[VIDEO] What can Indians learn from Chinese people?

[sweep_shot]

India and China are two of the most populous nations on Earth. Both have over 1-billion people each.

Even though they are similar in terms of population, they are vastly different in terms of antics and achievements.

Chinese people generally love to stay under the radar and focus on working hard/being productive. Indians are often guilty of doing the opposite; they love to be in the spotlight and often come off as nosy/loud.

In terms of achievements and influence, China is clearly miles ahead of India. China is a genuine global superpower while India is more like a regional power.

China is ahead of India militarily and they don't flood other countries with illegal immigrants like India do (There are over 700K illegal Indians in USA alone).

So, how can Indians match the Chinese? What are some lessons they can learn from China?

Some lessons I can think of:

Lesson #1: Learn to accept constructive criticism instead of always deflecting and doing whataboutism. Chinese people believe in self-accountability while Indians generally always argue. Believe it or not, there is actually a funny (yet accurate) YouTube video regarding this:

Lesson #2: Focus on actual growth instead of doing cow vigilantism and other nonsense. This is year 2025 after all.

Lesson#3: Chinese people generally always mind their own business and they are always productive. Maybe being nosy/obnoxious prevents Indians from matching Chinese success.

Thoughts?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Mandarin?

 

[sweep_shot]

Mandarin?

I think it is a good idea to learn Mandarin because China is becoming influential globally. It can be useful to learn this language.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Indians have nothing to do with learning they just want to win lol

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Indians just care for their own selves not even their brethrens and anybody living abroad could affirm or avowed it

 

[Rajdeep]

OP is too long to read but can someone pls confirm if he is asking Indians to learn how to treat minorities like how Chinese are treating Uighur muslims?

 

[sweep_shot]

OP is too long to read but can someone pls confirm if he is asking Indians to learn how to treat minorities like how Chinese are treating Uighur muslims?

Your post has just proven the point of my opening post. Always deflection and doing whataboutism.

 

[anikrc1]

The difference between China and India is simple, communism.

 

[Rajdeep]

Your post has just proven the point of my opening post. Always deflection and doing whataboutism.

This is not whataboutery buddy but I have caught you off guard. China is an atheist communist country. Why should a secular democracy like India learn anything from them?

I have read your OP and the points you raised makes my believe even stronger that you lack education big time. China People always mind their own business, China people belive in self accountability. LOL I mean what does these even mean? There are a billion people in China and unless you done some survey about their psyche how did you come to these conclusions and made such blanket generalizations?


Bondhu (friend) post on what you ate last thread or at the best troll in cricket threads. This kind of topics is not meant for you.

#ChinaPeople

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What can Indians learn from Chinese?

How to win allies and establish dominance across Asia.

 

[sweep_shot]

What can Indians learn from Chinese?

How to win allies and establish dominance across Asia.

That's definitely another good lesson.

While India is burning bridges with regional allies, China is solidifying alliances.

China has a sharp leader in the form of Xi Jinping. He is an intelligent man with chemical engineering background. India has chaiwala Modi who's main focus is to advance RSS agendas.

Xi Jinping is taking China to future while Modi is taking India back to stone age.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How to be decent people.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Discipline, public civility and hard work and putting religion in the back burner and work towards progress as a collective unit.

Indians who move out of India work their tails off to make it big. But the same person is lazy and acts like a bumpkin if he stays in India.

 

[Champ_Pal]

That's definitely another good lesson.

While India is burning bridges with regional allies, China is solidifying alliances.

China has a sharp leader in the form of Xi Jinping. He is an intelligent man with chemical engineering background. India has chaiwala Modi who's main focus is to advance RSS agendas.

Xi Jinping is taking China to future while Modi is taking India back to stone age.

India is no where China when it comes to progress and innovation. But your last sentence is just lolworthy.

 

[Devadwal]

How to be decent people.

Likes Repression of Uyghurs muslim.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Likes Repression of Uyghurs muslim.

Each country has good point and bad point. i liked when Chinese make chow mein of your soldiers
Instead of hiding behind treatment of Uyhgurhs you should focus on this from Indian POV

 

[sweep_shot]

Each country has good point and bad point. i liked when Chinese make chow mein of your soldiers
Instead of hiding behind treatment of Uyhgurhs you should focus on this from Indian POV

Indians like to bring up Uighur but they downplay their own Kashmiri atrocities.

They also like to downplay the oppressions Muslims face in India (cow vigilante mob, mosque attack etc.).

 

[cricketjoshila]

Each country has good point and bad point. i liked when Chinese make chow mein of your soldiers
Instead of hiding behind treatment of Uyhgurhs you should focus on this from Indian POV

Indians won't be held under a dictatorship and fight for their democratic rights. If the cost of democracy is the difference between India and China so be it. Far better than any dictatorship.

