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[VIDEO] "We don’t want to prepare a fast & bouncy pitch & play into Australia’s lap" : Ramiz Raja

Speaking in a video statement:

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"I understand fans’ frustration and a result would have been good but this is a three-match series. We need to remember that there is a lot of cricket to come still. Just for the heck of it, we don’t want to prepare a fast and bouncy pitch and play into Australia’s lap"

"We also had limited resources for this Test…when you have a disturbed bowling and batting pair which is raw, you prepare according to that. Then we didn’t have a leg-spinner ready because Yasir Shah was unfit"

"I came in September and the season had already started. It takes five to six months to prepare a pitch. When the season finishes you will see that we are bringing in soil from Australia and we are experimenting here with soil experts. We will redo 50-60 pitches all over Pakistan as soon as our season ends in March-April"
 
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Great strategy and thank you for preparing such an excellent track much to the delight of the fans.
 
The pitches v SA were fine

Why change the routine?
 
I dont get it.

If Nauman Ali can pick 6 wickets on this dead as a dodo track, maybe Pak can do a lot better on rank turners.

I didnt watch the game tho so dunno if they were gifted wickets.

If I were to guess, only Jaddu and prime Yasir would have done decently here.
 
So he is basically saying we got scared knowing our bowling is weak so PCB Doctored the pitches accordingly?

Surely that’s not allowed?!
 
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What a weird statement. We all knew the reasons but why make it public and now it shows we were really scared of the Aussie pace attack?
 
That was a weird statement for sure. Not saying complete rank turner as they are obviously worried about lyon
 
There’s transparency and stupidity.

No one actually admits to this
 
this is a statement which is beyond stupid

You didnt make a turner which could benefit pakistan

you didnt make a pacy pitch which could benefit Australia

you made a road which doesn't benefit anyone

What Ramiz actually means is that Pakistan cannot beat Australia at home with pitches that can produce results so he is making the pitches boring

what a statement, shows he doesnt trust pakistani players, what a vote of confidence in our team. Pathetic
 
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I dont get it.

If Nauman Ali can pick 6 wickets on this dead as a dodo track, maybe Pak can do a lot better on rank turners.

I didnt watch the game tho so dunno if they were gifted wickets.

If I were to guess, only Jaddu and prime Yasir would have done decently here.
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They tried to make it a turner unfortunately pindi wicket doesn't spin much and doesn't break up too much either.
 
Rana said:
So he is basically saying we got scared knowing our bowling is weak so PCB Doctored the pitches accordingly?

Surely that’s not allowed?!
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Not allowed? Lol
 
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Even if the pitch is dead intent matters a lot.

IMO, Pakistan in first innings could've batted a lot more aggressively after they went past 300-350 as they know their conditions a lot better than Australians and if the pitch was so placid as fans and experts seem to suggest, then why not up the scoring, yes you'd miss out on personal milestones.

But If Pak was 570/8 instead of 470/4 in those many overs, they might have been able to enforce follow on and on 5th day crazy things can happen.
 
Rana said:
Surely that’s not allowed?!
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Home teams are allowed to make pitch that suits their advantage, there is no law against it. However, there is a certain criteria they need to meet. It can't be unplayable from ball 1 and dangerous for batsman in terms of bounce (it is fine if this is day 4/5 but a strict no-no for day 1)
 
I appreciate Ramiz's candidness and desire to engage with the fans; it's quite refreshing. However, there's a line between being transparent and over sharing, and this statement unfortunately falls on the latter side.

We don't need any such explanations coming from the head of PCB. We have the right to make any sort of pitches we want at our home. Good advert for Test cricket or not, this info from Ramiz is not for public consumption.
 
This is an embarrassment. A large portion of our cricketers do not possess any intelligence. Does the PCB have a public relations team? If so, what are they paid for when these kinds of press releases are done? Just incredible.
 
Snowflake said:
I appreciate Ramiz's candidness and desire to engage with the fans; it's quite refreshing. However, there's a line between being transparent and over sharing, and this statement unfortunately falls on the latter side.

