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i dont think amir sohail or rambo got as much stick as was does, he is a truly dire commentator, just reads what ever is on screen. he's much better in this kinda environment where someone is their to direct him, and fakhar does a great job of it, very discretely.
The graphics designers must love Wasim - he reads every syllable on the screen with such care.
"And it's 8.37pm on the 16th"
I think it’s could be the language barrier but also sharing with naught as a commie is an art form. If you watch the pavilion, you will notice how amazingly technical an insight he has on everything. In fact, They all do (Was, Waqar, Misbah, Malik, etc, Wahab the last time), after all these are pros who have gone through the top most level.
Using this technical expertise as commentator during the course of the game is a skill though. Botham is not so great either as say Gower or Bumble, etc. Nas is awesome. Similarly Gavasker is great, Shastri not so much, Harsha sounds great but he is not very technical. You get all sorts, but English skills are not the only thing needed here.
Waqar flukes his way into making wise comments sometimes, but in general he appears to be dumb.I like Waqar's comments most of the time, but WA doesn;t make much sense when commenting.
Salman Iqbal, the owner of Ary group and A sports, claims that the Pavilion show matches the audience and ratings of the the politcal talk show ratings that they get through ARY.
Thats how good the show is.
Meanwhile PTV has a dumb show with a dumb name as Game on hai, where everyone speaks on top of everyone, you cant listen to anyone.
You should had seen yesterdays episode of the Pavilion, Waseem Akram kept saying indirectly that on Game on hai the only thing they do is talk about the color of your pants and how much you are getting paid and personal vendettas are shown. They dont talk about cricket or anything relevent. I remember last year, PTV had made its small studio a bus adda where 10 people were sitting in a small cramped room. THey bought foreign guests, yet couldn't improve on the quality of the show
Well he does have somewhat of a point, but Pakistani fans are also right aswell.
Like we hate Rameez Raja as commentator but the same time like Danny Morrison who is pretty terrible.
I always hated Waqar Younis as he talks nonsense most of the time. Plus Rameez, Waqar and Waseem dont come prepared and rely on the support staff to provide with them info and stats.
One of the reasons why I used to enjoy watching a Test series vs England is because of the technical commentary that goes on by Michael holding and Atherton.
Our commentators dont do technical stuff. Even if you watch the Pavilion, its always Misbah giving the technical detail. Waqar Younis talks from his behind, and Waseem Akram seems to have no clue, and only complains about youngsters of today or will resort to talking about back in the day. I dont mind what Waseem Akram talks about though.
Now Misbah is someone that can do technicle stuff, but as a commentator he would be abit boring as he doesnt have the voice for it.
Meanwhile, Waseem Akram and Rameez Raja have the voice for commentary but dont know the technicle aspects.
This is why I love listening to Michael Holding and the Sky team because they not only commentate well but go into the technicle aspects.
I think broadcasters that work in Pakistan can improve on this. Instead of doing a stupid interview of Hamaray Heroes while the match goes on, they can do a coaches corner segment. In the coaches corner segment, someone like Misbah or Wahab Riaz can be invited for 4-6 mins who can give some insight regarding the on going game and than move on.
Wasim and Waqar are really bad commentators. It's like they are having a conversation and their accent is really annoying. You would think having spent time in the west their accent would be more polished. Poorly spoken broken english does not make good commentary. They should stick to doing urdu commentary for ptv.
I prefer Bazid and Ramiz, even Aamer Sohail but whenever a Pakistan match comes on my ears start hurting when these 2 start speaking.
Pakistan actually does have quality commentators. Young Sikander Bakht is eloquent, articulate, measured and will always pose interesting questions. Bazid is alright when he’s not trying to be excitable. Sana Mir regularly makes good technical points, however she suffers because she’s not naturally articulate and can stammer through her words at times. She’s a better pundit than a commentator.
Too much is made of how the commentators are- none add anything to my understanding bar Athers and Hussain. If you need a commentator to tell whats happening on screen then you to go back to basics of cricket.
Wasim Akram stopped coming into the PTV Sports game on hai show in 2017. He demanded that either they increase his remuneration significantly for him to come to the studio in Islamabad from Karachi or they accept his analysis on the phone from Karachi for the price they were paying him.
PTV Sports decided to let him go as he wasn't really bringing in much sponsorship to the show and felt his demands were not feasible.
A Sports offered Wasim the presidency without any fuss on whether he was qualified for the job. It's incredible how he came off unscathed from the Karachi Kings debacle given that he was the main guy in charge of the franchise operations and was present at the draft. In Pakistan if you are a legend and a super star you can get away with anything.
You should watch the pavilion. I find some of his stuff fascinating.Not only is Wasim Akram one of the worst commentators in Pakistan, he's easily one of the worst cricketing analysts also.
The 2Ws are really bad at analyzing the tactical aspects of bowling. They most of times have no clue about the field placements & the type of line & length required to succeed against specific batsmen. Simon Doul and Ian Bishop are miles ahead of them in analyzing the game situations and telling viewers the reasons behind specific bowling strategies.I feel people are unnecessarily harsh on 2 Ws here. When they talk about bowling, what is wrong/right the bowler doing, why the previous ball was at wrong/right line or lengthas per the field setting etc then they are probably the best I listen to.