Did you like it when 90K pakistanis surrendered in Dhaka and were dragged to India and kept in detention. Until your PM had to come to Shimla to get them released?

Did you like it when pakistani army ran away leaving their dead behind in Kargil?

This is not 1962.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians like to bring up Uighur but they downplay their own Kashmiri atrocities.

They also like to downplay the oppressions Muslims face in India (cow vigilante mob, mosque attack etc.).

Indians didn't open a thread asking what Bangladeshis have to learn from whom.

Go learn something from whoever you guys can and worry about Bangladesh and not India.

 

[sweep_shot]

I also like to point out Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh should've gone to/should go to China. People in those areas are ethnically more Chinese than Indians.

 

[Hitman]

Indians didn't open a thread asking what Bangladeshis have to learn from whom.

Go learn something from whoever you guys can and worry about Bangladesh and not India.

Forget China, India need to first learn from it's neighbours Pakistan and Bangladesh the true meaning of democracy, secularism and equal rights.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Indians won't be held under a dictatorship and fight for their democratic rights. If the cost of democracy is the difference between India and China so be it. Far better than any dictatorship.

Did you like it when 90K pakistanis surrendered in Dhaka and were dragged to India and kept in detention. Until your PM had to come to Shimla to get them released?

Did you like it when pakistani army ran away leaving their dead behind in Kargil?

This is not 1962.

Pakistan was an aggressor in that time and got it's comeuppance. I believe that any unjust and any aggressor will eventually suffer a humiliation.

But it's telling that you are going about that "surrender" when decades later India has been categorically rejected in Bangladesh and Pakistan welcomed. You have been crying about it for months, begging Trump and Tulsi to help lol.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I also like to point out Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh should've gone to/should go to China. People in those areas are ethnically more Chinese than Indians.

India did a similar thing in to China as they did with Bangladesh. Tried to pop up a puppet via the Dalai Lama. He also fled and ran to India before China gave them some slaps and occupied Arunachal Pradesh. Lama is still there.

They used to the same language that they are doing against Bangladeshis and locked many Indo Chinese in concentration camps.

India is a regional nuisance and consistently misbehaves with neighbours.

Same as happened in Bangladesh and Hasina it is my prediction that some slaps coming from Bangladesh side towards India are imminent.

 

[ipog]

Many things from China: Single minded focus on development, building reliable infrastructure and advanced techniques, civic sense. Not to learn: communism.

From Pakistan: maybe punctuality and apply in other areas

Bangladesh: how not to play cricket

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys this thread is about India and China, so please restrain yourself to thread topic

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan was an aggressor in that time and got it's comeuppance. I believe that any unjust and any aggressor will eventually suffer a humiliation.

But it's telling that you are going about that "surrender" when decades later India has been categorically rejected in Bangladesh and Pakistan welcomed. You have been crying about it for months, begging Trump and Tulsi to help lol.

Expect Indian posters to derail the thread with 1971, Uighur etc.

The video in the opening post highlights exactly that (Indian deflection).

 

[HalBass9]

Unfortunately, those in power in India share a similar mindset to those who respond with "what about Pakistan". They lack the resolve to compete with or learn from China and remain overly fixated on Pakistan and Bangladesh.

This approach is rendering Indians incapable of advancing or competing with China, as their focus remains confined to rivalry with Muslims within India and its immediate neighbors.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan was an aggressor in that time and got it's comeuppance. I believe that any unjust and any aggressor will eventually suffer a humiliation.

But it's telling that you are going about that "surrender" when decades later India has been categorically rejected in Bangladesh and Pakistan welcomed. You have been crying about it for months, begging Trump and Tulsi to help lol.

Surrender has been rejected?

FYI the pakistani army surrendered to the Indian army. Not Bangladeshi army.

90k pakistanis were transported to India and held there till ZAB came and signed the agreement in Shimla.

What has Bangladeshi opinion today got to do with it? Tommorow the government changes their, their opinion will change.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India did a similar thing in to China as they did with Bangladesh. Tried to pop up a puppet via the Dalai Lama. He also fled and ran to India before China gave them some slaps and occupied Arunachal Pradesh. Lama is still there.

They used to the same language that they are doing against Bangladeshis and locked many Indo Chinese in concentration camps.

India is a regional nuisance and consistently misbehaves with neighbours.

Same as happened in Bangladesh and Hasina it is my prediction that some slaps coming from Bangladesh side towards India are imminent.

Next time read history. What you have posted about Dalai Lama and India and China isn't supported by history.

Pakistan is a global nuisance and many terror attacks and terrorists in the world have been traced back to Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Forget China, India need to first learn from it's neighbours Pakistan and Bangladesh the true meaning of democracy, secularism and equal rights.

