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[VIDEO] Was Jeff Thomson an all-time great fast bowler?

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In terms of speed Jeff Thomson was the equivalent of a super express train.He would hurl down a cricket ball creating the impact of thunder and lightning or an explosion..Before a batsmen could count Jack Robinson the ball would either shatter his stumps or strike him on his chest or gloves.No adjective could adequately describe Jeff Thomson's pace.His most common dismissal was getting a batsmen touching a rising ball onto his gloves to the keeper .Thomson's bounce was more disconcerting than any paceman ever where the ball visciously rose from a good length.Viv Richards,the greatest batsmen of his day thought Thomson at his quickest was the most lethal paceman he ever faced.Electronically he was the fastest bowler of his time ,faster than Lillee,Holding,Roberts or Imran.

In 1945-75 versus England and in 1975-76 versus West Indies Thomson was marginally more successful than his partner ,the great Dennis Lillee.(29 in 5tets v England and 33 in 6 test versus West Indies)Arguably the bouncy tracks suited Thomson's pure speed in contrast to Lillee's subtle variations.Thomson literally created a blitzkreig of a military tank and blasted out the opposition.The likes of Viv Richards,Clive Lloyd,Tony Greig were all tormented.However an injury caused by a collision at Brisbane in the 1st test of the 1976-77 series v Pakistan created a setback in Jeff Thomson's career and he could never again retrieve the same speed,consistently.In 1977 in England or in 1977-78 versus India he was only 3/4 of his original self.However on some occasions he was almost equally quick versus West Indies in the Carribean in 1977-78 and in Packer cricket in West Indies in 1979.In one supertest at Barbados he made the impact of a dynamite exploding in a spell,removing the likes of Viv Richards and Clive Lloyd.Had Thomson been fully fit and played in the supertests in Australia in 1977-78 nad 1978-79 Australia may well have won both the supertset titles and Viv Richardswould have been fully tested,jut like Greg Chappell or Sunil Gavaskar amongst contemporaries.

Where Thomson failed was when he lost a few yards of pace he did not posess the ,variations or craft of Andy Roberts,Dennis Lillee or Imran Khan who effectively utilized the weapon of swing and slower balls.Arguably all 3 were better bowlers overall at a marginaly reduced speed when they made their overall bowling armoury more potent with variations in movement.In the first part of his career he captured 5 wickets per test.Several critiques including me rate Michael Holding ahead rating him consistently quicker because of his his speed through the air.I believe at his fastest maybe only Shoaib Akhtar edged Thomson.

Dennis Lillee and Greg Chappell clas Jeff Thomson amongst the all-time great paceman .Greg rates him behind only Lillee,Andy Roberts and Malcolm Marshall while Lillee places Thommo only behind Andy Roberts and John Snow.Thomson fails to find a place amongst John Woodcocks and Cristopher Martin Jenkins all-time 100 but is placed at 91st pace in Geoff Armstrong's best 100 cricketers of all time.Armstrong rates Thomson ahead of Alan Donald,Bob Willis,Wes Hall or Courtney Walsh.In my book Donald and Hall were marginally ahead of Thomson.

I may rate Jeff the fastest of all paceman but still not in the class of all-time great pace bowlers like Lillee.Marshall,Akram,Mcgrath,Hadlee,Imran Roberts or Holding.He could could combine swing or variations into his armoury and was not tested on sub-continent surfaces.However I may well be wrong as some great batsmen and pace bowlers rate him the most lethal paceman of his time or of all time.The closest to Thomson in terms of speed were Shoaib Akhtar,Bret Lee,Waqar Younus ,Alan Donald and Sylvester Clarke.

Few sights in International sport could be as exhilarating as watching Jeff Thomson hurl down a delivery in full cry.It was seeing a bomber shattering an airbase.If I asked a batsmen who would he rather face between Lillee and Thomson he would probably not have an answer.At his best Thomson may have been a more daunting propistion for Sachin Tendulkar than Glen Mcgrath.
 
Not ATG, but he was very good, exceptionally scary to face and a brilliant foil to the real hard man Lillee.
 
Non an ATG or even great, but definetly one of the fastest and nastiest bowlers in the history of the game.
 
