[VIDEO] Waqar Younis advice to Haris Rauf during innings break at Edgbaston

[MenInG]

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Wonder if Waqar should have had this word at the start of the series or is he totally fed up with the likes of Haris?

 

[UzmanBeast]

"Bhai dando pe daalo, warna balla khane kil ye tayar raho"

 

[Saj]

Lengthy chat today between Waqar and Rauf.

The video only captures part of the animated discussion.

It looked like Waqar was really making things clear for Haris regarding what was expected of him and where his fielders would be and bowling to the field.

 

[unemployedgm]

Bowling is far more nuanced than reducing it to one line and one field.

 

[MenInG]

Bowling is far more nuanced than reducing it to one line and one field.

Which is even stranger in this case as Waqar has had many months to work with Rauf, yet results not there.

 

[unemployedgm]

Which is even stranger in this case as Waqar has had many months to work with Rauf, yet results not there.

I guess we agree. The way that we teach and develop cricketers in Pakistan is completely outdated. The idea shouldn't be to copy Australia, but to go beyond the boundaries of cricket to find solutions. A more modern approach to bowling can be found in Baseball.

I will keep saying this until I am no more, we have no idea how to structure an over. We have simplified bowling, which is a complex subject to bowl in one area to one field. There's more to it than that.

 

[OmarKhan99]

I guess we agree. The way that we teach and develop cricketers in Pakistan is completely outdated. The idea shouldn't be to copy Australia, but to go beyond the boundaries of cricket to find solutions. A more modern approach to bowling can be found in Baseball.

I will keep saying this until I am no more, we have no idea how to structure an over. We have simplified bowling, which is a complex subject to bowl in one area to one field. There's more to it than that.

While the sport itself is nuanced, the game can be boiled down to some basic fundamentals. I can't really tell what Waqar is saying there, but if I were to wager a guess it's going to be the simple last minute reminder: keep it straight, keep it tight, no freebies (half-volleys, short-and-wide) and you'll be good.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Haris Rauf showed the best and worst aspects of his bowling today.

He's at his best when he's bowling quick and full. And if he starts bowling a consistent line than he can be very threatening.

He's at his worst though when he doesn't use his brain and bowls absolute rubbish at the worst possible time. The two half trackers to Gregory that he rightly smashed for six were a prime example of that and might just have sunk the game for us.

 

[Saj]

Wickets today but still some very average deliveries.

It's almost like he has to bowl one or two terrible balls every over.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Which is even stranger in this case as Waqar has had many months to work with Rauf, yet results not there.

You can't blame Waqar for Rauf not using his brain. There was no rationale for Rauf bowling those two half-trackers to Gregory at that stage of the game, which he smashed for six.

Far too much responsibility is placed on Waqar and Misbah here. Players should be responsible for their failures first and foremost.

 

[unemployedgm]

While the sport itself is nuanced, the game can be boiled down to some basic fundamentals. I can't really tell what Waqar is saying there, but if I were to wager a guess it's going to be the simple last minute reminder: keep it straight, keep it tight, no freebies (half-volleys, short-and-wide) and you'll be good.

Is this something that we need to say to bowlers? Everything you said seems obvious. What isn't obvious your approach to getting batsman out? Structuring your Over? Your Spell?

 

[Yk313]

Haris Rauf showed the best and worst aspects of his bowling today.

He's at his best when he's bowling quick and full. And if he starts bowling a consistent line than he can be very threatening.

He's at his worst though when he doesn't use his brain and bowls absolute rubbish at the worst possible time. The two half trackers to Gregory that he rightly smashed for six were a prime example of that and might just have sunk the game for us.

Regarding Your last paragraph: I don’t think it is because he loses his brain and bowls rubbish. Think it’s more because he does not have the control / ability to land the ball where he wants to.

No bowler can land all six balls on the same spot and there are few who have come close since the advent of cricket.

As things stand, Rauf, is not a bowler anyway so exempt from this discussion. Things would have to change drastically for him to maintain a place in the side.

 

[Jabo]

Waqar was probably telling him how much he get paids and he doesn't even need to coach

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Regarding Your last paragraph: I don’t think it is because he loses his brain and bowls rubbish. Think it’s more because he does not have the control / ability to land the ball where he wants to.