We don't need any such explanations coming from the head of PCB. We have the right to make any sort of pitches we want at our home. Good advert for Test cricket or not, this info from Ramiz is not for public consumption.
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This He shouldve kept quiet or basically said such a pitch is unacceptable blah blah blah Hes shot himself in foot by making such a statement public

Embarrassing stuff and puts pakistan and pakistan cricket in bad light that they are scared and tailering pitches

Sometimes its better to stay quiet ramiz
 
What an honest person is Ramiz good on him echoed the sentiments of any sane Pakistan fan you can't give opposition an advantage go with same approach to Karachi Park the bus :jm
 
He needs to say less and quit embarrassing himself and pakistan cricket

This is soo soo bad PR wise Honestly
 
1. Dumb statements coming from Chairman pcb. He shouldnt be making such statements. Tye fac that the chairman is involved in making pitches shows how bad things are.

2. Rameez raja is just like imran, blaming the ones before him :))

Oh bhai, the practise pitch had grass and was assisting the bowlers.
You dint have to grow a whole new pitch. The pitch was there you just dis extra work on it to make it batter friendly.

Thusz it proves, PCB administration was involved in conditioning the pitch.

Icc should make this illegal and only the curator should have authority over the pitch
 
So there you have it, like starc said, pakistan is scared of australian pace and is doctoring pitches.

Pathetic stuff by rameez raja
 
Major said:
1. Dumb statements coming from Chairman pcb. He shouldnt be making such statements. Tye fac that the chairman is involved in making pitches shows how bad things are.

2. Rameez raja is just like imran, blaming the ones before him :))

Oh bhai, the practise pitch had grass and was assisting the bowlers.
You dint have to grow a whole new pitch. The pitch was there you just dis extra work on it to make it batter friendly.

Thusz it proves, PCB administration was involved in conditioning the pitch.

Icc should make this illegal and only the curator should have authority over the pitch
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And who employs the curator?
 
So he's saying that Pak fast bowlers are useless. Thanks a lot!
 
That basically confirms what most of us have been saying, it was a safety first policy and a policy where they wanted to go into the 2nd Test at least at 0-0.
 
Ramiz tends to say things that are to the detriment of Pakistan. The problem is he thinks he’s being really clever, but he never fully expresses himself and never makes his point clear

On the Sky documentary about Waqar and wasim, Charles colvile sneakily said was the tampering a cultural thing where you didn’t think you were doing any wrong. Ramiz conveniently agreed. Basically saying we are so jahil we didn’t realise we were cheating.

What he could have said (and what has been backed up by most non pakistani cricketers too) is that scratching the ball and a bit of lifting of the seam was so common across the whole world and every team that we didn’t think we were doing anything wrong. Robin Smith clearly admitted that England were tampering with the ball in 1992 too, but the only reverse they got was the ball reversing to the boundary!
 
"We also had limited resources for this Test…when you have a disturbed bowling and batting pair which is raw, you prepare according to that. Then we didn’t have a leg-spinner ready because Yasir Shah was unfit"
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Motormouth lets the cat out of the bag.

What happened to all those promises of "aggressive, no fear" cricket when you took over ?

The hype, goodwill and anticipation after 24 years waiting for an Australia tour was wasted thanks to that disgraceful "pitch" - ICC should rate it as poor.
 
TheSultan said:
Ramiz tends to say things that are to the detriment of Pakistan. The problem is he thinks he’s being really clever, but he never fully expresses himself and never makes his point clear

On the Sky documentary about Waqar and wasim, Charles colvile sneakily said was the tampering a cultural thing where you didn’t think you were doing any wrong. Ramiz conveniently agreed. Basically saying we are so jahil we didn’t realise we were cheating.

What he could have said (and what has been backed up by most non pakistani cricketers too) is that scratching the ball and a bit of lifting of the seam was so common across the whole world and every team that we didn’t think we were doing anything wrong. Robin Smith clearly admitted that England were tampering with the ball in 1992 too, but the only reverse they got was the ball reversing to the boundary!
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I saw that documentary - the worst part was Waqar Younis saying no when asked pointblank whether he ever scratched the ball :)))

He was the first player to be charged by ICC for ball tampering so obviously a blatant lie.
 
Ramiz deserves full marks for honesty. Most people are not used to it
 
This is pathetic.

