[VIDEO] Rapists should be publicly hanged, chemically castrated: PM Imran Khan

[saeedhk]

That is good but that will only happen when a rapist is convicted. Due to our abysmal police and corrupt judicial system, the majority of rape cases cannot be proved or the perpetrators bribe off corrupt police officers or judges to get off the hook. Pakistan has a rape conviction rate of a mere 3%.

We need to fix our police and judiciary first.

 

[Nadeemp]

Studies have shown capital punishment doesn't stop crime and sometimes has the opposite effect. It leads to what's essentially suicide by homicide (i.e. committing a crime to die).

There's also additional concerns such as punishing the wrong person (very common in places like Pakistan), dehumanizing all criminals (including those serving small sentences causing more criminal activity when they return), and changing your society's tolerance towards violent retribution.

Giving a mediocre legal system such as Pakistan's an option such as this is asking for trouble. This is the same system that can't handle the blasphemy law without getting itself twisted into knots.

Also take in consideration the rape laws in Pakistan. Very hard to get a rape conviction. Would you change hudood laws?

 

[Savak]

Imagine if this law was in place when Iron Mike Tyson was convicted in 1990

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

If you have time listen to this reality,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=scSQc9iauuw
Rape is a worldwide problem so is false rape allegation

I skimmed through the video. Very disturbing to hear about these false rape allegations.

Heart breaking to read the comments of men who have to go through these false rape allegations.

These women who do false rape allegations should go to jail.

 

[Nadeemp]

I skimmed through the video. Very disturbing to hear about these false rape allegations.

Heart breaking to read the comments of men who have to go through these false rape allegations.

These women who do false rape allegations should go to jail.

Have to agree with you 100 percent. What about 4 witnesses criteria for rape conviction . What do you think of that law

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Have to agree with you 100 percent. What about 4 witnesses criteria for rape conviction . What do you think of that law

Awful law. I think Musharraf removed it though. However if its still an active law then it needs to go.

 

[yasir]

But isnt a good example enough to scare people from doing this?

Society also needs to set good example of itself as well. There is a reason, as we are getting more aware, we do away with torturious public punishments. You have to focus on bigger picture, take this opportunity to fix the underline cultural and social issues... Violence is not solution to any problem, you don't want to make masses immune to violence. Blasphemy laws and extreme stands by govt/constitutions on religious matters is an example, it has increased violence an encourage mop lynching. Did it solved any problem? - Now Shias are next in line for percussion.

Women empowerment is key not dog and pony show of mass public hanging. You need to take 8/10 years old kids off the street, not just focus on criminals. Women empowerment automatically take cares of population control and brings more prosperity in the society and equality, its win win situation. You have to focus on finding long term cure for Cancer, not on next organ that has failed.

Again these are not sexy measures, but at some point you have to invest and plan for long term, this T20 mentality does not pay off in real work. Real world is like test cricket, where hard work pays off not just talent.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This law is the need of the hour. Exemption should be made for spousal rape which should be tried under domestic abuse laws.

 

[Sidilicious]

Society also needs to set good example of itself as well. There is a reason, as we are getting more aware, we do away with torturious public punishments. You have to focus on bigger picture, take this opportunity to fix the underline cultural and social issues... Violence is not solution to any problem, you don't want to make masses immune to violence. Blasphemy laws and extreme stands by govt/constitutions on religious matters is an example, it has increased violence an encourage mop lynching. Did it solved any problem? - Now Shias are next in line for percussion.

Women empowerment is key not dog and pony show of mass public hanging. You need to take 8/10 years old kids off the street, not just focus on criminals. Women empowerment automatically take cares of population control and brings more prosperity in the society and equality, its win win situation. You have to focus on finding long term cure for Cancer, not on next organ that has failed.

Again these are not sexy measures, but at some point you have to invest and plan for long term, this T20 mentality does not pay off in real work. Real world is like test cricket, where hard work pays off not just talent.

excellent post. kudos

 

[Robert]

None sense, firstly am certain you'd have a different view if you or your family were on the receiving end quiet literally. And secondly, the 'make them face and accept their deed' and 'until they are not a danger to anyone else' sounds like something out of a bloody fairy tale! I think both of you must be sharing a Disney+ account to presume that these offenders are transformed meticulously as human beings the moment they enter and come out the other side as good little birdies, on a personal note you would know how difficult it can be to adapt or change who you are, there are tweaks we can make along the way but in the end it is all dependent on the type of person we are, I feel that is is extremely dangerous to trust authorities who are responsible for ensuring the criminal feel remorse and importantly, get rid of the poison in their mind.

The only argument which I can somewhat see is miscarriage of justice, however this is why I'd like for a process which would remove any doubt in this regard prior to the death penalty being carried out; if the law is strong and the corruption minimal, then I see no reason why those responsible should pay for what they did permanently.

The British prison system can be redemptive. Some released offenders do not reoffend, including some paedophiles. That’s not Disney, that’s fact.

 

[Robert]

Oh, and [MENTION=29064]shaz[/MENTION]219, you’re quite quick with your certainty that my family were not “on the receiving end quite literally” - a deeply unpleasant simile. You know little of my experience and how my views on crime, justice and redemption have formed.

 

[proud_pakistani]

If there really was a way to say hit it where it hurts the most chemical castration is the way followed by hanging. These rapists and pedophiles need to be genuinely afraid for them to stop this. I personally think there is no way back for the rapist tbh. He destroys a life and the people around them and it pretty much impacts an entire generation.

 

[Mamoon]

More than this, we need to abolish the “two finger test” that is used by the police to determine if a rape has happened or not.

I don’t need to explain what the “two finger test” is. Aqalmand ke liye ishara kaafi.

 

[Robert]

Oh, and [MENTION=29064]shaz[/MENTION]219, you’re quite quick with your certainty that my family were not “on the receiving end quite literally” - a deeply unpleasant simile. You know little of my experience and how my views on crime, justice and redemption have formed.

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] I mean.

 

[Bewal Express]

The British prison system can be redemptive. Some released offenders do not reoffend, including some paedophiles. That’s not Disney, that’s fact.

They may not offend but the lives of the victims are destroyed forever.

 

[CricketCartoons]

More than this, we need to abolish the “two finger test” that is used by the police to determine if a rape has happened or not.

I don’t need to explain what the “two finger test” is. Aqalmand ke liye ishara kaafi.

It was banned as recently as 2013 in india, and separate law for sexually assaulting children was passed in 2012. so called democracy with so called great leaders like nehru and gandhis never thought about such an obvious thing.

 

[saeedhk]

More than this, we need to abolish the “two finger test” that is used by the police to determine if a rape has happened or not.

I don’t need to explain what the “two finger test” is. Aqalmand ke liye ishara kaafi.

