[VIDEO] "They were conducting bomb blasts in Pak & we were getting it done in India" : Gen Musharraf

[MenInG]

[VIDEO] "They were conducting bomb blasts in Pak & we were getting it done in India" : Gen Musharraf

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Adding Hindustan Times article with their interpretation - so read with care!

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Former Pakistan president General Pervez Musharraf has in an interview said that the Masood Azhar-led Jaish-e-Mohammad was instrumental in carrying out attacks on Indian soil during his tenure as head of the state.

In a telephonic interview given to Pakistan-based journalist Nadeem Malik, Musharraf welcomed the action being taken against the Jaish-e-Mohammad and said that it was the same organisation that had carried out two assassination attempts on him when he was president of Pakistan. A 2-minute clip of the interview was put out on Twitter on Malik’s handle on March 5, 2019.

“This is a good move. I have always said that the JeM is a terrorist organisation and they only had carried out a suicide attack in an attempt to assassinate me. Action should be taken against them. I am happy the government is taking a tough stand against them,” he said. During his tenure as president, Musharraf had survived two assassination attempts.

A suicide bomber had attempted to assassinate General Pervez Musharraf in December 2003 at Jhanda Chichi in Rawalpindi. Recalling the incident, Musharraf said that it was fortunate that he wasn’t killed in the attempt.

“The attacker pressed the button a few seconds too late and I had crossed the bridge by that time,” Musharraf said, adding that the action against the JeM was a right action and that it should have been done earlier.

Responding to a question as to why he himself had not taken any action against the Jaish leadership and the organisation when he was in power, Musharraf suggested that Pakistan’s intelligence agencies were using the Jaish to carry out bombings in India.

“Those were different times. Our intelligence men were involved in a ***-for-tat between India and Pakistan. They were conducting bomb blasts in Pakistan and we were getting it done there (in India). This was continuing at that time and amid all of this, no major action was taken against the Jaish. And I also did not insist,” Musharraf said.

On Tuesday, the Imran Khan-led Pakistan government ordered the detention of terrorist Masood Azhar’s brother Abdul Rauf Asghar and 43 others linked to banned outfits in the country.

The order for their detention was issued on Tuesday after a high-level meeting to review the National Action Plan (NAP).

The Pakistan government’s move comes barely 10 days after an Indian air force strike on a Jaish-e-Mohammad training facility at Balakot in Pakistan on February 26.

Pakistan is on a tight deadline with the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) nudging it to stop terror funding and to act against the terror organisations operating on its soil. In case Pakistan fails to keep its promises, it might find itself being moved from the ‘grey’ list to the ‘black’ list, making it even more difficult for Pakistan to get funding from international organisations such as the World Bank.

The Indian Air Force strike at Balakot had come barely 13 days after a suicide bombing at Pulwama had killed 40 CRPF jawans.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Those were different times. Our intelligence men were involved in a tiit-for-tat between India and Pakistan. They were conducting bomb blasts in Pakistan and we were getting it done there (in India). This was continuing at that time and amid all of this, no major action was taken against the Jaish. And I also did not insist,” Musharraf said.

Let's see how Indian media spins this.

Musharraf is adding fuel to the fire

These people are so irresponsible

 

[Sachin136]

Let's see how Indian media spins this.

Musharraf is adding fuel to the fire

These people are so irresponsible

What is there to spin? A former president and general is admitting that they orchestrated terrorist attacks in India with the help of organizations like the JeM.

Now he also claims that India was doing the same thing in Pakistan, but that doesn't have much backing it up.

 

[rhony]

This man was and still is the worst thing to have happened to Pakistan.

 

[Lonewarrior]

What is there to spin? A former president and general is admitting that they orchestrated terrorist attacks in India with the help of organizations like the JeM.

Now he also claims that India was doing the same thing in Pakistan, but that doesn't have much backing it up.

Samjhota express blast , mehran base attack , marriot bombing in karachi (where french Engineers gt attacked,who were helping us for Agosta Submarines) and Islamabad etc etc .

 

[MenInG]

What is there to spin? A former president and general is admitting that they orchestrated terrorist attacks in India with the help of organizations like the JeM.