Their own countries have tons of problems and pakistanis and Bangladeshis are giving lectures to India.

These attempts to troll Indians fall flat on their faces.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Next time read history. What you have posted about Dalai Lama and India and China isn't supported by history.

Pakistan is a global nuisance and many terror attacks and terrorists in the world have been traced back to Pakistan.

India is harbouring dissidents from two neighbours. It is in conflict across all its borders. This is an undisputed fact.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India is harbouring dissidents from two neighbours. It is in conflict across all its borders. This is an undisputed fact.

What dissidents?

Indian borders in 1947 were decided by the British. The problem is a inherited one.

Pakistan has been accused of spreading terrorism by Iran India Afghanistan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What dissidents?

Indian borders in 1947 were decided by the British. The problem is a inherited one.

Pakistan has been accused of spreading terrorism by Iran India Afghanistan.

Hasina and Dalai Lama both caused failed uprising in their countries and sought refuge and sanctuary in India.

Can you name any other country who insults their neighbours like this?

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

How to be decent people.

Agreed when I see the likes of @Bhaag Viru Bhaag it's the first thing I think of

 

[Cricket Warrior]

again a gentle reminder this thread is not about India's relations with Pakistan or Bangladesh so better stick to the topic otherwise all irrelevant posts would be deleted from now onwards.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Agreed when I see the likes of @Bhaag Viru Bhaag it's the first thing I think of

Nice to know I am bothering you every second and living rent-free in that tiny, square-shaped head of yours.

 

[Local.Dada]

Fair question but then maybe because India and China are enemies, Indians don’t want to learn from them. Lot of good things to learn from Chinese too so I agree with the overarching sentiment . Having said that should the question he put back to Pak-Bangla type vassal states of China? What is their excuse for only going backwards since China’s involvement?

 

[anikrc1]

Lots of misguided opinions about China's superiority over India. There is only one reason. They are communist country which even when allowed capitalism kept its billionaires under a tight leash. Where as in India the political parties in power serve crony capitalists like Ambani and Adani.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Nice to know I am bothering you every second and living rent-free in that tiny, square-shaped head of yours.

Hahaha you wish. We are taller and bigger than you guys, numbers show this

 

[JaDed]

The op has posted this video 3-5 times now, and finally opened a thread.
Credit to him for being obsessed over Indian matters nowadays, over here after 35 all I care about is my sleep.

 

[deltexas]

India is no where China when it comes to progress and innovation. But your last sentence is just lolworthy.

This is what folks here dont get. Nobody is saying Ind is close to China. It never will be honestly. China is so so far ahead of Ind , no comparison. For Pete's ake - China is trying to co compete with the US. And sure, there is a lot to learn from China absolutely and we agree. And there are things that China should be held accountable for for its reprehensible actions.
By the same token, Ind is far ahead of IMF leaders Pak and Ban - so they can learn from Ind too. But no - posters here will not agree with it. Thats the hypocricy and double standards.

 

[Champ_Pal]

The op has posted this video 3-5 times now, and finally opened a thread.
Credit to him for being obsessed over Indian matters nowadays, over here after 35 all I care about is my sleep.

He does not dare to open a thread comparing BD to China and what BD can learn from the Dragon. He knows it is embarrassing to even open a thread like that.
China is far ahead of India and the gap is widening more and more with China competing with US in the field of tech. The fact that he wants India to learn from China shows he has high hopes for India. As for his own birth nation, I guess he gave up.

 

[sweep_shot]

Indian posters keep on proving the below video right.

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Anyway, this thread reminds me of an old Russell Peters skit:

 

[sweep_shot]

I was going through some "open defecation" statistics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_defecation#Countries_with_high_numbers.

I found out 157-million people (11% of the population) in India have to defecate outside due to toilet shortages.

China, on the other hand, have this issue far less. Only 1.5-million or 0.10% of the population have to defecate outside.

From the below table, you can see India is actually #1 when it comes to "open defecation" issue.

Perhaps they can learn from China how to reduce this issue.



Countries with Over 1 Million People Who Defecate openly are listed in the table below, based on available data from different years.

