[VIDEO] "When I'd go to the toss with the Indian captain, he would be looking scared": PM Imran Khan

[Abdullah719]

[VIDEO] "When I'd go to the toss with the Indian captain, he would be looking scared": PM Imran Khan

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM Imran Khan "I used to feel sorry for the Indian team because we beat them so often. They were under a lot of pressure. When I used to go to toss with their captain, I'd look at his face & he would be looking scared. Our rivals in those days weren't India" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/wI2nYb3QFM">pic.twitter.com/wI2nYb3QFM</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1253327061738909707?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[Rana]

Probably true

 

[hitthestump]

For any young fans reading this there was a very long period where India were really bad and we were the dominant team.

It might be unthinkable now but outside of WC's Pakistan have historically always beaten India and it's only in this current era where they've turned it round.

 

[Geil]

That is very irresponsible statement true or false does not matter ,especially now that he is the PM of Pakistan and also at such a time when the general relationship between two nations is at very sensitive point.

Maybe if he was not a pm he could say that and would be believable if he said it in the past , I do not know if he said it in the past or present but if he said it as a Pm of Pakistan than it is very irresponsible and hard to believe such statement now that he is a political leader

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

That's true
I also remember Pakistani captains like Misbah, Azhar and many others from 2007 (till Sarfraz and Babar came) so scared in front of their Indian counter parts. Misbah looked as if he would surrender before the match even started.

Such mindset is one of the pivotal reasons why PAK lost so many times to India in the last 13 years. Even in 2019 we beat much better teams than India but couldn't beat them sadly.

 

[MenInG]

Would love to hear an Indian player pov from that time.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Seeing Imran Khan, Miandad, Wasim, Waqar and Qadir anybody would be scared.

 

[MMHS]

During Imran’s time, I think only two three times India had the better result in a series or even game - 1979 tour of India, 1985 B&H mini WC and that 1992 WC Game, of which only at SCG, Imran was Captain, therefore I think that statement is correct, though it sure it's politically correct for a prime minister.

During Imran’s Captaincy, I think India’s best result was 0-0 in Pakistan in 1989, otherwise 0-2 in 1978’ 0-3 in 1982-3, 0-1 at home in 1987. In ODI also that 1987 series went 1-5 for PAK (should have been 0-6), Neheru Cup game was won by PAK (& the tournament as well).

There was always a rivalry between IND-PAK and that's still now in these days, but just like now Pakistan is not India's on field rival these days, it was opposite in 1980s. I think, it was Manjerakar once said in live air - ”....let’s not mince words here - PAK dominated us in 1980s & 90s simply because they had a much better team; no comparison in bowling and their batting was as good as ours”.

 

[ahmedzee]

our main rivals were west indies, and i said that even before watching the video. I remember back then the west indies was the team to beat. We had a lot of great contests with them.

 

[Dulex9]

During Imran’s time, I think only two three times India had the better result in a series or even game - 1979 tour of India, 1985 B&H mini WC and that 1992 WC Game, of which only at SCG, Imran was Captain, therefore I think that statement is correct, though it sure it's politically correct for a prime minister.

During Imran’s Captaincy, I think India’s best result was 0-0 in Pakistan in 1989, otherwise 0-2 in 1978’ 0-3 in 1982-3, 0-1 at home in 1987. In ODI also that 1987 series went 1-5 for PAK (should have been 0-6), Neheru Cup game was won by PAK (& the tournament as well).

There was always a rivalry between IND-PAK and that's still now in these days, but just like now Pakistan is not India's on field rival these days, it was opposite in 1980s. I think, it was Manjerakar once said in live air - ”....let’s not mince words here - PAK dominated us in 1980s & 90s simply because they had a much better team; no comparison in bowling and their batting was as good as ours”.

India beat Pak in that infamous 125 all out game.

From that Maindad 6, Pak for the next 15 years got the better of India. Austral-asia cup Pak won all those tournaments.

 

[Hawkeye]

Ugh.

Yes, it is true what he is saying, but it seems irrelevant and laughable in today's world, where they are dominating in every facet of the game, but also economically and at the world stage.

So, this seems like a bit of sour grapes now because we have a lot of catching up to do.

They reversed their fortunes.

And we went in a free fall dive - so laughing at them for happened decades ago doesn't look good on us.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Ugh.

Yes, it is true what he is saying, but it seems irrelevant and laughable in today's world, where they are dominating in every facet of the game, but also economically and at the world stage.

So, this seems like a bit of sour grapes now because we have a lot of catching up to do.

They reversed their fortunes.

And we went in a free fall dive - so laughing at them for happened decades ago doesn't look good on us.

This is what happens when you have chickens like Misbah and Azhar as captains/ coaches.

India had very poor leadership till Ganguly took over.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

So basically he is saying that the likes of kapil dev, sunil gavaskar, mohd azharuddin were scared at the toss.

Well, if someone like sarfaraz can say that india is scared of playing pakistan then imran can say whatever he likes.

 

[Rana]

That is very irresponsible statement true or false does not matter ,especially now that he is the PM of Pakistan and also at such a time when the general relationship between two nations is at very sensitive point.

