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[VIDEO] Yasir Shah's loss of ability to spin the ball since 2016

Yasir Shah bowling with some intent vs KK in PSL

2 wickets so far - big wickets
 
Yasir's shocking loss of form continues - when will it end?
 
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He was another one who is unfit and lost his ability to turn the bowl in the last 2 years as he has gotten older.
 
Happy Birthday to Yasir!

Gun bowler. A shame he hasn’t performed well since a year or two.

The tour of Down Under in 2017 really hurt his confidence, I guess.
 
Yasir Shah is on borrowed time i am afraid. He doesn't play ODI and T-20 Cricket, he will now be forced to play test matches outside the UAE and therefore his effectiveness will be limited.
 
Saeed Ajmal on Yasir Shah's woes in Test cricket:

PakPassion.net: What is the reason behind Yasir Shah’s poor run of form in international cricket?

Saeed Ajmal: Yasir is short of game-time. After a Test series, there is a huge gap before the next one which is a problem for Yasir as he is not a regular member of the T20I or ODI squads. On top of that, he isn’t playing much First-class cricket as well due to the fact that there are fewer games being played after the re-organization of the domestic structure.

With so many gaps between the times when he can play matches, how can we expect him to settle into any sort of rhythm? Compared to Australia and England who can play up to 15 Tests a year, we have 5-6 Tests and in those, if Yasir Shah doesn’t get favourable wickets than how is he expected to perform? In contrast, if we have more matches in favourable conditions for him then his performances will surely improve.
 
Cat B for Yasir Shah but does he deserve that?
 
shamaan said:
I think it's about right but could be without a contract come next year or so
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So Cat B or out in his case - no middle ground from PCB it seems?

Should have been in a lower this year - C.
 
MenInG said:
So Cat B or out in his case - no middle ground from PCB it seems?

Should have been in a lower this year - C.
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Hes bordline b sometimes they give higher just to motivate them not to sure but hes defo out if he doesnt produce results in tests
 
Misbah speaking about Yasir Shah and his readiness for the upcoming tour of England

"It's difficult for me to exactly say where the players are because since March, everyone's at their homes. We are having online sessions etc., but we're not practising and playing together. When we go to England and start training, that will be the most crucial period for us. Spinners need to bowl a lot to get back into rhythm, especially leg-spinners, so that will be a challenge, for him to get into his form. He needs to work very hard."
 
Time to give shadab khan a long run in tests. He can atleast bat decently on a consistent basis as he showed in England and Ireland in 2018. Yasir is finished.
 
What is up with Pakistanis and wanting to throw out their players who aren't in form ? Yasir Shah is a very bloody good bowler. Going through some rough patch, cut him some slack.
 
Realromeo said:
What is up with Pakistanis and wanting to throw out their players who aren't in form ? Yasir Shah is a very bloody good bowler. Going through some rough patch, cut him some slack.
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He hasnt been a good bowler for our 2 series now but I stil belive he can perform
 
3/23 in 4 overs vs Central Punjab!

Can you believe that this is the same Yasir Shah?
 
Yasir Shah 4-94 - some success - although expected more from him in QeA - guess some time to go before the tournament ends so we live in hope.
 
Yasir Shah had figures of 17.5-2-94-4 that took his career first-class wickets to 584.

Impressive to see 584 first-class wickets to his name.
 
The lack of control in Yasir’s bowling is a major concern for PAK. He is still taking wickets but costing too many runs means he is producing wicket taking balls, but in between bowling lots of loose staff. Without penetrative partners, this will always hurt him and PAK - bowling unit will make inroads, but couple of partnerships & the floodgate will open. Yasir is extremely critical for PAK team to keep one side tight, bowling against the wind for long spells; but if he goes for 5.5+ in PAK domestics, he won’t be able to choke batsmen & set pair will cash on his loose ones. I think, it’s an age related terminal decline, assistance from the spin coach & fitness trainer might not help him much - PAK should look for a replacement ASAP.

600 FC wickets for a PAK bowler without County numbers indeed is a great achievement.
 
MMHS said:
The lack of control in Yasir’s bowling is a major concern for PAK. He is still taking wickets but costing too many runs means he is producing wicket taking balls, but in between bowling lots of loose staff. Without penetrative partners, this will always hurt him and PAK - bowling unit will make inroads, but couple of partnerships & the floodgate will open. Yasir is extremely critical for PAK team to keep one side tight, bowling against the wind for long spells; but if he goes for 5.5+ in PAK domestics, he won’t be able to choke batsmen & set pair will cash on his loose ones. I think, it’s an age related terminal decline, assistance from the spin coach & fitness trainer might not help him much - PAK should look for a replacement ASAP.

600 FC wickets for a PAK bowler without County numbers indeed is a great achievement.
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I agree that we need to look for a replacement asap.

Leg spinners are supposed to mature with age, but his problem of giving freebies in test matches from get go is not helping at all as batsmen sitting in dressing room are winning the mental battle against him and have stopped fearing him as they are always looking for that loose ball when they come in to bat.
 
MMHS said:
The lack of control in Yasir’s bowling is a major concern for PAK. He is still taking wickets but costing too many runs means he is producing wicket taking balls, but in between bowling lots of loose staff. Without penetrative partners, this will always hurt him and PAK - bowling unit will make inroads, but couple of partnerships & the floodgate will open. Yasir is extremely critical for PAK team to keep one side tight, bowling against the wind for long spells; but if he goes for 5.5+ in PAK domestics, he won’t be able to choke batsmen & set pair will cash on his loose ones. I think, it’s an age related terminal decline, assistance from the spin coach & fitness trainer might not help him much - PAK should look for a replacement ASAP.

600 FC wickets for a PAK bowler without County numbers indeed is a great achievement.
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Ramiz Raja blamed Yasir Shah for Pakistani bowling's poor showing in England a few months ago especially that final test match. He opinioned that Yasir is the senior most experienced bowler and has had enough experience of bowling in SENA conditions, him leaking runs massively especially on day 1 meant more pressure and stress in an already inexperienced bowling attack of Shaheen and Nasim.

