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[VIDEO] Umar Akmal staking another claim for selection?

MenInG said:
Unfit and out of shape - The Umar Akmal story continue. Probably didnt have the energy to hit the ball out of the park
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How much energy did the lean and fit Shoaib Malik display when he hit straight down long on's throat?

Point is, use the same scale to measure all the players in the team. Do not expect Umar to play a mature, measured, match-winnings innings while giving the rest a free pass.

He is your second highest scorer in this game with the second best strike rate.
 
I cannot entirely fault him today for the position Pakistan were in.

But when you see he gave 3 chances in a 36, you know he still sucks the same.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I cannot entirely fault him today for the position Pakistan were in.

But when you see he gave 3 chances in a 36, you know he still sucks the same.
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Wasn't Imam also dropped?

Honestly, Umar can't do anything about the chances he gets. It is commendable that he still played today with better strike rate and with the intent of taking the bowlers on while others were busy securing their spots for the WC.
 
The way he's played is just sooooooo Umar Akmal. His fitness gain is also a issue. Overall its looking bleak to see if he will be in the World Cup.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I cannot entirely fault him today for the position Pakistan were in.

But when you see he gave 3 chances in a 36, you know he still sucks the same.
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Let's not exaggerate it was one chance that too when the run rate is over 8 he got out when it was higher what else should he do he looks to win the game not better his average.
 
Snowflake said:
How much energy did the lean and fit Shoaib Malik display when he hit straight down long on's throat?

Point is, use the same scale to measure all the players in the team. Do not expect Umar to play a mature, measured, match-winnings innings while giving the rest a free pass.

He is your second highest scorer in this game with the second best strike rate.
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If we use the same scale, Umar comes out bottom because he was the only player who needed a dropped catch, a missed stumping and a 3rd catch to finally leave the crease after 36 runs which is just a tad above his career average.

If we are going to support him, at least dont be disingenuous and stick to the basics.
 
Cric1234 said:
Let's not exaggerate it was one chance that too when the run rate is over 8 he got out when it was higher what else should he do he looks to win the game not better his average.
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I get it.

He scores faster than the rest of Babas.

But he also excels at hitting random shots straight into the hands of the fielder faster than others.

So your support is either because he plays fast or because you think he is unfairly treated.

Choose one and we can discuss.
 
Snowflake said:
Wasn't Imam also dropped?

Honestly, Umar can't do anything about the chances he gets. It is commendable that he still played today with better strike rate and with the intent of taking the bowlers on while others were busy securing their spots for the WC.
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He cant do ANYTHING about the chances he gets?

How about NOT GIVING chances like other mortal batsmen???

His luck will run out eventually and then he will have a string of low scores leading to him being dumped with his fan base still screaming loudly at the injustice meted out to him.
 
Imam has been exposed in this series its time for Akmal to open but that won't happen he was brought in to bat in the top 4 now he's back at 6 what's the point nothing new has been tried Mickey is clueless.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
He cant do ANYTHING about the chances he gets?

How about NOT GIVING chances like other mortal batsmen???

His luck will run out eventually and then he will have a string of low scores leading to him being dumped with his fan base still screaming loudly at the injustice meted out to him.
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Okay, let's trash him once that happens. Till then, he can continue to outperform seasoned campaigners like Malik and the talented youngsters like Imam and Haaris.
 
Give him 2 more farewell games as he is not better then the Akmal of 2010... what a shame that he has become an expert for boundary catching practice
 
He’ll never learn. People need to stop getting fooled by his and Shehzads performances in the PSL. Invest in others.
 
It's a bit too much to ask from an Akmal, but still feel that he could be very handy at 6/7 in the UK on those batting belters.

Umar likes the ball coming to the bat which you will have in the UK. Also he has all the shots in the book. I don't trust U. Akmal, but we already have too many accumulators in the line up the reason we need some diversity in between to get 320+ regularly.
 
Snowflake said:
Okay, let's trash him once that happens. Till then, he can continue to outperform seasoned campaigners like Malik and the talented youngsters like Imam and Haaris.
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So you are okay if he gives 2 chances on the way to a 30 or 40 and then throws it away every match, as long as he plays at a SR of 85 to 90 odd and scores quick runs??
 
His batting has been hit and miss, but a far bigger issue is his poor attitude. During the PSL he looked like he had shown some discipline by losing weight, but as soon as he gets his place back the fat has been packed back on.