Maybe if he was not a pm he could say that and would be believable if he said it in the past , I do not know if he said it in the past or present but if he said it as a Pm of Pakistan than it is very irresponsible and hard to believe such statement now that he is a political leader

Lol I doubt it would trigger a nuclear war

 

[Rana]

So basically he is saying that the likes of kapil dev, sunil gavaskar, mohd azharuddin were scared at the toss.

Well, if someone like sarfaraz can say that india is scared of playing pakistan then imran can say whatever he likes.

I think Sarfaraz is right. India are scared of playing Pakistan or even suggesting this as an option because their government and Hindutva extremists will crucify them. I would rightly be scared

 

[FreePalestine]

That is very irresponsible statement true or false does not matter ,especially now that he is the PM of Pakistan and also at such a time when the general relationship between two nations is at very sensitive point.

Maybe if he was not a pm he could say that and would be believable if he said it in the past , I do not know if he said it in the past or present but if he said it as a Pm of Pakistan than it is very irresponsible and hard to believe such statement now that he is a political leader

This is nothing... Indian politicians are obsessed with Pakistan and say a whole lot worse daily.

 

[UP]

Tables have turned now. In fact, they turned back in 2003. Pak team afraid when they face India nowadays.

 

[Hawkeye]

This is what happens when you have chickens like Misbah and Azhar as captains/ coaches.

India had very poor leadership till Ganguly took over.

Ignorance at its finest. Now please read the following post with an open mind. For a moment, ignore your previous bias.

Misbah is the one who actually came in and reversed our poor cricketing record post-IK. We were constantly losing matches and he made us a proper force to be reckoned with. Achieved #1 Test ranking too. Whitewashed ENG, AUS, won away in ENG - entire Lord's cricket ground gave a standing ovation and salute to Misbah for his leadership from the front and a winning century. Beat IND in IND too in #aneydo series.

In Misbah's tenure, played: 48 Tests, won24, lost 13 and Drew 11.
In the 6 years prior, played: 48 Tests, won 12, lost 22, drew 14.

We had an atrocrious record before he took charge and became the undisputed king of Tests after IK for Pakistan.

Statistically, he's the most successful Pakistani Test captain in our history with the most number of victories. But IK would still rank ahead obviously, so he's a 2nd.

 

[Savak]

Times have changed now. India has the upper hand on the cricket field and off the cricket field. The BCCI riches and the riches that have now fallen upon the current indians players and the ex indians players via broadcasting jobs, coaching jobs, pensions has now enabled even the ex Indian Cricketers to look at Pakistan very indifferently and with contempt now.

Just look at the attitudes of Ravi Shashtri, Sunil Gavaskar, Kapil Dev, Sourav Ganguly e.t.c. Previously these guys would be in favor of close ties with Pakistan, frequent cricketing ties with Pakistan but now they are enjoying the boycott of Pakistan and the fact that the PCB needs the BCCI desperately while the BCCI can comfortably afford to boycott the PCB.

 

[Hawkeye]

Times have changed now. India has the upper hand on the cricket field and off the cricket field. The BCCI riches and the riches that have now fallen upon the current indians players and the ex indians players via broadcasting jobs, coaching jobs, pensions has now enabled even the ex Indian Cricketers to look at Pakistan very indifferently and with contempt now.

Just look at the attitudes of Ravi Shashtri, Sunil Gavaskar, Kapil Dev, Sourav Ganguly e.t.c. Previously these guys would be in favor of close ties with Pakistan, frequent cricketing ties with Pakistan but now they are enjoying the boycott of Pakistan and the fact that the PCB needs the BCCI desperately while the BCCI can comfortably afford to boycott the PCB.

Yeah.

The idiots in this show were laughing at this statement as we're still a bigger force.

Seems like bitter and sour grapes because we have a lot of catching up to do, both on and off-the-field.

 

[Muhammad10]

Yeah.

The idiots in this show were laughing at this statement as we're still a bigger force.

Seems like bitter and sour grapes because we have a lot of catching up to do, both on and off-the-field.

IK actually mentioned after this that India are currently ahead of us in cricket. He was specifically asked a question about his playing days which is why he stated how things were in his time.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India vs Pakistan till 31 dec 2000

Tests :

Played: 47
Won: 5
Loss: 9
Draw: 33
W/L: 0.55

ODI's :

Played: 85
Won: 29
Loss: 52
NR: 4
W/L: 0.557

India vs Pakistan from 1 Jan 2001

Tests:

Played: 12
Won: 4
Lost: 3
Draw: 5
W/L: 1.333

ODI's:

Played: 47
Won: 26
Lost: 21
NR: 0
W/L: 1.238

 

[Zaz]

India vs Pakistan till 31 dec 2000

Tests :

Played: 47
Won: 5
Loss: 9
Draw: 33
W/L: 0.55

ODI's :

Played: 85
Won: 29
Loss: 52
NR: 4
W/L: 0.557

India vs Pakistan from 1 Jan 2001

Tests:

Played: 12
Won: 4
Lost: 3
Draw: 5
W/L: 1.333

ODI's:

Played: 47
Won: 26
Lost: 21
NR: 0
W/L: 1.238

India have had the upper hand in the 2010s but nothing like how pak dominated them in the 80s and to a lesser extent in the 90s

Theres was hardly anything between the team in the 2000s Its since 2010 things have tilted in indias favour

 

[Geil]

This is nothing... Indian politicians are obsessed with Pakistan and say a whole lot worse daily.

