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- Joined
- Mar 30, 2016
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Don't think he will be mainstream in international cricket again. This guy seems finished.
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With respect, this sums up the bind that Umar Akmal now finds himself in.When will this Umar Akmal debate end . Before he was dropped from the test side he scored 2 50s in his last 26 test innings . So at the time he was dropped it was no gross injustice .
It was a long time ago however , but since then he has lost his way. He has disappointed in white ball cricket and not really shown any improvement.
Sticking to red ball cricket , he has performed well in domestic cricket recently, but their are other players who have performed consistently well and for a longer period of time who have still not been given a chance or just given an odd test here and there .
Akmal will now need to wait his turn .
His most recent outings for Pakistan resulted in 2 golden ducks and in his 5 one dayers against Australia in which Rizwan and Haris got 100’s he failed to score even a single 50. So let’s not get to hopeful on him .
With respect, this sums up the bind that Umar Akmal now finds himself in.
He was dropped forever from the Test team at the age of 21 years and 3 months. He had an average of 35.82 even though he only ever played a single innings in Asia.
You say that he had 2 fifties in his final 26 Test innings. Sure, but Azhar Ali only has 1 fifty in his last 17 Test innings outside Asia, and Haris Sohail has 0 Test fifties in his entire career of 8 innings outside Asia.
More to the point, Umar Akmal's final 3 Tests - all outside Asia - produced scores of 33, 47, 56, 30 and 15.
So Umar Akmal was thrown out of Test cricket at the age of 21 with an average of 35.82, compiled almost entirely outside Asia.
His cousin Babar Azam took until his 21st Test, at Cape Town in January 2019, to reach Umar Akmal's average. But he was given 21 Tests to do so, and was persisted with until he was 3 years older.
So it's pretty obvious that Umar Akmal was prematurely discarded from the Test team. And yes, he was immature - most 21 year olds are, and he wasted his career drifting aimlessly for years, while Younis, Misbah, Azhar and Shafiq were untouchable as the middle-order, even to players like Fawad Alam who were grinding out the runs.
But the argument was always "we know he is more gifted than any other Pakistani - apart from his cousin Babar - but he needs to go away, grow up and show that he can knuckle down and play long red ball innings."
Yes, it took him years. But he has now been Man of the Match in back-to-back Quaid-e-Azam Finals, and he is scoring the big runs he was told to against the red ball.
And now we are told that he has to go back and join an imaginary queue, and wait his turn?
What kind of nonsense is this? International sport differs from club sport in that any country only has a finite amount of players with a very high level of ability.
Umar Akmal already averaged 36 in Tests in SENA even before he matured. And now he has to get in a queue behind players of far less ability? He's 29, and clearly at the peak of his red ball career.
Yet Pakistan appears to have elected to implement a "Take Your Turn" system, designed to ensure that either
1. Like Fawad Alam, you only get your turn when you are already in age-related decline, or
2. Like Abid Ali, you only get your turn in the final 2 years before age dulls your powers, rather than being able to serve your country for longer.
It's mad. I don't care what happened when he last played ODI's. Umar Akmal is clearly Pakistan's second best red ball player behind Babar Azam, and this endless invention of excuses for omitting him is just crazy!
With respect, this sums up the bind that Umar Akmal now finds himself in.
He was dropped forever from the Test team at the age of 21 years and 3 months. He had an average of 35.82 even though he only ever played a single innings in Asia.
You say that he had 2 fifties in his final 26 Test innings. Sure, but Azhar Ali only has 1 fifty in his last 17 Test innings outside Asia, and Haris Sohail has 0 Test fifties in his entire career of 8 innings outside Asia.
More to the point, Umar Akmal's final 3 Tests - all outside Asia - produced scores of 33, 47, 56, 30 and 15.
So Umar Akmal was thrown out of Test cricket at the age of 21 with an average of 35.82, compiled almost entirely outside Asia.