Now he also claims that India was doing the same thing in Pakistan, but that doesn't have much backing it up.

Did you miss the part about how India was doing the same in Pakistan?

 

[Napa]

This man was and still is the worst thing to have happened to Pakistan.

I would say Zia-ul-Haq was worse. At least Musharraf did not hang any elected civilian head of the government, something which did a terrible long-term damage to democracy.

 

[Madplayer]

What is there to spin? A former president and general is admitting that they orchestrated terrorist attacks in India with the help of organizations like the JeM.

Now he also claims that India was doing the same thing in Pakistan, but that doesn't have much backing it up.

If you believe his one claim, you just have to believe the other two. You cant pick and choose as you wish. As simple as that.

 

[Greenstorm]

Only issue is, they were doing it more frequently than us. Musharraf was a disaster for our country.

 

[Sachin136]

Did you miss the part about how India was doing the same in Pakistan?

If you believe his one claim, you just have to believe the other two. You cant pick and choose as you wish. As simple as that.

Surely you understand that a former Pakistani president and general has much more credibility (and no reason to say something negative) when talking about Pakistan? So if he is saying something that puts Pakistan in bad light, of course you would believe what he says.

For example, if Trump says that he colluded with Russia, you would have to believe him. But if he says Obama also colluded with Russia, you wouldn't believe him without more evidence.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

What an utter embarrassment this guy has turned out to be.

 

[Napa]

Only issue is, they were doing it more frequently than us. Musharraf was a disaster for our country.

There is value in speaking the truth. The way forward for India and Pakistan is more honesty and less duplicity.

If both sides speak the truth, then we have a better chance for peace. And with peace will come security and development.

Continuing the existing situation of denying the truth may seem a smart thing to do, but it does not produce good results in the long-term.

 

[Madplayer]

Surely you understand that a former Pakistani president and general has much more credibility (and no reason to say something negative) when talking about Pakistan? So if he is saying something that puts Pakistan in bad light, of course you would believe what he says.

For example, if Trump says that he colluded with Russia, you would have to believe him. But if he says Obama also colluded with Russia, you wouldn't believe him without more evidence.

I am not sure if you follow simple logic here. He said two things at the same time. You cant think he is telling the truth about one thing and lying about another unless you have a bias.

 

[Bewal Express]

What is there to spin? A former president and general is admitting that they orchestrated terrorist attacks in India with the help of organizations like the JeM.

Now he also claims that India was doing the same thing in Pakistan, but that doesn't have much backing it up.

Yadav was caught red handed

 

[KingKhanWC]

He's making no sense at all.

They tried to assasinate him but he still used them for proxy war

 

[rhony]

I would say Zia-ul-Haq was worse. At least Musharraf did not hang any elected civilian head of the government, something which did a terrible long-term damage to democracy.

Musharraf usurped a civilian government and sent Nawaz to exile. Benazir's death was suspicious. That set Pakistan's democracy back decades. The kargil war was seen as backstabbing by Indians after the peace initiatives. He went into bed with the Americans on the war on terror and destroyed Pakistan. He supported jihadi elements. In this day and age, a liberal Pakistan that follows moderate Islam should have been an example and a beacon of the religion in the world. Instead they are perceived as a home to all of these religious nuts. Look at womens rights and every aspect of a regular Pakistani and compare that to Saudi or Iran and you will understand what I'm saying.

 

[Napa]

Musharraf usurped a civilian government and sent Nawaz to exile. Benazir's death was suspicious. That set Pakistan's democracy back decades. The kargil war was seen as backstabbing by Indians after the peace initiatives. He went into bed with the Americans on the war on terror and destroyed Pakistan. He supported jihadi elements. In this day and age, a liberal Pakistan that follows moderate Islam should have been an example and a beacon of the religion in the world. Instead they are perceived as a home to all of these religious nuts. Look at womens rights and every aspect of a regular Pakistani and compare that to Saudi or Iran and you will understand what I'm saying.

Yes, yes, yes... everything you say about Musharraf is true. My point was simply that sending the elected civilian head of the government to exile is better than hanging him. Zia also did all that you accuse Musharraf of doing, and worse.

Zia's deeds have faded in our memory due to the passage of time, but he was the one who created the jihadis to initially fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. After that they jihadis took on a life of their own.