Being a famous cricketer and personality such like Imran Khan who is well educated and is expected to be responsible has turned out to be just another usual politician with the kind of statements he gives but yeah that is true the Obsession is both ways which is a strong reason why both nations are still very poor nations

 

[Ab Fan]

Indian were still a good team in 80s, won the World Cup in '83, test championship in '85 in Australia, Asia cups quite often and were one of the favourites in 1987 World cup.

It was surprisingly a decade where Indian test team were arguably the weakest at home with no quality test spin bowler. We had Bedi and Chandra in 70s, Kumble in 90s supported by Bhajji in 00s, Ash and Jaddu in 10s but none in 80s. We generally did fine away.

 

[Geil]

Lol I doubt it would trigger a nuclear war

no doubts that Imran Khan is just another usual politician who is no different or unique from others as he was in his cricketing career

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India have had the upper hand in the 2010s but nothing like how pak dominated them in the 80s and to a lesser extent in the 90s

Theres was hardly anything between the team in the 2000s Its since 2010 things have tilted in indias favour

Pakistan is still ahead in Head to Head. Reason for that is their pre 2001 stats.

 

[Ab Fan]

India have had the upper hand in the 2010s but nothing like how pak dominated them in the 80s and to a lesser extent in the 90s

Theres was hardly anything between the team in the 2000s Its since 2010 things have tilted in indias favour

Nope, India won a test series in Pakistan and also won the two biggest ICC games of that decade- 2003 WC and 2007 WT20 final.

 

[Saj]

Pakistan by and large dominated India at that time and were seen as the stronger team, but the tables have turned.

In fact India would be clear favourites if a Test series were to happen at the moment.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Imran is right. Indian players used to have sleepless nights thinking of Pakistan, in fact even today. As we often agree on Pakistan is by far the greatest cricket nation ever. India is somewhere at 6-7.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Miss the Indo-Pak rivalry so much, both in cricket as well as hockey.

 

[Swashbuckler]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] India and Pakistan played a lot against each other in 80s, 90s and 00s, decent amount in 70s as well, a couple of series in the 50s. We have some idea how the matches would have unfolded last decade. But we didn't play each other in the 60s and know less about players from that era. How do you think the results would have looked like had we played 2-3 series in that decade. From what I gather both sides were quite weak. Who were some greats from back then who could have played defining roles in matches then hypothetically speaking?

 

[Geil]

Ignorance at its finest. Now please read the following post with an open mind. For a moment, ignore your previous bias.

Misbah is the one who actually came in and reversed our poor cricketing record post-IK. We were constantly losing matches and he made us a proper force to be reckoned with. Achieved #1 Test ranking too. Whitewashed ENG, AUS, won away in ENG - entire Lord's cricket ground gave a standing ovation and salute to Misbah for his leadership from the front and a winning century. Beat IND in IND too in #aneydo series.

In Misbah's tenure, played: 48 Tests, won24, lost 13 and Drew 11.
In the 6 years prior, played: 48 Tests, won 12, lost 22, drew 14.

We had an atrocrious record before he took charge and became the undisputed king of Tests after IK for Pakistan.

Statistically, he's the most successful Pakistani Test captain in our history with the most number of victories. But IK would still rank ahead obviously, so he's a 2nd.

The stats you present are all true but what I dont like about Misbah as captain is the legacy he left as a captain when he retired with both ODI and test , as soon as he retired Pakistan further dropped and started losing test series at even UAE were they were good

In ODI anyway Misbah was very pathetic as captain with one of his highlights being winning ODI series in South Africa and in other big tournament like WC/CT he failed miserably,

What strong successful captains like ganguly, Imran Khan and dhoni do is develop a good team over a period of time which can carry on with the same or even be more successful team than their captained teams.

 

[Zaz]

Nope, India won a test series in Pakistan and also won the two biggest ICC games of that decade- 2003 WC and 2007 WT20 final.

India also won 3 world cup games in the 90s Even when pakistan were the better n had a better head to head then

Check the stats In the head to head in the 00s theres hardly anything between the 2 teams

 

[Swashbuckler]

India did surprisingly well in the 90s when our worst was against Pakistan's best, I expected it to be a lot worse. We took a big dent in the 80s both in tests and ODIs.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Miss the Indo-Pak rivalry so much, both in cricket as well as hockey.

Exactly this. No matter how hard some of our fans try to call Australia our rivals, Aussies can never take Pakistan's place. The build up to matches against Pakistan is unmatchable.

 

[Swashbuckler]

80s was the only decade when we didn't have a single world class spinner. Between quartet's departure and Kumble's arrival we were a very vulnerable team especially at home, FGS England had an upper hand in India that decade. In 80s we had more memorable triumphs overseas than in India like the WC win, BH mini-WC, series win in England, 2 drawn series in Australia, towards the end we drew a 4 test series in Pak which was a huge upset. Kapil was a lone ranger for most of that decade but historically our bowling attack has always centered around spinners, so we had poor results despite his heroics.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Exactly this. No matter how hard some of our fans try to call Australia our rivals, Aussies can never take Pakistan's place. The build up to matches against Pakistan is unmatchable.

