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[VIDEO] Time for Yasir Shah to show his true value for Pakistan

Seems having Mushy is really helping him. Hopefully he can get back to his best and serve us for another 2-3 years.
 
Junaids said:
As a former leg-spinner - I was an inferior one to Mike Atherton at school - I wasn’t happy with Yasir at Old Trafford.

He remains more accurate than Shadab Khan, of course.

But he has lost his drift and his googly and he overpitched consistently.

Yes, he’s still better than Shadab Khan. But he’s a shadow of the old Yasir Shah - he should have been a threat on a Fourth Innings pitch with turn and bounce and he really wasn’t.
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That first line doesn’t tell anything to be honest - I mean, being inferior to someone hardly is a status - I can also say that at school I was an inferior cricketer than Shakib or Sir Gary ..... hardly matters. May be if you were a better leggi than Mike Atherton, the wonderful leg spinner that he was; you could have realised what Yasir Shah actually is for this PAK team.
 
MMHS said:
That first line doesn’t tell anything to be honest - I mean, being inferior to someone hardly is a status - I can also say that at school I was an inferior cricketer than Shakib or Sir Gary ..... hardly matters. May be if you were a better leggi than Mike Atherton, the wonderful leg spinner that he was; you could have realised what Yasir Shah actually is for this PAK team.
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Junaids has English style of thinking towards spinners.
 
So far this morning, Yasir has been bowling entirely wide of off stump, sometimes half trackers, to Crawley. What is the thinking here? Crawley is smoking him every time through the off side for singles or boundaries.
 
Started off shakily but really got into his work and groove near the end of the session, took Sibley's wicket and was all over Root. Need him to continue that after lunch and get us back into this game.
 
Absolutely on fire since the end of the first session. The most dangerous looking bowler, and Pakistan's leading wicket taker in this series by far.
 
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What a ball?!
 
He has been a brilliant test match player for us. He has performed poorly at times for us and been criticised. But we compete in tests when he is on his game.

I have realized his value during this series.
 
Very close to Buttler

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Relying on leg spinner on first day is an issue here. He is pretty good, but others need to chip in.
 
Hasan123 said:
Junaids has English style of thinking towards spinners.
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English way of thinking is from an obligation- not from choice. England simply doesn’t have a spinner quality enough to hold a place in playing XI, hence they go for compromise choices - spinners who can contribute with bat as well, which I think is not a bad call. In last 35 years Tufnell & Swan (Panesar as well) have played enough Tests to suggest that the issue here is availability, not thought process. Had he not ruined his career Monty could have played 100+!Tests for England.

PAK’s case is different - first, the team tactics & bowling combination is completely different than English cricket, but more importantly there are several talented spinner awaiting, who can make it as a specialist spinner and can add value with bat as well. It’s mind blowing that I had to justify Yasir’s value even for PAK posters here - literally PAK Test team is kept at relevant level in last 5/6 years by this guy, almost alone.
 
Yasir Shah has so far bowled close to 27 overs - on the first day of a Test match!
 
Mushtaq speaking about Yasir today:

[How much pressure on an experienced leg-spinner like Yasir when playing alongside an inexperienced bowling attack]

"When you go in with 2 young fast-bowlers, then there are 2 types of responsibilities on you; One, you have to not allow the other side to score runs and two, you have to take wickets also; As you can see Yasir bowled prety much all day, and that too against the wind; He tried to be consistent in these conditions; From what I know, England team had specific plans to attack Yasir so that he cannot settle down"

"So there was a lot of burden on Yasir and there was pressure on him too; We told him that he is a match winner and he should look for wickets but then he also had to contain the score due to the presence of the young bowlers; So there has been an increase in pressure on Yasir in this series; In previous times, there used to be Mohammad Amir and other senior bowlers who would contain the opposition and we used to attack with Yasir, in UAE and England or wherever else Pakistan won games"

"Yasir has this burden on him but he is enjoying this challenge and today he bowled really well; I was listening to Shane Warne who was praising Yasir for his good bowling; We still believe he can get us wickets"
 
Zak was talking about his height and the low bounce he manages to get
The swirling wind wouldn't have helped him
 
MenInG said:
Yasir Shah m so far bowled close to 27 overs - on the first day of a Test match!
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Its totally unfair No matter how good a spinner you are you should not be bowled this much on the first day of a test match No wonder his figures go to pot

This is what happened in aus and in previous series against england when he went for loads of runs because of the pacers inability to get wickets

They need to bowl the overs on the first day and first innings not yasir This over reliance on yasir is not right esp in thr first innings of tests
 
Mike Atherton says the way Crawley played leg-spinner Yasir Shah was a template for other England batsmen to follow...

Yasir was also going to hold a heavy load in windy conditions. There wasn’t much spin for him on a first-day pitch but the threat came from his drift. That meant that players who looked to play him off the back foot were in trouble, like Pope. Crawley, a very tall man, played differently, used his footwork to generally play forward and straight down the ground. That is a better way to play him Yasir when he is bowling straight and drifting the ball into the stumps."
 