If Pakistan is preparing pitches, based on the fact that they are scared of the opposition, they don't serve to be called a professional cricket team, they don't deserve to be called a test paying nation. And I don't care if India does this.

This Rawalpindi pitch, I read by many here to be suited for fast bowlers, that would've been exciting, but due to fear, they created a horrible test match.

Pakistan, and no one, will succeed with this much fear.

Pathetic.
 
Savak said:
Ramiz deserves full marks for honesty. Most people are not used to it
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When Ramiz took over as PCB Chairman he promised fearless, aggressive cricket. He removed Misbah as coach for this reason.

However he has admitted they were so scared of Australia's pace attack they prepared a road to nullify them. Doesn't sound like fearless cricket to me.
 
Don't recall the BCCI chairman coming out and saying India prepared rank turners to nullify South Africa's pace-attack, or the CSA chairman coming out and saying that they prepared green-tops to get revenge on India. Everybody knew these things to be true but that didn't mean they were blurted out in public.
 
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I guess they were also worried about Lyon and that's why they didn't opt for a pitch suited to spinners.

Maybe not much faith in Sajid and Nauman too.
 
So the higher ups were scared of the opposition even before the first delivery was bowled. Such mentality takes you nowhere.
 
Chairman says he doesn't think his team can handle the opposition and is prepared to kill Test cricket to cover it.

Back your team, support them, make it a game of cricket. Simple.
 
Shouldn't have made this statement but I am not sure why Pakistan should make pitches that suit Australia.
 
I guarantee if pakistan win the 2nd test, we will get a another highway at lahore. Ramiz needs to keep his stupid mouth shut.
 
wrongun said:
Chairman says he doesn't think his team can handle the opposition and is prepared to kill Test cricket to cover it.

Back your team, support them, make it a game of cricket. Simple.
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Pakistan would best Australia on the tracks they prepared for SA
 
Markhor said:
I saw that documentary - the worst part was Waqar Younis saying no when asked pointblank whether he ever scratched the ball :)))

He was the first player to be charged by ICC for ball tampering so obviously a blatant lie.
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Being charged and admitting guilt are two different things.

But it’s a double edged sword. What’s he supposed to say? He couldn’t have said yes. Very few if any would say yes. He should have insisted on not answering the question or done the Imran thing and pointed to some random inconsequential, non international game as an isolated incident.

Really he should have not even entertained the question
 
Many people, including myself , might not agree with RR but good to see he is acknowledging people's frustration and responding to it .

But, every problem has a solution , or the better option.

This Australian team is better than Pakistan team , even on whatever wickets Pakistan prepare . But , weaker team can beat stronger team if they play better cricket but you have to come out of losing mentality ( Misbah's legacy ) and playing for draw should not be the target .

Pakistan has one world class fast bowler , Aussies have at least 3 , Aussies has one world class spinner , Pakistan has none. They have one very good , tall fast bowling all rounder , Pakistan has a bits and pieces trundler who can bat a bit . Considering all options making a spinning track will give Pakistan some chance to win a solitary test if they win the toss too.

You cannot make a track for spinners at Pindi, that too in early spring but score board pressure is always a big deal if team batting first mount a huge total, but key is to make it at good SR , not at snail pace , not the way Azhar Ali played.

Lets see what happens in rest of the series, if betting was officially allowed in Pakistan , I would have put my money on Australia winning the series 0-1 and would be hoping to lose the bet.
 
MenInG said:
Speaking in a video statement:

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"I understand fans’ frustration and a result would have been good but this is a three-match series. We need to remember that there is a lot of cricket to come still. Just for the heck of it, we don’t want to prepare a fast and bouncy pitch and play into Australia’s lap"

"We also had limited resources for this Test…when you have a disturbed bowling and batting pair which is raw, you prepare according to that. Then we didn’t have a leg-spinner ready because Yasir Shah was unfit"

"I came in September and the season had already started. It takes five to six months to prepare a pitch. When the season finishes you will see that we are bringing in soil from Australia and we are experimenting here with soil experts. We will redo 50-60 pitches all over Pakistan as soon as our season ends in March-April"
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He is openly saying that PCB doctored the pitch to avoid defeat, but many PPers already knew. Not sure why he had to come out and say it openly?
 
