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Shan Masood in Australia: 156 runs in 4 innings. Average of 39.
Sami Aslam in Australia: 48 runs in 4 innings. Average of 12.
Both are probably the same age now too.
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Shan Masood in Australia: 156 runs in 4 innings. Average of 39.
Sami Aslam in Australia: 48 runs in 4 innings. Average of 12.
Both are probably the same age now too.
How do these selective stats on Aus flat highways show anything? In fact they show how poor Shan Masood is.
26 average in 34 Test innings. 16 average in the UAE.
Sami did a lot better in super challenging conditions where the ball was dancing. He'll make a comeback and hopefully replaces Shan.
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I guarantee you, Misbah will not drop Shan.
Anyways, I don't want either in the team. I would go with Abdullah Shafique and Zeeshan Malik now, and give them the next 10 tests. I know they will perform.
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Because his 37 average was courtesy of first 4-5 knocks.
Take those out and it drops to low 30
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Hundred in QEA Trophy final.
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Fantastic work by Akmal.
Another final and another hundred in the final.
He has also had another great FC season and this season was even better than last year - well done.
Another final and another hundred in the final.
He has also had another great FC season and this season was even better than last year - well done.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Umar Akmal races to a hundred off just 86 balls and Northern's bowlers are really struggling to have any impact on the match at the moment <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QeA19Final?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#QeA19Final</a> <a href="https://t.co/yVQo4TLPwp">pic.twitter.com/yVQo4TLPwp</a></p>— PakPassion.net (@PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPassion/status/1210886855861903360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Not in great shape though.
Not in great shape though.
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Man that tummy will be competing with Sharjeel Khan soon enough.
Umar Akmal is fatter than peak Inzi
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Maybe the weight is helping him.
I remember inzi saying that he failed in the 2003 WC because he was forced to lose weight.
He is not fat, he is thicck...
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Kamran Akmal too. Heard he’s the Bradman of Pakistan’s domestic cricket.
Umar, Kamran, Adnan, and Babar playing together would be a unique record of 4 brothers playing together in a test side. Pakistan should try to create this record against a consistently lower ranked side, i.e. Bangladesh/Afghanistan.
Umar, Kamran, Adnan, and Babar playing together would be a unique record of 4 brothers playing together in a test side. Pakistan should try to create this record against a consistently lower ranked side, i.e. Bangladesh/Afghanistan.
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Umar Akmal putting Inzi to shame with that pot-belly
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Babar is not their brother.
I agree, but he’s almost 3 years younger than Abid Ali.
And he’s 5 1/2 years younger than Azhar Ali.
And he’s 4 1/2 years younger than Asad Shafiq.
I’ve said all along that he’s actually a better red ball cricketer than white ball cricketer.
And now he’s made centuries in consecutive QEA Finals.
Yes, 8 years have been wasted. But he’s not even 30 yet. Why not try again?
(I have an opinion, based on my professional background as a psychiatrist, that Umar Akmal performs best not with tough love or strict rules when he doesn’t have control. I think he performs best alongside cousin Babar or brother Kamran, because his pride makes him competitive, and he tightens up his game. And he is in control of that.)
He will always be an uneducated man who makes silly choices. But so long as he works hard on his cricket, so what?
My friend, you’ll be surprised to hear that I thought it was both brave and wise when Misbah recalled him.
I just think it was the wrong format, and recalling him with Shehzad put them both under huge pressure.
I’d be fine with him replacing Azhar Ali or Haris Sohail.
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I’d rather see 10 other Abid Ali guys get a chance .. he needs to have a full season of consistent good performances to be considered again..
Like scoring 659 runs in 8 matches at an average of 59.91?
And passing 50 in half of his innings?
Scoring a century in the QEA Final for a second consecutive year?
It’s already happened. This is it.
Or are we just running down the clock until he’s the wrong side of 30?
Yes, that was a good recall. He likes making bold decisions and I like it.