Yeah those who hype up Ind-Aus rivalry are delusional. In tests maybe they have a point but overall no way. I have never been a bigger nervous wreck than those 36 hours on match eve and match day during Mohali 2011 clash. The most hyped up cricket match till date, we could see how the pressure took a toll on the greats who played that match including SRT.

 

[Savak]

India vs Pakistan till 31 dec 2000

Tests :

Played: 47
Won: 5
Loss: 9
Draw: 33
W/L: 0.55

ODI's :

Played: 85
Won: 29
Loss: 52
NR: 4
W/L: 0.557

India vs Pakistan from 1 Jan 2001

Tests:

Played: 12
Won: 4
Lost: 3
Draw: 5
W/L: 1.333

ODI's:

Played: 47
Won: 26
Lost: 21
NR: 0
W/L: 1.238

This is why i feel the Indians are dumb in boycotting Pakistan they can completely change the course of the overall head to head Pakistan India record but it is their wish not to. Every Cricket team goes through cycles and it remains to be seen how India will fair once the likes of Kohli, Sharma, Dhawan depart.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan by and large dominated India at that time and were seen as the stronger team, but the tables have turned.

In fact India would be clear favourites if a Test series were to happen at the moment.

Pakistan does well when their backs are against the wall and they are seen as the underdogs, they do well without the pressure of expectations. Whenever the teams have been evenly matched or if Pakistan has been the superior team, India has enjoyed the abscence of pressure

 

[Savak]

I still feel Pakistan can surprise India in a billateral game or even a billateral series. We did after all beat India 2-1 in 2012/13. The problem is our players most end up playing against India on the big stage i.e. Asia Cup, T-20 WC, ODI WC where the pressure of the big stage takes over. In a billateral series, the Pak players tend to relax and be under less pressure and tend to humanize the opposition in front of it.

 

[Swashbuckler]

This is why i feel the Indians are dumb in boycotting Pakistan they can completely change the course of the overall head to head Pakistan India record but it is their wish not to. Every Cricket team goes through cycles and it remains to be seen how India will fair once the likes of Kohli, Sharma, Dhawan depart.

I feel ODI and T20 H2H are overrated, do we even know our teams' H2H against England or Australia. I believe WC/WT20/CT encounters, tournament finals and some special ATG matches (like Karachi 2004, Motera 2005, Asia Cups 2010 and 2014 etc.) are the ones we remember and care about.

Pakistan dominated India in the 80s and 90s but lost the mini-WC final and 3 WC encounters, at least one of those 3 they were tournament favorites, semi against Sri Lanka and final in Lahore, huge missed opportunity. Likewise even though India has been better this decade the defining images will be Misbah in Mohali and Sarfaraz holding the CT aloft, who cares about H2H, right?

In tests a different matter, H2H is important.

 

[Savak]

I feel ODI and T20 H2H are overrated, do we even know our teams' H2H against England or Australia. I believe WC/WT20/CT encounters, tournament finals and some special ATG matches (like Karachi 2004, Motera 2005, Asia Cups 2010 and 2014 etc.) are the ones we remember and care about.

Pakistan dominated India in the 80s and 90s but lost the mini-WC final and 3 WC encounters, at least one of those 3 they were tournament favorites, semi against Sri Lanka and final in Lahore, huge missed opportunity. Likewise even though India has been better this decade the defining images will be Misbah in Mohali and Sarfaraz holding the CT aloft, who cares about H2H, right?

In tests a different matter, H2H is important.

Would you feel the same if the Indians had the upper hand?

Regarding the WC games, i blame our media, fans and ex-test cricketers, they keep bragging and bringing up that Pakistan has never beaten India on the big stage i.e. the WC and hence the players end up putting unnecessary pressure on themselves and don't treat it as a regular game.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

That is very irresponsible statement true or false does not matter ,especially now that he is the PM of Pakistan and also at such a time when the general relationship between two nations is at very sensitive point.

Maybe if he was not a pm he could say that and would be believable if he said it in the past , I do not know if he said it in the past or present but if he said it as a Pm of Pakistan than it is very irresponsible and hard to believe such statement now that he is a political leader

Ugh.

Yes, it is true what he is saying, but it seems irrelevant and laughable in today's world, where they are dominating in every facet of the game, but also economically and at the world stage.

So, this seems like a bit of sour grapes now because we have a lot of catching up to do.

They reversed their fortunes.

And we went in a free fall dive - so laughing at them for happened decades ago doesn't look good on us.

So basically he is saying that the likes of kapil dev, sunil gavaskar, mohd azharuddin were scared at the toss.

Well, if someone like sarfaraz can say that india is scared of playing pakistan then imran can say whatever he likes.

Yeah.

The idiots in this show were laughing at this statement as we're still a bigger force.

Seems like bitter and sour grapes because we have a lot of catching up to do, both on and off-the-field.

Being a famous cricketer and personality such like Imran Khan who is well educated and is expected to be responsible has turned out to be just another usual politician with the kind of statements he gives but yeah that is true the Obsession is both ways which is a strong reason why both nations are still very poor nations

no doubts that Imran Khan is just another usual politician who is no different or unique from others as he was in his cricketing career

This is not breaking news IK said this before, well before he was the PM, heck even before he joined politics if I’m not mistaken.
So especially [MENTION=144551]Geil[/MENTION] you’re trying a bit too hard to this has nothing to do with politics, you just need to be a certain age and a fan of Pakistani cricket and IK in particular to know he has said this before.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

That's true
I also remember Pakistani captains like Misbah, Azhar and many others from 2007 (till Sarfraz and Babar came) so scared in front of their Indian counter parts. Misbah looked as if he would surrender before the match even started.