Yes. It is utterly humiliating and barbaric.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Wouldn’t work. But try it anyway, if it makes people feel any better.

 

[Syed1]

Wouldn’t work. But try it anyway, if it makes people feel any better.

Obviously liberal losers have an issue with it. Afterall have to think about the rights of the rapist as well.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Society also needs to set good example of itself as well. There is a reason, as we are getting more aware, we do away with torturious public punishments. You have to focus on bigger picture, take this opportunity to fix the underline cultural and social issues... Violence is not solution to any problem, you don't want to make masses immune to violence. Blasphemy laws and extreme stands by govt/constitutions on religious matters is an example, it has increased violence an encourage mop lynching. Did it solved any problem? - Now Shias are next in line for percussion.

Women empowerment is key not dog and pony show of mass public hanging. You need to take 8/10 years old kids off the street, not just focus on criminals. Women empowerment automatically take cares of population control and brings more prosperity in the society and equality, its win win situation. You have to focus on finding long term cure for Cancer, not on next organ that has failed.

Again these are not sexy measures, but at some point you have to invest and plan for long term, this T20 mentality does not pay off in real work. Real world is like test cricket, where hard work pays off not just talent.

Mostly what sounds good in books. And not that it’s wrong and should not be pursued but it alone doesn’t work to address this particular issue in a specific social environment in a particular part of the world. What you stated; however, is part of the solution.

In reality, in the first world countries, this has been done but rape and pedophilia is still rampant.

You want to create an all rosy and all dandy utopia - sorry, it doesn’t happen in the real world.

Strict laws work. This is part of human nature on collective basis.

You are driving at 2 AM in the middle of the night in a lonely street here in United States - and you come across a stop sign - YOU WILL MAKE A STOP!

Why because? You know it that if there is a cop watching - YOU WILL GET A TIGKET!
Or, if an accident happens due to your breaking the law. YOU WILL BE MADE TO PAY THE DAMAGES - your auto insurance will go up, your license will get points and you will face law suits. There is no getting away with it.

Why do you religiously pay income taxes? Because the IRS will come after you even if you hide in Mexico.

Petty theft on the other hand is high because there are no consequences.

Albeit high child safety and great women empowerment, rape and pedophelia is high - why because? The consequences are mild.

The monster knows that he will be out of prison in as a little as 6 months after being provided with three hot meals a day, laundry services, gym, internet, library, shower facilities, hair cut, medical care, and security. And all that at the expense of tax payer’s money. And incidentally, one of that tax payer could be a woman who was a raped or a parent of the kid who was molested. What an irony!

May be you are OK with it but I don’t want my tax money to be used to provide all these facilities to a sick monster and who will continue to live among our neighborhoods in the near future. I would rather see a 50 cents bullet in the back of his head after proven guilty based on DNA or other undeniable evidence in a fair trial.


Human psychology is different when you deal with it at an INDIVIDUAL level vs when you deal with it in MASSES.

And when you deal with it in masses then always remember, DETERRENCE is one of the most effective ways. It works!

There is a reason why theft crime is low in Saudia vs USA or England or Uruguay.

We are talking about curbing rape and pedophilia in a third world country here.
And what makes a country, a third world country?
I doubt that you know but you will pretend as if you did, but anyway, it’s CORRUPTION.

Reduce the corruption and it will result in the enforcement of the laws of the land. Which will result in many, many social ills being curved, because of the DETERRENCE of enforced law.

Pakistan is not Denmark or Switzerland. And it won’t become one, no matter what do you do - so let’s live in the real world, consider the ground facts and bitter realities to come up with the solution. Remember, you are talking about a third world country where resources are EXTREMELY LIMITED and women n kids are at risk of their lives being destroyed by rape and pedophilia.

I am all for women empowerment in a wise, effective and disciplined manner, and I am all for providing safety to our kids which includes demolishing the child labor culture - This must be done - BUT - these “long term and unsexy measures” alone do NOT work to address the issue at hands.

You have all of these unsexy measures here in the US, go take a look at rape and pedophilia statistics.

IMO,
We need a combo of reducing corruption and enforcement of strict laws to curb this particular, and many other social ills in a third world country where resources are very limited, and there is a dire need to put out this fire.
The “long term unsexy measures” are welcome as a side kick but they serve a different purpose and play a great role in advancement and development of a society; however, human nature on a collective basis, does not change.

So along with these unsexy long term measures, a great reduction in corruption and introduction of strict laws is a must to provide a safe and healthy environment to our kids and women to grow.

T20 is the best way to deal with these sick monsters together with long term unsexy measures if your REALLY want to provide a TRULY safe and healthy environment to our kids n women.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Obviously liberal losers have an issue with it. Afterall have to think about the rights of the rapist as well.

As I said, if it makes people like you feel any better then why not? It wouldn’t work though. Meanwhile you can just enjoy your liberal this and liberal that. Sure it’s a good feeling. Straw man can definitely makes you feel that way.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Have to agree with you 100 percent. What about 4 witnesses criteria for rape conviction . What do you think of that law

That law can be supported by DNA based evidence. It should help to crack the case and render the justice.

 

[Syed1]

As I said, if it makes people like you feel any better then why not? It wouldn’t work though. Meanwhile you can just enjoy your liberal this and liberal that. Sure it’s a good feeling. Straw man can definitely makes you feel that way.

You are one to talk, you are issuing blanket statements of "it won't work"


What won't work? Will it prevent a repeat offender from having the means to do it again? A big fat YES.

 

[Robert]

Obviously liberal losers have an issue with it. Afterall have to think about the rights of the rapist as well.

Of course. Human rights are sacrosanct. Without them we are no better than beasts and the only thing that applies is force.

Treat an offender like an animal, and you get an animal.

Treat them humanely and they will start to become more human.

This is the basis of rehabilitative justice.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

You are one to talk, you are issuing blanket statements of "it won't work"


What won't work? Will it prevent a repeat offender from having the means to do it again? A big fat YES.

Just listen to yourself. You’re telling us that in order for someone to not reoffend, that person should be castrated, if not killed. That’s just medieval ** that doesn’t even make sense when there are other alternatives, including prolonged sentencing and continuous vigilance.

 

[sweep_shot]

Just listen to yourself. You’re telling us that in order for someone to not reoffend, that person should be castrated, if not killed. That’s just medieval ** that doesn’t even make sense when there are other alternatives, including prolonged sentencing and continuous vigilance.

Prolonged sentencing costs money. Death sentence seems like an appropriate punishment.

Remember, this monster has ruined a woman's life. So, it is logical that his life gets ruined also.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Prolonged sentencing costs money. Death sentence seems like an appropriate punishment.

Remember, this monster has ruined a woman's life. So, it is logical that his life gets ruined also.