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Imagine Thompson, Akhtar, Lee and pre-injury Waqar bowling in tandem at Waca. Just imagine... :malcolm

Whilst Mitchell Johnson is at bench :D
 
Fastest ever bowler but not an all time great
 
Imagine Thompson, Akhtar, Lee and pre-injury Waqar bowling in tandem at Waca. Just imagine... :malcolm

Whilst Mitchell Johnson is at bench :D

Lee was rubbish in Tests. Replace him with Johnson. Now that's one scary pace attack.
 
I say yes. Stats arent everything. JT put the fear of God into batsmen. He was a real demon. Makes my AT Aus XI so certainly a country great.
 
No. I'm sure the fans were thrilled whenever he came on to bowl and loved watching him play. I love watching the videos and interviews, he was a unique character.

But not a atg bowler.

He's with Gillespie, Lee, Johnson, McDermott, McKenzie, Davidson in our 2nd tier of fast bowlers.

Lillee & McGrath top bracket (you could argue Miller but I'll leave him as an all-rounder category for this one).
 
No. I'm sure the fans were thrilled whenever he came on to bowl and loved watching him play. I love watching the videos and interviews, he was a unique character.

But not a atg bowler.

He's with Gillespie, Lee, Johnson, McDermott, McKenzie, Davidson in our 2nd tier of fast bowlers.

Lillee & McGrath top bracket (you could argue Miller but I'll leave him as an all-rounder category for this one).

Yes obviously below DKL and GM but for me better than the rest.
 
Thommo and Shoaib are similar. Two fantastic, box office bowlers. However, neither did enough to be given ATG status. A mixture of injuries, disciplinary issues and inconsistent spells cost both dearly.

Shoaib had vast talent and should have been an ATG but underachieved. Thommo was similar.
 
Thommo and Shoaib are similar. Two fantastic, box office bowlers. However, neither did enough to be given ATG status. A mixture of injuries, disciplinary issues and inconsistent spells cost both dearly.

Shoaib had vast talent and should have been an ATG but underachieved. Thommo was similar.

Maybe that comes with the territory Waqar, thommo, imran akhter all suffered from serious injuries

Also Youve got to have a certain mongrel to bowl at 100mph hence maybe the disciplinary issues People may say brett lee wasnt like that but lee was also not as effective in tests as these guys
 
I think Thommo lacked a bit of focus compared to contemporaries Lillee, Roberts, Holding and Willis.
 
If speed is everything then he was. If we are talking of longevity and consistency of a bowler then in my opinion he was not. I do not regard him as an all time great but on his day could be lethal. A bit like Brett Lee I would say.
 
Maybe that comes with the territory Waqar, thommo, imran akhter all suffered from serious injuries

Also Youve got to have a certain mongrel to bowl at 100mph hence maybe the disciplinary issues People may say brett lee wasnt like that but lee was also not as effective in tests as these guys


True.

Waqar, however, is an undisputed ATG.
 
No. I'm sure the fans were thrilled whenever he came on to bowl and loved watching him play. I love watching the videos and interviews, he was a unique character.

But not a atg bowler.

He's with Gillespie, Lee, Johnson, McDermott, McKenzie, Davidson in our 2nd tier of fast bowlers.

Lillee & McGrath top bracket (you could argue Miller but I'll leave him as an all-rounder category for this one).
I agree that Thommo is not a true ATG but I must challenge two of the other rankings there.

Alan Davidson is at least level with, and probably ahead of, Wasim Akram as the GOAT left-arm bowler. He is definitely in the same bracket as Lillee and McGrath. He had a Test bowling average of 20!!!!!!!

But also I’d put Jason Gillespie in there too. His performances deteriorated beyond the age of 30 like Waqar Younis because both had very physical actions. But Jason Gillespie at his peak was at least as good as Glenn McGrath - but only for 4 years.

As for Thommo, as we’ve discussed on another thread he was measured on the most accurate devices ever used in cricket at 159 and 160K. He was certainly Express in pace, but he didn’t swing or seam it: he just relied on extreme pace and steepling bounce.

Thommo was terrifying on Aussie wickets and also in the West Indies. But on soft English wickets and slow Pakistani ones he could be fairly easy to play.
 
I agree that Thommo is not a true ATG but I must challenge two of the other rankings there.