Why not have a normal pitch which turns a bit? Something to keep the game interesting. Lyon is a factor but you got to play for a win.

Pakistani team may not be great, but have some faith when playing on home grounds. Play good cricket and if it results in loss due to the opposition playing better then it's perfectly fine.
 
Can the gabba be turned into a spinning wicket overnight ? That's essentially what they tried doing with the pindi pitch. It was always going to fail.

No need for this dodo statement from rameez.
 
PCB better not overdo this pitch thing - could be trouble for us

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The pitch at the Rawalpindi stadium has been receiving negative reactions from all corners but the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) does not think that the ICC will rate it ‘poor’ or ‘not up to the mark’ for Test cricket.

The Test between hosts Pakistan and Australia ended in a high-scoring draw but visiting skipper Pat Cummins and top batter Steve Smith were not impressed with the quality of the strip.

“Turning up to a pitch that’s probably not a traditional pitch you would get here in Rawalpindi, and it’s probably clear they’ve made an effort to try and nullify the pace bowling,” Cummins said.

On the fourth day, Smith, who made 78, described the pitch as “dead”.

“There’s not a great deal of pace and bounce in it for the seamers, that’s for sure,” said Smith.

It has been reported that the ICC match referee, Ranjan Madugalle could report it to the world body for not being up to Test cricket standards.

However a PCB source didn’t see it happening.

“The ICC takes notices when a pitch is deemed dangerous and unfit for Test cricket,” the source said.

Pakistan scored 476 runs in their first innings for loss of just four wickets. In response, Australia scored 459. Pakistan then hammered 252 runs for no loss in second essay, without losing a wicket.

The batters scored at an average of 84.09 runs per wicket which is the highest recorded since the Sri Lanka-Bangladesh Test in Galle in 2013 (84.89).

According to ICC guidelines, a Test pitch should have a seam, bounce, spin, and carry at different stages to make an equal match for the batters and bowlers, slightly favouring the bowlers more.

A pitch is considered “poor” if it deprives the bowlers of a fair contest between bat and ball.

After the new ICC rules, the Wanderers Test pitch in South Africa was considered “poor” in 2018. That had played opposite of the Rawalpindi track and was dangerous for the batsman.

According to some Pakistan media reports, the pitch at the Pindi Cricket Stadium may come under the radar of the ICC as only 11 wickets fell in the first four days of the match.

Ranjan Madugalle has previously rated a pitch ‘poor’ for being unacceptable at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG) during the 2017 Ashes Test.

Under ICC laws if the pitch is rated poor by the match referee, the Pindi Cricket Stadium will receive three demerit points.

Any ground that receives five demerit points in five years is suspended from hosting international cricket for 12 months.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...ate-rawalpindi-pitch-poor-pcb-source-7807463/
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Don't recall the BCCI chairman coming out and saying India prepared rank turners to nullify South Africa's pace-attack, or the CSA chairman coming out and saying that they prepared green-tops to get revenge on India. Everybody knew these things to be true but that didn't mean they were blurted out in public.
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But those two cricket boards' example is not relevant here because PCB did not prepare a pitch to Pakistan's advantage. It is one thing to prepare a pitch to nullify your opponent's strength - but it is completely different to prepare a dead pitch wherein the home teams chances were essentially reduced to zero. Ramiz's statement would have made sense if Pakistan would have actually won this match.
 
Its not a good look at all for the pcb chairman to come out and talk how they tailored the pitch because they had bowlers missing etc etc

If they were so concerned Rather than concentrating on the oppositions strengths why didnt they concentrate on their own strengths and produce a result pitch in their favour?

The hype for this series was immense With days been sold out and what did the viewers get? A dour dead pitch made on purpose to nullify any bowler on either side

N they complain people dont watch test cricket or players dont want to come to pakistan to play Do you wonder why?