I think death sentences costs far more money because of the fanfare and security costs involve in it. Plus, they also have the risks of on the spot violence. Not to forget the legal costs of petitions and appeals run i the courts that would ultimately end up creating backlogs.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Of course. Human rights are sacrosanct. Without them we are no better than beasts and the only thing that applies is force.

Treat an offender like an animal, and you get an animal.

Treat them humanely and they will start to become more human.

This is the basis of rehabilitative justice.

Even though, the "Rehabilitative justice" works in some very minor and exception cases but on a larger scale, various interviews with the inmates indicated that the prison only makes you a stronger and resilient monster; HOWEVER, this is not the point.

IMO, this route does NOT provide justice to the victim and/or his loved ones.
May be your case is different but many people won't like the sick monster being "rehabbed" after he has raped their kid or daughter. And rightly so. Such human emotions are normal and just.

You may be different. God forbids if your child gets victim of such a crime, you may be ready to send the rapist or murder to rehab - but not everyone should follow what suits your mindset in this case.

If someone has stolen something, or scammed money, or has taken a bribe etc then yes, it's a different case. They can be rehabbed. But if a sick monster has raped and killed a child then no, it's an altogether different story. The victims need justice. THEY should have the say whether they want the monster to be rehabbed (like you may want) or brought under the weight of law (which should be capital punishment) that other people may seek.
This is the right way to render the justice to both parties, IMO.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think death sentences costs far more money because of the fanfare and security costs involve in it. Plus, they also have the risks of on the spot violence. Not to forget the legal costs of petitions and appeals run i the courts that would ultimately end up creating backlogs.

In that case, process needs to be shorter.

If this monster is found guilty, get a rope and hang him. No need for anything more once guilt is established beyond any doubt.

 

[Syed1]

Just listen to yourself. You’re telling us that in order for someone to not reoffend, that person should be castrated, if not killed. That’s just medieval ** that doesn’t even make sense when there are other alternatives, including prolonged sentencing and continuous vigilance.

Awwww looking at you fighting the good fight, clamouring for the rights of the rapist. Ask the dad who had to bury his 5 year old what punishment he would like for the rapist. Left it to liberals like you the rapist would get a few community service hours and mandatory anger management classes.


You are the one talking absolute crap.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Just listen to yourself. You’re telling us that in order for someone to not reoffend, that person should be castrated, if not killed. That’s just medieval ** that doesn’t even make sense when there are other alternatives, including prolonged sentencing and continuous vigilance.

Read above. It's the same logic.
Rehabilitative justice is not fair towards the victims in cases of child rape and murder.

May be you are OK to send the monster into a prolonged sentencing and continuous vigilance and Rehab route but not everyone should be forced to follow this.

Personally, I don't want my tax dollars to be used to provide three hot meals a day, temp controlled room, shower facilities, internet, gym, library, health care and security to a sick monster who has raped or murdered mine or someone else's child. May be you are OK with it if that happens to you? If yes, good for you.

And here is the other MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR issue.
Notice that in recent decades when population growth has been explosive, new cities are built, new hospitals are built, new business are build, expansion everywhere - but one thing that does not get build is the NEW PRISON FACILITIES.

Show me, how many new prison facilities are built in your city or country in regards to the population growth? The answer will most likely be ZERO or a very low number!

The reason? There is an astronomical cost to run the prisons and no monetary return on the investment. In NYC, it costs $140,000 a year to house JUST ONE inmate.

We live in a capitalistic driven economy. Every single govt in the entire world is short on funds to run the existing prison facilities. Jails are crammed. Tax money collected from the hard working citizens is not enough to run the prisons so the jail term punishments are getting shorter and shorter.
Many rapists and pedophiles are out, in as little as six months. Many pedophiles in New Zealand were given a 6 months "house arrest" sentence. The underlying reason? simply because there isn't enough funds to run the prisons and house an over grown population of criminals.

When population grows, it does not have ONLY law abiding citizens. It will also have criminals too. This is part of human societies.
And there isn't enough tax money collected to make the ends meet.

It's not fair to actually punish the hard working tax payer and reward the convicted rapists and murders.

 

[msaaim89]

Awwww looking at you fighting the good fight, clamouring for the rights of the rapist. Ask the dad who had to bury his 5 year old what punishment he would like for the rapist. Left it to liberals like you the rapist would get a few community service hours and mandatory anger management classes.


You are the one talking absolute crap.

Is there any point debating? He obviously cares far more about criminals than victims.

 

[Robert]

Even though, the "Rehabilitative justice" works in some very minor and exception cases but on a larger scale, various interviews with the inmates indicated that the prison only makes you a stronger and resilient monster; HOWEVER, this is not the point.

IMO, this route does NOT provide justice to the victim and/or his loved ones.
May be your case is different but many people won't like the sick monster being "rehabbed" after he has raped their kid or daughter. And rightly so. Such human emotions are normal and just.

You may be different. God forbids if your child gets victim of such a crime, you may be ready to send the rapist or murder to rehab - but not everyone should follow what suits your mindset in this case.

If someone has stolen something, or scammed money, or has taken a bribe etc then yes, it's a different case. They can be rehabbed. But if a sick monster has raped and killed a child then no, it's an altogether different story. The victims need justice. THEY should have the say whether they want the monster to be rehabbed (like you may want) or brought under the weight of law (which should be capital punishment) that other people may seek.
This is the right way to render the justice to both parties, IMO.

What you are describing is the Bronze Age concept of vengeance, not justice; anger, not reason.

Much of the world is more enlightened now. Consider the Scandinavian countries which put much effort into education and citizenship, where there is very low crime, and where offenders are treated humanely and rehabilitated.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

IK is a *****, world has moved on from midevil law and order model. Who even talk about such primitive punishments in 21C ??

Why more danda is default answer for Pakistanis?? - You need to build culture of self respect and dignity. You don’t need to lower your self to the level of criminals. Rest of the world has moved away from violent punishments as a means of deterrence. This has many benefits, you want to build a modern society not a midevil one.

Even the rest of the world dealt out medieval punishments when they still lived in a medieval environment. First Pakistanis must relearn that they are collectively responsible when law and order goes out of the window, on this I am in full agreement with IK.

When Pakistan can show they have reached the maturity and sense of law and order as we have in the west, then we can start applying more humane standards over there. They must go through the same process we British did, and believe me, some of our punishments from a century ago would make hanging look merciful.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

What you are describing is the Bronze Age concept of vengeance, not justice; anger, not reason.

Much of the world is more enlightened now. Consider the Scandinavian countries which put much effort into education and citizenship, where there is very low crime, and where offenders are treated humanely and rehabilitated.

Yes, I already addressed this point in post #101

You are not dealing with the problem in a Scandinavian country. And copying them for this matter won't be an effective way to deal with the problem.