Expecting them to be good about techincal details of batting or fielding is something I don't expect.
The problem with Wasim & Waqar is they remain in isolation and their commentary doesn't relate with the match as they lack the required info about players overall whats happening around and add to it their woeful language just not goes on, TBH none of the Pak commentators is world class
Remember these guys are from pind and most likely learned it through exposure they got, not everyone is Imran khan.
In all seriousness, I don't mind Wasim's commentary as much as some. Occasionally he provides decent bowling analysis. He was a bowling coach in IPL for many years. On ASports he asks pertinent questions and genuinely tries to understand modern players' thinking.
However his knowledge of the domestic circuit is almost nonexistent.
Waqar generally struggles to recall what happened in a previous match or series, and rarely tells you anything beyond what you can already see.
It's Misbah who provides the tactical insight. His knowledge about different venues and how to tailor your strategies is impressive. It makes you wonder why we saw so many tactical and selection errors on his watch as a coach.
Some of the banter and self-congratulation is a bit annoying. The use of data and analytics could be improved - that's why I'm not always a fan of having panels entirely composed of ex-players.
I feel the criticism directed at them isnt just targeted at their lack of grasp on the English language but also overall quality that they provide.
Wasim is probably the worst offender when it comes to that. Hes a stat reading machine, right upto the 3rd decimal place. twice an over. I cant ever remember him providing a truly interesting insight into a match's proceedings. At this point he has labelled atleast 10 different people as ''one of the fielders in Pakistan" at different points of time.
I know English isnt his first language but surely learning new stock words shouldnt be this hard. We've grown sick of the endless repitition of ''sure" and "i suppose" fillers.
In all seriousness, I don't mind Wasim's commentary as much as some. Occasionally he provides decent bowling analysis. He was a bowling coach in IPL for many years. On ASports he asks pertinent questions and genuinely tries to understand modern players' thinking.
However his knowledge of the domestic circuit is almost nonexistent.
Waqar generally struggles to recall what happened in a previous match or series, and rarely tells you anything beyond what you can already see.
It's Misbah who provides the tactical insight. His knowledge about different venues and how to tailor your strategies is impressive. It makes you wonder why we saw so many tactical and selection errors on his watch as a coach.
Some of the banter and self-congratulation is a bit annoying. The use of data and analytics could be improved - that's why I'm not always a fan of having panels entirely composed of ex-players.
Its because he cultivated the like / dislike / friends culture like no other and he brought in players who all played with him in Faisalabad and in his own backyard into the squad..
I even remember he brought in Kashif Bhatti into the squad out of nowhere...
Someone should tell Wasim, Ramiz, Waqar, Aamir and etc to come prepared and take the role seriously for once.
Bazid Khan is the only Pakistani commentator who makes any sense but he's not able to get his personality across when he's on air.
Wasim has become a stat reading specialist. Having said that I much prefer him to Waqar and Ramiz who're just obnoxious and cringe.
Straight away his biggest flaw is not letting any co commentator finish a single sentence/thought. He has to interrupt every few seconds.Wasim akram commentary is so horrible. Cant believe the tv channels picked him. Ears bleed .
Can't agree more. Where was he gone? Just disappeared.Back in the good old days, I found Asif Iqbal a brilliant analyst and commentator representing Pakistan. Not only was he eloquent and articulate but he also had a very good understanding of the game. I still remember him commentating in that 1992 England series plus multiple Sharjah tournaments. Plus, I used to love reading his articles in various cricket magazines. This was in the late 80"s and early to mid 90s.
I think Wasim, Waqar, Ramiz and the rest of the Pakistani lot are way below him when it comes to game analysis or commentary.
You need add i took Shoaib Malik to sharjah when he was 20 in 97.
So true though LOl ! He always interrupts the other commies and interjects his views. The Aussie commies with him in the com box must be sick of him.Straight away his biggest flaw is not letting any co commentator finish a single sentence/thought. He has to interrupt every few seconds.
The graphics designers must love Wasim - he reads every syllable on the screen with such care.
"And it's 8.37pm on the 16th"
Honestly i would rate waqar 100x better than wasim. Waqar atleast brings up new points to discuss, whereas wasim is "Its all in the wrist", "he needs to go around the wicket"Wasim and Waqar are just terrible commentators. They don't have the voice or accent for it. If you can't speak English eloquently on an english speaking broadcast then why are you commentating?
Apart from Ramiz isn't there anyone else?
The amount of highlight reels Waqar has ruined with him shouting broken english
I think evading is his style .In his autobiography also,he skips any questions about match fixing and says he is too naive in believing others.But to screw others ,he will post a lot of questions. Example 96 WC qf(he posted atleast 10 questions to the team ) and his associate getting caught in fixing controversy(Feigns innocence being a too simple guy).The Indian cricketer Sanjay Manjrekar, once shared an anecdote illustrating this. He was having difficulty pronouncing Sri Lankan players' names, and Wasim Akram, seated beside him, casually remarked that he doesn't bother learning hard-to-pronounce names, instead referring to such players as "the young lad” followed by their field position.
This incident reflects Wasim Akram’s
commentary style, often lacking in-depth analysis and foresight, and relying on basic stats and personal cricketing anecdotes.