Such mindset is one of the pivotal reasons why PAK lost so many times to India in the last 13 years. Even in 2019 we beat much better teams than India but couldn't beat them sadly.

Not just these captains did you see Shafqat Amanat Ali singing the Quami tarana before the T20 World Cup match against them in India? I’ve not seen it again but I remember watching it live and he literally looked like he was bricking it.
Not sure it did much for the teams morale. Though not sure if that was more of a contributory factor than messr Afridi playing a seam heavy attack on a pitch that spun square.

 

[Abdullah719]

 

[Saj]

Pakistan does well when their backs are against the wall and they are seen as the underdogs, they do well without the pressure of expectations. Whenever the teams have been evenly matched or if Pakistan has been the superior team, India has enjoyed the abscence of pressure

Nonsense.

Recent World Cups, Pakistan have not been favourites and still got thrashed.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

India did surprisingly well in the 90s when our worst was against Pakistan's best, I expected it to be a lot worse. We took a big dent in the 80s both in tests and ODIs.

I think a lot of Indian ODI wins in that era came in Canada in the Sahara cup. Don't exactly remember but even Ganguly used to wreck Pakistani batting line-up in Canada.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The 90's were decent until the 98 Sahara cup and then it was like the 80's again with 8 straight losses to Pakistan in ODIs. That hurt to be honest.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Would you feel the same if the Indians had the upper hand?

Yes I would, I don't bother about ODI/T20 H2H against other sides. I am pretty sure we lead NZ in ODI H2H but they have the upper hand over us in important games. Same with Ind-SL T20 H2H, they won the 2014 final making the H2H irrelevant.

Tests different case, we know what happened in the ODI series after the 2006 Karachi test but does anyone even bother about that? Likewise the 2005 series for me was over after Balaji's dismissal in Chinnaswamy. Very hard to recollect results of ODIs and T20s in general, only remember ATG matches which are few and far between.

Regarding the WC games, i blame our media, fans and ex-test cricketers, they keep bragging and bringing up that Pakistan has never beaten India on the big stage i.e. the WC and hence the players end up putting unnecessary pressure on themselves and don't treat it as a regular game.

You really should have won in the 90s with that team of yours against such a weak Indian side, one defeat may be upset but to lose 3? That too when you won one of those WCs and made final in another? Talks of the streak started in 2003.

 

[Indiafan]

India vs Pakistan till 31 dec 2000

Tests :

Played: 47
Won: 5
Loss: 9
Draw: 33
W/L: 0.55

ODI's :

Played: 85
Won: 29
Loss: 52
NR: 4
W/L: 0.557

India vs Pakistan from 1 Jan 2001

Tests:

Played: 12
Won: 4
Lost: 3
Draw: 5
W/L: 1.333

ODI's:

Played: 47
Won: 26
Lost: 21
NR: 0
W/L: 1.238

And? How does any of this show that India was scared? Are you vouching that gavaskar etc were scared in a game? Its your need for self pity so great?

 

[FreePalestine]

Being a famous cricketer and personality such like Imran Khan who is well educated and is expected to be responsible has turned out to be just another usual politician with the kind of statements he gives but yeah that is true the Obsession is both ways which is a strong reason why both nations are still very poor nations

Obsession is way stronger on the Indian side, I think. Pakistani narratives don’t really involve an anti-India sentiment at their core... we are doing our own thing mostly. This is a casual joke, no need to take it too seriously. Look up some of the things Modi and others say about Pakistan then you will understand the difference and stop creating false equivalencies..

 

[Geil]

This is not breaking news IK said this before, well before he was the PM, heck even before he joined politics if I’m not mistaken.
So especially [MENTION=144551]Geil[/MENTION] you’re trying a bit too hard to this has nothing to do with politics, you just need to be a certain age and a fan of Pakistani cricket and IK in particular to know he has said this before.

I dont know if he has said it before and i made it very clear in my post that i dont know but if i am not mistaken he said it when he is a PM so everything he does will have a political view to it especially when he is quoting India in any way cricket or as a nation , he has to be responsible as he is representing PM of pakistan, i have no problems with the cricketer IK but the PM IK i think it is irresponsible to make such statement as PM

In India too politicians tries to connect or find ways to say something negative about Pakistan to make a headline and show that Pakistan cant be good to India and now with such statement as PM IK is also doing the same thing in my view

 

[Geil]

Obsession is way stronger on the Indian side, I think. Pakistani narratives don’t really involve an anti-India sentiment at their core... we are doing our own thing mostly. This is a casual joke, no need to take it too seriously. Look up some of the things Modi and others say about Pakistan then you will understand the difference and stop creating false equivalencies..