What an advertisiment Talk about shooting yourself in the foot
 
"Man!! Turn off the camera fgs.
How many times I told you, the guy always thinks it's for his YouTube channel."
 
leonidas_alexandar said:
But those two cricket boards' example is not relevant here because PCB did not prepare a pitch to Pakistan's advantage. It is one thing to prepare a pitch to nullify your opponent's strength - but it is completely different to prepare a dead pitch wherein the home teams chances were essentially reduced to zero. Ramiz's statement would have made sense if Pakistan would have actually won this match.
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That just makes it worse. But I think it would have been a stupid thing to say even if Pakistan did win the match. Every team in the world prepares pitches to accentuate their strengths and lessen their opponents'. But they don't go around admitting that in public.
 
MenInG said:
PCB better not overdo this pitch thing - could be trouble for us

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The pitch at the Rawalpindi stadium has been receiving negative reactions from all corners but the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) does not think that the ICC will rate it ‘poor’ or ‘not up to the mark’ for Test cricket.

The Test between hosts Pakistan and Australia ended in a high-scoring draw but visiting skipper Pat Cummins and top batter Steve Smith were not impressed with the quality of the strip.

“Turning up to a pitch that’s probably not a traditional pitch you would get here in Rawalpindi, and it’s probably clear they’ve made an effort to try and nullify the pace bowling,” Cummins said.

On the fourth day, Smith, who made 78, described the pitch as “dead”.

“There’s not a great deal of pace and bounce in it for the seamers, that’s for sure,” said Smith.

It has been reported that the ICC match referee, Ranjan Madugalle could report it to the world body for not being up to Test cricket standards.

However a PCB source didn’t see it happening.

“The ICC takes notices when a pitch is deemed dangerous and unfit for Test cricket,” the source said.

Pakistan scored 476 runs in their first innings for loss of just four wickets. In response, Australia scored 459. Pakistan then hammered 252 runs for no loss in second essay, without losing a wicket.

The batters scored at an average of 84.09 runs per wicket which is the highest recorded since the Sri Lanka-Bangladesh Test in Galle in 2013 (84.89).

According to ICC guidelines, a Test pitch should have a seam, bounce, spin, and carry at different stages to make an equal match for the batters and bowlers, slightly favouring the bowlers more.

A pitch is considered “poor” if it deprives the bowlers of a fair contest between bat and ball.

After the new ICC rules, the Wanderers Test pitch in South Africa was considered “poor” in 2018. That had played opposite of the Rawalpindi track and was dangerous for the batsman.

According to some Pakistan media reports, the pitch at the Pindi Cricket Stadium may come under the radar of the ICC as only 11 wickets fell in the first four days of the match.

Ranjan Madugalle has previously rated a pitch ‘poor’ for being unacceptable at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG) during the 2017 Ashes Test.

Under ICC laws if the pitch is rated poor by the match referee, the Pindi Cricket Stadium will receive three demerit points.

Any ground that receives five demerit points in five years is suspended from hosting international cricket for 12 months.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...ate-rawalpindi-pitch-poor-pcb-source-7807463/
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Wow. This is like giving ICC the smoking gun. Just admit to them that you deliberately prepared a poor pitch even if they were tempted to look the other way.

And we have Rambo to thank for it.
 
wrongun said:
Then bloody make them! Anything would be better than watching another dead track.
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I think the curator didn’t purposely make that rubbish track. The plan was for it to become harder to bat on day by day. They were clearly given instructions to not make it difficult from day one
 
Following frank admissions the "dead" pitch at Rawalpindi was purpose-made to blunt the threat of Australia's pace bowlers in the first Test, opener David Warner has pointed out a repeat in Karachi will also effectively nullify Pakistan's exciting quicks.

The track for the series opener yielded just 14 wickets across five soporific days, prompting Australia batter Steve Smith to label it "a pretty benign, dead wicket" and Pakistan Cricket Board chair Ramiz Raja to concede it was "not a good advertisement" for Test cricket.

However, Ramiz also acknowledged the pitch was prepared to better suit Pakistan's strengths of batters practiced in combating low bounce and bowlers generating reverse swing rather than seam movement in order to reduce the risk of them slipping 0-1 down in the three-match series.

Pakistan's openers duly put together century stands in both innings at Rawalpindi, but the lack of assistance to quicks saw Pakistan's young pace pair Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah return combined match figures of 3-177 in Australia's only batting innings.