Yasir haters can screw off.

Legendary bowler and some people wanted him dropped smh
 
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Yasir is a very lethal bowler when the conditions suite him. If only he could bowl with more control in SENA conditions, his average would've been closer to 25 than 30. He has the second best strike rate among leg-spinners after Stuart MacGill. That speaks to his wicket-taking abilities.
 
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Our fast bowling is all over the place. If it wasn't for Yasir , I really don't have a clue how we would win this game.

Yasir isn't perfect but he is a very good bowler and we should give him credit for what he has achieved.
 
Watching Yasir bowl in Asia is a cure for sore eyes.
Yes, he is not a good bowler in SA, Australia and NZ, and he never was a good bowler in these countries.

Still our best spinner.
Hopefully he can overtake Kaneria's record of 261 wickets quickly. Seeing Danish being our highest spinner makes me want to puke. Kaneria's twitter also tells you he doesn't want Yasir to take his record.
 
Whenever Yasir Shah has had the support of Mushtaq Ahmed, he has performed the next opportunity he is provided. It's something I've noticed a lot.

Mushtaq Ahmed should be with the Pakistan team right now given that we have some new spinners in the side, he should be given a permanent coaching spot because he really helps Yasir on his control and variation at times.

Yasir is a world-class spinner. He will win you matches when he is confident and bowling well. If you don't want to play him overseas, make sure that you play him in Pakistan because conditions suit his bowling.
 
In home conditions he is the leader of our attack. Wonderful to watch on song, feels like a wicket will happen every ball. It's a shame he leaves such bowling ability behind every time he goes to SENA.
 
Firebat said:
In home conditions he is the leader of our attack. Wonderful to watch on song, feels like a wicket will happen every ball. It's a shame he leaves such bowling ability behind every time he goes to SENA.
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You can’t blame him when Pakistan has opted to overbowl him on a green pitch, that too on the first day of the Test.
 
Mueez said:
You can’t blame him when Pakistan has opted to overbowl him on a green pitch, that too on the first day of the Test.
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Exactly You cant blame him when the pace bowling is horrible abroad they should be winning the games abroad not yasir who is overbowled
 
So it takes one performance in home conditions and all of a sudden, his past performances are forgiven?
 
Yasir in asia is the first name on the team sheet. He's won us more games than anybody else in the last 6-7 years.
 
ManFan said:
So it takes one performance in home conditions and all of a sudden, his past performances are forgiven?
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Which leg spinner in the last decade has done well in sena conditions? I've been asking people this question for like 2 weeks, yet to get an answer.
 
aloo paratha said:
Which leg spinner in the last decade has done well in sena conditions? I've been asking people this question for like 2 weeks, yet to get an answer.
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He was not helped by Pakistan not having an attack to trouble batsmen in SENA countries so he was over bowled instead of being used sparingly. You dont see Maharaj over bowled in SA.
 
He's been great through out his career...no issues.
Just look at his record.
All bowlers have had their off days, series etc.
Overall, excellent for Pakistan.
 
Pakhs said:
He was not helped by Pakistan not having an attack to trouble batsmen in SENA countries so he was over bowled instead of being used sparingly. You dont see Maharaj over bowled in SA.
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Exactly. He's basically been made a scapegoat. He's been overbowled in all of our away series', even in England in 2016
 
aloo paratha said:
Which leg spinner in the last decade has done well in sena conditions? I've been asking people this question for like 2 weeks, yet to get an answer.
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Forget last decade, very few have ever done well other than Warne. Kumble, Qadir averaged 30-40 in SENA. Richie Benaud did badly. Chandrasekhar did okay.

Mushy did well.

I’m looking at the stats right now and apparently Mushy is the second best ever after Warne?
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Forget last decade, very few have ever done well other than Warne. Kumble, Qadir averaged 30-40 in SENA. Richie Benaud did badly. Chandrasekhar did okay.

Mushy did well.

I’m looking at the stats right now and apparently Mushy is the second best ever after Warne?
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Exactly. I specified last decade because I knew there would be a grant total of 0 names, and it's also the most relevant to todays day and age.

In general, we're too fixated on away performances. If a person has great home stats, they are a great asset, since half your games will be played at home anyways. Even the worlds top teams, they are dominant at home, and only competitive away.
 
Basically [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is right about the value of playing specialist spinners in Australia, New Zealand, England, and South Africa.

The problem Pakistan has is that most of the fast bowlers would struggle to get a game for Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, and they are forced to rely on Yasir in conditions that he'll invariably fail in.
 
aloo paratha said:
Which leg spinner in the last decade has done well in sena conditions? I've been asking people this question for like 2 weeks, yet to get an answer.
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Not many.

But he can keep the run-rate down, which he doesn’t and releases the pressure of other bowlers.
 
ManFan said:
Not many.