This is a totally different population demographics. Unlike Scandinavian countries, the resources are EXTREMELY LIMITED and CORRUPTION IS SUPER HIGH.

It won't change Pakistan into becoming a Sweden overnight if we take the route of "Rehab justice", ESPECIALLY with rapists and pedophiles.

Many first world countries have tried this and it didn't seem to work - including the Great Britain, and United States.

Matter of fact, no matter what you do, you can't turn a country like India or Pakistan's social norms become in the likes of Switzerland or Norway when it comes to rendering justice to rapists and pedophiles and killers. So lets stick with realities and ground facts.

We need to protect the kids and women from getting their lives destroyed.

And in support of your point, as I already stated, one of the solutions is, that the victim and/or their loved ones should have the first say whether they want the sick monster to be rehabbed or brought under the weight of law?

This is the fairest way possible, IMO.

Victim and their loved ones deserve full justice! This is a point that you can't seem to grab.

However, as I stated, God forbids if this happens to your child, then you are free follow the Scandinavian route and let the monster being rehabbed.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

When Pakistan can show they have reached the maturity and sense of law and order as we have in the west, then we can start applying more humane standards over there. They must go through the same process we British did,,,,,,

If you look at the rape statistics and registered sexual offenders in United States - even THAT ^^^ route didn't seem to work.

Here is a tiny example.
This is a 12 mile radius of a small City in United States that pin points the location of registered pedophiles and sex offenders.
Tell me, how did the "humane treatment" actually work?

Almost every single city in the USA presents this kind of picture.

 

[moghul]

in 80s three men raped and killed a young boy in Lahore. As per news the culprits were caught and hanged in front of thousands of people at jail road Lahore. There was some drop in those kind of crimes after that.

 

[Robert]

Yes, I already addressed this point in post #101

You are not dealing with the problem in a Scandinavian country. And copying them for this matter won't be an effective way to deal with the problem.

This is a totally different population demographics. Unlike Scandinavian countries, the resources are EXTREMELY LIMITED and CORRUPTION IS SUPER HIGH.

It won't change Pakistan into becoming a Sweden overnight if we take the route of "Rehab justice", ESPECIALLY with rapists and pedophiles.

Many first world countries have tried this and it didn't seem to work - including the Great Britain, and United States.

Matter of fact, no matter what you do, you can't turn a country like India or Pakistan's social norms become in the likes of Switzerland or Norway when it comes to rendering justice to rapists and pedophiles and killers. So lets stick with realities and ground facts.

We need to protect the kids and women from getting their lives destroyed.

And in support of your point, as I already stated, one of the solutions is, that the victim and/or their loved ones should have the first say whether they want the sick monster to be rehabbed or brought under the weight of law?

This is the fairest way possible, IMO.

Victim and their loved ones deserve full justice! This is a point that you can't seem to grab.

However, as I stated, God forbids if this happens to your child, then you are free follow the Scandinavian route and let the monster being rehabbed.

Eh? GB has rehabilitative justice. It doesn’t work as well as in Scandinavia because we don’t spend as much on it.

We don’t allow victims to have an influence on sentencing because we don’t apply revenge, in accordance with New Testament principles - Papal Edict of 1215 CE - which are part of our culture’s source code.

I don’t consider my fellow humans to be monsters except, perhaps the likes of Stalin, Pol Pot and Breivik. Most offenders are people who have themselves been brutalised.

 

[Nadeemp]

Eh? GB has rehabilitative justice. It doesn’t work as well as in Scandinavia because we don’t spend as much on it.

We don’t allow victims to have an influence on sentencing because we don’t apply revenge, in accordance with New Testament principles - Papal Edict of 1215 CE - which are part of our culture’s source code.

I don’t consider my fellow humans to be monsters except, perhaps the likes of Stalin, Pol Pot and Breivik. Most offenders are people who have themselves been brutalised.

Agreed
You have to start somewhere. We have to stop with this medieval mindset. Will not change overnight. But there has to be start.

 

[sweep_shot]

Agreed
You have to start somewhere. We have to stop with this medieval mindset. Will not change overnight. But there has to be start.

So, if someone harms your loved one, will you forgive the person and act like nothing happened?

This is rape we are talking about. Not some small crime.

Hanging is not medieval. Medieval would've been something like impalement.

 

[Nadeemp]

So, if someone harms your loved one, will you forgive the person and act like nothing happened?

This is rape we are talking about. Not some small crime.

Hanging is not medieval. Medieval would've been something like impalement.

They do their time . Whatever that is. I dont believe in capital punishment. I am being real. PLenty of people who think like that.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Eh? GB has rehabilitative justice. It doesn’t work as well as in Scandinavia because we don’t spend as much on it.

We don’t allow victims to have an influence on sentencing because we don’t apply revenge, in accordance with New Testament principles - Papal Edict of 1215 CE - which are part of our culture’s source code.

I don’t consider my fellow humans to be monsters except, perhaps the likes of Stalin, Pol Pot and Breivik. Most offenders are people who have themselves been brutalised.

You call it "revenge" - others call it JUSTICE!

That's where the difference in opinion sits

The definition of a "monster" to you may also not be the same for others.

A person who rapes and kills a child, is a sick monster in my opinion.
I don't want my tax dollars spent on his rehab. You can give your life earnings in donations to rehab such sickos, and I don't have an issue with it.

 

[sweep_shot]

They do their time . Whatever that is. I dont believe in capital punishment. I am being real. PLenty of people who think like that.

I am sorry but you are not being practical.

Capital punishment is needed sometimes.

 

[Nadeemp]

This is a great documentary on the Norweign prison system. In it they also interview parents or loved ones who lost someone due to Anders Breiviks mass murderous actions. This gentleman ( who lost soneome) gives the most moving and thoughtful argument against death penalty for this mass murderer. In the end he says i dont want to live in a society where you cant forgive. If i can find it i will post this persons 2-3 minute argument.

i know it does not now. But you have to head in that direction to become a better society .

 

[sweep_shot]

This is a great documentary on the Norweign prison system. In it they also interview parents or loved ones who lost someone due to Anders Breiviks mass murderous actions. This gentleman ( who lost soneome) gives the most moving and thoughtful argument against death penalty for this mass murderer. In the end he says i dont want to live in a society where you cant forgive. If i can find it i will post this persons 2-3 minute argument.

Well, good for that gentleman but not everyone will probably forgive.

You have to understand and respect that.

Not all crimes can be forgiven. Rape is one of those crimes. It can ruin a person psychologically. There has to be some consequences.

 

[Nadeemp]

Hence the difference in societies.

 

[Bigboii]

If you look at the rape statistics and registered sexual offenders in United States - even THAT ^^^ route didn't seem to work.