No bowler can land all six balls on the same spot and there are few who have come close since the advent of cricket.

As things stand, Rauf, is not a bowler anyway so exempt from this discussion. Things would have to change drastically for him to maintain a place in the side.

Nobody expects him to land every single ball in one area. But if you are insinuating that he can't bowl 4-5 full deliveries in an over than I'm afraid you're deeply mistaken because I have seen him bowl 4-5 full deliveries in one over. Even today he could have bowled a number of different deliveries as compared to the two dreadful and nearly identical half-trackers that he actually bowled; both of which were smashed for six.

Rauf has alot more going for him than most fast-bowlers in the Pakistan set-up. Your comments give me the idea that you have not seen him bowl much. Because if you did you would know he was Pakistan's best bowler in South Africa: a series in which everyone was taken to the cleaners. Even today he bowled a sharp opening spell. But his biggest problem is that he doesn't always use his brain and this has been a recurring theme in both internationals and PSL.

 

[OmarKhan99]

Is this something that we need to say to bowlers? Everything you said seems obvious. What isn't obvious your approach to getting batsman out? Structuring your Over? Your Spell?

That's precisely the point. The fact that he has to drill in the basics into our International bowlers is what's infuriating. I don't think he'd be animated/annoyed when he'd be explaining how to approach a particular batsman and how Haris could get them out. The innings break is certainly not the time to discuss actual plans (you do that days/weeks prior), you just reiterate the basics and hope it sticks in the adrenaline-bound players.

Also, it's not really that simple if the bowlers don't seem to doing it or learning from it.

 

[Savak]

Waqar played cricket in a very different era where the fast yorker at the stumps was the best weapon at the death, this is the T-20 era where modern batsmen have answers to the fast yorker at the stumps. You now need to able able to bowl 6 different deliveries in the over. Waqar at the end of his career when batsmen were becoming more and more aggressive in international cricket struggled badly and was routinely massacred at the death. I question whether he is the right man to take our bowling unit forward. And it is not a given whether he even prepares the bowlers properly and gives them the right guidance.

 

[IMMY69]

As much as I think Waqar should be spending his time doing something else, I'm also of the view that you can't do much with a bowler once they've made their international debut.

The only thing you can do is to give them confidence and advice, impart your experience... help right the mental aspect of bowling. But you're not going to make an average bowler into a good bowler once they're already playing international cricket.

Likewise with batting

 

[Savak]

As much as I think Waqar should be spending his time doing something else, I'm also of the view that you can't do much with a bowler once they've made their international debut.

The only thing you can do is to give them confidence and advice, impart your experience... help right the mental aspect of bowling. But you're not going to make an average bowler into a good bowler once they're already playing international cricket.

Likewise with batting

Waqar does not have experience in the modern ODI and T-20 era. He was routinely smashed in his final days as limited overs cricket was evolving.

 

[OmarKhan99]

Waqar does not have experience in the modern ODI and T-20 era. He was routinely smashed in his final days as limited overs cricket was evolving.

Waqar Younis' tactics of bowling in-dipping yorkers aren't outdated. If they were, then the most prominent proponent of those tactics wouldn't have been the highest wicket taker and head-and-shoulders the best bowler in both of the last two WCs.

Waqar Younis' injuries took the sting and rhythm out of his bowling in the latter part of his career, a bit like what the current lot of Starc/Bumrah/Rabada/Archer are facing.

 

[IMMY69]

Waqar does not have experience in the modern ODI and T-20 era. He was routinely smashed in his final days as limited overs cricket was evolving.

I agree that's why I started by saying I don't think he should be the coach

 

[Golden arm]

Wickets today but still some very average deliveries.

It's almost like he has to bowl one or two terrible balls every over.

You can't blame him
It's the lack of process and lack of his exposure in first class
Give him 2 years of first class he would be reasonably consistent if not gold

 

[muqarrab]

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Wonder if Waqar should have had this word at the start of the series or is he totally fed up with the likes of Haris?

What are thes professionals? Coaches job is not to baby sit professionals and reminding them again and again to do the same thing

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Wickets today but still some very average deliveries.

It's almost like he has to bowl one or two terrible balls every over.