I agree with him. Yasir's wickets are useless if he is conceeding 150-200 runs in the innings, any bowler who picks up 5 wickets in an innings needs to do it by not conceeding more than 90 or 100 runs to boast of a class performance
 
MMHS said:
The lack of control in Yasir’s bowling is a major concern for PAK. He is still taking wickets but costing too many runs means he is producing wicket taking balls, but in between bowling lots of loose staff. Without penetrative partners, this will always hurt him and PAK - bowling unit will make inroads, but couple of partnerships & the floodgate will open. Yasir is extremely critical for PAK team to keep one side tight, bowling against the wind for long spells; but if he goes for 5.5+ in PAK domestics, he won’t be able to choke batsmen & set pair will cash on his loose ones. I think, it’s an age related terminal decline, assistance from the spin coach & fitness trainer might not help him much - PAK should look for a replacement ASAP.

600 FC wickets for a PAK bowler without County numbers indeed is a great achievement.
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Yasir shah is expensive but so are alot of leg break spin bowlers they are attacking in nature and will concede runs also when you expect to bowl on day 1 session 2 you will get hit around as the pitch is like flat as it could be.if you want someone to control an end maybe look at a left arm orthodox in sena conditions and instead of playing 3 fast bowled 1 spinner play 4 fast and 1 spinner
 
Savak said:
Ramiz Raja blamed Yasir Shah for Pakistani bowling's poor showing in England a few months ago especially that final test match. He opinioned that Yasir is the senior most experienced bowler and has had enough experience of bowling in SENA conditions, him leaking runs massively especially on day 1 meant more pressure and stress in an already inexperienced bowling attack of Shaheen and Nasim.

I agree with him. Yasir's wickets are useless if he is conceeding 150-200 runs in the innings, any bowler who picks up 5 wickets in an innings needs to do it by not conceeding more than 90 or 100 runs to boast of a class performance
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The management should be blamed
 
MMHS said:
The lack of control in Yasir’s bowling is a major concern for PAK. He is still taking wickets but costing too many runs means he is producing wicket taking balls, but in between bowling lots of loose staff. Without penetrative partners, this will always hurt him and PAK - bowling unit will make inroads, but couple of partnerships & the floodgate will open. Yasir is extremely critical for PAK team to keep one side tight, bowling against the wind for long spells; but if he goes for 5.5+ in PAK domestics, he won’t be able to choke batsmen & set pair will cash on his loose ones. I think, it’s an age related terminal decline, assistance from the spin coach & fitness trainer might not help him much - PAK should look for a replacement ASAP.

600 FC wickets for a PAK bowler without County numbers indeed is a great achievement.
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Who do you suggest be the replacement? In my opinion, I think Sajid Khan and Zafar Gohar should be Pakistan's spin pair for Asia and outside Asia Zafar Gohar can play.
 
[MENTION=148759]HappyWarsFan[/MENTION]: I don't think a finger spinner can serve the purpose of a leggi, definitely not outside Asia (Excluding WIN). Bowlers like Ajmal was a freak - took a 10for in SAF, but only purpose for a finger spinner outside Asia could be economy. I don't see anyone for that - even Gohar's domestic economy is close to 3. Therefore PAK MUST find a Leg-spinner for long term solution; who can operate on such tracks against the wind, using drift and foot-marks - problem is, last few years they never tried to find one. I have written about Shahzaib, Usama, the Leggi guy (For got name - Irfan?) few seasons back was bowling beautifully, Zahid - one of them should have been ready by now.

This is where I am damn upset the way Shadab is heading - he'll end up losing his spot in PCT because of failure to develop one core skill - he is not skilled enough to be a top 6 batsman and he is not developing his natural suit - leg spin. His current skills both with bat & ball can work in T20s, but at this bowling rate, he'll be man handled on Indian tracks in 2023 WC, let alone Test cricket. Yes, Gohar is the best available of the lot and can bat a bit as well - he should be a permanent member in Test XI for PAK every where. If Gohar & Shadab can improve their batting & bowling a bit not letting other skill go down, PAK can & should think of playing two spinners in most SENA Tests as well, with 3 out & out pacers, Rizwan keeping his batting form as well - that makes, 5 batsmen, Rizwan, Shadab, Gohar + Shaheen & the fittest two pacers available: I don't mind Abbas & Naseem/Adil for NZ trip. If they want to go for a little more pace heavy XI keeping batting coverage intact - I'll drop Shadab for Yamin, BUT not Gohar. One specialist spinner HAS TO BE part of PAK's plan - if not leggi, next best is SLAO. Sajid was never in my book outside Asia, and I read he might be born as 7-8 years old ......


[MENTION=149054]shamaan[/MENTION]: The world is going through a scarcity of genuine leggi - it's a scary thought that after Yasir, Adil Rashid is probably best leggi in world, and IND/AUS has their best leggi in Chakravarty & Zampa...... But, still, recent days, Yasir's control is missing and you can't hide that just by saying leggis go for runs as they are attacking options. There was no bigger attacker that late A Qadir, and still he had an impressive economy even for 80s standard. Yes, that 4+1 bowling combination can work, but not with 1 Shadab and not with 4 Shaheen/Naseem/Abbas like bat. It can only work as I have mentioned earlier - one genuine spinner (batting is bonus), three genuine pacer (batting bonus), and the 4th one has to be a batsman/bowler combination in between Yamin & Talat. You can't put a PAK XI with four pacers and a novice whom Captain doesn't trust with 277 to defend on last innings. PAK is not ENG and the cricket philosophy is different - those who sell these ideas of four pacers and one part-time spinner, actually are ignorant about what Intekhab, Qashim, Qadir, Mushtaq, Saqline, Danish, Ajmal or Yasir had done for PAK even in SENA Tests.