This guy is only 28 but he seems to have a bigger appetite for parathas and kebabs than scoring centuries. I would suggest maybe pick Moin Khan's son to bat alongside him, that might make Umar look a bit slimmer in comparison.
 
All he was asked to lose weight but he still looks over weight. He is his own enemy.
There will be a fitness test before world cup squad announcement and with this fitness standard he is likely to make selector's job a lot easier.

The only other player who could score quickly in the middle or at 6 is non-existent. This has given Umar a great opportunity to revive his career as the only other recent option in Asif Ali is even worse. But this attitude, unprofessionalism won't take him far.
 
I don't want to play devils advocate but when Imad and Umar were batting Pak needed around 110 of 85 deliveries on a flat wicket. The outfield was big and there were plenty of opportunities to play ball in gaps and put pressure on fielders. Umar just needed to rotate the strike, wait for odd loose delivery, take the game to last 5 overs and then go all guns blazing. Frankly, this is very basic requirement from a no. 6 in modern cricket these days. I can recall countless matches like this Dhoni & Yuvi finished for India. Shoaib Malik and Umar both threw away their wickets. Mentally weak players.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
I don't want to play devils advocate but when Imad and Umar were batting Pak needed around 110 of 85 deliveries on a flat wicket. The outfield was big and there were plenty of opportunities to play ball in gaps and put pressure on fielders. Umar just needed to rotate the strike, wait for odd loose delivery, take the game to last 5 overs and then go all guns blazing. Frankly, this is very basic requirement from a no. 6 in modern cricket these days. I can recall countless matches like this Dhoni & Yuvi finished for India. Shoaib Malik and Umar both threw away their wickets. Mentally weak players.
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was not a flat wicket but yes agree with what you've said.

if basic common sense prevailed.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
I don't want to play devils advocate but when Imad and Umar were batting Pak needed around 110 of 85 deliveries on a flat wicket. The outfield was big and there were plenty of opportunities to play ball in gaps and put pressure on fielders. Umar just needed to rotate the strike, wait for odd loose delivery, take the game to last 5 overs and then go all guns blazing. Frankly, this is very basic requirement from a no. 6 in modern cricket these days. I can recall countless matches like this Dhoni & Yuvi finished for India. Shoaib Malik and Umar both threw away their wickets. Mentally weak players.
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It wasn't a flat wicket 7-8 an over for 20 overs was a tough ask it wasn't a small ground aswell where sixes can be hit towards the end the shots could've been avoided but the start was the reason for the loss 16-3 on a 250 wicket becomes a tough ask.
 
He looked decent today. You know what, considering we dont have a bradman waiting in the wings, and the only other hack we have is Asif Ali, I would stick with Umar Akmal for the World Cup.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
I don't want to play devils advocate but when Imad and Umar were batting Pak needed around 110 of 85 deliveries on a flat wicket. The outfield was big and there were plenty of opportunities to play ball in gaps and put pressure on fielders. Umar just needed to rotate the strike, wait for odd loose delivery, take the game to last 5 overs and then go all guns blazing. Frankly, this is very basic requirement from a no. 6 in modern cricket these days. I can recall countless matches like this Dhoni & Yuvi finished for India. Shoaib Malik and Umar both threw away their wickets. Mentally weak players.
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Absolutely this. It was even more important to play sensibly when you've got Yasir Shah of all people coming in at 8. Pre-meditated aerial shots in the middle of the innings is actually inexcusable.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
So you are okay if he gives 2 chances on the way to a 30 or 40 and then throws it away every match, as long as he plays at a SR of 85 to 90 odd and scores quick runs??
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I'm okay with his inclusion as long as he's outperforming his counterparts.
 
Scoring 48, 16 and 36 in 3 matches so far makes him eligible for a return to play the World Cup? :))
 
Surely we should stick to the 2017 CT batting line-up with two changes...
Either Imam or Shan to replace Azhar Ali and Asif and of Suhail to replace Malik...

Isn’t that the logical way to go about things?
 
So,


Umar Akmal has scored 100 (117) in 3 losing causes at an @ of 33.33 and a SR of 86.



Equation for him is simple now.