I agree in India the anti Pakistan sentiment is more stronger could be any reason but I think it is more to do with the religion as one can see the way Muslims are treated in India, but IK as a PM and politician making a negative statement about India is irresponsible and I am not comparing him with Indian Politician or PM of India, I think it is more to do with his politics to make such statement

 

[Iqbal'sh]

I dont know if he has said it before and i made it very clear in my post that i dont know but if i am not mistaken he said it when he is a PM so everything he does will have a political view to it especially when he is quoting India in any way cricket or as a nation , he has to be responsible as he is representing PM of pakistan, i have no problems with the cricketer IK but the PM IK i think it is irresponsible to make such statement as PM

In India too politicians tries to connect or find ways to say something negative about Pakistan to make a headline and show that Pakistan cant be good to India and now with such statement as PM IK is also doing the same thing in my view

He was asked a question to which he gave a reply. The same reply he has given when asked about India/Pakistan rivalry during his playing days.
Just because he is now the PM doesn’t mean he should stop being honest. India can react in any which way they choose. IK isn’t losing any sleep over it.
Tbh his response is measured and contextual so no need to make an issue out of this.

 

[Geil]

He was asked a question to which he gave a reply. The same reply he has given when asked about India/Pakistan rivalry during his playing days.
Just because he is now the PM doesn’t mean he should stop being honest. India can react in any which way they choose. IK isn’t losing any sleep over it.
Tbh his response is measured and contextual so no need to make an issue out of this.

Do you take Politician as a honest person? I don't take them as an honest person and I think this statement of IK has to do more with the political tension between India and Pakistan which I don't like, we can differ on that subject as you think it has nothing to do with politics , but i will have issue with that as i see him to be just another typical politician who is making such statement in the current political context between India and Pakistan especially he being the PM and using words like "Indian cricket captain looking scared" which is the words I find irresponsible on IK as a politician and PM of Pakistan

 

[Ab Fan]

India also won 3 world cup games in the 90s Even when pakistan were the better n had a better head to head then

Check the stats In the head to head in the 00s theres hardly anything between the 2 teams

In 90s, Pakistan were bigger without any doubt as clear by H2h record and even though India won all three WC games doesn't change that. Yes, that WC wins were like saving grace for us but that's it. We also lost a home test series to Pakistan in '99.

But in 2000s, India were better than Pakistan not only in terms of H2h but also got the better in those two big world tournament games and has a test series win in Pakistan. Pakistan were definitely competitive but my point is it was not either way in that decade, India clearly wins.

 

[Saj]

The turnaround came due to investment and clear planning.

PCB sat in a comfort zone, let domestic cricket rot, allowed corruption to take over domestic teams and the NCA became a party zone.

Meanwhile the BCCI invested in the best coaches, improved pitches, pumped money into domestic cricket and looked ahead and not backwards.

 

[Savak]

The turnaround came due to investment and clear planning.

PCB sat in a comfort zone, let domestic cricket rot, allowed corruption to take over domestic teams and the NCA became a party zone.

Meanwhile the BCCI invested in the best coaches, improved pitches, pumped money into domestic cricket and looked ahead and not backwards.

There is nothing stopping the PCB from hiring Younis Khan, Mohd Yousaf for the NCA, U19 and A teams even now

 

[Faizhassan]

Thats not the point is, you are here for a fund raiser, do that, we are facing a pandemic and nobody wants to listen to these "fairy tales" as how much Indians were afraid of you. As a matter of fact, he could have praised Indians, I mean anything for "fund raising" for a "good cause".

 

[FreePalestine]

So many overreactions on this thread.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Do you take Politician as a honest person? I don't take them as an honest person and I think this statement of IK has to do more with the political tension between India and Pakistan which I don't like, we can differ on that subject as you think it has nothing to do with politics , but i will have issue with that as i see him to be just another typical politician who is making such statement in the current political context between India and Pakistan especially he being the PM and using words like "Indian cricket captain looking scared" which is the words I find irresponsible on IK as a politician and PM of Pakistan

I think either you’re failing to grasp a pretty simple notion or you’re ignorant to it.
Let me repeat for the nth time IT IS NOT ANYTHING NEW, HE SAID IT BEFORE HE WAS A POLITICIAN.
Why should he know lie just because he is the PM?
He is also anything but a politician, in the typical desi sense. As he has repeatedly stated he was one of the greatest public figures (celebrity) in the Asian subcontinent, why did he even have a need to enter such a dirty game.
He did it because the country he was born in was fast becoming a basket case in front of his eyes and he could tolerate it no further.
This has little to do with India/Pak political relations so stop bringing in an agenda that doesn’t fit.
If you bother to do a bit of research you will find the information I referred to.

 

[Zaz]

In 90s, Pakistan were bigger without any doubt as clear by H2h record and even though India won all three WC games doesn't change that. Yes, that WC wins were like saving grace for us but that's it. We also lost a home test series to Pakistan in '99.

But in 2000s, India were better than Pakistan not only in terms of H2h but also got the better in those two big world tournament games and has a test series win in Pakistan. Pakistan were definitely competitive but my point is it was not either way in that decade, India clearly wins.

No they werent Check the stats rather than going off your memory Yes india won the crucial tournament games as usual in the 2000s but again the head to head is pretty much even through the decade

Its in the 2010s that india have decisively pulled away dominating pakistan comprehensively and regularly

 

[tyron_woodley]

That's true
I also remember Pakistani captains like Misbah, Azhar and many others from 2007 (till Sarfraz and Babar came) so scared in front of their Indian counter parts. Misbah looked as if he would surrender before the match even started.