[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]: What has worked for me most times is interpret exactly opposite of what Rambo Raja tells - his biggest asset (apart from family links) is that among PAK cricketers, his English is among the best and media needs PAK commentator - he is fitting the bill. Yes, Yasir has fallen down from his grace, but even for that last Test, it'll be stupid to blame Yasir, because that guy brought Poms to 128/4 within three hours of first morning blowing England's top order on a perfect batting strip - it was the shambolic below per show (for the hype) of Shaheen & Naseem that from that position, Poms went to declare after almost 600 on board, that too at around 4/over - may I ask Rambo what was the output of the pacers on second morning with a new ball at hand & over night rest - and I'll name the guy this time - Shaheen Shah, I did watch PAK's bowling on second morning. Yasir is going for that much because the much hyped pacers are not getting enough batsmen out, neither keeping run-rate down and their fitness level is amateurish - result is that Captain is forced to bowl Yasir 29-30 overs on Day 1 of a Test match in SENA. It'll be stupid to think that fourth pacer will solve the problem when three are hopping with tongue hanging out after 6 overs first spell.

If a bowler takes 5 for 100, then the opponents shouldn't cross 300, max 350 ...... if they reach 575 with one man taking 3-4-5 wickets for 170, then the other three bowlers should try their luck in circus as clowns, rather than bowling in Test cricket. In any way, Rambo or whoever can't blame Yasir for the recent show of PCT - the target has to be somewhere else, otherwise you'll keep blaming the next Yasir. As I wrote in some other thread - PAK has won 5 Tests outside Asia in last 7-8 years, excluding IRL - 2 in WIN, 3 in UK and Yasir has played 4 of those Tests - has taken 32 wickets at 21 with an economy around 3 and 5 5fors I believe - that's more than entire PAK team has produced outside Asia bar YK's 218 & Azhar's 140+ may be .... those cute knocks from Babar Azam are as useless as it comes, least said about other talents are better.

The guy is over aged, struggling for fitness and now in terminal decline - so, he has to be phased out, no doubt in that, but the guy should never be defamed or questioned for his performance - it's opposite actually, those famous AUS/SAF Tests where Yasir failed, just try to realize what the hosts did with other 10 PAK players despite the talent, you'll get your clue. Even then, this guy saved PAK from an innings defeat at the hands of Warner alone with his bat - he must be respected.
 
MMHS said:
[MENTION=148759]HappyWarsFan[/MENTION]: I don't think a finger spinner can serve the purpose of a leggi, definitely not outside Asia (Excluding WIN). Bowlers like Ajmal was a freak - took a 10for in SAF, but only purpose for a finger spinner outside Asia could be economy. I don't see anyone for that - even Gohar's domestic economy is close to 3. Therefore PAK MUST find a Leg-spinner for long term solution; who can operate on such tracks against the wind, using drift and foot-marks - problem is, last few years they never tried to find one. I have written about Shahzaib, Usama, the Leggi guy (For got name - Irfan?) few seasons back was bowling beautifully, Zahid - one of them should have been ready by now.

This is where I am damn upset the way Shadab is heading - he'll end up losing his spot in PCT because of failure to develop one core skill - he is not skilled enough to be a top 6 batsman and he is not developing his natural suit - leg spin. His current skills both with bat & ball can work in T20s, but at this bowling rate, he'll be man handled on Indian tracks in 2023 WC, let alone Test cricket. Yes, Gohar is the best available of the lot and can bat a bit as well - he should be a permanent member in Test XI for PAK every where. If Gohar & Shadab can improve their batting & bowling a bit not letting other skill go down, PAK can & should think of playing two spinners in most SENA Tests as well, with 3 out & out pacers, Rizwan keeping his batting form as well - that makes, 5 batsmen, Rizwan, Shadab, Gohar + Shaheen & the fittest two pacers available: I don't mind Abbas & Naseem/Adil for NZ trip. If they want to go for a little more pace heavy XI keeping batting coverage intact - I'll drop Shadab for Yamin, BUT not Gohar. One specialist spinner HAS TO BE part of PAK's plan - if not leggi, next best is SLAO. Sajid was never in my book outside Asia, and I read he might be born as 7-8 years old ......


[MENTION=149054]shamaan[/MENTION]: The world is going through a scarcity of genuine leggi - it's a scary thought that after Yasir, Adil Rashid is probably best leggi in world, and IND/AUS has their best leggi in Chakravarty & Zampa...... But, still, recent days, Yasir's control is missing and you can't hide that just by saying leggis go for runs as they are attacking options. There was no bigger attacker that late A Qadir, and still he had an impressive economy even for 80s standard. Yes, that 4+1 bowling combination can work, but not with 1 Shadab and not with 4 Shaheen/Naseem/Abbas like bat. It can only work as I have mentioned earlier - one genuine spinner (batting is bonus), three genuine pacer (batting bonus), and the 4th one has to be a batsman/bowler combination in between Yamin & Talat. You can't put a PAK XI with four pacers and a novice whom Captain doesn't trust with 277 to defend on last innings. PAK is not ENG and the cricket philosophy is different - those who sell these ideas of four pacers and one part-time spinner, actually are ignorant about what Intekhab, Qashim, Qadir, Mushtaq, Saqline, Danish, Ajmal or Yasir had done for PAK even in SENA Tests.



[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]: What has worked for me most times is interpret exactly opposite of what Rambo Raja tells - his biggest asset (apart from family links) is that among PAK cricketers, his English is among the best and media needs PAK commentator - he is fitting the bill. Yes, Yasir has fallen down from his grace, but even for that last Test, it'll be stupid to blame Yasir, because that guy brought Poms to 128/4 within three hours of first morning blowing England's top order on a perfect batting strip - it was the shambolic below per show (for the hype) of Shaheen & Naseem that from that position, Poms went to declare after almost 600 on board, that too at around 4/over - may I ask Rambo what was the output of the pacers on second morning with a new ball at hand & over night rest - and I'll name the guy this time - Shaheen Shah, I did watch PAK's bowling on second morning. Yasir is going for that much because the much hyped pacers are not getting enough batsmen out, neither keeping run-rate down and their fitness level is amateurish - result is that Captain is forced to bowl Yasir 29-30 overs on Day 1 of a Test match in SENA. It'll be stupid to think that fourth pacer will solve the problem when three are hopping with tongue hanging out after 6 overs first spell.