His cousin Babar Azam took until his 21st Test, at Cape Town in January 2019, to reach Umar Akmal's average. But he was given 21 Tests to do so, and was persisted with until he was 3 years older.
So it's pretty obvious that Umar Akmal was prematurely discarded from the Test team. And yes, he was immature - most 21 year olds are, and he wasted his career drifting aimlessly for years, while Younis, Misbah, Azhar and Shafiq were untouchable as the middle-order, even to players like Fawad Alam who were grinding out the runs.
But the argument was always "we know he is more gifted than any other Pakistani - apart from his cousin Babar - but he needs to go away, grow up and show that he can knuckle down and play long red ball innings."
Yes, it took him years. But he has now been Man of the Match in back-to-back Quaid-e-Azam Finals, and he is scoring the big runs he was told to against the red ball.
And now we are told that he has to go back and join an imaginary queue, and wait his turn?
What kind of nonsense is this? International sport differs from club sport in that any country only has a finite amount of players with a very high level of ability.
Umar Akmal already averaged 36 in Tests in SENA even before he matured. And now he has to get in a queue behind players of far less ability? He's 29, and clearly at the peak of his red ball career.
Yet Pakistan appears to have elected to implement a "Take Your Turn" system, designed to ensure that either
1. Like Fawad Alam, you only get your turn when you are already in age-related decline, or
2. Like Abid Ali, you only get your turn in the final 2 years before age dulls your powers, rather than being able to serve your country for longer.
It's mad. I don't care what happened when he last played ODI's. Umar Akmal is clearly Pakistan's second best red ball player behind Babar Azam, and this endless invention of excuses for omitting him is just crazy!
I reiterate what I wrote earlier...……Babar displayed his quality, temperament and ablity to score big in ODI's. It was only a matter of time before he scored in tests.
Umar Akmal's brainless shot selections in LOI, meant that he was not a correct fit in Test match cricket.
Fair play to him for scoring well, and he might get a recall, yet there was a reason why Babar was persisted with.
I reiterate what I wrote earlier...……
Umar Akmal outperformed Misbah, Younis, Shafiq and Azhar in Tests in terms of the percentage of innings that he scored at least 40.
Umar Akmal outperformed Misbah, Younis, Shafiq and Azhar in Tests in terms of how rarely he was dismissed for less than 20.
The error was in dumping him at the age of 21, when Misbah, Azhar and Shafiq failed more often, and succeeded less often.
I reiterate what I wrote earlier...……
Umar Akmal outperformed Misbah, Younis, Shafiq and Azhar in Tests in terms of the percentage of innings that he scored at least 40.
Umar Akmal outperformed Misbah, Younis, Shafiq and Azhar in Tests in terms of how rarely he was dismissed for less than 20.
The error was in dumping him at the age of 21, when Misbah, Azhar and Shafiq failed more often, and succeeded less often.
Scoring 40 for me is far more important than scoring hundreds.whilst i agree with you that being dropped at 21 and not getting a look in again is unfair your criteria to justify it r strange, scoring 40 but not converting it is pretty useless in test cricket
to add to that he wasn't dropped because of his scores alone, it was the way he kept getting out, trying to pull and top edging spinners, wacking wide balls to third man etc, added to which there was a video of him (leaked) where he stated his game wasn't meant for test cricket and he really only cared abt odis.
To be honest I think he was treated harshly, my advice to him would be to keep his down and keep performing , one innings won’t get him back into Pakistan team , but is next year he is leading runs scorer, then he will get a chance
I reiterate what I wrote earlier...……
Umar Akmal outperformed Misbah, Younis, Shafiq and Azhar in Tests in terms of the percentage of innings that he scored at least 40.
Umar Akmal outperformed Misbah, Younis, Shafiq and Azhar in Tests in terms of how rarely he was dismissed for less than 20.
The error was in dumping him at the age of 21, when Misbah, Azhar and Shafiq failed more often, and succeeded less often.