Here is a tiny example.
This is a 12 mile radius of a small City in United States that pin points the location of registered pedophiles and sex offenders.
Tell me, how did the "humane treatment" actually work?

Almost every single city in the USA presents this kind of picture.

Most of the time these sex offenders are people who have had sex with 16,17 y/o but they are 19 or 20

So laws regarding the"sex offenders" are tough in a sense that lots of people are lumped together even though their offenses are very different from each other

So this picture doesn't paint the full picture

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Most of the time these sex offenders are people who have had sex with 16,17 y/o but they are 19 or 20

So laws regarding the"sex offenders" are tough in a sense that lots of people are lumped together even though their offenses are very different from each other

So this picture doesn't paint the full picture

This picture presents the criminals who have broken the sex offender law of the land they live in. Whether they are lumped or not, is not even the question here.

And the point is; how well have the "humane treatment" of sex offenders and pedophiles has played it's role to get this picture?

Are you saying that, if we had capital punishment for convicted rapists and pedophiles, then this pic would look even worse, and we had even more sickos living among our communities than what this photo depicts?

 

[Nadeemp]

a very good read on dawn regarding all this:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1579450/m...s-for-public-hangings-are-part-of-the-problem

 

[Abdullah719]

More than this, we need to abolish the “two finger test” that is used by the police to determine if a rape has happened or not.

I don’t need to explain what the “two finger test” is. Aqalmand ke liye ishara kaafi.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1579243

 

[Robert]

This picture presents the criminals who have broken the sex offender law of the land they live in. Whether they are lumped or not, is not even the question here.

And the point is; how well have the "humane treatment" of sex offenders and pedophiles has played it's role to get this picture?

Are you saying that, if we had capital punishment for convicted rapists and pedophiles, then this pic would look even worse, and we had even more sickos living among our communities than what this photo depicts?

You’re putting the cart before the horse. You seem to suggest that rehabilitation doesn’t work because there are a lot of registered sex offenders in this area. What the map doesn’t show is how many of these offenders don’t reoffend.

Practically everyone in the US has sex before the age of 18 anyway, so the law says they are all sex offenders. You’d be executing nearly every American.

 

[Robert]

This is a great documentary on the Norweign prison system. In it they also interview parents or loved ones who lost someone due to Anders Breiviks mass murderous actions. This gentleman ( who lost soneome) gives the most moving and thoughtful argument against death penalty for this mass murderer. In the end he says i dont want to live in a society where you cant forgive. If i can find it i will post this persons 2-3 minute argument.

i know it does not now. But you have to head in that direction to become a better society .

That gentleman who lost someone is a great man. He refuses to seek revenge on one of the very worst of people.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: The federal cabinet on Tuesday endorsed Prime Minister Imran Khan’s view about public hanging of rapists and vowed that the government would not accept any pressure from the West.

“If Islam guides us to give punishment to rapists publicly then there must be some wisdom in it,” Infor*mation Minister Shibli Faraz said at a post-cabinet meeting press conference in response to a question about the recent horrible incident of rape of a woman on the motorway near Lahore.

The cabinet meeting was presided over by Prime Minister Khan.

“The prime minister firmly believes in Islamic laws and Sunnah of Holy Prophet (peace be upon him),” Mr Faraz said.

The minister said the government would not accept any pressure from the international community and would make legislation regarding public hanging of rapists and chemical and physical castration of habitual sex abusers. “We will not tolerate any pressure from the west, east, north and south,” he declared.

“Rapists must be hanged publicly so that they become an example for others,” the minister said, adding that exemplary punishment should be awarded to the culprits of the motorway incident.

In an interview with a private TV channel on Monday, Prime Minister Khan had called for public hanging of rapists and said that habitual sex offenders should be physically or chemically castrated so that they could not commit such crimes in future. However, he said, hanging of a rapist publicly might be opposed internationally as many countries carried out castration of sex abusers.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1579946/cabinet-endorses-pms-view-about-public-hanging-of-rapists

 

[msaaim89]

That gentleman who lost someone is a great man. He refuses to seek revenge on one of the very worst of people.

In your opinion Robert!

Side note, getting a bit more strict in the UK but doesn't go far enough, still way too lenient.

Serious criminals to serve two-thirds of jail term in justice shake-up
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54167908
Sexual and violent offenders will serve at least two-thirds of jail terms, rather than half, as part of changes to the criminal justice system in England and Wales.

An overhaul of sentencing laws is being formally announced on Wednesday by the Justice Secretary Robert Buckland.

Whole-life orders will also be extended to 18 to 20-year-olds convicted of terrorism causing mass loss of life.

Mr Buckland said it marked the end of "complex and confusing" laws.

He said the changes to sentencing would ensure the most serious violent and sexual offenders "get the prison time they deserve".

More help is being promised for those with mental health and addiction issues.

It comes after the criminal justice system ground to a halt during the coronavirus pandemic.

There are steep backlogs and delays for victims and defendants, who are facing trial dates years ahead.

Among the new interventions proposed in a White Paper published on Wednesday are:

the option of a new whole life tariff for killers under the age of 21
whole life orders for adults who murder children - which was a pledge by the Conservatives at last year's general election.
raising the sentencing threshold for serious offences including a "third strike" for burglaries and "two strikes" for knife possession
new powers to halt the automatic release of offenders who pose a terrorist threat or are a danger to the public
reducing the opportunities for over-18s who committed murder as a child to have their minimum jail term reviewed
using GPS tags to track burglars, robbers and thieves when they are released from prison
deploying so-called "sobriety tags" to tackle alcohol-related crime
And offenders sentenced to between four and seven years in prison for serious crimes such as rape and manslaughter will no longer be automatically considered for release halfway through their jail terms.

While tougher sentences are among the measures proposed, changes to criminal records to reduce the time offenders have to declare past crimes to employers are also included.

Mr Buckland told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the aim of the changes was to "increase public confidence in the system and ensure the protection of the public as well".

He added: "I have been completely committed to sentencing reform for years [and] this is my opportunity to make a difference."

A focus on supporting ex-offenders will see custodial sentences become "spent" after 12 months without reoffending, with convictions of up to four years no longer disclosed after a further four crime-free years.

Sentences of more than four years will not automatically be disclosed to employers after a further seven-year period of rehabilitation is completed.

It comes after the criminal justice system ground to a halt during the coronavirus pandemic.

There are steep backlogs and delays for victims and defendants, who are facing trial dates years ahead.