If a bowler takes 5 for 100, then the opponents shouldn't cross 300, max 350 ...... if they reach 575 with one man taking 3-4-5 wickets for 170, then the other three bowlers should try their luck in circus as clowns, rather than bowling in Test cricket. In any way, Rambo or whoever can't blame Yasir for the recent show of PCT - the target has to be somewhere else, otherwise you'll keep blaming the next Yasir. As I wrote in some other thread - PAK has won 5 Tests outside Asia in last 7-8 years, excluding IRL - 2 in WIN, 3 in UK and Yasir has played 4 of those Tests - has taken 32 wickets at 21 with an economy around 3 and 5 5fors I believe - that's more than entire PAK team has produced outside Asia bar YK's 218 & Azhar's 140+ may be .... those cute knocks from Babar Azam are as useless as it comes, least said about other talents are better.

The guy is over aged, struggling for fitness and now in terminal decline - so, he has to be phased out, no doubt in that, but the guy should never be defamed or questioned for his performance - it's opposite actually, those famous AUS/SAF Tests where Yasir failed, just try to realize what the hosts did with other 10 PAK players despite the talent, you'll get your clue. Even then, this guy saved PAK from an innings defeat at the hands of Warner alone with his bat - he must be respected.
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A Qadir is one of a kind we havent seen a quality leggie for a while now.5 man attack worked when shadab and fahim played and 3 pacers shadab got 2 50s and fahim got some wickets and they drew that series we didnt play a specialist spinner.the ones you mentioned are good but yasir is good In Asia not in sena.
 
Shadab should be playing the 4 day domestic competition, i am annoyed as to why is he not playing in the premier FC competition. He needs the massive number of toiling overs under his belt to improve his control.
 
MMHS said:
[MENTION=148759]HappyWarsFan[/MENTION]: I don't think a finger spinner can serve the purpose of a leggi, definitely not outside Asia (Excluding WIN). Bowlers like Ajmal was a freak - took a 10for in SAF, but only purpose for a finger spinner outside Asia could be economy. I don't see anyone for that - even Gohar's domestic economy is close to 3. Therefore PAK MUST find a Leg-spinner for long term solution; who can operate on such tracks against the wind, using drift and foot-marks - problem is, last few years they never tried to find one. I have written about Shahzaib, Usama, the Leggi guy (For got name - Irfan?) few seasons back was bowling beautifully, Zahid - one of them should have been ready by now.

This is where I am damn upset the way Shadab is heading - he'll end up losing his spot in PCT because of failure to develop one core skill - he is not skilled enough to be a top 6 batsman and he is not developing his natural suit - leg spin. His current skills both with bat & ball can work in T20s, but at this bowling rate, he'll be man handled on Indian tracks in 2023 WC, let alone Test cricket. Yes, Gohar is the best available of the lot and can bat a bit as well - he should be a permanent member in Test XI for PAK every where. If Gohar & Shadab can improve their batting & bowling a bit not letting other skill go down, PAK can & should think of playing two spinners in most SENA Tests as well, with 3 out & out pacers, Rizwan keeping his batting form as well - that makes, 5 batsmen, Rizwan, Shadab, Gohar + Shaheen & the fittest two pacers available: I don't mind Abbas & Naseem/Adil for NZ trip. If they want to go for a little more pace heavy XI keeping batting coverage intact - I'll drop Shadab for Yamin, BUT not Gohar. One specialist spinner HAS TO BE part of PAK's plan - if not leggi, next best is SLAO. Sajid was never in my book outside Asia, and I read he might be born as 7-8 years old ......


[MENTION=149054]shamaan[/MENTION]: The world is going through a scarcity of genuine leggi - it's a scary thought that after Yasir, Adil Rashid is probably best leggi in world, and IND/AUS has their best leggi in Chakravarty & Zampa...... But, still, recent days, Yasir's control is missing and you can't hide that just by saying leggis go for runs as they are attacking options. There was no bigger attacker that late A Qadir, and still he had an impressive economy even for 80s standard. Yes, that 4+1 bowling combination can work, but not with 1 Shadab and not with 4 Shaheen/Naseem/Abbas like bat. It can only work as I have mentioned earlier - one genuine spinner (batting is bonus), three genuine pacer (batting bonus), and the 4th one has to be a batsman/bowler combination in between Yamin & Talat. You can't put a PAK XI with four pacers and a novice whom Captain doesn't trust with 277 to defend on last innings. PAK is not ENG and the cricket philosophy is different - those who sell these ideas of four pacers and one part-time spinner, actually are ignorant about what Intekhab, Qashim, Qadir, Mushtaq, Saqline, Danish, Ajmal or Yasir had done for PAK even in SENA Tests.



[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]: What has worked for me most times is interpret exactly opposite of what Rambo Raja tells - his biggest asset (apart from family links) is that among PAK cricketers, his English is among the best and media needs PAK commentator - he is fitting the bill. Yes, Yasir has fallen down from his grace, but even for that last Test, it'll be stupid to blame Yasir, because that guy brought Poms to 128/4 within three hours of first morning blowing England's top order on a perfect batting strip - it was the shambolic below per show (for the hype) of Shaheen & Naseem that from that position, Poms went to declare after almost 600 on board, that too at around 4/over - may I ask Rambo what was the output of the pacers on second morning with a new ball at hand & over night rest - and I'll name the guy this time - Shaheen Shah, I did watch PAK's bowling on second morning. Yasir is going for that much because the much hyped pacers are not getting enough batsmen out, neither keeping run-rate down and their fitness level is amateurish - result is that Captain is forced to bowl Yasir 29-30 overs on Day 1 of a Test match in SENA. It'll be stupid to think that fourth pacer will solve the problem when three are hopping with tongue hanging out after 6 overs first spell.