 

[Zhasan]

I would say Zia-ul-Haq was worse. At least Musharraf did not hang any elected civilian head of the government, something which did a terrible long-term damage to democracy.

Bhutto had his political opponents assassinated. Ran a gulag where he imprisoned other political party members and created a secret police. He deserved to be hanged.

 

[Napa]

Bhutto had his political opponents assassinated. He deserved to be hanged.

In India for many decades, the political violence between CPM and Congress and later CPM and Trinamool resulted in hundreds of deaths. Does it mean that the leaders of these parties deserve to be hanged?

In the recent Pakistani elections, more than a 100 died. Does it mean that the leaders of PMLN and PTI deserve to be hanged?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/more-100-people-killed-pakistan-election-violence-n891391

Wars are started by generals in which thousands die. Should they be hanged?

I would say, we can make a case that everyone who is responsible for multiple deaths is a good candidate for the gallows. However, the problem is with selective enforcement. You can't hang one when it favors you and give the others a pass. Bhutto was selected because the ruling powers at that time thought they would benefit, and not because of any equal application of the law to all.

 

[Zhasan]

^^Yes if they are directly responsible for killings, as was the case with Bhutto. There was direct documented evidence of him ordering the assassination in his own writing.

 

[troodon]

He's making no sense at all.

They tried to assasinate him but he still used them for proxy war

He might have used them initially to attack India and later those Jaish Terrorists might have turned against him. Snakes do what Snakes do. They do not care about the owner.

 

[troodon]

Thank you Musharraf for saying what was obvious to most Indians for a long long time.

Now shame on India too if they have done such things in Pakistan.

The 2 countries need to apologize to each other, draw a permanent border in Kashmir and never ever fight another battle or war again. Both countries have tons of problems they are facing. They should concentrate on them first and forget the enmity for ever.

 

[Napa]

^^Yes if they are directly responsible for killings, as was the case with Bhutto. There was direct documented evidence of him ordering the assassination in his own writing.

The presence or absence of "documented evidence" depends entirely upon the wishes of those who are in power.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am not sure if you follow simple logic here. He said two things at the same time. You cant think he is telling the truth about one thing and lying about another unless you have a bias.

A former Pakistani head of state making statements about things that pakistan did during his tenure has a lot of credibility. But he blaming another nation for doing something has little credibility unless he has evidence.

 

[Bilal_103]

A former Pakistani head of state making statements about things that pakistan did during his tenure has a lot of credibility. But he blaming another nation for doing something has little credibility unless he has evidence.

You either agree with all he has to say or none. You can't pick and choose according to how you want to believe it. Obviously him being a head of state, he must know alot of things that we don't.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He might have used them initially to attack India and later those Jaish Terrorists might have turned against him. Snakes do what Snakes do. They do not care about the owner.

2003 he was targetted but was in power until 2008.

Indians and Pakistanis both need to take this mans words with a pinch of salt. He is old and now senile, lost his marbles.

 

[gazza619]

Can somebody shut this idiot’s mouth.

What old age does to people!

 

[Theo_14]

This man was and still is the worst thing to have happened to Pakistan.

Probably the best thing that happened for Pakistan in a very long time. Underrated imo.

 

[PakLFC]

Why did he not say all this before? The old man just wants to remain in the news one way or another.

 

[sshakir411]

The ti.t-for-tat statement is true. The scores will never be settled. It’s time to move on. Unfortunately one or the other will always want to avenge the last event...it’s a never ending cycle.

 

[JBFire]

You should watch this video where so many top Pakistani politicians including ISI head admitting of carrying out terrorist attack on India. Btw even now PM IK too! Also they dont blame India for carrying out any attacks on Pakistan.

https://youtu.be/aiK5R7yICF4

 

[Runner Up]

Didn't he say something similar in India when he was the President? I remember him saying "We were doing the same what Raw was doing in Pakistan"

 

[DHONI183]

[VIDEO] "They were conducting bomb blasts in Pak & we were getting it done in India" : Gen Musharraf

I don´t think that Musharraf even realises the magnitude of making such a statements amidst the ongoing tensions. The Indian media must be having a field day with his words, and rightly so. Quite an irresponsible statement on his part. What he said about RAW stays an allegation in this case, but what he says from our own part is an admission on his part. Poor stuff from him really.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You either agree with all he has to say or none. You can't pick and choose according to how you want to believe it. Obviously him being a head of state, he must know alot of things that we don't.