Scoring 40 for me is far more important than scoring hundreds.
Consider the run of 12 Tests in South Africa, England, New Zealand and Australia from 2012 to 2017.
This is precisely the period in which Umar Akmal should have been playing, aged 22 to 27.
All four of Pakistan's middle-order batsmen had the same problem. They would make 1 century per series, and not even reach 50 in any other innings.
The consequence of this was 2 wins in London, and 10 defeats.
Batsmen need to put partnerships together. If you come in at 80-1 and score 40, the earliest you're going to get out is around 160-2.
If you reliably score 40 in most innings, then you are always moving 80-1 to 160-2, or 160-2 to 240-3.
Far too often, Azhar, Shafiq, Misbah and Younis outside Asia moved 40-1 to 45-2. Or they moved 160-4 into 170-5.
This is why Alastair Cook retired before he could be dropped. He had reached that Misbah/Younis/Azhar/Shafiq stage of 1 big innings per series, largely preserving his average but dropping his team into trouble in 5 innings out of every 6.
We actually agree that Umar Akmal was immature and foolish. And he's a bit like Kevin Pietersen or David Warner: he's an uneducated idiot who will always make silly choices.
But he has actually matured as a red-ball batsman. He has scored an innings in the QEA Final that Azhar Ali and Babar Azam were incapable of playing. And he was MoM in the last QEA Final too.
We all know that Azhar Ali will never score runs in SENA ever again, and that Misbah should have dropped him rather than making him the captain.
A number of us - myself included - are eating humble pie about Haris Sohail too. I realise now that he will never ever score runs in SENA, and never was capable of it.
Pakistan would be strengthened enormously by the replacement of Azhar Ali or of Haris Sohail by Umar Akmal in the Test team.
Can we just give him 6 test innings again and put this discussion to bed once and for all. He cant certainly do any worse than Haris Sohail or our legendary 38 averaging Asad Shafiq.
If he does come back though it will be important to allow him to play the way he wants to play. I feel he has tried to put too much thinking into his game in the past which hasnt helped him.
With respect, this sums up the bind that Umar Akmal now finds himself in.
He was dropped forever from the Test team at the age of 21 years and 3 months. He had an average of 35.82 even though he only ever played a single innings in Asia.
You say that he had 2 fifties in his final 26 Test innings. Sure, but Azhar Ali only has 1 fifty in his last 17 Test innings outside Asia, and Haris Sohail has 0 Test fifties in his entire career of 8 innings outside Asia.
More to the point, Umar Akmal's final 3 Tests - all outside Asia - produced scores of 33, 47, 56, 30 and 15.
So Umar Akmal was thrown out of Test cricket at the age of 21 with an average of 35.82, compiled almost entirely outside Asia.
His cousin Babar Azam took until his 21st Test, at Cape Town in January 2019, to reach Umar Akmal's average. But he was given 21 Tests to do so, and was persisted with until he was 3 years older.
So it's pretty obvious that Umar Akmal was prematurely discarded from the Test team. And yes, he was immature - most 21 year olds are, and he wasted his career drifting aimlessly for years, while Younis, Misbah, Azhar and Shafiq were untouchable as the middle-order, even to players like Fawad Alam who were grinding out the runs.
But the argument was always "we know he is more gifted than any other Pakistani - apart from his cousin Babar - but he needs to go away, grow up and show that he can knuckle down and play long red ball innings."
Yes, it took him years. But he has now been Man of the Match in back-to-back Quaid-e-Azam Finals, and he is scoring the big runs he was told to against the red ball.
And now we are told that he has to go back and join an imaginary queue, and wait his turn?
What kind of nonsense is this? International sport differs from club sport in that any country only has a finite amount of players with a very high level of ability.
Umar Akmal already averaged 36 in Tests in SENA even before he matured. And now he has to get in a queue behind players of far less ability? He's 29, and clearly at the peak of his red ball career.