Year	Country	Population	Number of people who openly defecate
2022	Afghanistan	40,578,842	9% or 3.6 million
2022	Angola	35,635,029	17% or 6.1 million
2022	Benin	13,759,501	49% or 6.4 million
2022	Bolivia	12,077,154	9% or 1 million
2022	Burkina Faso	22,509,038	34% or 7.6 million
2022	Cambodia	17,201,724	12% or 2 million
2022	Cameroon	27,632,771	4% or 1.1 million
2022	Central African Republic	5,098,039	25% or 1.3 million
2022	Chad	16,244,513	62.6% or 11 million
2022	China	1,425,179,569	0.10% or 1.5 million[36]
2022	Colombia	51,737,944	2% or 1.2 million
2022	Democratic Republic of the Congo	102,396,968	12% or 11.7 million
2016	Eritrea	3,124,698	67% or 2.2 million
2022	Ethiopia	125,384,287	17.6%–18% or 21.7 million
2022	Ghana	33,149,152	17% or 5.7 million
2022	Haiti	11,503,606	18% or 2 million
2022	India	1,425,423,212	11% or 157 million[a]
2022	Indonesia	278,830,529	4.1% or 11.5 million
2022	Ivory Coast	30,395,002	22% or 5.9 million
2022	Kenya	54,252,461	6% or 3.4 million
2022	Laos	7,559,007	16% or 1.2 million
2022	Liberia	5,373,294	35% or 1.8 million
2022	Madagascar	30,437,261	34% or 9.9 million
2022	Mali	23,072,640	5% or 1 million
2022	Mauritania	4,875,637	27% or 1.2 million
2022	Mozambique	32,656,246	20% or 6.4 million
2022	Myanmar	53,756,787	7% or 3.6 million
2022	Nepal	29,715,436	7% or 2.1 million
2022	Niger	25,311,973	64.9% or 17 million
2022	Nigeria	223,150,896	18.4% or 40.3 million
2022	Pakistan	243,700,667	6.7%–7% or 15.9 million
2022	Papua New Guinea	10,203,169	16% or 1.6 million
2022	Philippines	113,964,338	3% or 3.4 million
2022	Senegal	17,651,103	8% or 1.3 million
2022	Sierra Leone	8,276,807	16% or 1.4 million
2022	Somalia	17,801,897	21% or 3.7 million
2022	South Sudan	11,021,177	59.7% or 6.5 million
2020	Sudan	46,789,231	17.3% or 7.6 million
2022	Tanzania	64,711,821	6% or 4.1 million
2022	Togo	9,089,738	39% or 3.4 million
2022	Uganda	47,312,719	4% or 1.8 million
2022	Yemen	38,222,876	8.5% or 2.8 million
2022	Zambia	20,152,938	6% or 1.2 million
2022	Zimbabwe	16,069,056	17% or 2.8 million

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[Romali_rotti]

India and China are two of the most populous nations on Earth. Both have over 1-billion people each.

Even though they are similar in terms of population, they are vastly different in terms of antics and achievements.

Chinese people generally love to stay under the radar and focus on working hard/being productive. Indians are often guilty of doing the opposite; they love to be in the spotlight and often come off as nosy/loud.

In terms of achievements and influence, China is clearly miles ahead of India. China is a genuine global superpower while India is more like a regional power.

China is ahead of India militarily and they don't flood other countries with illegal immigrants like India do (There are over 700K illegal Indians in USA alone).

So, how can Indians match the Chinese? What are some lessons they can learn from China?

Some lessons I can think of:

Lesson #1: Learn to accept constructive criticism instead of always deflecting and doing whataboutism. Chinese people believe in self-accountability while Indians generally always argue. Believe it or not, there is actually a funny (yet accurate) YouTube video regarding this:

Lesson #2: Focus on actual growth instead of doing cow vigilantism and other nonsense. This is year 2025 after all.

Lesson#3: Chinese people generally always mind their own business and they are always productive. Maybe being nosy/obnoxious prevents Indians from matching Chinese success.

Thoughts?

But sweep_shot bro Indians may learn things like banning the name Muhammad in heavily Muslim populated regions like the Chinese have done.

China don't love Islam

 

[Vikram1989]

Not to kill entire world in the name of virus and letting know the world asap with out any misinformation.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Seems like china is constantly pulling way ahead in every field, have no idea why indians think thr comparable to china:

Below is a indian youtuber outlook on the matter - rare to find an indian speaking the truth

 

[sweep_shot]

Seems like china is constantly pulling way ahead in every field, have no idea why indians think thr comparable to china:

Below is a indian youtuber outlook on the matter - rare to find an indian speaking the truth


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India and China have similar populations. Both also have large landmasses.

So, why is India 4-5 times behind China?

Answer lies in mindset. Chinese believe in self-accountability while Indians bury their hands in the sand. Indians think India is already #1 and no improvement is needed.

Even during wars, average Indians think India always win without losing any soldier/jet which is absurd. How can they improve if they do not acknowledge their losses/shortcomings?

Average Indians are also 20%-25% less intelligent than average Chinese as evident from average IQ scores.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Modi is a softie and his critics and haters still call him a dictator and other choicest words.

Now imagine if Modi takes decisions like Xi Jinping. It will be sparta on the streets. The usual suspects on this message board will cry foul forever.