And only one of those wickets – Marnus Labuschagne, who was caught at slip off Shaheen having scored 90 – was a batter in the visitors' top six.

Asked today how he evaluated his battle against Shaheen and Naseem during the almost three hours he spent at the crease in Rawalpindi, Warner indicated a replica of the surface rolled out for the first Test would also minimise the threat to Australia's specialist batters.

"I don't think it's too difficult to face the faster bowlers on a wicket like that," Warner said prior to Australia's first training session at Karachi's National Stadium, having arrived in the port city yesterday.

"There's no pace, there's no bounce.

"If reverse swing comes into play, then it might be a little bit different.

"But it's not offering anything at all except perhaps a sore back for the fast bowlers, and sore feet.

"From a batting point of view against fast bowlers, it's not really the challenge (except) maybe the first six balls when the ball's brand new."

Warner also echoed the assessment of Australia's principal spinner Nathan Lyon, who remarked after the touring team's initial training session at Rawalpindi last week that the practice pitches adjacent to the Test strip offered noticeable turn.

However, once the Test began on Friday it became immediately obvious that trait was absent from the centre wicket and the first three days of the match yielded just six wickets, one of which was a run-out.

Warner admitted "batsman error" was a key factor in Australia being bowled out for 459 while Pakistan piled on 4-728 across their two innings, but while noting the lifeless surface was a blessing for top-order batters he added his hope the Karachi pitch will provide more of a challenge.

"From a batsman's point of view, you can roll out the same one from (Rawalpindi) and hopefully I don't get out," he said when asked what he was expecting for the next Test which starts on Saturday.

"But that's not we want from a cricketing point of view.

"You want something to break up, to be something there for the spinners.

"You saw Nathan Lyon, when he was hitting that rough, it wasn't doing anything.

"It was pretty much going straight on, slow off the wicket.

"There wasn't any of that variable bounce which you generally see on worn wickets.

"We don't know what we're expecting here in Karachi until we rock up and see the wicket but I just want a game where you can create 20 chances.

"Something that's going to be exciting and entertaining for the crowd."

Having travelled from Islamabad yesterday, Australia will conduct their main pre-Test training session this afternoon (Pakistan time) at a venue where they've never won in their previous eight attempts dating back to 1956.

In recent Tests at the National Stadium, spin has proved dominant with Pakistan pair Nauman Ali (who claimed career-best 6-107 in Rawalpindi) and Yasir Shah sharing 14 wickets between them while South Africa's Keshav Maharaj took four in the most recent match played in January last year.

The fact all three of those bowlers – left-arm orthodox duo Nauman and Maharaj, and leg spinner Yasir – spin the ball away from right-handed batters has heightened speculation Australia will name uncapped leggie Mitchell Swepson to partner Lyon in the second Test.

However, Warner said no firm thoughts would be formed by tour selectors George Bailey (chair) and Andrew McDonald (interim coach) in consultation with fellow panel member Tony Dodemaide and skipper Pat Cummins until closer scrutiny of the Karachi surface had been conducted.

"We've not yet seen what the wicket is like here in Karachi, so I'm sure they'll assess that and then make their decisions based on what they see," Warner said

"At the end of the day the (Rawalpindi) curators did the best they could do, and we just have to move on from that wicket and see what's produced in Karachi."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/dav...ck-karachi-test-australia-pakistan/2022-03-10
 
The funniest and stupidest thing about this entire ordeal is that Pakistan's fast-bowlers would probably have done better than Australia's quicks on a traditional Rawalpindi wicket. Because pitches in Pakistan tend to be skiddy rather than bouncy, and reverse-swing and spin during the later days is something that plays to Pakistan's strengths. Pakistan's pacers already outbowled Australia's on this pancake of wicket.

So this was little more than a cowardly move on Ramiz's part and whoever else was involved in this decision.
 
The defeatist mentality is obvious to be seen and here I was blaming MisBAH to start this culture. Thank you for letting us know how brave you are Mr. PCB chairman and providing less incentive to watch a phattu team playing test cricket.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Wow. This is like giving ICC the smoking gun. Just admit to them that you deliberately prepared a poor pitch even if they were tempted to look the other way.