Such mindset is one of the pivotal reasons why PAK lost so many times to India in the last 13 years. Even in 2019 we beat much better teams than India but couldn't beat them sadly.

india weren't even full strength. India dint have dhawan and had a makeshift middle order thanks to that blundering idiot of a coach. Still easily a top 2 team. They were on top of the ladder for a reason.

So you dint 'beat' better teams. India were joint favourites to win along with England.

 

[tyron_woodley]

There is nothing stopping the PCB from hiring Younis Khan, Mohd Yousaf for the NCA, U19 and A teams even now

no indian great barring dravid would want to even coach india cause they are selfish
sachin, sehwag and the other members of the great test side of mid 2000 would never be interested in imparting their knowledge to the modern youngsters as they would like to preserve their records and accolades etc. Don't like to see one of their own rise up.

Hoping one day dravid coaches india instead of that noob charlatan idiot shastri.

 

[kamz]

people missed the fact that imran has been fairin that clip itself where he even acknowledged that now india is far stronger

jeez people do get riled up and gt blind sided by the first comment

 

[Savak]

no indian great barring dravid would want to even coach india cause they are selfish.
sachin, shewag and the other members of the great test side of mid 2000 would never be interested in imparting their knowledge to the modern youngsters as they would like to preserve their records and accolades etc. Don't like to see one of their own rise up.

Hoping one day dravid coaches india instead of that noob charlatan idiot shastri.

Tendulkar, Laxman, Ganguly, Dravid served as part of the BCCI Cricket Committee. That's pretty decent contribution.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And? How does any of this show that India was scared? Are you vouching that gavaskar etc were scared in a game? Its your need for self pity so great?

Lol what an insenstive guy you are. Calm down. I just shared the stats of how after Ganguly became captain India improved its W/L ratio. You should start using your mind before heart.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

no indian great barring dravid would want to even coach india cause they are selfish
sachin, sehwag and the other members of the great test side of mid 2000 would never be interested in imparting their knowledge to the modern youngsters as they would like to preserve their records and accolades etc. Don't like to see one of their own rise up.

Hoping one day dravid coaches india instead of that noob charlatan idiot shastri.

[MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION] Is this true?

 

[Geil]

I think either you’re failing to grasp a pretty simple notion or you’re ignorant to it.
Let me repeat for the nth time IT IS NOT ANYTHING NEW, HE SAID IT BEFORE HE WAS A POLITICIAN.
Why should he know lie just because he is the PM?
He is also anything but a politician, in the typical desi sense. As he has repeatedly stated he was one of the greatest public figures (celebrity) in the Asian subcontinent, why did he even have a need to enter such a dirty game.
He did it because the country he was born in was fast becoming a basket case in front of his eyes and he could tolerate it no further.
This has little to do with India/Pak political relations so stop bringing in an agenda that doesn’t fit.
If you bother to do a bit of research you will find the information I referred to.

It is an easy way to extend the argument by saying "repeat for the nth time" and "failing to grasp a pretty simple notion or being ignorant" which highlights your disability to understand my arguments

Read it carefully I agreed on your comments that IK might have said those thing or made that statement being politician or not, though I dont have the proof but does not matter if he said it earlier too so lets say i agree with you on that

But I will find it irresponsible from him saying this statement being a politician and especially a PM of Pakistan even if he said it before when he was not PM or when he was just a cricketer, as I said earlier We can differ on this opinion and I told my reasons why i think it is irresponsible so i will quote it again for you to GRASP IK is now PM and a politician so everything he says will have a political context in my view

You thing it is not a political context fine but i will stand with my opinion you like it or not we can differ on this opinion

 

[szrana007]

In 90s, Pakistan were bigger without any doubt as clear by H2h record and even though India won all three WC games doesn't change that. Yes, that WC wins were like saving grace for us but that's it. We also lost a home test series to Pakistan in '99.

But in 2000s, India were better than Pakistan not only in terms of H2h but also got the better in those two big world tournament games and has a test series win in Pakistan. Pakistan were definitely competitive but my point is it was not either way in that decade, India clearly wins.

Test H2H in 2000's India won 4 Pak won 3

ODI's H2H in 2000's Pakistan won 22 India won 18

India is ahead in tests and Pakistan in ODI's. Pakistan also knocked India out of ICC Champions trophy, twice in 2004 and 2009, while India knocked Pakistan out of the 2003 World cup.

 

[Mesozoic]

I think the real change in the Indo-Pak dynamic came after that WC 2003 game at centurion. Up until then , Pak had always maintained superiority over us in all formats. But that game and the fact that we chased down a 270+ total against that attack (although W&W were past their peaks) completely changed the mindset of a generation of Indian cricketers going into any Indo-Pak game.

Since that game India leads 26-21 in Odis and 4-3 in Tests.

 

[Ab Fan]

Test H2H in 2000's India won 4 Pak won 3

<B>ODI's H2H in 2000's Pakistan won 22 India won 18</B>

India is ahead in tests and Pakistan in ODI's. Pakistan also knocked India out of ICC Champions trophy, twice in 2004 and 2009, while India knocked Pakistan out of the 2003 World cup.

That's interesting actually. I saw BVB post which was since 2001 in which India wins 26 and Pakistan 21 and yours is from 2000, so it means Pakistan won a lot in th year 2000.

If you count from 2001 January to 2010 December, then it should be India 17 Pakistan 17.