It will be an unpopular opinion, but India is like a runner that is massively overweight and siffering from severe muscle issues. Sure India will one day be a developed economy with massive GDP. But it is an extreme slow process and to achieve what China did in the last 4 decades, it will take India more than a century.

India cannot even build a bridge without upsetting someone's religion or some oppressed caste's feelings or demolishing illegal slums or most importantly corrupt contractors and ministers. What takes China 1 year to build, it will take 10 years in India. In fact most nations with democracy suffer from these issues.

 

[HalBass9]

Modi is a softie and his critics and haters still call him a dictator and other choicest words.

Now imagine if Modi takes decisions like Xi Jinping. It will be sparta on the streets. The usual suspects on this message board will cry foul forever.

It will be an unpopular opinion, but India is like a runner that is massively overweight and siffering from severe muscle issues. Sure India will one day be a developed economy with massive GDP. But it is an extreme slow process and to achieve what China did in the last 4 decades, it will take India more than a century.

India cannot even build a bridge without upsetting someone's religion or some oppressed caste's feelings or demolishing illegal slums or most importantly corrupt contractors and ministers. What takes China 1 year to build, it will take 10 years in India. In fact most nations with democracy suffer from these issues.

Softie when it comes to economy but 56” chest when it comes to instigating communal violence.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Softie when it comes to economy but 56” chest when it comes to instigating communal violence.

Your opinion. He is cleared by courts and that’s all it matters.

 

[straighttalk]

I don't understand OPs obsession with India...
All the negatives that he identified about India is true for his own country plus more.

Has 0 achievement to talk about
While Indians illegally immigrate to West...the Bangladeshis illegally immigrate in herds to guess what God foresaken India.

Gives lesson about growth and conveniently ignores India's GDP growth rate and economic stature.

Talks about being nosy and uncouth but opens thousands of posts and threads about how India is this and that.

Yes there is a lot to learn from.China but get outside your tinted glass and think

About their ghastly food habits and how it killed millions via Wuhan virus

How they treat your fellow Muslims

How brutal they are against their democratic citizens

How much freedom or rights they have

Communism

How they try to dominate every country and economically bankrupt their allies.

How they try to threaten a democratic progressive nation like Taiwan.

 

[straighttalk]

India and China have similar populations. Both also have large landmasses.

So, why is India 4-5 times behind China?

Answer lies in mindset. Chinese believe in self-accountability while Indians bury their hands in the sand. Indians think India is already #1 and no improvement is needed.

Even during wars, average Indians think India always win without losing any soldier/jet which is absurd. How can they improve if they do not acknowledge their losses/shortcomings?

Average Indians are also 20%-25% less intelligent than average Chinese as evident from average IQ scores.

Why is the high IQ bangladeshis not killing it in economy military or the sports where they call themselves tiger...if the real tiger see the crying Bangaldeshi fans at the end of each match...they would become extinct..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Modi is a softie and his critics and haters still call him a dictator and other choicest words.

Now imagine if Modi takes decisions like Xi Jinping. It will be sparta on the streets. The usual suspects on this message board will cry foul forever.

It will be an unpopular opinion, but India is like a runner that is massively overweight and siffering from severe muscle issues. Sure India will one day be a developed economy with massive GDP. But it is an extreme slow process and to achieve what China did in the last 4 decades, it will take India more than a century.

India cannot even build a bridge without upsetting someone's religion or some oppressed caste's feelings or demolishing illegal slums or most importantly corrupt contractors and ministers. What takes China 1 year to build, it will take 10 years in India. In fact most nations with democracy suffer from these issues.

Well you are a prime example of the difference between India and China. You profess atheism just like the Chinese but you are too much of a softie (like your leader) to follow this through to the logical conclusion. Instead you make up guff that atheism and Hindu religion align, and thus you end up with a mess of an ideology which leads to a mess of a country. The Chinese went with atheism and followed through, there is the difference.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

China progress looks amazing from the outside.

But does anybody really want to be China or Chinese?

It seems quite a sinister place at times.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

China progress looks amazing from the outside.

But does anybody really want to be China or Chinese?

It seems quite a sinister place at times.

Probably would have to ask a Chinese person to be fair. Indians and Pakistanis will only see what they are being fed by the media wherever they are. Someone with a Chinese background might be able to give more context.

 

[Red-Indian]

China progress looks amazing from the outside.

But does anybody really want to be China or Chinese?

It seems quite a sinister place at times.

According to the only close Chinese friend I have (who's a blogger on Chinese economy), they're pretty happy with what they've got.

What they're missing - freedom to practice religion, criticise the government or discuss politics are pretty abstract concepts and don't really affect them day to day. On the flip side, they have witnessed in their lifetime, the fastest mass economic shift in the history of humanity.