Among the new interventions proposed in a White Paper published on Wednesday are:

the option of a new whole life tariff for killers under the age of 21
whole life orders for adults who murder children - which was a pledge by the Conservatives at last year's general election.
raising the sentencing threshold for serious offences including a "third strike" for burglaries and "two strikes" for knife possession
new powers to halt the automatic release of offenders who pose a terrorist threat or are a danger to the public
reducing the opportunities for over-18s who committed murder as a child to have their minimum jail term reviewed
using GPS tags to track burglars, robbers and thieves when they are released from prison
deploying so-called "sobriety tags" to tackle alcohol-related crime
And offenders sentenced to between four and seven years in prison for serious crimes such as rape and manslaughter will no longer be automatically considered for release halfway through their jail terms.

While tougher sentences are among the measures proposed, changes to criminal records to reduce the time offenders have to declare past crimes to employers are also included.

Mr Buckland told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the aim of the changes was to "increase public confidence in the system and ensure the protection of the public as well".

He added: "I have been completely committed to sentencing reform for years [and] this is my opportunity to make a difference."

A focus on supporting ex-offenders will see custodial sentences become "spent" after 12 months without reoffending, with convictions of up to four years no longer disclosed after a further four crime-free years.

Sentences of more than four years will not automatically be disclosed to employers after a further seven-year period of rehabilitation is completed.

 

[Robert]

In your opinion Robert!

Side note, getting a bit more strict in the UK but doesn't go far enough, still way too lenient.

Serious criminals to serve two-thirds of jail term in justice shake-up
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54167908
Sexual and violent offenders will serve at least two-thirds of jail terms, rather than half, as part of changes to the criminal justice system in England and Wales.

An overhaul of sentencing laws is being formally announced on Wednesday by the Justice Secretary Robert Buckland.

Whole-life orders will also be extended to 18 to 20-year-olds convicted of terrorism causing mass loss of life.

Mr Buckland said it marked the end of "complex and confusing" laws.

He said the changes to sentencing would ensure the most serious violent and sexual offenders "get the prison time they deserve".

More help is being promised for those with mental health and addiction issues.

It comes after the criminal justice system ground to a halt during the coronavirus pandemic.

There are steep backlogs and delays for victims and defendants, who are facing trial dates years ahead.

Among the new interventions proposed in a White Paper published on Wednesday are:

the option of a new whole life tariff for killers under the age of 21
whole life orders for adults who murder children - which was a pledge by the Conservatives at last year's general election.
raising the sentencing threshold for serious offences including a "third strike" for burglaries and "two strikes" for knife possession
new powers to halt the automatic release of offenders who pose a terrorist threat or are a danger to the public
reducing the opportunities for over-18s who committed murder as a child to have their minimum jail term reviewed
using GPS tags to track burglars, robbers and thieves when they are released from prison
deploying so-called "sobriety tags" to tackle alcohol-related crime
And offenders sentenced to between four and seven years in prison for serious crimes such as rape and manslaughter will no longer be automatically considered for release halfway through their jail terms.

While tougher sentences are among the measures proposed, changes to criminal records to reduce the time offenders have to declare past crimes to employers are also included.

Mr Buckland told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the aim of the changes was to "increase public confidence in the system and ensure the protection of the public as well".

He added: "I have been completely committed to sentencing reform for years [and] this is my opportunity to make a difference."

A focus on supporting ex-offenders will see custodial sentences become "spent" after 12 months without reoffending, with convictions of up to four years no longer disclosed after a further four crime-free years.

Sentences of more than four years will not automatically be disclosed to employers after a further seven-year period of rehabilitation is completed.

It comes after the criminal justice system ground to a halt during the coronavirus pandemic.

There are steep backlogs and delays for victims and defendants, who are facing trial dates years ahead.

Among the new interventions proposed in a White Paper published on Wednesday are:

the option of a new whole life tariff for killers under the age of 21
whole life orders for adults who murder children - which was a pledge by the Conservatives at last year's general election.
raising the sentencing threshold for serious offences including a "third strike" for burglaries and "two strikes" for knife possession
new powers to halt the automatic release of offenders who pose a terrorist threat or are a danger to the public
reducing the opportunities for over-18s who committed murder as a child to have their minimum jail term reviewed
using GPS tags to track burglars, robbers and thieves when they are released from prison
deploying so-called "sobriety tags" to tackle alcohol-related crime
And offenders sentenced to between four and seven years in prison for serious crimes such as rape and manslaughter will no longer be automatically considered for release halfway through their jail terms.

While tougher sentences are among the measures proposed, changes to criminal records to reduce the time offenders have to declare past crimes to employers are also included.

Mr Buckland told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the aim of the changes was to "increase public confidence in the system and ensure the protection of the public as well".

He added: "I have been completely committed to sentencing reform for years [and] this is my opportunity to make a difference."

A focus on supporting ex-offenders will see custodial sentences become "spent" after 12 months without reoffending, with convictions of up to four years no longer disclosed after a further four crime-free years.

Sentences of more than four years will not automatically be disclosed to employers after a further seven-year period of rehabilitation is completed.

Obviously in my opinion. Stating that something is my opinion does it invalidate my opinion. Try and change my opinion with philosophical debate.

I have noticed that the more I forgive and the less anger I hold onto, the happier my life becomes. Clearly the Norwegian gentleman agrees.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Obviously in my opinion. Stating that something is my opinion does it invalidate my opinion. Try and change my opinion with philosophical debate.

I have noticed that the more I forgive and the less anger I hold onto, the happier my life becomes. Clearly the Norwegian gentleman agrees.

This works for you fair enough. For others, they may get healed and get closure when there is retribution. Anyway you don't have skin in the game here so easy to signal your virtues.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

You’re putting the cart before the horse. You seem to suggest that rehabilitation doesn’t work because there are a lot of registered sex offenders in this area. What the map doesn’t show is how many of these offenders don’t reoffend.

Practically everyone in the US has sex before the age of 18 anyway, so the law says they are all sex offenders. You’d be executing nearly every American.

Not at all.
Please read my post 101 again to get the general idea as to what my opinion is?

Human psychology when you deal with masses.

And DETERRENCE is the key word here. It has ALWAYS worked when you deal with human psychology in masses. I gave the examples of Stop Sign and paying Taxes.

Now ask yourself, what would this map look like if there was death penalty in place for sex offenders and child rapes and pedophiles? IMO, it would look A LOT less dense.

I do not throw away your idea of rehab for convicted criminals BUT Rape, murder and pedophilia should NOT automatically qualify for rehab justice. These three are special cases and must be dealt with accordingly.

For other petty crimes? be my guest and rehab them, and I don't have an issue.
We need clean and safe environment. By looking at that map, not many decent families would like to raise their family with small kids in such an area.

 

[msaaim89]

Obviously in my opinion. Stating that something is my opinion does it invalidate my opinion. Try and change my opinion with philosophical debate.

I have noticed that the more I forgive and the less anger I hold onto, the happier my life becomes. Clearly the Norwegian gentleman agrees.