1. He has to score a fifty in 4th or 5th innings.


2. He has to pass the fitness Test on 14th April.



If he fails to do this than He will be dropped and Asif Ali/Sohaib Maqsood will replace him. (Upcoming Pakistan Cup performances imp)
 
Snowflake said:
Wasn't Imam also dropped?

Honestly, Umar can't do anything about the chances he gets. It is commendable that he still played today with better strike rate and with the intent of taking the bowlers on while others were busy securing their spots for the WC.
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It is not about commendable to play with better strike and intent of taking the bowler on.

If that is so then AFRIDI is the best out of all. How sensibly u play to take the team to win is what matters, not just being crowd puller.. in his inns of 36 we saw him huffing and pufffing and played a tired shot to get out. He is simply not good enough for int’l level with his fatty fitness levels
 
I think the debate should be settled now , umar akmal hasnt improved and gets out the same way every single time. Someone needs to tell him that there are other modes of dismissals like bowled , runout etc.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
So,


Umar Akmal has scored 100 (117) in 3 losing causes at an @ of 33.33 and a SR of 86.



Equation for him is simple now.



1. He has to score a fifty in 4th or 5th innings.


2. He has to pass the fitness Test on 14th April.



If he fails to do this than He will be dropped and Asif Ali/Sohaib Maqsood will replace him. (Upcoming Pakistan Cup performances imp)
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So unless Akmal scores a 50 he will be dropped and replaced by hacks who are even worse? I don't see the logic I must confess.
 
He's fine for T20 cricket where he can just stand and deliver. His poor fitness levels don't affect him too much because he only faces a few deliveries but any other form of cricket is beyond him. After 30 or 40 balls faced he's spent and barely has the fitness to walk to the other end. What's even funnier is that his fans want him to open! If lucky he will survive a few deliveries, then try to slog as soon as he's out of breath. We need openers who can bat long and lay a foundation. Not slog for a few deliveries and get out because they are out of breath!
 
Hitman said:
Scoring 48, 16 and 36 in 3 matches so far makes him eligible for a return to play the World Cup? :))
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He's competing with Malik and Sarfraz who have been rubbish for months. Akmal at least has a game against pace.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Well since your standards are so mediocre, I am not surprised you are enjoying him batting like a buffoon.
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It is not my standard, but that standard of the team. The standard to which Umar Akmal has to be compared against.

I'm glad I was finally able bring you around to my exact point! Standards for Umar Akmal cannot be different than those set for the others.

If he's outperforming others, however mediocre might that be, it should guarantee him a place in the side.
 
Hitman said:
Scoring 48, 16 and 36 in 3 matches so far makes him eligible for a return to play the World Cup? :))
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Don't look at that in isolation.

He has already outperformed Malik, Sarfraz, Imam, Shan Masood.

He already has better ability to bat at a decent strike rate than all the names I mentioned and can play pace too.

Snowflake said:
I'm okay with his inclusion as long as he's outperforming his counterparts.
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Good post.


Cpt. Rishwat said:
So unless Akmal scores a 50 he will be dropped and replaced by hacks who are even worse? I don't see the logic I must confess.
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Hasan123 said:
He's competing with Malik and Sarfraz who have been rubbish for months. Akmal at least has a game against pace.
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It's good to see people with a good cricketing sense.

Even when Umar is 'bad', he's still much better than all our other batsmen excluding Babar maybe.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Well since your standards are so mediocre, I am not surprised you are enjoying him batting like a buffoon.
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Certainly less mediocre than people who DON'T won't want to drop Malik, Sarfraz, Imam, Shan Masood "BEFORE" talking about dropping Umar Akmal.

Those are much bigger problems and Umar has outperformed them even at his 'worst'.

Where's the logic, Dr.?
 
Hawkeye said:
Certainly less mediocre than people who DON'T won't want to drop Malik, Sarfraz, Imam, Shan Masood "BEFORE" talking about dropping Umar Akmal.

Those are much bigger problems and Umar has outperformed them even at his 'worst'.

Where's the logic, Dr.?
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There was no need of bringing him back if the "same standard" argument was going to be applied.

Most people who wanted him back thought he was Umar Akmal V3.0

Now that they have seen he still plays the same slogging the ball way, they are defending him saying "at least he is better than the other mediocre cricketers".

It would have been more honest to say, he hasnt changed a bit, but because we love his slogs, we need to bring him back.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So unless Akmal scores a 50 he will be dropped and replaced by hacks who are even worse? I don't see the logic I must confess.
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When was the last the last time he scored a 50 in odis?