My friend likes to say it's like not knowing about spices in your food. Sure once you've tasted it, you can't live without it. But if you haven't, you can't miss it. You're happy with regular salted meat and veggies.

I know it's difficult for some of you Muslims to imagine since religion is so central to your lives but when it comes down to it, most folks would be okay to believe what you want in private without making a big show about it.

 

[sweep_shot]

China progress looks amazing from the outside.

But does anybody really want to be China or Chinese?

It seems quite a sinister place at times.

Worked and studied with many Chinese. Great people to work with. Little to no drama.

Can't say the same about Indians. Indians are often involved in petty politics, nitpicking, nosy behavior etc. There are exceptions of course.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Worked and studied with many Chinese. Great people to work with. Little to no drama.

Can't say the same about Indians. Indians are often involved in petty politics, nitpicking, nosy behavior etc. There are exceptions of course.

I prefer Indians as colleage, more chat and commonality. Chinese are pretty disciplined and hard working for sure, but difficult to engage on a personal level.

 

[sweep_shot]

I prefer Indians as colleage, more chat and commonality. Chinese are pretty disciplined and hard working for sure, but difficult to engage on a personal level.

I don't want to chat. I just want to work.

So, I guess Chinese coworkers suit me. I am like them.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

According to the only close Chinese friend I have (who's a blogger on Chinese economy), they're pretty happy with what they've got.

What they're missing - freedom to practice religion, criticise the government or discuss politics are pretty abstract concepts and don't really affect them day to day. On the flip side, they have witnessed in their lifetime, the fastest mass economic shift in the history of humanity.

My friend likes to say it's like not knowing about spices in your food. Sure once you've tasted it, you can't live without it. But if you haven't, you can't miss it. You're happy with regular salted meat and veggies.

I know it's difficult for some of you Muslims to imagine since religion is so central to your lives but when it comes down to it, most folks would be okay to believe what you want in private without making a big show about it.

From an outsider perspective it seems like there is an oppressive loom around the place, and it appears highly robotic.

I've seen videos of non uyghur chinese and they seem happy too with the amount they can pracitise.

But overall from a non-religious perspective it just doesn't appear free. Of course as your friend says - you can trade some of that off if you are living comfortably and don't really know any better.

But what happens when the economy shifts the other way?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't want to chat. I just want to work.

So, I guess Chinese coworkers suit me. I am like them.

Thats fair man. They are decent hard working people for sure, super efficient.

 

[Red-Indian]

From an outsider perspective it seems like there is an oppressive loom around the place, and it appears highly robotic.

I've seen videos of non uyghur chinese and they seem happy too with the amount they can pracitise.

But overall from a non-religious perspective it just doesn't appear free. Of course as your friend says - you can trade some of that off if you are living comfortably and don't really know any better.

But what happens when the economy shifts the other way?

Yes that's the question everyone likes to ask. Will the system work without growing prosperity?

My own view is

- Though they've reached superpower status, they've still got a long runway to grow individual prosperity. Consumption is still less than a fourth of Western levels
- When the inevitable downturn does come, it'll take a long time for it to reflect in social unrest and protest. That particular 'muscle' has pretty much atrophied

Hopefully before that, there is a natural move towards more liberty which acts as a slow pressure release valve. The world needs it. In 10 years, the Chinese will the main economic engine of the world and chaos there would infect the world like the subprime crisis in the States pretty much caused a worldwide mini-depression.

 

[HalBass9]

Even the Western world hasn’t managed to learn from China’s transformation, yet people expect India to?

China has modernized at a pace no Western nation has been able to match. It’s starting to resemble the Ottoman scenario, an empire that dominated for centuries but fell behind because it refused to modernize while Europe surged ahead.

Today, China is the one moving forward, not just in technology, but in human development, while the West resists that same evolution and, in some areas, is outright regressing. Military upgrades alone won’t close that gap, modernization requires societal, economic, and structural transformation, not just new hardware.

 

[Suleiman]

I prefer Indians as colleage, more chat and commonality. Chinese are pretty disciplined and hard working for sure, but difficult to engage on a personal level.

South Indians as colleagues if I had to pick on average between Pakistanis from major cities, North Indians or Chinese.

You will be able to chat, stay focused but without dramaybaazi, gossip or ulterior motives.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Only 1 thing come to mind -

Better diet

No country should aspire to be like China.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Modi is a softie and his critics and haters still call him a dictator and other choicest words.

Now imagine if Modi takes decisions like Xi Jinping. It will be sparta on the streets. The usual suspects on this message board will cry foul forever.