But he can keep the run-rate down, which he doesn’t and releases the pressure of other bowlers.
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Our strategy has been wrong. In SENA, you need accurate finger spinners. The ball won't spin so a finger spinner will keep the runs down. Finger spinners will always be more accurate than wrist spinners, since finger spin is easier to bowl.

For years we threw Yasir into the team in SENA conditions, and made him bowl 30+ overs per innings. He was basically made a scapegoat for the inability of our pacers to bowl well and bowl longer spells, due to them being unfit.
 
aloo paratha said:
Our strategy has been wrong. In SENA, you need accurate finger spinners. The ball won't spin so a finger spinner will keep the runs down. Finger spinners will always be more accurate than wrist spinners, since finger spin is easier to bowl.

For years we threw Yasir into the team in SENA conditions, and made him bowl 30+ overs per innings. He was basically made a scapegoat for the inability of our pacers to bowl well and bowl longer spells, due to them being unfit.
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I agree but leg-spinners have historically been used as an attacking option. For example, in the comparison between Ajmal and Yasir, the former can keep it down at the Test level but Yasir will take the wickets.

The only finger spinners of the modern era that could do both were Murali (ATG) and Ashwin (who took years to make the learning curve and still struggles to take wickets).

On the other hand, leggies like Warne, Kumble, Mushtaq, Kaneria have played important parts in overseas wins for their respective teams.

Ian Chappell and Warne once said that all leggies need two things; confidence from their captain and rhythm. Yasir lacks the former and worst of all, has a very poor cricketing brain. No amount of skill can compensate for that.

The guy constantly needs Mushy to guide him or Misbah on the field, ball by ball. Attack him, he gets lost. Batsman refuses to stick to his pre-determined plan, he cannot improvise.

I’ll give you an example. Warne couldn’t do anything against Carl Hooper using his feet against him. Then he noticed that before each ball when he did so, he would look down at his feet. Boom! Warne got his man.

Now ask yourself, is Yasir Shah capable of such intelligence?

My point is, Yasir is selected to pick wickets and when he does not, he becomes a liability because he cannot keep the run-rate down.
 
Looks like de Kock feels Yasir can be attacked and is intent on doing so; he hit Yasir for 3 boundaries in the penultimate over of the day.

Yasir will have a big job tomorrow, against a very dangerous counter attacking batsman. Yasir could start leaking runs, and when it rains it pours generally.
 
He is way past it. His fitness has declined badly. Reporters mentioned that he knows his cricketing career is on the wane and hence he has not been that active in playing domestic cricket and has been focusing on setting up his businesses after cricket.
 
Yasir's spectacular performance with the ball. He took 3/12 today in the National T20 tournament match of Abbotabad against Sialkot. Have a look at his bowling.

 
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Don't know whether it's late now. But still believe Yasir can deliver its best in Test for team Pakistan.
 
Marooned said:
Oh dear.

I'm sure posters will be going on about yasir shah even a decade from now.
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Yeah he did had one bad tour. But done forget, he has ton of experience and that can come into play when you are playing against great teams.
 
It's too late now. It's tough to make an International comeback at the age of 37, under the best of circumstances.

Look at Yasir's Pakistan career though. He's Pakistan's 5th all time Test wicket taker. He's also the fastest bowler to reach 200 Test wickets. He has a remarkable average of taking over 5 wickets per match( higher than both Kumble and Warne), made more remarkable for the fact that in his last dozen or so games, his performances fell off.

You wonder what could have been if he had had fewer controversies off the field that interrupted his career, and if his Test debut was not delayed by a dominant Ajmal( who by this time was bowling with a very generous bend in the arm).

In an another world, Yasir plays 30-40 more Tests and takes 400+ Test wickets, maybe even becoming Pakistan's all-time leading wicket taker.
 
FlickedOffHips said:
It's too late now. It's tough to make an International comeback at the age of 37, under the best of circumstances.

Look at Yasir's Pakistan career though. He's Pakistan's 5th all time Test wicket taker. He's also the fastest bowler to reach 200 Test wickets. He has a remarkable average of taking over 5 wickets per match( higher than both Kumble and Warne), made more remarkable for the fact that in his last dozen or so games, his performances fell off.

You wonder what could have been if he had had fewer controversies off the field that interrupted his career, and if his Test debut was not delayed by a dominant Ajmal( who by this time was bowling with a very generous bend in the arm).

In an another world, Yasir plays 30-40 more Tests and takes 400+ Test wickets, maybe even becoming Pakistan's all-time leading wicket taker.
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Yeah, you are right Ajmal halted his career a bit. Otherwise yasir would have had more feathers in his cap.
 
SHAHERYAR ALI said:
Yeah he did had one bad tour. But done forget, he has ton of experience and that can come into play when you are playing against great teams.
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It's almost as if you guys have no memories.

Not one bad tour. He was basically garbage in every series since 2019. The final nail in coffin was when he was recalled for the sri lanka series and despite getting a spinning paradise, he averaged 40 with an economy rate of nearly 4.

He was finished years ago but if you need some more "experience" maybe rope in wasim akram and imran khan too.
 
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