However, completely in that decade, it was either way across all formats, India having slight advantage in Tests and T20s while Pakistan with slight advantage in ODIs considering that India did won that much hyped WC 2003 game.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think the real change in the Indo-Pak dynamic came after that WC 2003 game at centurion. Up until then , Pak had always maintained superiority over us in all formats. But that game and the fact that we chased down a 270+ total against that attack (although W&W were past their peaks) completely changed the mindset of a generation of Indian cricketers going into any Indo-Pak game.

Since that game India leads 26-21 in Odis and 4-3 in Tests.

Actually, the Indian cricket mindset turnaround happened since that Kolkata test in 2001 when Dravid and Laxman delivered legendary performance for us against that Aus side. Since then, things turned around for India as they become the joint Champions Trophy winners in 2002 followed by the test series draws in England and Australia in 2003 and reaching the WC finals in 2003.

And the credit must be given to Saurav Ganguly for that. Indian cricket mindset saw a complete turnaround post the match fixing saga that happened between 1997-2000 under Azhar and Jadeja and we started building into a strong team.

 

[Mesozoic]

Actually, the Indian cricket mindset turnaround happened since that Kolkata test in 2001 when Dravid and Laxman delivered legendary performance for us against that Aus side. Since then, things turned around for India as they become the joint Champions Trophy winners in 2002 followed by the test series draws in England and Australia in 2003 and reaching the WC finals in 2003.

And the credit must be given to Saurav Ganguly for that. Indian cricket mindset saw a complete turnaround post the match fixing saga that happened between 1997-2000 under Azhar and Jadeja and we started building into a strong team.

Agree but i was emphasizing more on the Indo-Pak dynamic and how we turned a new leaf after that centurion run chase. Before that we would never chase even a 220 against Pakistan to save our lives but that game completely changed that.


Yes. I agree that the Eden gardens test marked a big turnaround for Indian cricket in general. The NatWest trophy as well , which you seem to have forgot to mention, was instrumental in the change of our Odi batting mentality. All in all, those few years under Saurav shaped Indian cricket into what it is today.

 

[Ab Fan]

Agree but i was emphasizing more on the Indo-Pak dynamic and how we turned a new leaf after that centurion run chase. Before that we would never chase even a 220 against Pakistan to save our lives but that game completely changed that.


Yes. I agree that the Eden gardens test marked a big turnaround for Indian cricket in general. The NatWest trophy as well , which you seem to have forgot to mention, was instrumental in the change of our Odi batting mentality. All in all, those few years under Saurav shaped Indian cricket into what it is today.

Yes yes, NatWest Trophy, I recalled that after I already submitted my post.

2001 test series vs Australia
2002 NatWest Tri-series and joint champions trophy winners(that win vs SA in semis)
2003 test series draws in Australia and England and getting to WC final
2004 test series win in Pakistan

Those were the days, great childhood memories. Lucky enough were we.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

But I will find it irresponsible from him saying this statement being a politician and especially a PM of Pakistan even if he said it before when he was not PM or when he was just a cricketer, as I said earlier We can differ on this opinion and I told my reasons why i think it is irresponsible so i will quote it again for you to GRASP IK is now PM and a politician so everything he says will have a political context in my view

He’s being asked a question and he replied to it in the same manner as he has before. Just because he is now the PM doesn’t mean he needs to cater to the sensitivities of the enemy state nor does he need to lie to appease anyone or answer in a politically correct way.
Not sure I need to continue this discussion as IK gave context and background to his comments. As I said previously you can continue to push a different agenda.

 

[Geil]

He’s being asked a question and he replied to it in the same manner as he has before. Just because he is now the PM doesn’t mean he needs to cater to the sensitivities of the enemy state nor does he need to lie to appease anyone or answer in a politically correct way.
Not sure I need to continue this discussion as IK gave context and background to his comments. As I said previously you can continue to push a different agenda.

OK in your opinion I am creating a false agenda and in my opinion you are kind of a blind supporter of IK as a politician , I like him as a cricketer but till now he is not proved he is a good politician in my opinion, you keep your own BHAKTI(BLIND FAITH) of politician IK i will keep my false agenda as you quoted

 

[Hawkeye]

That's interesting actually. I saw BVB post which was since 2001 in which India wins 26 and Pakistan 21 and yours is from 2000, so it means Pakistan won a lot in th year 2000.

If you count from 2001 January to 2010 December, then it should be India 17 Pakistan 17.

However, completely in that decade, it was either way across all formats, India having slight advantage in Tests and T20s while Pakistan with slight advantage in ODIs considering that India did won that much hyped WC 2003 game.

Interesting. That record seems pretty even. I thought it would be much worse for PAK.

And after 2012 PAK Test team has had a resurgence, I don't think the current team under Misbah will lose to IND in any condition.

Or it will be pretty even, no clear series winner.

ODI is another debate - we need to work a lot.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Interesting. That record seems pretty even. I thought it would be much worse for PAK.

And after 2012 PAK Test team has had a resurgence, I don't think the current team under Misbah will lose to IND in any condition.

Or it will be pretty even, no clear series winner.

ODI is another debate - we need to work a lot.

Misbah's team or any version of any Pakistani's greatest team at their absolute peak would still lose to Virat's team in india.

I don't know about pakistan away but most likely it will be a draw there.