You know the difference between confession and allegation?

What he says about his regime is confession. What he says about others is allegation.

 

[IMMY69]

You know the difference between confession and allegation?

What he says about his regime is confession. What he says about others is allegation.

The longer you remain in denial the greater the chances of an all out war.
All you do is mimic what your government and press feed you. There is absolutely no objective thought going in to it...

Before you start claiming the same of Pakistanis, their biggest defence is the democratic distruction of its corrupt political elite, in the face of biased propaganda peddled by almost all of the press and TV.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don´t think that Musharraf even realises the magnitude of making such a statements amidst the ongoing tensions. The Indian media must be having a field day with his words, and rightly so. Quite an irresponsible statement on his part. What he said about RAW stays an allegation in this case, but what he says from our own part is an admission on his part. Poor stuff from him really.

Yes he is too honest for his own good. He thought he was doing a good thing by laying his cards on the table, but if your adversary doesn't have the same good intentions they will use that honesty against you and claim it is an admission of guilt while never taking responsibility for their own filthy tricks.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Didn't he say something similar in India when he was the President? I remember him saying "We were doing the same what Raw was doing in Pakistan"

He did, I think it was on some Indian talk show. The Indian interviewer was stunned and didn't know how to react.

 

[Fineline]

^^Yes if they are directly responsible for killings, as was the case with Bhutto. There was direct documented evidence of him ordering the assassination in his own writing.

If Bhutto had actually got people assassinated,it would have been quite easy for Zia to get him hanged. He would not have had to involve him in a murder case which he wasn't responsible for which is considered a judicial murder till date admitted by the then chief justice who gave the verdict!Zia will always remain the worst thing that happened to Pakistan no matter how hard some people try to twist facts!In fact All of the dictators Ayub,Yahya,Zia and Musharaf have been equally bad if not worse.And none of them ever got punished for their sins since our courts donot have the nerves to do so!

 

[Sachin136]

Yes he is too honest for his own good. He thought he was doing a good thing by laying his cards on the table, but if your adversary doesn't have the same good intentions they will use that honesty against you and claim it is an admission of guilt while never taking responsibility for their own filthy tricks.

Seriously? Admitting that you conduct terrorist attacks in other countries is honestly? And the "other side" should do nothing with such an admission?

Pretty disgusting, but I suppose this is just your way to cope.

 

[Pak Warrior]

The mans has spoken his part, we can say hes old and senile, irrelevant now so he just says things to stay important....but that would be what our neighbors would do. He spoke the truth according to himself, we have to take it as it is and deal with it. If any indian will get mad and act like India is squeaky clean, "no evidence that india raw did and still does terrorist bombings in pakistan" then they are being naive and self-righteous. His statement is one side of the same coin, if you will start getting up in arms over his statement about what Pakistan did, then you must accept the other statement about india.

 

[Savak]

Don't understand why people are getting worked up over what he said. Everyone knows what the Raw did with the Mukti Bahini in East Pakistan, everyone know's Raw's activities in Afghanistan, Balochistan. Why shouldn't the country of India get a taste of its own medicine for a change?

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

The only good thing about Musharraf is that he set the military back for civilian institutions in Pakistan with his dunce moves.

He's the clown behind Kargil.

 

[Balthazar]

I am shocked to hear that. NOT.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Seriously? Admitting that you conduct terrorist attacks in other countries is honestly? And the "other side" should do nothing with such an admission?

Pretty disgusting, but I suppose this is just your way to cope.

I think you are missing the point, Musharraf was trying in his own clumsy way of getting past the proxy war which both Pakistan and India were conducting. If you know anything about that period, Pakistan was attempting to thaw relations with India including lifting of bans on Bollywood - even the film Veer Zara which showed Pakistan military in a poor light was allowed.