And we have Rambo to thank for it.
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Buffet said:
He is openly saying that PCB doctored the pitch to avoid defeat, but many PPers already knew. Not sure why he had to come out and say it openly?
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Seriously, I am shocked!
Very dumb and shallow by Rameez.

He is having such a defeatist attitude - no concept of having any element of bravery, or wisdom or ability to make any smart planning.
He is stating the obvious - backed up by same old junk, "philosophies philosophies and more philosophies.

The more he keeps quite, the better we are off.
 
The statement is so shameful for a country which prided itself on its express pace bowlers. How demoralizing it must be for the Pak bowlers to know that management has absolutely no confidence in them & relies on doctoring pitches to save matches.

Also i dont understand why Pakistan has to be so underconfident - afterall this Australian bowling attack was outperformed twice in their own den by a subcontinental team.

Pakistan needs to back its bowlers & prepare pitches to suit their strength. If Australia wins after all this, so be it. But atleast the bowlers get a fair shot to dictate their own terms.

Separately i hope that ICC docks points from PCB for this pitch - they need to be schooled for this!
 
They need to prepare a normal pakistan track which has a little bit for everyone -good batters, spinners on day 4-5 and reverse swing for pacers

Why they are doing all this i dont know

It was supposed to be a show piece tour after so long and thanks to ramiz and co is quickly turning into a drab farce
 
Wow, hasnt this all turned sour very quickly. The pitch is far from ideal but to be rated below average is very harsh i think, ramiz was certain that it wouldnt be but here we go, I dont think the top 3 would have got a demerit point but we are pakistan, we cna get thrown under the bus.
 
princeuk said:
Wow, hasnt this all turned sour very quickly. The pitch is far from ideal but to be rated below average is very harsh i think, ramiz was certain that it wouldnt be but here we go, I dont think the top 3 would have got a demerit point but we are pakistan, we cna get thrown under the bus.
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Who knows if perhaps Madugalle would've let it go - but he sure gave it to Ramiz for a being a hoplessl philosopher and rendering that public video clip.
 
dildilpak said:
The statement is so shameful for a country which prided itself on its express pace bowlers. How demoralizing it must be for the Pak bowlers to know that management has absolutely no confidence in them & relies on doctoring pitches to save matches.

Also i dont understand why Pakistan has to be so underconfident - afterall this Australian bowling attack was outperformed twice in their own den by a subcontinental team.

Pakistan needs to back its bowlers & prepare pitches to suit their strength. If Australia wins after all this, so be it. But atleast the bowlers get a fair shot to dictate their own terms.

Separately i hope that ICC docks points from PCB for this pitch - they need to be schooled for this!
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You seem to be making up rules. There is no rule, as far as I know, about points being docked because a test match pitch was too good for batting. The process is that the venue gets a demerit point - and if it collects 5 then it will be banned from hosting international matches.

I have read a few people, probably desperate we don't get into the Test final, saying we should be docked points. It is complete nonsense.
 
He needs to let go of his commentator avatar. No need to videos every weak
 
MenInG said:
PCB better not overdo this pitch thing - could be trouble for us

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The pitch at the Rawalpindi stadium has been receiving negative reactions from all corners but the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) does not think that the ICC will rate it ‘poor’ or ‘not up to the mark’ for Test cricket.

The Test between hosts Pakistan and Australia ended in a high-scoring draw but visiting skipper Pat Cummins and top batter Steve Smith were not impressed with the quality of the strip.

“Turning up to a pitch that’s probably not a traditional pitch you would get here in Rawalpindi, and it’s probably clear they’ve made an effort to try and nullify the pace bowling,” Cummins said.

On the fourth day, Smith, who made 78, described the pitch as “dead”.

“There’s not a great deal of pace and bounce in it for the seamers, that’s for sure,” said Smith.

It has been reported that the ICC match referee, Ranjan Madugalle could report it to the world body for not being up to Test cricket standards.

However a PCB source didn’t see it happening.

“The ICC takes notices when a pitch is deemed dangerous and unfit for Test cricket,” the source said.

Pakistan scored 476 runs in their first innings for loss of just four wickets. In response, Australia scored 459. Pakistan then hammered 252 runs for no loss in second essay, without losing a wicket.