It was 13 innings ago against west indies in 2015.


Since his hundred against the mighty afghanistan in 2014 ,more than 5 years ago , the guy has only scored 2 50s in 28 innings and averages 23. We are still expecting miracles from him.
 
JibranAnsari said:
When was the last the last time he scored a 50 in odis?


It was 13 innings ago against west indies in 2015.


Since his hundred against the mighty afghanistan in 2014 ,more than 5 years ago , the guy has only scored 2 50s in 28 innings and averages 23. We are still expecting miracles from him.
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I don't expect miracles just to be clear, I have already criticised his fitness issues just a few posts up. But I am comparing with Asif Ali and Maqsood who were suggested as his replacement in the post which I replied to. I consider both to be hacks who won't succeed at the world cup because they are limited sloggers who can only hit rubbish bowlers who give them the ball in their hitting zone. That won't happen at the world cup. Akmal has more chance of hitting a 50 than either of those two in my opinion.
 
Again, just to clarify, I don't think Akmal will be a success at the world cup, but I haven't seen any potential replacement who I am confident will do better. Umar is a very frustrating batsman with poor discipline, but he can smash top class bowling once in a blue moon because he is a naturally gifted batsman. The replacement options just aren't technically capable to handle top class bowling, or at least not the options mentioned so far.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't expect miracles just to be clear, I have already criticised his fitness issues just a few posts up. But I am comparing with Asif Ali and Maqsood who were suggested as his replacement in the post which I replied to. I consider both to be hacks who won't succeed at the world cup because they are limited sloggers who can only hit rubbish bowlers who give them the ball in their hitting zone. That won't happen at the world cup. Akmal has more chance of hitting a 50 than either of those two in my opinion.
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Infact all three are equally inept with masood being the worst of the lot. The problem here I see is people asking akmal to be treated as a proper batsman while never in his career barring the first year he has shown any glimpse that he can be taken seriously as a proper batsman. Asif ali is not considered as a proper batsman , he is a slogger and everyone knows it and frankly he will more likely score the same amount of runs as umar akmal but with high strike rate. If we want to select these hacks then asif ali can be more effective in upping the runrate
 
JibranAnsari said:
Infact all three are equally inept with masood being the worst of the lot. The problem here I see is people asking akmal to be treated as a proper batsman while never in his career barring the first year he has shown any glimpse that he can be taken seriously as a proper batsman. Asif ali is not considered as a proper batsman , he is a slogger and everyone knows it and frankly he will more likely score the same amount of runs as umar akmal but with high strike rate. If we want to select these hacks then asif ali can be more effective in upping the runrate
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Asif Ali will only be effective at slogging if he is batting against Scotland. He's not Sharjeel Khan, when he comes up against top class bowling, he inevitably fails. Akmal has smashed the best previously. Even if he fails more often than not, at least we can see he is capable.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't expect miracles just to be clear, I have already criticised his fitness issues just a few posts up. But I am comparing with Asif Ali and Maqsood who were suggested as his replacement in the post which I replied to. I consider both to be hacks who won't succeed at the world cup because they are limited sloggers who can only hit rubbish bowlers who give them the ball in their hitting zone. That won't happen at the world cup. Akmal has more chance of hitting a 50 than either of those two in my opinion.
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I disagree.. I’d rather have Asif in the team as he’ll better Akmal’s glorious recent record , I cant remember the last time choata Akmal won us a game... in my opinion Imad is better then both at no6
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Asif Ali will only be effective at slogging if he is batting against Scotland. He's not Sharjeel Khan, when he comes up against top class bowling, he inevitably fails. Akmal has smashed the best previously. Even if he fails more often than not, at least we can see he is capable.
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Previously is like 8 years ago , he has built his career against srilanka ,westindies , afghanistan , kenya and ireland. Against the top teams he is no better than asif ali albeit a strike rate under 80.
 
I will take Umar Akmal at 6 in the world cup if his replacements are Asif hack Ali and Shoaib Malik.
 
So many said that he was a changed man after 2 50s in the PSL. Even though both those 2 fifties were full of wild hits and misses.

I really don’t think Umar Akmal will ever change now, if was gonna change it would’ve been now, been out of the team for numerous years and he’s gotten a golden opportunity to secure a place in the World Cup. Now was the time for him to show that he changed.