Musharraf was basically saying in a nutshell, look we are both doing covert operations in each others countries, let's admit it and put an end to it. You can't fix something if you don't acknowledge it. Now unless you are wilfully ignorant and want to pretend that India did nothing of the sort, you would understand the previous post better.

 

[Mamoon]

Brilliant by Musharraf.

About time Pakistan owns up to its actions and accepts the role that it has played in propagating terrorism and protecting militants. We can no longer live in denial and sweep everything under the carpet as Indian/Western propaganda. It is time for us to do some serious accountability and recognise that we have a serious problem.

Pakistan's panic in denying the existence of JeM has been quite amusing. Our DG ISPR as flatly denied their existence. However, it appears that he did not rehearse his fictional script with the civilian heads who have seemingly spilled the beans.

Our Foreign Minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, the man who sits cross-legged with a turban on his head and collects money from his serfs, and the man who demolished the wall of a university in Multan for his son's wedding, admitted the presence of JeM.

Similarly, Sheikh Rasheed, the greatest turncoat politician in history of Pakistan also read from the same script as Qureshi. Now, Musharraf's statement has sent a new wave of panic within our establishment, and they are finding it increasingly difficult to cover up their blunders.

Musharraf has always been a courageous and a patriotic man. In his early tenure, whatever he did was for the betterment of the country only. He made some poor decisions, but his intentions were should not be doubted. However, in due time, he was intoxicated by power and compromised his values to maintain his rule. The NRO of course was the biggest mistake of his tenure.

Nevertheless, we need to thank him for the Lal Masjid Operation. Granted that there was considerable external pressure, but he still did what needed to be done. Unfortunately, he was not allowed to go all out and should have killed Mullah Abdul Aziz.

Today, he has nothing to lose. He has serious health issues and may not have long to live. He gains nothing by playing Pakistan's dirty game, and revealing the truth about our nation's legacy as a safe haven for terrorism may well be his final act of patriotism.

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] I don't think he has been instructed to lift the lid; I believe it is his conscience. When you are in a position and in situation that he is in, you no longer fear anything. He is on his way out and he knows it - he is not going to hold back.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] agreed with your analysis but your 2nd para looks odd to me the way you deacribed Shah Mahmood. I see a bit of jealousy and frustration, sorry to say but thats what i feel.And we have to curb these things if we want to make agood image of our country, forget about India we need it.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] agreed with your analysis but your 2nd para looks odd to me the way you deacribed Shah Mahmood. I see a bit of jealousy and frustration, sorry to say but thats what i feel.And we have to curb these things if we want to make agood image of our country, forget about India we need it.

What jealously? He is a PPP lota and his inhumane treatment of his serfs in Multan is not a secret. As caretake of the shrine of Bahauddin Zakariya, he collects money from the poor and acts like the king of Multan. He demolished a wall of the Bahuddin Zakariya University to accommodate guests for his son's wedding, and in spite of the protests by the students and the staff, nothing happened.

He does and can get away with anything in Multan. Such is his power and influence.

 

[DHONI183]

[VIDEO] "They were conducting bomb blasts in Pak & we were getting it done in India" : Gen Musharraf

Yes he is too honest for his own good. He thought he was doing a good thing by laying his cards on the table, but if your adversary doesn't have the same good intentions they will use that honesty against you and claim it is an admission of guilt while never taking responsibility for their own filthy tricks.

From a retired army chief and a former president of the country, I expected a better sense of judgment than this 'honesty'.

 

[Waq]

Damned if you do and damned if you don’t in terms of honesty.

On one hand, he should personally be given credit for being upfront about the proxy war between the two countries.

On the other hand, this is not a personal confession and Musharraf is a former statesman who needs to be diplomatic at all times and do what is best for his nation and not his conscience. India and the rest of the world can spin this as this was not a joint country statement!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

From a retired army chief and a former president of the country, I expected a better sense of judgment than this 'honesty'.

Agreed. He should have opened back channels to negotiate a bilateral withdrawal from hostilities rather than go on Indian tv and talk about covert ops. There is a reason why all countries have sensitive information kept classified for a long period of time. He put too much faith in Indian reciprocity which was insane given the history.