India cannot even build a bridge without upsetting someone's religion or some oppressed caste's feelings or demolishing illegal slums or most importantly corrupt contractors and ministers. What takes China 1 year to build, it will take 10 years in India. In fact most nations with democracy suffer from these issues.

Modi adds to the problem in bolded part. You cannot ask a perpetrator to deliver the justice. A head of state he should focus on governance instead of appeasement. To rally people behind you, you need to see them as equal and not divide on religious lines. Xi is an atheist and adheres to Marxist views on religion.

Look what Modi tweeted today -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1995751533900956129

 

[HalBass9]

The claim that China “discourages” or “bans” religion is largely a misconception. China has preserved some of the world’s oldest mosques and maintains active religious institutions across multiple faiths. Those who choose to practice generally do so without interference.

Meanwhile, the idea that the West offers significantly greater freedom is another convenient narrative, one that tends to get louder whenever Western powers feel threatened or unable to compete with China’s rise.

No country is perfect, but China is clearly moving into a league of its own.

 

[sweep_shot]

The claim that China “discourages” or “bans” religion is largely a misconception. China has preserved some of the world’s oldest mosques and maintains active religious institutions across multiple faiths. Those who choose to practice generally do so without interference.

Meanwhile, the idea that the West offers significantly greater freedom is another convenient narrative, one that tends to get louder whenever Western powers feel threatened or unable to compete with China’s rise.

No country is perfect, but China is clearly moving into a league of its own.

Yes. China has many mosques.

There are Han Chinese Muslims and they are not persecuted I believe.

China tend to target the separatists (Tibetans, for example). I don't think it has to do with religion; it has more to do with separatism.

Anyway, I hope the Uighur issue will be resolved.

 

[straighttalk]

I have visited China for work and I was impressed. The cities which were slums in 2005 are now skyscrapers. The infrastructure in big cities is pretty good.mthere is a lot of smog but the govt seems to be doing quite a bit. Didn't see any trash or sewage on the road. Lots of construction and industrialization going on.

The posh malls and all are very similar to India. But the cityscape and skyscrapers are better. Nicely maintained riverfront and lakefront areas....

Very safe ..at night 2 am..I saw women walking around. The children seems eager to practice English and used to reach out on their own to my Caucasian colleagues. Food is awesome...they played Bollywood music in my honor in many business establishments.

To me it seemed more Singapore type than like Western cities. I didn't get a chance to experience their trains etc.

However they seem to track you..I got lots of job offers after I returned home. One thing that stood out at work place

If you are customer they flatter you beyond anything you can imagine.

If you are supplier it's completely reverse.

They take a nap at workplace around 12 with regimented 5 mins exercise gaps. Enjoyed playing table tennis with them.

Saw lots of Pakistanis in the airport ...knew about good relationship at govt level .did t know there was people to people movement too.

 

[Local.Dada]

Nothing wrong with learning good things from other countries/ cultures.

For one I like the fact that Chinese primarily communicate and get educated even in modern science and technology concepts in their own native tongue. They dont treat English as a status symbol or measure of education like in our part of the world. At least that’s the impression I get.

I had a misconception that Chinese people had more civic sense than Desis.
however go on any tourist city tour bus in the west coast or Canada , usually filled with Chinese tourists,they cut through lines, spit on the road, talk loudly and obnoxiously etc. in fact I would argue Desis overseas probably are more self aware.

Only differences is Indians in India lack civic sense but are better behaved overseas for the most part while Chinese people not so much overseas but definitely seem to stay in line due to the govt in China.


Moral of the story is: we need a dictatorial regime. Make it happen Modiji that’s a lesson learnt. We don’t need the farcical elections that happen in India and waste peoples time,resources and money and cause traffic jams and blockades.

 

[straighttalk]

Even the Western world hasn’t managed to learn from China’s transformation, yet people expect India to?

China has modernized at a pace no Western nation has been able to match. It’s starting to resemble the Ottoman scenario, an empire that dominated for centuries but fell behind because it refused to modernize while Europe surged ahead.

Today, China is the one moving forward, not just in technology, but in human development, while the West resists that same evolution and, in some areas, is outright regressing. Military upgrades alone won’t close that gap, modernization requires societal, economic, and structural transformation, not just new hardware.

The result is what you shared but the reason is not entirely correct.

The west built China by sharing technology training and knowhow...everything was done by greedy capitalist western companies. Over time China could transfer these knowledge to other industries.

Add in huge populations, corporate espionage and stealing IP, forces labor and low cost with govt subsidies....they created a juggernaut but this was handed to them on a platter by US companies.

Credit to China is to focus on the right thing. Being a dictatorship helps as they can do what is right without worrying about environment or people , and uplifting them.

 

[straighttalk]

Nothing wrong with learning good things from other countries/ cultures.