We can try Umar if Haris fails yet again, but it's not happening as Fawad is already selected and PPers plus media will crucify Misbah if he makes the call for Umar. Besides, his fitness won't last him 5 days of test cricket.
Fawad Alam is 5 years older than Umar Akmal. Why pick a temporary stopgap ahead of someone who can provide longer service?
Quality of service matters too. Umar needs to get fit for Test cricket first. Besides Fawad like Abid also deserved the call.
It's really tricky right now as a vacant spot isn't there.
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talent was never an issue with junior, the problem was always attitude and a lack of professionalism, that belly shows nothings changed.
as much as i know he'd be the most effective test number 6 pak would have i would never have him back, what he represents is everything this pak team cant afford any more.
as much as i know he'd be the most effective test number 6 pak would have i would never have him back, what he represents is everything this pak team cant afford any more.
That’s not really true though, is it?
Pakistan’s Top Six contains:
1. A soon-to-be 31 year old who averaged 6.00 in 2019.
2. A soon-to-be 35 year old who averaged 21.72 in 2019.
In any other country that would mean that there are two vacant slots right now.
Misbah and Younis were incredibly hard trainers who even in their forties were in tip top condition.
The same cannot be said about Haris Sohail and Azhar Ali!
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He's their first cousin brother.
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That belly seems to get worse everytime.
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There's no such thing as a "cousin brother".
You're either someone's brother or their cousin.
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Pot belly but soon we will be cheering for sharjeel khan.
Umar akmal is younger than Fawad yet what did he do in batting stats in comparison to Fawad this season?? Umar akmal is a failure and let’s face it won’t win you a match like Mickey Arthur said.
The lack of fitness and motivation to be fit in Pakistan squad is embarrassing. These guys need some proper fitness exercises like jump ropes and fast interval training.
I think he meant “he’s there first cousin, brother”
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If Umar Akmal is their replacement, we are better off picking an U19 player with half the talent and more integrity than him and we will be much better served!
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With all due respect, tumharay munh main khaak!
I would rather Pakistan invest in a younger, less 'taluunted', more determined and professional player than any of these losers...if he gets back in the team, he will bring the team down again with his antics and failures
I think Umar Akmal is too old to recall, to be honest.
But let’s be clear about the 2019-20 QEA. Umar Akmal was outperforming Fawad Alam until the internationals and emerging players both went on tour.
It was only with the Top 30 players out of the country that Fawad Alam scored runs. Until they left he was the 24th highest scorer in a 6 team competition.
Umar Akmal has looked superior to Fawad Alam against international quality bowling all season long.
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My favourite Pakistani cricketer and at his peak, the best Pakistani bat against pace bowling i have ever seen, better than inzi or miandad or wasim raja(i am talking about vs pace bowling).
Needs to be given a long run in the test team and have a dietician and probably a mentor/psychiatrist assigned to him.
A babar/umar batting partnership in tests could be mouthwatering, especially in england were it does not spin much.
Needs to be given a long run in the test team and have a dietician and probably a mentor/psychiatrist assigned to him.
A babar/umar batting partnership in tests could be mouthwatering, especially in england were it does not spin much.
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Then why did Umar Akmal scored less when those emerging and international players left ?
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Umar Akmal: Will do politics to spoil the team environment.
Asad Shafiq: Known for his humble nature.
That’s normal!
There have always been cricketers who need top level competition to focus and perform. Think Imran Khan, Greg Chappell, even Ben Stokes last summer.
Then there are the minnow-bashers, who see easy opposition and friendly conditions as a pathway to inflating their average. Geoff Boycott, Mohammad Hafeez, Mitchell Starc, Misbah-ul-Haq.
Fawad Alam looked past his best in the first half of this season’s QEA. Remember what happened against Naseem Shah?
But as soon as the good bowlers were overseas, Fawad became a run machine down the order on dead pitches against worn out Kookaburra balls delivered by reserve bowlers.
