42 avge 80.96 strike rate 5 centuries, 7 fifties. They basically picked a first class performer with high strike rate. He is not a T20 player exclusively. Same way ben Duckett has scored 1261 in 12 matches with an average of 70 at a strike rate of 79.40.

If Pakistan wants someone Shan Masood is probably an option. That guy has a strike rate of 76.17 for this year with over 1074 runs in 8 matches at 82.61 avge
 
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Dont think teams should try playing tests like T20 overnight. While there is some merit in playing with aggression, it has to be surely situational else it will be complete harakiri. England almost committed one at the beginning of day 4, but were lucky to get away due to the first innings cushion they had - I also don’t think they would have gotten away with it against Ind or Aus as scoring 350 odd these days with 5 sessions in hand on a not so terrible pitch is not really a big deal.

In other words, Pak should identify their own strategies & stick to it. We dont have players who can play with that kind of mindset, so no point reaching out for the bazball.
 
Taking players for their T20 records in Tests is disaster for Pakistan. We must have our own strategy but whatever that is, we should do it right.
 
Will be fun to see Khusdil Shah, Asif Ali, Haider Ali in test matches.
 
Savak said:
Will be fun to see Khusdil Shah, Asif Ali, Haider Ali in test matches.
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That will be the day I stop watching Pakistan cricket for good.

I know our think-tank are all over the place, but even they wouldn't surely be that mad.
 
The thinking is so basic and flawed.

England have Test cricketers playing an aggressive brand of cricket which is working well for them. It's not through luck, it's through good planning and selection and leadership.

Meanwhile our geniuses think by picking T20 players for Test cricket suddenly we will play like England.
 
Someone needs to tell Ramiz that Ben Duckket has played around 60 first class games and has played county for 7 years before getting his test debut. Similarly Harry Brooke has played around 30 first class games and has played county for 5 years.

England is not blindly putting its top T-20 players into test cricket.
 
The only problem is our t20 players are like test players who are not even good at test cricket
 
Savak said:
Someone needs to tell Ramiz that Ben Duckket has played around 60 first class games and has played county for 7 years before getting his test debut. Similarly Harry Brooke has played around 30 first class games and has played county for 5 years.

England is not blindly putting its top T-20 players into test cricket.
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Agreed. Interestingly , it also shows that England is not even blindly putting its T20 players into T20 cricket. All of England’s T20 players have played tremendous amount of FC cricket.

There is a famous adage in guitar playing that you must learn to play slower in order to play faster. In batting too, you need to be able to defend before you can extend as attacking stroke play is an extension of defense. In addition of course, it requires sublime timing and placement, fitness and other factors

I see a lot of posters on Pakpassion asking for inclusion of newbie T20 players based on performances in national t20 tournament.

Pakistan should not be selecting any T20 player unless they’ve played at least 3 seasons of FC and showed promise in the longer format as well as the shorter format. This is the insight.
 
It remains a very strange quote from Ramiz which demonstrates that he has only superficially understood the new English approach to Tests.

England will play the bowling aggressively and run hard at the right moments in the match, but they will also play sensibly against the red ball when the bowlers are on top & will look to ride out the storm.

We have seen this adaptability at different points against New Zealand at Lord’s, South Africa in Manchester, and presently at Karachi.

Of course when England sense that the game is there for the taking and the opposition are vulnerable mentally, they will go all out attack and try to convert this opportunity into a result.

This is not trying to play T20 cricket in Tests.
It’s just playing good intelligent Test cricket.
 
Salman Butt has a point

“What has hurt Pakistan cricket is their love affair with the shortest format, their blindfold love affair with T20 cricket,” he said. Youngsters are keen to play T20 cricket. His eyes are fixed on PSL or other league. If they play ODIs, well and good, all they want is the Test cap. We’re on the wrong track.”

If you search for players even with lanterns, you won’t find them. You have no replacement for the longer format”

“Is Saud Shakeel a product of a new system? He is coming from the old system to the U19 Development Squad. stop the drama

“When you have technique, defense and skill, you will not allow England to play this kind of cricket. The same team will not be able to play like this in Australia or India. Even South Africa would not allow him to play his style of cricket. No one will give them such conditions.

“We play domestic cricket on green pitches. In Test matches, we prepare spin-friendly wickets.
 
On Tuesday, Babar Azam was asked about Ramiz's advice and he shut down the talk saying that Pakistan has a plan in place for every format and mindset can't be changed overnight, it takes time.

“The door is not shut for anyone. There is a set plan for everything and we have it for every format. You can't change things in a day or week. It takes time. For mindset to change, it takes time. Then, if we start playing defensively, journalists will ask why we don't play aggressively and when we play aggressively, they ask why we don't play the other way. There will always be questions, you can't please everyone. Ultimately what matters is results. If results don't come then questions will be raised no matter what we do"

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...s-for-tests-advice-watch-101671531879356.html
 
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