If a bowler takes 5 for 100, then the opponents shouldn't cross 300, max 350 ...... if they reach 575 with one man taking 3-4-5 wickets for 170, then the other three bowlers should try their luck in circus as clowns, rather than bowling in Test cricket. In any way, Rambo or whoever can't blame Yasir for the recent show of PCT - the target has to be somewhere else, otherwise you'll keep blaming the next Yasir. As I wrote in some other thread - PAK has won 5 Tests outside Asia in last 7-8 years, excluding IRL - 2 in WIN, 3 in UK and Yasir has played 4 of those Tests - has taken 32 wickets at 21 with an economy around 3 and 5 5fors I believe - that's more than entire PAK team has produced outside Asia bar YK's 218 & Azhar's 140+ may be .... those cute knocks from Babar Azam are as useless as it comes, least said about other talents are better.

The guy is over aged, struggling for fitness and now in terminal decline - so, he has to be phased out, no doubt in that, but the guy should never be defamed or questioned for his performance - it's opposite actually, those famous AUS/SAF Tests where Yasir failed, just try to realize what the hosts did with other 10 PAK players despite the talent, you'll get your clue. Even then, this guy saved PAK from an innings defeat at the hands of Warner alone with his bat - he must be respected.
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Thanks for the detailed response. Yep, Gohar is the next best option. There just isn't any leggies availing right now. They need to let some young leggies play first class cricket and see who can perform the best and select them in a timely.manner. but yes, for now, no options but SLAO.
 
MMHS said:
[MENTION=148759]HappyWarsFan[/MENTION]: I don't think a finger spinner can serve the purpose of a leggi, definitely not outside Asia (Excluding WIN). Bowlers like Ajmal was a freak - took a 10for in SAF, but only purpose for a finger spinner outside Asia could be economy. I don't see anyone for that - even Gohar's domestic economy is close to 3. Therefore PAK MUST find a Leg-spinner for long term solution; who can operate on such tracks against the wind, using drift and foot-marks - problem is, last few years they never tried to find one. I have written about Shahzaib, Usama, the Leggi guy (For got name - Irfan?) few seasons back was bowling beautifully, Zahid - one of them should have been ready by now.

This is where I am damn upset the way Shadab is heading - he'll end up losing his spot in PCT because of failure to develop one core skill - he is not skilled enough to be a top 6 batsman and he is not developing his natural suit - leg spin. His current skills both with bat & ball can work in T20s, but at this bowling rate, he'll be man handled on Indian tracks in 2023 WC, let alone Test cricket. Yes, Gohar is the best available of the lot and can bat a bit as well - he should be a permanent member in Test XI for PAK every where. If Gohar & Shadab can improve their batting & bowling a bit not letting other skill go down, PAK can & should think of playing two spinners in most SENA Tests as well, with 3 out & out pacers, Rizwan keeping his batting form as well - that makes, 5 batsmen, Rizwan, Shadab, Gohar + Shaheen & the fittest two pacers available: I don't mind Abbas & Naseem/Adil for NZ trip. If they want to go for a little more pace heavy XI keeping batting coverage intact - I'll drop Shadab for Yamin, BUT not Gohar. One specialist spinner HAS TO BE part of PAK's plan - if not leggi, next best is SLAO. Sajid was never in my book outside Asia, and I read he might be born as 7-8 years old ......


[MENTION=149054]shamaan[/MENTION]: The world is going through a scarcity of genuine leggi - it's a scary thought that after Yasir, Adil Rashid is probably best leggi in world, and IND/AUS has their best leggi in Chakravarty & Zampa...... But, still, recent days, Yasir's control is missing and you can't hide that just by saying leggis go for runs as they are attacking options. There was no bigger attacker that late A Qadir, and still he had an impressive economy even for 80s standard. Yes, that 4+1 bowling combination can work, but not with 1 Shadab and not with 4 Shaheen/Naseem/Abbas like bat. It can only work as I have mentioned earlier - one genuine spinner (batting is bonus), three genuine pacer (batting bonus), and the 4th one has to be a batsman/bowler combination in between Yamin & Talat. You can't put a PAK XI with four pacers and a novice whom Captain doesn't trust with 277 to defend on last innings. PAK is not ENG and the cricket philosophy is different - those who sell these ideas of four pacers and one part-time spinner, actually are ignorant about what Intekhab, Qashim, Qadir, Mushtaq, Saqline, Danish, Ajmal or Yasir had done for PAK even in SENA Tests.



[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]: What has worked for me most times is interpret exactly opposite of what Rambo Raja tells - his biggest asset (apart from family links) is that among PAK cricketers, his English is among the best and media needs PAK commentator - he is fitting the bill. Yes, Yasir has fallen down from his grace, but even for that last Test, it'll be stupid to blame Yasir, because that guy brought Poms to 128/4 within three hours of first morning blowing England's top order on a perfect batting strip - it was the shambolic below per show (for the hype) of Shaheen & Naseem that from that position, Poms went to declare after almost 600 on board, that too at around 4/over - may I ask Rambo what was the output of the pacers on second morning with a new ball at hand & over night rest - and I'll name the guy this time - Shaheen Shah, I did watch PAK's bowling on second morning. Yasir is going for that much because the much hyped pacers are not getting enough batsmen out, neither keeping run-rate down and their fitness level is amateurish - result is that Captain is forced to bowl Yasir 29-30 overs on Day 1 of a Test match in SENA. It'll be stupid to think that fourth pacer will solve the problem when three are hopping with tongue hanging out after 6 overs first spell.

If a bowler takes 5 for 100, then the opponents shouldn't cross 300, max 350 ...... if they reach 575 with one man taking 3-4-5 wickets for 170, then the other three bowlers should try their luck in circus as clowns, rather than bowling in Test cricket. In any way, Rambo or whoever can't blame Yasir for the recent show of PCT - the target has to be somewhere else, otherwise you'll keep blaming the next Yasir. As I wrote in some other thread - PAK has won 5 Tests outside Asia in last 7-8 years, excluding IRL - 2 in WIN, 3 in UK and Yasir has played 4 of those Tests - has taken 32 wickets at 21 with an economy around 3 and 5 5fors I believe - that's more than entire PAK team has produced outside Asia bar YK's 218 & Azhar's 140+ may be .... those cute knocks from Babar Azam are as useless as it comes, least said about other talents are better.