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Just play both fawad and umar and see what happens.
Can drop haris and shaan( harsh on shaan as he scored a century in the last match, but that was a pancake of a pitch and he will get killed in england).
Can drop haris and shaan( harsh on shaan as he scored a century in the last match, but that was a pancake of a pitch and he will get killed in england).
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Oh so I get it.
The reason for Umar Akmal’s failed career and pathetic international record is that the quality of cricket at his time wasn’t strong enough. Wish he had played in the 1980s
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Umar is good against pace but poor against spin, fawad is the opposite. This is one explanation.
Another explanation would be less time on the crease as fawad batted longer and fawad is a slower bat and therefore along with less time, umar had to up the score rate and played higher risk shots.
At the end of the day, i would pick both for the england series over haris and shaan.
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Has Umar akmal showed anything to suggest that when the wicket isn’t flat and when bowling is tough be can get snuck in
As I have shown in an earlier thread, when Umar Akmal was dropped after 16 Tests (15 Outside Asia), Umar Akmal Outside Asia in Tests:
1. Reached 40 in a higher percentage of innings than Younis, Misbah, Azhar or Shafiq.
2. Scored less than 20 less often than any of those four batsmen.
Pakistan decided to invest in those four batsmen, and there was no Test vacancy for Umar Akmal.
So yes, he became fat and disinterested and lazy because he had no path back to the team.
But he has always been Pakistan’s next best batsman after Babar Azam. And his back-to-back QEA Final matchwinning centuries show that he has not lost it at all. When the stakes are high, he’s still the next best after his cousin Babar.
And, as I wrote earlier, when Babar is playing alongside him, Umar finds that his focus grows and competitive pride drives him further.
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This can be asked of every batsman playing in Pakistan.
Umar does not control the quality of pitches in Pakistan.
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Unar akmal was not a favourite boy of Misbah since umar and Ahmed Shehzad were known to be close to Afridi which was disliked by Misbah. Especially during the 2014 year there were even reports by media that Waqar and Misbah didn't enjoy some players being too close to Afridi.
Proof of this was shown when Misbah dropped umar Akmal despite 2 50s in last 3 games in the ODIs. Umar Akmal was not only mistreated in the tests by dropping him on unlucky dismissal against Zim despite a very good WI tour, he was also dropped so many times to accommodate golden boys Shafiq, Azhar and YK in the ODIs but despite Misbah's great efforts he eventually had to bring UA back for WC 15.
There is no doubt that UA did play some reckless cricket and was not careful but a good captain would have definitely get more out of him. Misbah was never a classy man. Never let his beard fool you as evident by ousting of Mickey to accept the post himself. He always tried to force his own mentality and never respected differences of opinion. He wanted each and every player to play like him when he had all the powers which is why we used to produce timid players during his era.
Proof of this was shown when Misbah dropped umar Akmal despite 2 50s in last 3 games in the ODIs. Umar Akmal was not only mistreated in the tests by dropping him on unlucky dismissal against Zim despite a very good WI tour, he was also dropped so many times to accommodate golden boys Shafiq, Azhar and YK in the ODIs but despite Misbah's great efforts he eventually had to bring UA back for WC 15.
There is no doubt that UA did play some reckless cricket and was not careful but a good captain would have definitely get more out of him. Misbah was never a classy man. Never let his beard fool you as evident by ousting of Mickey to accept the post himself. He always tried to force his own mentality and never respected differences of opinion. He wanted each and every player to play like him when he had all the powers which is why we used to produce timid players during his era.
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Hahaha [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] what a crooked up story to show your further hate. It's only under Misbah he got a chance for 2015 and now too recalled again in 2019, even though PPers and media were outraged at Umar's selection.
You can continue to spread lies and hate but that won't change anything, he wasn't a selector and as soon as he became a selector, first thing he did was bring in Umar Akmal. Even though everyone was against him.