Yet Pakistan appears to have elected to implement a "Take Your Turn" system, designed to ensure that either
1. Like Fawad Alam, you only get your turn when you are already in age-related decline, or
2. Like Abid Ali, you only get your turn in the final 2 years before age dulls your powers, rather than being able to serve your country for longer.
It's mad. I don't care what happened when he last played ODI's. Umar Akmal is clearly Pakistan's second best red ball player behind Babar Azam, and this endless invention of excuses for omitting him is just crazy!
When you say he averages 35 outside Asia and pointing to his last few scores you conveniently forget they were against Zimbabwe and West Indies.
What really tells you the state of this lads test career was that if you take out his debut test where he had beginners luck, his career Test average drops to the 20s.
Also. His only innings of note on the England tour was in the very last innings of the tour when the spot fixing scandal had broken out, no one was taking the game seriously and he hacked his way to a 75+ I believe.
Will love to see him a permanent member of all 3 teams for the next 4 years. That could really help our team. I am sure batting with Babar will also help him quite a lot.
Should be our number 3 in T20's, number 4 in ODI's and number 5 in Tests. Just one place behind Babar.
If Misbah had not mistreated him in 2010 he may have become a great player.
Misbah had a test average of 47. Younis 50. Akmal has a first class average of 43!
So whatever way you look at it he was never going to exceed them in test cricket . Azhar Ali was a also a solid player for Pakistan and even after his decline his test average is similar to Akmals first class average.
The only player he could potentially have done better than is Assad shafiq, and that is a big “if”.
Akmal after 60 tests would still be averaging 35 or even less. His career trajectory in international cricket suggests nothing different .
Ask him to show commitment to getting back in team by doing the following:
- Lose at least 30 pounds (probably more like 50 these days)
- Zip his lips and stops criticizing anyone
- Stop coming up with conspiracy theories
- No Green Lipstick or any lip gloss period
- Start playing a bit straight (no leg side hoicks) and show that he wants to play long innings by putting a price on his wicket
- Disown his elder brother Mr. ButterCup Hands
- No more of those rap videos
- Quit Twitter/social media
You're setting very tough criteria for him
Ask him to show commitment to getting back in team by doing the following:
- Lose at least 30 pounds (probably more like 50 these days)
- Zip his lips and stops criticizing anyone
- Stop coming up with conspiracy theories
- No Green Lipstick or any lip gloss period
- Start playing a bit straight (no leg side hoicks) and show that he wants to play long innings by putting a price on his wicket
- Disown his elder brother Mr. ButterCup Hands
- No more of those rap videos
- Quit Twitter/social media
Is that not fair to us, for making us go through the torture of wtaching this fool make even a bigger fool of himself all over the tv/social media etc?
Ask him to show commitment to getting back in team by doing the following:
- Lose at least 30 pounds (probably more like 50 these days)
- Zip his lips and stops criticizing anyone
- Stop coming up with conspiracy theories
- No Green Lipstick or any lip gloss period
- Start playing a bit straight (no leg side hoicks) and show that he wants to play long innings by putting a price on his wicket
- Disown his elder brother Mr. ButterCup Hands
- No more of those rap videos
- Quit Twitter/social media
Why is “performing for many years” a criterion - it’s a pathway to picking veterans in decline.Fawad Alam ahead of him. I am sure plenty of other players have also scored big runs on these flat tracks this season.
Stats should not be ignored because of his personality, but through this thread, people have identified that his batting has not evolved. Hoicks to the legside will not cut it against Cummins, Rabada, Nortje, Archer level quick bowlers..
I think there are two or three famous deserving batsmen in fc cricket who have been performing for many years. Why don’t they get more attention?
Recently I have seen a journalist in one of his shows say that Umar Akmal deserved to be in team, as he was rated at 4/5 batting position. Is he crazy? The guy just scored 2 golden ducks on home soil in front of our crowd, yet he still wants him in the team. There is no other justification other then bribing the journalists to mislead the poor public of Pakistan...