 

[Braveheart]

Didn't he say something similar in India when he was the President? I remember him saying "We were doing the same what Raw was doing in Pakistan"

Yes he did, I recall a hysterical Muslim guy in the audience screaming at him during a TV interview Q&A in India following the Mumbai attacks.
Nothing new in this as he only confirms that the Indians are just as bad if not worse, as we can now prove with the captured 'Singing canary' Terrorist Jadav's comprehensive evidence.

 

[sshakir411]

Lmao people acting like this is a surprise. Things will continue like this until India realizes they really can’t bully Pakistan like Afghanistan and Bangladesh. For the size of India I must say they are total sissies

 

[Anwar_194]

If any of what he have said came as a surprise to you then you have a long way to go. India on main stream media said it openly about getting attacks done in Pak. He said nothing wrong there. Still the most brave soldier and the best person to lead the nation with up front. He was the only person who said 3 things wrong in Pak and later it was proved, 1. Laal Masjid, 2. GEO news and 3. Iftikhar Chaudary. The only thing he did wrong was to let all three go to live longer including Nawaz Shareef. If he had taken a decision there to kill them all it would have been a good for Pakistan.

 

[Zhasan]

Story of Mushy's half baked, dollar short, day late, wholly unfulfilled and largely bombastic life...

Somebody tell this fake commando, that for every supposed bomb blast in India, they were doing at least 10 in Pakistan.

 

[Greenstorm]

Story of Mushy's half baked, dollar short, day late, wholly unfulfilled and largely bombastic life...

Somebody tell this fake commando, that for every supposed bomb blast in India, they were doing at least 10 in Pakistan.

Yes, all the while calling us terrorists.

 

[pakistani pride]

Lmao people acting like this is a surprise. Things will continue like this until India realizes they really can’t bully Pakistan like Afghanistan and Bangladesh. For the size of India I must say they are total sissies

LOL India knows and realizes they cant bully Pakistan and they know that for decades.

Dont know what your on about.

 

[CricVet]

General's choice of words is very unwisely. Patriotism should not cost the foreign relationship. Even kids know these days that most top secret agencies are involved in terrorism - unfortunately. Iss hammam main sub nangay hain. We are so far behind India in the world of diplomacy. No one walks in straight line.

 

[Zhasan]

If Bhutto had actually got people assassinated,it would have been quite easy for Zia to get him hanged. He would not have had to involve him in a murder case which he wasn't responsible for which is considered a judicial murder till date admitted by the then chief justice who gave the verdict!Zia will always remain the worst thing that happened to Pakistan no matter how hard some people try to twist facts!In fact All of the dictators Ayub,Yahya,Zia and Musharaf have been equally bad if not worse.And none of them ever got punished for their sins since our courts donot have the nerves to do so!

Pray tell who assassinated Kasuri's father and who ordered the killing of Dr. Nazir and many other political opponents of Bhutto. Why did three Brigadiers of Army refused to shoot at protesters towards the end of Bhutto's reign of terror.

Former supreme court judge can say all he wants post facto, it has no legal standing. Fact remains Bhutto openly threatened members of the newly elected parliament from attending the session called by Awami League in Dhaka, Kasuri defied that threat and attended, Bhutto in his own writing wrote "eliminate him", Kasuri was attacked, assassin's bullet missed him but not his father, who died. The leader of the assassins and all his subordinates confessed that they were taking order directly from Bhutto.

You are entitled to your flawed and misguided opinions, but you can't pass as fact that Bhutto's government didn't set Pakistan back in every aspects of governance and social order, from economic melt down to corruption to political thuggery.

Zia didn't nationalize the industries, nor start the proxy war in Afghanistan, nor the earlier equally ill-conceived operation Gibraltar, yes that was your beloved Bhutto's brain child, nor did he create FSF to intimidate/torture/kill political opponents, nor did he start Islamization, again that was your beloved Bhutto, nor the mass recruitment of incompetent and useless jiyalas into state institution rendering them corrupt, inefficient and completely ineffective to this day, nor did he orchestrate the final blow to the unified Pakistan by declaring "Idhr hum udhr tum".

These are the facts of Bhutto crimes against Pakistan and he by far was worst thing that happened to the country, though his daughter and son in law as well as that clown Mushy give him bit of a run for his money for this ignominious title.