Umar is a good talent but too fat right now for Test cricket, will still take him though. But everyone will hate Misbah for selecting him.
You can continue to spread lies and hate but that won't change anything, he wasn't a selector and as soon as he became a selector, first thing he did was bring in Umar Akmal. Even though everyone was against him.
Umar is a good talent but too fat right now for Test cricket, will still take him though. But everyone will hate Misbah for selecting him.
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No, misbah destroyed umar's career and is the reason i will never like misbah.
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I don’t think Misbah deliberately destroyed anyone’s career - it’s just that Misbah, Younis, Azhar and Shafiq left no vacancy for anyone else.
There is a problem with going from being a member of a team to its Coach and Chief Selector as quickly as Misbah did.
You risk being viewed by both former team-mates or the public as having favourites. Most people suggest a minimum ten year gap, rather like Justin Langer.
I don’t think Misbah deliberately destroyed anyone’s career - it’s just that Misbah, Younis, Azhar and Shafiq left no vacancy for anyone else.
There is a problem with going from being a member of a team to its Coach and Chief Selector as quickly as Misbah did.
You risk being viewed by both former team-mates or the public as having favourites. Most people suggest a minimum ten year gap, rather like Justin Langer.
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200 now 
Back to back sixes against Musa
Back to back sixes against Musa
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Season ending on a great note for umar akmal. Another season like this and he should find himself in pakistan test team.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">200 for Umar Akmal! Fantastic knock and he doesn't look like he is done yet. Central Punjab's lead is now 375 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QeA19Final?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#QeA19Final</a> <a href="https://t.co/0g42JtYvNU">pic.twitter.com/0g42JtYvNU</a></p>— PakPassion.net (@PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPassion/status/1211201146439778305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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it's not just about no vacancy but Misbah actually believed in his methodology when it comes to batting. He always preferred players who were extra cautious with the batting above free flowing stroke makers or you may say agressive batsmen. He favoured classical old style batsmen.
It was very tough for a batsman of UA's nature to play innings like Azhar Ali. Which is why he looked very confused from 2014-15 as he had a lot of pressure to keep his place and also bat against his nature. He was out of form which didn't help him either and with all the added pressure he collapsed as he was not mentally strong enough.
Misbah even mentioned in his post WC report that one of the reason we didn't win the world cup was because Umar and Shehzad didn't stay at the crease for long time and played too aggressively.
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Can we just give him 6 test innings again and put this discussion to bed once and for all. He cant certainly do any worse than Haris Sohail or our legendary 38 averaging Asad Shafiq.
If he does come back though it will be important to allow him to play the way he wants to play. I feel he has tried to put too much thinking into his game in the past which hasnt helped him.
If he does come back though it will be important to allow him to play the way he wants to play. I feel he has tried to put too much thinking into his game in the past which hasnt helped him.
Yet Umar akmal can’t help but play stupid shots, I’m sick and tired of his and Ahmed Shehzad’s investment.
How come when Australia bowl on these "highways" teams get rolled for low scores & beaten handily... the pitches seam just a bit all match (as this one did), they have bounce & carry... Lyon gets turn & bounce.
But when other teams bowl with their pop gun attacks they turn into "highways" with no spin & no movement?
Lol Umar Akmal's problem has never been that he thinks too much about his game. A classic example of his stupidity is how on the very first ball of his comeback vs Sri Lanka in the 1st T20 after Babar got out, he tried to heave an inswinging delivery through the on side and was given LBW.
I've said it countless times about Akmal that it's no use having strokeplaying ability if you cannot assess a pitch, determine which opposition bowlers to attack or defend, cannot play percentage cricket when the field is spread (how many times have we seen Akmal hole out to deep midwicket trying to slog sweep a spinner after getting set) and are perenially unfit.
Yes he can score runs against poorer domestic attacks and inept captains who don't know how to cut off his scoring areas and punish his high risk cricket. However at international level he's been worked out and can't be bothered working on his weaknesses.