It seems he might soon loose his position to Shahnawaz Dahani.

 

[Rana]

It seems he might soon loose his position to Shahnawaz Dahani.

Why Rauf and not Shaheen Afridi?

 

[Yk313]

Nobody expects him to land every single ball in one area. But if you are insinuating that he can't bowl 4-5 full deliveries in an over than I'm afraid you're deeply mistaken because I have seen him bowl 4-5 full deliveries in one over. Even today he could have bowled a number of different deliveries as compared to the two dreadful and nearly identical half-trackers that he actually bowled; both of which were smashed for six.

Rauf has alot more going for him than most fast-bowlers in the Pakistan set-up. Your comments give me the idea that you have not seen him bowl much. Because if you did you would know he was Pakistan's best bowler in South Africa: a series in which everyone was taken to the cleaners. Even today he bowled a sharp opening spell. But his biggest problem is that he doesn't always use his brain and this has been a recurring theme in both internationals and PSL.

Oh, I fully agree I have not watched him bowl a lot. I don’t watch any of PSL, IPL or any of the other Ls. I also whole-heartedly admit that I certainly have watched less cricket in 2010s than in the earlier decades.

Sorry, to be clear I have no hesitancy in believing that he’s not clued in - him and the rest of our team / squad in this regard. I feel that in his case it is much more about control than brains. He’s been playing for a while in both ODIs and T20Is so he is aware what needs to be done in various situations. Not to mention that it is pretty easy to get messages out to the field in this day and age, have different players in the XI communicate / remind the bowler if messages and more or less plan each over, each spell (if a bowler requires that level of micromanagement).

I would like to see be able to bowl in good areas consistently and prise wickets rather than have them handed to him with batsmen going gung ho. So far, I am yet to see any semblance of what is normally referred to as a bowler.

 

[sweep_shot]

All the advises should happen before the game.

Advising during a game can make the player lose confidence.

 

[shamaan]

Why Rauf and not Shaheen Afridi?

Shaheen has performance what performance has Rauf had ?

 

[Bewal Express]

Wickets today but still some very average deliveries.

It's almost like he has to bowl one or two terrible balls every over.

As I said the other day, his action doesn't repeat and unfortunately that ain't going away soon. Ironically, he may be suited to test cricket best as batsman are looking to preserve their wickets and that will take some pressure off him.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

All the advises should happen before the game.

Advising during a game can make the player lose confidence.

True. coaches should only be concerned with motivating the players during a game. I wonder what did Waqar do with the bowlers before the game if he has to teach them like a school coach during the break.

 

[Savak]

All the advises should happen before the game.

Advising during a game can make the player lose confidence.

What rubbish. If a bowler is doing something wrong, the coach should just stay silent and say or do nothing wrong? Wrong, the coach has to be proactive.

 

[Savak]

Rauf definately needs to be made to play 4 day cricket. I believe he started playing cricket at a late stage.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Rauf definately needs to be made to play 4 day cricket. I believe he started playing cricket at a late stage.

Don’t think he will and I also think he shouldn’t.

He’s 27, he probably has another 6-7 years left before retiring from International cricket. Playing the longer format will decrease the longevity of his cricket career, it’s better if he plays in T20 leagues all around the world and also T20’s for Pak.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

he just bowls with no brain , reminds me of Muhammad Sami.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

This is what you get when you throw in hala lala bowlers like Rauf into ODI and Tests. He is a limited T20 bowler at best.

 

[Saj]

He's just slowed his pace down in the last over he's bowled - concentrate on his length, bowled a couple of yorkers.

So much better control.

 

[MenInG]

He's just slowed his pace down in the last over he's bowled - concentrate on his length, bowled a couple of yorkers.

So much better control.

Seems Waqar's tips before start of the game helped Haris

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[Saj]

Before the T20 at Nottingham, Waqar had put markers down for the bowlers as to the length he wanted them to bowl. He moved the markers around and was having long chats with them.

Sometimes though it looks like it's in one ear and out the other.

 

[shamaan]

What rubbish. If a bowler is doing something wrong, the coach should just stay silent and say or do nothing wrong? Wrong, the coach has to be proactive.

I think it depends about the person and how many experience he has.how many times have you seen a coach be pro active during the game ?