The batters scored at an average of 84.09 runs per wicket which is the highest recorded since the Sri Lanka-Bangladesh Test in Galle in 2013 (84.89).

According to ICC guidelines, a Test pitch should have a seam, bounce, spin, and carry at different stages to make an equal match for the batters and bowlers, slightly favouring the bowlers more.

A pitch is considered “poor” if it deprives the bowlers of a fair contest between bat and ball.

After the new ICC rules, the Wanderers Test pitch in South Africa was considered “poor” in 2018. That had played opposite of the Rawalpindi track and was dangerous for the batsman.

According to some Pakistan media reports, the pitch at the Pindi Cricket Stadium may come under the radar of the ICC as only 11 wickets fell in the first four days of the match.

Ranjan Madugalle has previously rated a pitch ‘poor’ for being unacceptable at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG) during the 2017 Ashes Test.

Under ICC laws if the pitch is rated poor by the match referee, the Pindi Cricket Stadium will receive three demerit points.

Any ground that receives five demerit points in five years is suspended from hosting international cricket for 12 months.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...ate-rawalpindi-pitch-poor-pcb-source-7807463/
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pitch was a dead road and a shambles, it should rightly be rated as poor.
 
I understand those who mentioned double standard of ICC; only a blind would not agree to it. Inshallah one day under Imran, Pak will be strong enough to have its influence on institutions. However, I will take ICC criticism in this case as A BLESSING. We do not need such a trashy pitch (as they are common in Ind, SL, BD, and UAE) and anyone who comes under fire for this farce is good for Pak cricket.
 
Amjid Javed said:
pitch was a dead road and a shambles, it should rightly be rated as poor.
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Yep, not a fair contest.

No one in Oz argued when he rated the MCG poor in 2017 either. He was right. So we put in work to improve the pitch & change the makeup+preparation of the drop ins until they got better.
 
MenInG said:
Speaking in a video statement:

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"I understand fans’ frustration and a result would have been good but this is a three-match series. We need to remember that there is a lot of cricket to come still. Just for the heck of it, we don’t want to prepare a fast and bouncy pitch and play into Australia’s lap"

"We also had limited resources for this Test…when you have a disturbed bowling and batting pair which is raw, you prepare according to that. Then we didn’t have a leg-spinner ready because Yasir Shah was unfit"

"I came in September and the season had already started. It takes five to six months to prepare a pitch. When the season finishes you will see that we are bringing in soil from Australia and we are experimenting here with soil experts. We will redo 50-60 pitches all over Pakistan as soon as our season ends in March-April"
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With these pitches and a horrible defeat looming over our heads in the second test,

Someone should ask him, "Ab tera kia hoga kaaliya"?
 
This series was lost before it even started.

RR should hang his head in shame for bringing such a defeatist mindset.
 
HAHA toe Banta hay.

The combo of defeatist mentality chairman and captain is on display. Thank you almighty for not letting my sleep wasted for these clowns. Go ahead and enjoy now those who wanted to see a test series on such farce surface. Pak best chance was on green wicket. Gaddha khoda or khood gray. Bravo for the gutsy cricket!
 
If you are playing scared, feeble and timid cricket, it doesn't matter how the pitches are playing, you will end up losing.

The scared mentality is a huge concern and is running through from top to bottom at the moment.
 
In a way Ramiz had a point, if Aussies did this on a 'placid' pitch imagine a 'fast and bouncy' one :))
 
The video and mentality of "making pitches" has led to this crises

The instructions shouldve been pakistan and the players are good enough to win on any surface at home So go and win the game We have confidence in you

Instead a farcical message was given that our players arent good enough and we need to produce crap wkts to nullify the aussies

This loser mentality is what caused fear and the result was this innings This tour so far has been a farce top to bottom
 
Saurav said:
Looking forward to his next video :)
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Which will be nothing else but a display of an "all knowing mama ji", rendering more and more and even more philosophies.
Philosophies and philosophies and nothing but philosophies.

"You do this, and that happens"
"you don't that and that won't happen"
"when you let that happen, then this happens"
"this is how the world does it and that is how you do things and that's how you don't do things."
 
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