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He should be used in LO. He is not that bad where he can average about 35 at a strike rate of about 85.
Doubt he is good enough for tests.
Doubt he is good enough for tests.
When will this Umar Akmal debate end . Before he was dropped from the test side he scored 2 50s in his last 26 test innings . So at the time he was dropped it was no gross injustice .
It was a long time ago however , but since then he has lost his way. He has disappointed in white ball cricket and not really shown any improvement.
Sticking to red ball cricket , he has performed well in domestic cricket recently, but their are other players who have performed consistently well and for a longer period of time who have still not been given a chance or just given an odd test here and there .
Akmal will now need to wait his turn .
His most recent outings for Pakistan resulted in 2 golden ducks and in his 5 one dayers against Australia in which Rizwan and Haris got 100’s he failed to score even a single 50. So let’s not get to hopeful on him .
It was a long time ago however , but since then he has lost his way. He has disappointed in white ball cricket and not really shown any improvement.
Sticking to red ball cricket , he has performed well in domestic cricket recently, but their are other players who have performed consistently well and for a longer period of time who have still not been given a chance or just given an odd test here and there .
Akmal will now need to wait his turn .
His most recent outings for Pakistan resulted in 2 golden ducks and in his 5 one dayers against Australia in which Rizwan and Haris got 100’s he failed to score even a single 50. So let’s not get to hopeful on him .
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It was tongue in cheek. I can't really believe why your countrymen would advocate for having Umar Akmal in the side. That too in test cricket.
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Phenomenal work to get a double ton!
Its even more special, when it is done in a final - excellent work.
Its even more special, when it is done in a final - excellent work.
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"I hope I can get a chance to play Tests" : Umar Akmal
Double centurion Umar Akmal speaking to the press at the end of Day 3 of the QeA Final:
"This is all due to Allah swt's blessings, I do my best and also other teammates do their best too"
"My role is to perform well in domestic cricket. As far as selection for the national side is concerned, that is the job of the Selectors; I am doing my best in 4-Day cricket and as far as I am concerned, no amounts of runs I score in 4-Day are enough, Inshallah that day is not far (when I will play Tests) and I hope I can get a chance to play Tests"
"You cannot decide on the result of one ball if I made a mistake but I will try my best to avail myself of any other chances I get in the future; All those journalists who are sitting here will know that you cannot decide on the career of a person based on one ball; If I can play a few more balls then I will feel satisfied that I have been given good chances and then I will try and avail myself of those chances"
"All those cricketers who have played in the six teams have played well; Those who could not be selected for this season, all I can say is that I pray that Allah swt makes it easy for them and Inshallah that time is not faraway when they will also be part of this cricket (First-Class)"
Double centurion Umar Akmal speaking to the press at the end of Day 3 of the QeA Final:
"This is all due to Allah swt's blessings, I do my best and also other teammates do their best too"
"My role is to perform well in domestic cricket. As far as selection for the national side is concerned, that is the job of the Selectors; I am doing my best in 4-Day cricket and as far as I am concerned, no amounts of runs I score in 4-Day are enough, Inshallah that day is not far (when I will play Tests) and I hope I can get a chance to play Tests"
"You cannot decide on the result of one ball if I made a mistake but I will try my best to avail myself of any other chances I get in the future; All those journalists who are sitting here will know that you cannot decide on the career of a person based on one ball; If I can play a few more balls then I will feel satisfied that I have been given good chances and then I will try and avail myself of those chances"
"All those cricketers who have played in the six teams have played well; Those who could not be selected for this season, all I can say is that I pray that Allah swt makes it easy for them and Inshallah that time is not faraway when they will also be part of this cricket (First-Class)"
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Not a big fan of Umar Akmal, but to score a double at a SR of 82 is exceptional to say the least. What a waste of talent honestly.