Is there any point Rob? We're not budging on our opinions and just end up going round in circles.

You are more forgiving and believe criminals deserve a second chance. I am not. Some crimes are too horrific so I don't believe criminal should be with us any longer.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan has announced that the government will soon introduce a three-tier legislation providing for registration of sex offenders, exemplary punishment for rape and child abuse and effective policing.

“Such incidents ruin the lives of victims and their families also have to suffer,” said Mr Khan, referring to the heart-wrenching incident on the Lahore-Sialkot motorway on Sept 9. He pointed out that the main suspect in the recent gang-rape case was a history-sheeter, explaining that global data indicated that such criminals were repeat offenders and therefore maintaining their data was important.

The prime minister expressed these views while addressing a joint sitting of parliament after passage of a number of Financial Action Task Force-related bills on Wednesday.

Imran accuses opposition of blackmailing govt over FATF-related bills

Mr Khan said the legislation being prepared would not only provide for exemplary punishment for rape and child abuse offences but would also contain provisions for registration of sex offenders and effective policing. He admitted that only a very small percentage of such cases were reported to police in the country. Even after the arrest of offenders in rape and child abuse cases, their conviction was not easy in absence of proper prosecution and concrete evidence, he pointed out. For this reason, he said, the bill being prepared would also provide for witness protection.

ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD

The prime minister in his speech also accused the opposition parties of trying to blackmail the government over the Financial Action Task Force-related legislation.

After the passage of a few more FATF-related bills, Mr Khan said the opposition had demanded amendment to 34 of the total 38 clauses of the National Accountability Bureau law, which if accepted would mean burying the anti-graft watchdog.

He said the opposition sought to exclude money laundering from the NAB law under the cover of FATF-related legislation in order to hide corruption of their leaders who owned precious foreign assets. “Why they are scared if they have not laundered ill-gotten money,” Mr Khan remarked.

According to a report, Mr Khan said, 10 billion dollars were laundered from Pakistan each year. He said Hyde Park-1 was one of the most expensive properties in London. Likewise, Mayfair was among most-prized land in London. He said the other opposition party leader also owned properties in the name of his front-men. However, he said, former president Asif Zardari had a property in New York in his name and a case in this regard was in process.

ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD

He also criticised the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz and Pakistan Peoples Party governments for five-fold increase in external debts during their 10-year rule. In attempt to justify the borrowings in last two years, the prime minister said what other option was left for the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) government to run the country’s affairs when “half of the amount collected by us through taxes went in debt servicing and Rs2,600 billion of the Rs4,000 billion revenue generated in the second year would be spent to pay loan installments”.

Mr Khan said when the government talked of corruption, the opposition clamoured terming it political victimisation. “Are they protecting public interest? They want to save the stolen money,” he said.

He explained that Pakistan had not been grey-listed by the FATF during the present government term, but it had inherited this status. He said democratic opposition had an important role to play in protecting the rights of the masses.

“The opposition’s attitude on FATF legislation has confirmed my views about their leadership. The interests of their leaders and Pakistan are in contrast with each other,” he remarked.

ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD

He elaborated that Pakistan’s placement on the FATF’s grey list would simply mean sanctions, which would crash the economy. Therefore, he said, the bills to meet FATF requirement were in the country’s interest but the opposition gave preference to personal interest.

The prime minister said the government was ready to extend any kind of cooperation to the opposition in the interest of the country and democracy, but ruled out any compromise on corruption.

 

[Thomaskutty]

When Pakistan can show they have reached the maturity and sense of law and order as we have in the west, then we can start applying more humane standards over there.

Is this sense of maturity in a population measureable? You can't.

In some ways, your argument is akin to saying third world countries shouldn't have democracy because the people there aren't intelligent enough to figure out who is a good leader. Or maybe that is what you believe.

 

[Thomaskutty]

In the end he says i dont want to live in a society where you cant forgive. If i can find it i will post this persons 2-3 minute argument.

i know it does not now. But you have to head in that direction to become a better society .

He is correct, anybody who exhibits genuine remorse for his crimes should be a given a second chance at life, even a heinous crime like rape and murder. Compassion is the bedrock of humanity otherwise we are just animals.

For rape I would advocate a 10 yr term in prison and then he be released. Castration is nonsense.

 

[sweep_shot]

He is correct, anybody who exhibits genuine remorse for his crimes should be a given a second chance at life, even a heinous crime like rape and murder. Compassion is the bedrock of humanity otherwise we are just animals.

For rape I would advocate a 10 yr term in prison and then he be released. Castration is nonsense.

I wonder if you will say the same thing if (God forbids) your loved one gets harmed like this.

Unless victim and her family forgive the rapist, rapist should pay a heavy price. That's just fair and logical.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Is this sense of maturity in a population measureable? You can't.

In some ways, your argument is akin to saying third world countries shouldn't have democracy because the people there aren't intelligent enough to figure out who is a good leader. Or maybe that is what you believe.

The answers to your questions were in the parts of my quote which you carefully left out.

 

[Robert]

This works for you fair enough. For others, they may get healed and get closure when there is retribution. Anyway you don't have skin in the game here so easy to signal your virtues.

You are signalling what you consider your own virtue, so please stop using these silly phrases.

How do you know I have no skin in this game? That nobody close to me has been raped or molested? That I have not been? Aren’t those rather unsafe assumptions on your part?

 

[CricketCartoons]

You are signalling what you consider your own virtue, so please stop using these silly phrases.

How do you know I have no skin in this game? That nobody close to me has been raped or molested? That I have not been? Aren’t those rather unsafe assumptions on your part?

By skin in the game, I meant you are not a pakistani, and what pakistanis decide for themselves doesn't affect you.

You do accept that others may get closure when there is revenge and retribution and that is as valid as your way of forgiving and moving on.

 

[Thomaskutty]

The answers to your questions were in the parts of my quote which you carefully left out.

Are you saying pakistan can only be mature about rape after going through a centuries of medieval punishment like Britain did ..?

 

[Thomaskutty]

Unless victim and her family forgive the rapist, rapist should pay a heavy price. That's just fair and logical.

10 years of someone's life is a heavy price.

 

[sweep_shot]

10 years of someone's life is a heavy price.

Absolutely not. 10 years is nothing for a rape.

 

[shaz619]

The British prison system can be redemptive. Some released offenders do not reoffend, including some paedophiles. That’s not Disney, that’s fact.

No it can't for crimes like these am afraid, you can't simply guarantee that these people will be reformed / have different wiring when they come out.

 

[yasir]

One of the best commentary I have seen on this subject. Junaid is getting more versatile and expanding his reach. I like his work in this case!!

https://youtu.be/SHjv3-9B6ys

 

[Robert]

No it can't for crimes like these am afraid, you can't simply guarantee that these people will be reformed / have different wiring when they come out.