The guy is over aged, struggling for fitness and now in terminal decline - so, he has to be phased out, no doubt in that, but the guy should never be defamed or questioned for his performance - it's opposite actually, those famous AUS/SAF Tests where Yasir failed, just try to realize what the hosts did with other 10 PAK players despite the talent, you'll get your clue. Even then, this guy saved PAK from an innings defeat at the hands of Warner alone with his bat - he must be respected.
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Outstanding post ! Yasir bowled his heart out in Manchester, it was our much vaunted pace attack that went missing when it counted including the two youngsters hyped as the next 2 Ws. Some get defensive when that's pointed out - yes they are young players with bright futures - and yes the management are to blame for irresponsibly fast-tracking Shaheen and Naseem with scant FC experience.

And I'm not making excuses for Yasir, his lack of control is worrying and doesn't allow us to apply pressure especially in a 4 man attack. His record in Southern Hemisphere is there for everyone to see. However, Yasir's responsible for the very few successes we've had outside Asia in the last 5 years. To blame him for our England showing is another example of Ramiz's ignorance.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] you mention Mohammed Irfan from Bajaur.

I thought he was an exceptional talent and should have been fast tracked. Unfortunately we failed to take care of him. Karamat Ali was also very promising but seems to fallen off the radar.
 
Savak said:
Shadab should be playing the 4 day domestic competition, i am annoyed as to why is he not playing in the premier FC competition. He needs the massive number of toiling overs under his belt to improve his control.
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These useless bilaterals against the likes of Zimbabwe are a curse. Nothing against Zimbabwe, but our youngsters will learning bashing them in a few meaningless T20s. Likes of Shadab, Hasnain, Abdullah, Haider all need to be playing QEA Trophy.
 
Markhor said:
These useless bilaterals against the likes of Zimbabwe are a curse. Nothing against Zimbabwe, but our youngsters will learning bashing them in a few meaningless T20s. Likes of Shadab, Hasnain, Abdullah, Haider all need to be playing QEA Trophy.
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Agree with this wholeheartedly. The standard of opposition is actually higher in the QeA trophy than it will be during the Zimbabwe series (no disrespect intended). Although the purpose of the Zimbabwe visit is more than quality of cricket - the symbolic value of an international team visiting Pakistan is something the PCB leadership has been striving for.
 
In modern cricket, Yasir Shah really stands out as the test bowler who goes for over 120 runs in an innings in SENA far, far more often than any other bowler.

54-6-213-1 at Manchester
43-4-172-2 at Birmingham
43.1-6-129-2 at Brisbane
41-2-207-3 at Melbourne
40-2-124-1 at Sydney (First innings)
14-0-124-0 at Sydney (Second innings)
48.4-1-205-4 at Brisbane
32-1-192-0 at Adelaide
39-3-173-2 at Southampton

By way of comparison, on the few occasions that Nathan Lyon has ever conceded 150 runs in an innings in SENA his figures were more along the lines of:

34.1-5-152-7.
 
Junaids said:
In modern cricket, Yasir Shah really stands out as the test bowler who goes for over 120 runs in an innings in SENA far, far more often than any other bowler.

54-6-213-1 at Manchester
43-4-172-2 at Birmingham
43.1-6-129-2 at Brisbane
41-2-207-3 at Melbourne
40-2-124-1 at Sydney (First innings)
14-0-124-0 at Sydney (Second innings)
48.4-1-205-4 at Brisbane
32-1-192-0 at Adelaide
39-3-173-2 at Southampton

By way of comparison, on the few occasions that Nathan Lyon has ever conceded 150 runs in an innings in SENA his figures were more along the lines of:

34.1-5-152-7.
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Horrific figures, embarrassing and shameful for a Pakistan test cricketer. Needs to be flunged out.

I would have to add though, he wasn't helped by Misbah's equally inept, idiotic and incompetent planning when it came to deploying Yasir effectively.
 
Kroll said:
Horrific figures, embarrassing and shameful for a Pakistan test cricketer. Needs to be flunged out.

I would have to add though, he wasn't helped by Misbah's equally inept, idiotic and incompetent planning when it came to deploying Yasir effectively.
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Misbah has spent 4 years stinking the place out using Yasir Shah as a stock bowler in SENA, and in those 4 years and 3 months he has these NINE different sets of catastrophic bowling figures.

He is clearly over-used in SENA, and only bowls roughly 1 maiden every 25 overs.

Even a moderate quick bowler like Hasan Ali or Ehsan Adil or Rahat Ali or Imran Khan would deliver much better figures.
 
Junaids said:
In modern cricket, Yasir Shah really stands out as the test bowler who goes for over 120 runs in an innings in SENA far, far more often than any other bowler.

54-6-213-1 at Manchester
43-4-172-2 at Birmingham
43.1-6-129-2 at Brisbane
41-2-207-3 at Melbourne
40-2-124-1 at Sydney (First innings)
14-0-124-0 at Sydney (Second innings)
48.4-1-205-4 at Brisbane
32-1-192-0 at Adelaide
39-3-173-2 at Southampton

By way of comparison, on the few occasions that Nathan Lyon has ever conceded 150 runs in an innings in SENA his figures were more along the lines of:

34.1-5-152-7.
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You are the one who once had a famous comment in this PakPassion: "Nathan Lyon is the weak link of Australian attack". That has one clue in it - he doesn't bowl with average bowlers.

Coming to your fabricated data, Lyon took that 7 for on a tailor made spinners' dry track where his batsmen gave him 400+ to defend and India (Kohli) actually went for the chase, didn't try to kick out for a whole day. Three times, three times in his entire career career Yasir Shah was given by his batsmen something on board to bowl with second time in SENA - once by Misbah at Lord's, once by YK at Oval & last one at Old Trafford - you know his figures:
31-9-69-4 (& 29-6-72-6 in first innings)
29-4-71-5
30-3-99-4 (& 18-2-66-4 in first innings)
That's, 90-16-239-13 - average of 18.38, economy of 2.66.

In SENA, one of which is his home country, in his career, Lyon has conceded 100+ runs in 26 innings, for 69 wickets and at an average of 46+, economy of 3.36 - that's with three Australian pacers among Starc, Pattinson, Cummins, Hazlewood, Mo Johnson, Peter Siddle and Jhye Richardson ..... you want me to name the talents Yasir had been bowling with - talents that has made Mickey Arthur still hankering around PCB .... to coach that talent?