Side note, Sadaf Hussain bowling those half-trackers consistently is hilarious. Why does he bother with a full run-up?
Side note, Sadaf Hussain bowling those half-trackers consistently is hilarious. Why does he bother with a full run-up?
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Would anyone select Imran Farhat after he scores a triple hundred in qea final? If no then same should be true for UA.
Really?
Imran Farhat would be the oldest batsman in the Test team by a margin of 2 years, and just averaged 21 less runs per innings than Salman Butt this season.
Umar Akmal would be the second youngest batsman in the Pakistan team - only Babar Azam is younger - and this season scored 27 fewer runs than Fawad Alam, who played one extra innings.
Abid Ali is older.
Shan Masood is older.
Haris Sohail is older and averaged 6 in 2019.
Azhar Ali is older and averaged 22 in 2019.
Asad Shafiq is older.
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Why can't Pakistanis differentiate between formats?
Just because a player scores quick doesn't mean he is suited only to white ball cricket. Rate of scoring does come into play in test cricket also.
Akmal is 10x the batsman Iftikhar will ever be.
The King will make a return soon I hope.
Misbah killed his career.
Just because a player scores quick doesn't mean he is suited only to white ball cricket. Rate of scoring does come into play in test cricket also.
Akmal is 10x the batsman Iftikhar will ever be.
The King will make a return soon I hope.
Misbah killed his career.
Ah ok like a hybrid like alien-predator or the “tunak tunak” man
I have never seen so many excuses for a single player . Akmal has a good start to his career. When he was dropped he had scored 2 50 in his last 22 innings and his lack of ability to convert starts and patience cost him his place . However he was 21 and had plenty of time to improve his game .
He was still given countless opportunities in white ball cricket but he never delivered on a consistent basis . Excuses were made for him that he’s being used as a hitter or he should open , when very often he was coming in with 25-30 overs left , and getting out to dumb shots at the wrong time . Despite that he has played nearly 100 t20s for Pak and similar number of one day matches .
Most recently he was given 5 one day matches against Australia to prove his mettle before the World Cup on the back of his domestic form. He failed to score a single 50 whereas batsman like Abid Ali, Harris and Rizwan scored 100s.
Then supposedly the person who ruined Misbah’s career recalled him and he got out for 2 golden ducks ! Why will the selectors put faith in him for test cricket when he can’t even pass 50 in limited overs cricket.
It’s not even about confusing formats . As Akmal Just does not have the patience to build a test innings .
He still could have got selected for red ball cricket but I believe he never scored a domestic 100 for a good few seasons . To defend him and say “ he became disinterested and fat “ is shameful to say the least . What kind of explanation is that . He has had so many call ups it’s unreal.
Fawad Alam comes to mind . He never got picked for 8 years despite averaging 40! But what did he do, he kept plugging away and worked on his game He didn’t let himself go.
Now the excuse is that he will perform better as Babar is In the team and it will help him focus . I mean seriously I’ve never heard so many theories on a player ever . I mean babar was there at the crease when he got two golden ducks , so that theory goes out the window .
Enough said .
Superb post yet Akmal fans will still state his case regardless of all the failed comebacks.
The excuses have worn thin. Akmal was given an opportunity to bat higher up the order in white ball cricket, against Australia and Sri Lanka, and failed.
Akmal's failures under Misbah's captaincy were supposedly because he stifled his attacking instincts, yet Akmal failed after Misbah's captaincy under more attacking captains.
He was given a rocket by Mickey Arthur in 2017 to sort out his fitness, yet 2.5 years later he's still carrying excess weight. I don't know why so many excuses are made for a guy who does NOTHING to repay the misguided faith placed in him time and again.
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No way. Test team is settled for the most part anyway, Fawad should replace Haris.
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There are some guys who are just written off at Intl level no matter what they achieve at domestics.
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Umar akmal will certainly get his chance when he is 32 as is always the case with PCB so let's have patience
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