Alan Davidson is at least level with, and probably ahead of, Wasim Akram as the GOAT left-arm bowler. He is definitely in the same bracket as Lillee and McGrath. He had a Test bowling average of 20!!!!!!!

But also I’d put Jason Gillespie in there too. His performances deteriorated beyond the age of 30 like Waqar Younis because both had very physical actions. But Jason Gillespie at his peak was at least as good as Glenn McGrath - but only for 4 years.

As for Thommo, as we’ve discussed on another thread he was measured on the most accurate devices ever used in cricket at 159 and 160K. He was certainly Express in pace, but he didn’t swing or seam it: he just relied on extreme pace and steepling bounce.

Thommo was terrifying on Aussie wickets and also in the West Indies. But on soft English wickets and slow Pakistani ones he could be fairly easy to play.

Gillespie in England seemed to beat the bat numerous times without getting a nick, like Wasim did. I think he bowled half a yard too short here.

Concur on Davo. Superlative catcher too.
 
I agree that Thommo is not a true ATG but I must challenge two of the other rankings there.

Alan Davidson is at least level with, and probably ahead of, Wasim Akram as the GOAT left-arm bowler. He is definitely in the same bracket as Lillee and McGrath. He had a Test bowling average of 20!!!!!!!

But also I’d put Jason Gillespie in there too. His performances deteriorated beyond the age of 30 like Waqar Younis because both had very physical actions. But Jason Gillespie at his peak was at least as good as Glenn McGrath - but only for 4 years.

As for Thommo, as we’ve discussed on another thread he was measured on the most accurate devices ever used in cricket at 159 and 160K. He was certainly Express in pace, but he didn’t swing or seam it: he just relied on extreme pace and steepling bounce.

Thommo was terrifying on Aussie wickets and also in the West Indies. But on soft English wickets and slow Pakistani ones he could be fairly easy to play.

Well you can put Gillespie and Davidson alongside Wasim & McGrath if you like but the difference is stark & you'd be Robsinson Crusoe there. No one else who saw them all play (Richie Benaud along others) or Gillespie & McGrath together would, or has out them in the same bracket
 
Well you can put Gillespie and Davidson alongside Wasim & McGrath if you like but the difference is stark & you'd be Robsinson Crusoe there. No one else who saw them all play (Richie Benaud along others) or Gillespie & McGrath together would, or has out them in the same bracket
On the contrary, I have never heard anyone who saw both Wasim Akram and Alan Davidson bowl (or bat) state that Wasim Akram was better than Davidson.

Pretty much everyone says “too close to call”, with the exception of Davidson’s contemporaries like Benaud and Sobers who say that Davidson was the better bowler.
 
On the contrary, I have never heard anyone who saw both Wasim Akram and Alan Davidson bowl (or bat) state that Wasim Akram was better than Davidson.

Pretty much everyone says “too close to call”, with the exception of Davidson’s contemporaries like Benaud and Sobers who say that Davidson was the better bowler.

Davidson played his last test in the early 60s when cricket was yet to become a professional sport. In essence there is no comparison between Davidson and Wasim Akram.
 
Davidson played his last test in the early 60s when cricket was yet to become a professional sport. In essence there is no comparison between Davidson and Wasim Akram.

Everyone was professional by the 1960s.

Even the Graces made money out of cricket.
 
Lol!
Are u for serious?

Just look at his record and his average! He bowled primarily on batting paradises and captured nearly 400 sky’s st s crazy 23 average!!

A true ATG in any era and any format

I was talking about Waqar -nearly 400 wkts at average of 23 - bowling mainly on batting paradises!! A truly wonderful ATG bowler.
 
[VIDEO] Jeff the Wacko Thommo (Jeff Thompson): The real terror of the past!

Video speaks for itself, I don't think I have seen anyone bowl with such terror and hostility with such a casual approach. Unfortunately injuries took the toll on his body and he didn't get as many wickets as he should have. But, take a look and see why many regard him as one of the (if not the) fastest ever:


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Read some of the comments as well to get an insight into a video that is not as high quality though
 
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Thommo was quicker than Dennis the menace and the guy was a psycho.
 
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Somehow it was his demeanour which must have scared batsmen as well.
 
No disrespect to the batsmen that faced up to him, but you'd have to be an absolute maniac to play Thommo without a helmet or some kind of protection for your head. Every ball would be like trying to dodge a speeding car on the highway.
 