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...rt;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings

I have seen you trying to post Yasir's figure and defame him - next time, please put the match scores along with it to show what wonders his other 3 bowling partners did in those Tests... that'll show your proper spirit, otherwise your bias against Yasir is getting exposed every time I respond.
 
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[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] ok, in recent times Yasir has been important for Pakistans test wins outside of asia. But if we look back to 2011, Abdur Rehman was also very successful in NZ and pakistan won the series with an attack of Wahab, Gul and Tanvir.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] ok, in recent times Yasir has been important for Pakistans test wins outside of asia. But if we look back to 2011, Abdur Rehman was also very successful in NZ and pakistan won the series with an attack of Wahab, Gul and Tanvir.
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PAK's Test history will tell what quality spinners has done for them in SENA & WIN tours, remember the word "Quality", not bits & pieces part-timers. Check this one

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...=7;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings
 
MMHS said:
PAK's Test history will tell what quality spinners has done for them in SENA & WIN tours, remember the word "Quality", not bits & pieces part-timers. Check this one

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...=7;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings
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Wow, Danish kaneria is there more often than I thought in recent times. Seems like he was a very good leggie , better than his stats show, based on his good success in AUS and NZ.

Abdur Rehman and Ajmal also there for recent times. Yea, quality spinners are really.importsnt and this shows that. Really hoping Zafar Gohar can step up and be the next guy in line, even if he's a finger spinner.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
Wow, Danish kaneria is there more often than I thought in recent times. Seems like he was a very good leggie , better than his stats show, based on his good success in AUS and NZ.

Abdur Rehman and Ajmal also there for recent times. Yea, quality spinners are really.importsnt and this shows that. Really hoping Zafar Gohar can step up and be the next guy in line, even if he's a finger spinner.
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Kamran has cost Kaneria at least 10% of his career stats ......
 
No wonder his form slumped after he was caught on that contraband. Since then he has struggled. Just wondering if that could be the reason..
 
MMHS said:
You are the one who once had a famous comment in this PakPassion: "Nathan Lyon is the weak link of Australian attack". That has one clue in it - he doesn't bowl with average bowlers.

Coming to your fabricated data, Lyon took that 7 for on a tailor made spinners' dry track where his batsmen gave him 400+ to defend and India (Kohli) actually went for the chase, didn't try to kick out for a whole day. Three times, three times in his entire career career Yasir Shah was given by his batsmen something on board to bowl with second time in SENA - once by Misbah at Lord's, once by YK at Oval & last one at Old Trafford - you know his figures:
31-9-69-4 (& 29-6-72-6 in first innings)
29-4-71-5
30-3-99-4 (& 18-2-66-4 in first innings)
That's, 90-16-239-13 - average of 18.38, economy of 2.66.

In SENA, one of which is his home country, in his career, Lyon has conceded 100+ runs in 26 innings, for 69 wickets and at an average of 46+, economy of 3.36 - that's with three Australian pacers among Starc, Pattinson, Cummins, Hazlewood, Mo Johnson, Peter Siddle and Jhye Richardson ..... you want me to name the talents Yasir had been bowling with - talents that has made Mickey Arthur still hankering around PCB .... to coach that talent?

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...rt;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings

I have seen you trying to post Yasir's figure and defame him - next time, please put the match scores along with it to show what wonders his other 3 bowling partners did in those Tests... that'll show your proper spirit, otherwise your bias against Yasir is getting exposed every time I respond.
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Frankly, you give to much credence to Yasir Shah's performances in England.

In 2016 he had the accuracy and the revs on the ball to bowl Pakistan to victory at Lords and The Oval.

At Old Trafford this year his figures of 8-165 were not match-winning ones, and were inflated by late wickets after he had lost Pakistan the match.

Misbah has always had a muddled view of what Yasir Shah can do in SENA. In Asia the uneven pitches allow him to be used a stock bowler who can keep the score in check even when he is not taking wickets.

But he is still a wrist spinner, and not one with the metronomic accuracy of Shane Warne. On truer pitches outside Asia, especially in SENA where they have more grass, he is too easy to score off without the batsman taking any risks.

A finger spinner like Sajid Khan or Zafar Gohar can probably keep the scoring rate in check, whereas Yasir Shah generally goes for 4 runs per over in SENA.

Yasir Shah is officially 34 and a half years old, and he hasn't won a Test in SENA since his first ever SENA tour.

I don't want Yasir Shah to play as my fourth bowler in SENA and have figures of 40-3-170-2.

I would rather play both Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf (or Hasan Ali), and see them return:

Faheem / Hasan 25-7-60-3 in the First Innings
Shadab 10-3-40-1 in the First Innings

Faheem / Hasan 15-5-40-1 in the Second Innings
Shadab 25-5-90-3 in the Second Innings

Yasir Shah will give you 40-3-170-2 in the First Innings, and there probably won't even be a Second Innings.

Shadab plus a fourth quick will give you:

35-10-100-4 in the First Innings
40-10-130-4 in the Second Innings
 
Junaids said:
Frankly, you give to much credence to Yasir Shah's performances in England.

In 2016 he had the accuracy and the revs on the ball to bowl Pakistan to victory at Lords and The Oval.

At Old Trafford this year his figures of 8-165 were not match-winning ones, and were inflated by late wickets after he had lost Pakistan the match.

Misbah has always had a muddled view of what Yasir Shah can do in SENA. In Asia the uneven pitches allow him to be used a stock bowler who can keep the score in check even when he is not taking wickets.

But he is still a wrist spinner, and not one with the metronomic accuracy of Shane Warne. On truer pitches outside Asia, especially in SENA where they have more grass, he is too easy to score off without the batsman taking any risks.

A finger spinner like Sajid Khan or Zafar Gohar can probably keep the scoring rate in check, whereas Yasir Shah generally goes for 4 runs per over in SENA.