For one I like the fact that Chinese primarily communicate and get educated even in modern science and technology concepts in their own native tongue. They dont treat English as a status symbol or measure of education like in our part of the world. At least that’s the impression I get.

I had a misconception that Chinese people had more civic sense than Desis.
however go on any tourist city tour bus in the west coast or Canada , usually filled with Chinese tourists,they cut through lines, spit on the road, talk loudly and obnoxiously etc. in fact I would argue Desis overseas probably are more self aware.

Only differences is Indians in India lack civic sense but are better behaved overseas for the most part while Chinese people not so much overseas but definitely seem to stay in line due to the govt in China.


Moral of the story is: we need a dictatorial regime. Make it happen Modiji that’s a lesson learnt. We don’t need the farcical elections that happen in India and waste peoples time,resources and money and cause traffic jams and blockades.

Dictatorship is the last thing we need specially with a party that has fascist backing...it's a recipe for disaster....what we need is accountability..less GODI media and independent agencies to ensure govts deliver and can't create IT cell propaganda..modi might be the best person to rule India given alternatives but his focus is on religious discord, and his achievements are more on foreign policy...less now, big projects and military victories..but our infra our economy job growth etc are in shambles...corruption is rampant. Waterlogging. Aqi, health care , unemployment ..we have an inept opposition. And a media that has become sp cringe that BJP is escaping accountability

 

[Champ_Pal]

Modi adds to the problem in bolded part. You cannot ask a perpetrator to deliver the justice. A head of state he should focus on governance instead of appeasement. To rally people behind you, you need to see them as equal and not divide on religious lines. Xi is an atheist and adheres to Marxist views on religion.

Look what Modi tweeted today -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1995751533900956129

India is plagued by a plethora of religions. They do not offer any practical solutions to the problems people face. All they do is give motivation accept and continue. These religions are there to stay. Not going away anytime soon.

I don't mind whther Modi hypes up some cult or tweets about some ritual. What matters is whether the projects taken up are completed or not. Heck, look at the Farmers protest. You should know it very well. What is supposed to benefit farmers was taken down because of protestors. No one can dare do the same in China. This is just a tiny example. India is stuck. Too many freeloaders, victims, corrupted, unintelligent, mentally unfit people handling critical portfolios in the government.

I used to think Punjab was a model state in India in 90's and 2000's thanks to Bollywood. But having seen the videos shared on social media, I am glad I am not a Punjabi. I don't know how people are even surviving there when the air is too polluted to even breathe.

 

[HalBass9]

The result is what you shared but the reason is not entirely correct.

The west built China by sharing technology training and knowhow...everything was done by greedy capitalist western companies. Over time China could transfer these knowledge to other industries.

Add in huge populations, corporate espionage and stealing IP, forces labor and low cost with govt subsidies....they created a juggernaut but this was handed to them on a platter by US companies.

Credit to China is to focus on the right thing. Being a dictatorship helps as they can do what is right without worrying about environment or people , and uplifting them.

So?

 

[RexRex]

Moral of the story is: we need a dictatorial regime. Make it happen Modiji that’s a lesson learnt. We don’t need the farcical elections that happen in India and waste peoples time,resources and money and cause traffic jams and blockades.

The problem with dictatorships is it is very hard to find a benevolent dictator. Which is probably why most countries in the world today are some form of hybrid democracy.

 

[Local.Dada]

The problem with dictatorships is it is very hard to find a benevolent dictator. Which is probably why most countries in the world today are some form of flawed democracy.

I said that tounge in cheek for the most part .Our people do need a danda to get some civic sense instilled though.

 

[RexRex]

I said that tounge in cheek for the most part .Our people do need a danda to get some civic sense instilled though.

It would be nice if civic sense/hygiene was enforced with strict fines and jail punishment through some national law created by BJP. But I think this area is under the jurisdiction of state law rather than federal law. Which means a top-down approach is near impossible.

 

[sweep_shot]

What can Indians learn from Chinese:

1) Being self-accountable.
2) Being efficient.
3) Time management.
4) Minding own business.
5) How to be a military powerhouse (actual powerhouse; not fake Bollywood powerhouse).
6) How to be an economic giant (actual giant; not fake giant).
7) How to be model immigrants in foreign countries.
8) How to lead in AI and renewable energy sectors.

What can Chinese learn from Indians:

1) How to cook foods.
2) How to play cricket.

That's it.

 

[straighttalk]

I said that tounge in cheek for the most part .Our people do need a danda to get some civic sense instilled though.

What astounds me is that India built so many nice highways...yet no one follows lanes..there are seat belts..yet no one uses it...the only thing lacking in Indian highways is proper ramps and exits...but that's hard to do.