I don’t know you guys might say I sound stupid but he looks really slow in this video
 
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Only fast bowler in history to bowl at over 180 kph.

It is safe to say Sir Jeff Thompson is the second greatest most threatening pacer of all time after Sir Harold Larwood.
 
Only fast bowler in history to bowl at over 180 kph.

It is safe to say Sir Jeff Thompson is the second greatest most threatening pacer of all time after Sir Harold Larwood.

Rodney Marsh and the man himself seriously claimed that his speeds went up to 170 kmph :))

I don't doubt him being the fastest bowler ever though.
 
Not better than Shoaib as quoted from [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] he does not have Jazbaa,daleri,badmaashi,jaanbaazi as Shoaib has that all ingredients.
 
Not better than Shoaib as quoted from [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] he does not have Jazbaa,daleri,badmaashi,jaanbaazi as Shoaib has that all ingredients.

My dear brother Jeffrey was called wild thang in his days. He was full of all the vital elements of fast bowling as defined by the great Shoaib Akhtar who was the most devastating fast bowler of his era.
 
Rodney Marsh and the man himself seriously claimed that his speeds went up to 170 kmph :))

I don't doubt him being the fastest bowler ever though.

Please keep in mind while bowlers have become slower now but the speed guns have become more accurate and much faster.

Old speed guns were not very accurate. They were quite slow and showed most speedsters slower than they actually were.
 
Look at where the keeper is standing, the reaction of the batsmen who are used to playing quick bowlers without protection and the way the keeper is taking the deliveries.

Thommo was ridiculously fast, certainly in the express category
 
Not quite in the Shoib Akhtar/Brett Lee league as far as pace goes. However definetly the quickest of those 70s and 80s bowlers. Heck I even think Shane Bond at his quickest was quicker than Thompson.
 
Shoiab Akhtar and Sami would be wayyy faster than the quickest Thompson and Lillee could muster up.
 
Keeper isn't standing that far back and I say that Is a good indication of pace but he is rapid I would say 147/155 but hey I'm no expert.
 
Shoiab Akhtar and Sami would be wayyy faster than the quickest Thompson and Lillee could muster up.

I don't think so. Pre-1976 shoulder dislocation, Thommo was at rocketspeed. That javelin action imparted terrific pace, and Garneresque lift too.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">☝️ 200 Test wickets at 28<br>&#55357;&#56720; Eight five-wicket hauls for <a href="https://twitter.com/CricketAus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CricketAus</a> <br>&#55356;&#57294;️ One of the fastest bowlers of all time<br><br>Happy birthday to Aussie great, Jeff Thomson &#55356;&#57218; <a href="https://t.co/Dmvwf032hy">pic.twitter.com/Dmvwf032hy</a></p>— ICC (@ICC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1427091764922433536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I know stats aren't everything but it's hard to compare someone outside of stats if you didn't actually see them play. The gulf between him and his own teammate Lillee is noticeable. Lillee took 355 wkts in 70 tests (ave of 24 and S/R of 52) vs Thompson who took 200 wkts in 50 tests (ave of 28 and 52-53 SR).

Compare Thompson's stats to someone like Shoaib Akhtar for example who took 178 wkts in 46 tests (ave of 25-26 and an astonishing S/R of 46) and Shoaib comes out on top. If your definition of all-time ATG includes Shoaib, then I think it could include Thompson as well. But most of us probably have a more strict definition of ATG so I think both of these guys, as fearsome as they were, wouldn't make ATG lists just based on bowling skill and results.
 
  • 200 Test wickets at an average of 28
  • Eight five-wicket hauls for Australia
  • One of the fastest bowlers of all time
  • 100 out of his 200 Test wickets were against England
Happy Birthday to the legendary "Thommo" Jeff Thomson.
 
  • 200 Test wickets at an average of 28
  • Eight five-wicket hauls for Australia
  • One of the fastest bowlers of all time
  • 100 out of his 200 Test wickets were against England
Happy Birthday to the legendary "Thommo" Jeff Thomson.
Happy Birthday! And he achieved that speed without injecting himself with nandrolone, neither did he chuck, nor did he try to steal wickets.
 
When I was young I always wondered who was this Lilian Thompson they kept talking about on the radio.
 
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