Well, in that case every offender of every type has to be jailed for life. Caught with a quarter ounce of cannabis? Whole-life tariff. You can’t guarantee that such a person won’t just buy more illegal drugs. Got into a bar fight? Whole life tariff. People can’t change after all.

 

[MenInG]

Men convicted of rape will face surgical castration and anyone who rapes a child under 14 will face the death penalty, under a new law introduced in Nigeria.

The governor of the country's Kaduna state, Nasir Ahmad El-Rufai, said the "drastic penalties are required to help further protect children from a serious crime".

Nigeria has seen a huge increase in reports of rape during the months of coronavirus restrictions.

Women's groups have called for tougher action against rapists and sex offenders, including the death penalty.

Gender activist and rape survivor Dorothy Njemanze has said she would like to see the law adopted in other Nigerian states.

"In retrospect, if everyone that raped me was put through that [surgical castration] other people that they might have also raped would have been spared the calamity," she said.

Kaduna's new law is the strictest against rape in Nigeria, Africa's most-populous country.

Under the state's newly amended penal code, a person convicted of raping someone over age 14 will also face life imprisonment.

The previous law carried a maximum penalty of 21 years' imprisonment for the rape of an adult and life imprisonment for the rape of a child.

The new law also states that women convicted of raping a child under 14 will have their fallopian tubes removed.

https://news.sky.com/story/rapists-...ated-under-new-law-in-nigerian-state-12074477

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Are you saying pakistan can only be mature about rape after going through a centuries of medieval punishment like Britain did ..?

No what I am saying is that Pakistan needs to be allowed to evolve at it's own pace same as Britain did. That won't take centuries obviously, as the world is interconnected now, and all countries can learn from each other and adopt codes and values which they feel improve on their own.

Let me make it a little simpler for you with an analogy. As an Indian you will have heard of the Sentinelese Islanders who are basically savages who have had no contact with the outside world. If you approach them and try to convince them to buy some Levi jeans for RS3000 or offer to give their children polio injections, they will probably shove a spear through your gut before you have finished the sentence. Does that mean they are being unreasonable and should have taken your offer in good faith?

Do you see where I am coming from now or should I use a different example?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Well, in that case every offender of every type has to be jailed for life. Caught with a quarter ounce of cannabis? Whole-life tariff. You can’t guarantee that such a person won’t just buy more illegal drugs. Got into a bar fight? Whole life tariff. People can’t change after all.

Doing cannabis as a repeating offender will not ruin someone else's life for good. And so won't be a bar fight.
Didn't I tell you, RAPE, MURDER and PEDOPHILIA should be treated as an exception, and not something that should automatically qualify for "Rehab Justice".
This a totally different category that brutally effects INNOCENT people - who deserve JUSTICE!

How hard is it to understand?

 

[sweep_shot]

Doing cannabis as a repeating offender will not ruin someone else's life for good. And so won't be a bar fight.
Didn't I tell you, RAPE, MURDER and PEDOPHILIA should be treated as an exception, and not something that should automatically qualify for "Rehab Justice".
This a totally different category that brutally effects INNOCENT people - who deserve JUSTICE!

How hard is it to understand?

Agreed.

Rape can destroy a person psychologically. It can cause lifelong trauma. It is why whoever does it deserves to suffer heavy consequence.

 

[Robert]

Doing cannabis as a repeating offender will not ruin someone else's life for good. And so won't be a bar fight.
Didn't I tell you, RAPE, MURDER and PEDOPHILIA should be treated as an exception, and not something that should automatically qualify for "Rehab Justice".
This a totally different category that brutally effects INNOCENT people - who deserve JUSTICE!

How hard is it to understand?

You misunderstand. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] believes that people who commit certain offences cannot reform. I am exploring that. How does he know? What are the recidivism rates?

 

[Nadeemp]

I am surprised nobody has brought up the fact that in pakistan most women are confined to the boundaries of their home. In many places like Peshawar you can walk for hours and not see any women. If in pakistan women were out and about like India there would be more cases of rape/harassment .

 

[shaz619]

You misunderstand. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] believes that people who commit certain offences cannot reform. I am exploring that. How does he know? What are the recidivism rates?

It takes a certain character to get involved in gang rape or sexually assaulting little children / babies, I think we must be living in a fantasy world to presume the system would ensure these people will do time and return to society as normal people / not pose any threat. Even in prison, no one sits with the people who do rape; all the rapists have no friends and are left alone, even in crime there are ethics; thou shall not rape, sexually assault babies etc I can't fathom how you're unable to differentiate between the types of crimes people commit and what ultimately drives the individual towards those crimes, those who do gang rapes, sexually assault kids and serial killers etc are wired as such that you can't ensure they will be reformed after doing time, you can't guarantee the public's safety and that includes both our family's.

I am prepare to concede that some people of capable of change when it comes to certain things or crimes, but it takes a special type of sick individual to lose all morality when it comes to crimes like in the OP so I don't believe that these individuals can ever change who they are. And when it comes to capital punishment, am not advocating it in the sense of appeasing the media or public when something like this happens, I'd like for a process which removes all doubt before the individual is punished permanently, society would be better off and it also mitigates the crime happening far more frequently.

 

[Robert]

It takes a certain character to get involved in gang rape or sexually assaulting little children / babies, I think we must be living in a fantasy world to presume the system would ensure these people will do time and return to society as normal people / not pose any threat. Even in prison, no one sits with the people who do rape; all the rapists have no friends and are left alone, even in crime there are ethics; thou shall not rape, sexually assault babies etc I can't fathom how you're unable to differentiate between the types of crimes people commit and what ultimately drives the individual towards those crimes, those who do gang rapes, sexually assault kids and serial killers etc are wired as such that you can't ensure they will be reformed after doing time, you can't guarantee the public's safety and that includes both our family's.

I am prepare to concede that some people of capable of change when it comes to certain things or crimes, but it takes a special type of sick individual to lose all morality when it comes to crimes like in the OP so I don't believe that these individuals can ever change who they are. And when it comes to capital punishment, am not advocating it in the sense of appeasing the media or public when something like this happens, I'd like for a process which removes all doubt before the individual is punished permanently, society would be better off and it also mitigates the crime happening far more frequently.

Morality is taught as part of culture, it is not natural law.

Many paedophile offenders were themselves molested as children. I heard tell of a teenager who was imprisoned for molesting his kid brother. He told the police that his father had done it to him and he thought this was how men were supposed to behave. Such a person is redeemable - they just have to be re-educated.

Others can at least be scared into behaving themselves.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

In many places like Peshawar you can walk for hours and not see any women .

I am from Peshawar - and I can certify that this is a lie to a moronic extent. You lost all your credibility for taking shelter under such a laughable nonsense.