He’s got ability and his style of play means that he will perform every now and then(like in the PSL) which will again lead to people calling for his comeback but nothing will change
 
I genuinely feel Umar Akmal would have been deadly on these tiny English grounds.

Still not too late. I say send him to England. I have had enough of Malik sahab.

To add Umar Akmal can be a back up keeper as well!
 
gazza619 said:
I genuinely feel Umar Akmal would have been deadly on these tiny English grounds.

Still not too late. I say send him to England. I have had enough of Malik sahab.

To add Umar Akmal can be a back up keeper as well!
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I am a long time fan of umar akmal and there was a time i would watch pakistan matches just for umars batting. However i believe having watched him for a decade is that even though he has "all the shots in the book",, he cant handle pressure. This is a trait you are born with , i believe i.e. some people are cool as ice and others just wilt under pressure. Hence i dont think umar will ever be succedsgul in high pressute situation on a consistant basis.
I wound rather have kamran akmal open the batting with fakthar. Kamran can be our inferior jason roy.
 
Pakistan need Umar Akmal to play pace!

This is do or die for Pakistan. Strong teams will look to bounce out Pakistan and apart from Babar they all look hapless against the short ball. Pakistan need to rush Umar into the squad.
 
I can’t believe we have Imad at 7

Walking in in the 16th over, zero inspiration!
 
I've been saying this for weeks. Following his good run of form in FC, PSL and List A cricket he deserved another chance for the England series on faster wickets. Like Asif Ali, he struggled in the UAE on those sluggish surfaces. Asif managed to redeem himself in England and Umar is a far superior player of pace. If he can survive 25-30 balls, he can score a 50+ knock. That's better than what you'll get from a mentally weak Haris Sohail who will give you similar returns in the runs column, but at a run a ball at best!
 
Inzi didn't listen.

Now we'll pay for his and Mickey's EGO.

Umar Akmal was the one who could have made a difference here and helped us reach the semis/final.
 
Umar Akmal would have most likely had a ********* today. He can't handle this sort of pressure.
 
On 66* for Central Punjab and a century for the taking.
 
Good dynamic batsmen. But Misbah prefers azhar ali type nightwatchmen so let's see if he can make it.
 
Umar Akmal hit a blistering 89 with 10 fours and two sixes for central Punjab
 
So basically he failed to score a century on a pitch that an opposition batsman scored a double hundred and even his lesser "talented" brother scored a century! "Awesome performance" ��
 
Shaka81 said:
So basically he failed to score a century on a pitch that an opposition batsman scored a double hundred and even his lesser "talented" brother scored a century! "Awesome performance" ��
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you do realize that pitch conditions changes right? He outscored everyone else in his team with a decent strike rate including Babar Azam who failed to get a start...
 
Back in the T20I squad for series against Sri Lanka.
 
Speaking on PCB video :


"Matches will happen in Lahore and I will be playing in front of my home crowd, and so I am really excited about that, I have big goals for this and will try and perform really well here"

"If I do perform well, I will dedicate that performance to my mother and my father-in-laws names and Inshallah will make a permanent place in the team for myself"
 
Not working out for Umar, am afraid! 0 on comeback.
 
Didn't waste too many balls today:

Out for a golden duck, lazy shot to a straight ball that he could have whipped through the mid on or mid wicket region.
 
:))) This guy is more entertaining than Viv+ Sehwag + Gilchrist combined.
 
Saj said:
Didn't waste too many balls today:

Out for a golden duck, lazy shot to a straight ball that he could have whipped through the mid on or mid wicket region.
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:))) Did he have green lipstick on though
 
MenInG said:
Speaking on PCB video :


"Matches will happen in Lahore and I will be playing in front of my home crowd, and so I am really excited about that, I have big goals for this and will try and perform really well here"

"If I do perform well, I will dedicate that performance to my mother and my father-in-laws names and Inshallah will make a permanent place in the team for myself"
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so he made a victory speech before even performing?
 
MenInG said:
Speaking on PCB video :


"Matches will happen in Lahore and I will be playing in front of my home crowd, and so I am really excited about that, I have big goals for this and will try and perform really well here"

"If I do perform well, I will dedicate that performance to my mother and my father-in-laws names and Inshallah will make a permanent place in the team for myself"
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Hopefully he decides to pull back the dedication of today’s performance
 
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