Yasir Shah is officially 34 and a half years old, and he hasn't won a Test in SENA since his first ever SENA tour.

I don't want Yasir Shah to play as my fourth bowler in SENA and have figures of 40-3-170-2.

I would rather play both Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf (or Hasan Ali), and see them return:

Faheem / Hasan 25-7-60-3 in the First Innings
Shadab 10-3-40-1 in the First Innings

Faheem / Hasan 15-5-40-1 in the Second Innings
Shadab 25-5-90-3 in the Second Innings

Yasir Shah will give you 40-3-170-2 in the First Innings, and there probably won't even be a Second Innings.

Shadab plus a fourth quick will give you:

35-10-100-4 in the First Innings
40-10-130-4 in the Second Innings
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After blowing whole summer Shadab’s trumpet for the two wickets of No. 10 & 11 for his superior strike rate; here you have come to tell that the man taking 8 of the 15 wickets PAK, inflated his stats with tailenders after losing the Test!!!!!

Junaids, you have been caught at tight corners many times for your hypothetical figures that you see in your dreams - figures like batting average of 38 & bowling average of 35 by Mo Nawaz is still laughing at you. Every time what you do is put some imaginary numbers, then run away from discussion and few days later put the same figures in another thread. Boss, Shadab Khan wasn’t given 25 balls by his Captain to defend 277 on day four track.....

Anyway, this time I won’t waste my time - the day PAK plays Shadab & four quicks, I’ll bring you here.
 
I saw all three tests and shadab bowled like a part timer whenever he got a chance, the only time he got some wickets was when yasir had already destroyed England's middle order.

Hanuma vihari picked three wickets in an innings in australia and he had better figures than jadeja and ashwin but anyone who saw those tests knew that all three of them were lucky wickets and just a fluke nothing more.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I saw all three tests and shadab bowled like a part timer whenever he got a chance, the only time he got some wickets was when yasir had already destroyed England's middle order.

Hanuma vihari picked three wickets in an innings in australia and he had better figures than jadeja and ashwin but anyone who saw those tests knew that all three of them were lucky wickets and just a fluke nothing more.
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The whole point is that any leg spinner is a part/timer in SENA!
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I saw all three tests and shadab bowled like a part timer whenever he got a chance, the only time he got some wickets was when yasir had already destroyed England's middle order.

Hanuma vihari picked three wickets in an innings in australia and he had better figures than jadeja and ashwin but anyone who saw those tests knew that all three of them were lucky wickets and just a fluke nothing more.
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MMHS said:
After blowing whole summer Shadab’s trumpet for the two wickets of No. 10 & 11 for his superior strike rate; here you have come to tell that the man taking 8 of the 15 wickets PAK, inflated his stats with tailenders after losing the Test!!!!!

Junaids, you have been caught at tight corners many times for your hypothetical figures that you see in your dreams - figures like batting average of 38 & bowling average of 35 by Mo Nawaz is still laughing at you. Every time what you do is put some imaginary numbers, then run away from discussion and few days later put the same figures in another thread. Boss, Shadab Khan wasn’t given 25 balls by his Captain to defend 277 on day four track.....

Anyway, this time I won’t waste my time - the day PAK plays Shadab & four quicks, I’ll bring you here.
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And yet the theoretical bowling figures that I laid out for Shadab and Faheem match their SENA Test records exactly!
 
Leg-spinner picked eight wickets in the match (4 in each innings), helping his side Balochistan to a 186 run win over KP

Left-arm orthodox spinner Kashif Bhatti took four in the second innings.
 
Junaids said:
The whole point is that any leg spinner is a part/timer in SENA!
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Not true - please back it up with stats.

The example you used few posts back - Nathan Lyon, bats at 11.... and he has played so far 96 by the age of 32 for Australia- he’ll go on to play close to 150 Test and 600wickets; batting at 11 and mostly playing in SENA.

Now, please come back to say that Lyon is not a Leggi, a finger spinner - I’ll explain you farther there after.
 
Junaids said:
And yet the theoretical bowling figures that I laid out for Shadab and Faheem match their SENA Test records exactly!
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Are you saying that PAK’s 4th & 5th bowler matched the record of 75-20-230-8.... that’s average under 30 & economy around 3..... incredible. Then PAK should drop genuine three No. 11 - Shaheen, Abbas & Incarnation of Fred Trueman and play five All-rounders.
 
Junaids said:
Frankly, you give to much credence to Yasir Shah's performances in England.

In 2016 he had the accuracy and the revs on the ball to bowl Pakistan to victory at Lords and The Oval.

At Old Trafford this year his figures of 8-165 were not match-winning ones, and were inflated by late wickets after he had lost Pakistan the match.

Misbah has always had a muddled view of what Yasir Shah can do in SENA. In Asia the uneven pitches allow him to be used a stock bowler who can keep the score in check even when he is not taking wickets.

But he is still a wrist spinner, and not one with the metronomic accuracy of Shane Warne. On truer pitches outside Asia, especially in SENA where they have more grass, he is too easy to score off without the batsman taking any risks.

A finger spinner like Sajid Khan or Zafar Gohar can probably keep the scoring rate in check, whereas Yasir Shah generally goes for 4 runs per over in SENA.

Yasir Shah is officially 34 and a half years old, and he hasn't won a Test in SENA since his first ever SENA tour.

I don't want Yasir Shah to play as my fourth bowler in SENA and have figures of 40-3-170-2.

I would rather play both Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf (or Hasan Ali), and see them return:

Faheem / Hasan 25-7-60-3 in the First Innings
Shadab 10-3-40-1 in the First Innings

Faheem / Hasan 15-5-40-1 in the Second Innings
Shadab 25-5-90-3 in the Second Innings

Yasir Shah will give you 40-3-170-2 in the First Innings, and there probably won't even be a Second Innings.

Shadab plus a fourth quick will give you:

35-10-100-4 in the First Innings
40-10-130-4 in the Second Innings
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Exactly!
 
Pakistan In sena should go with 5 man attack
3 main bowlers 1 bowling all rounder and 1 batting all rounder
 
Yasir Shah 5-115 in QeA20 Round 2:

Yasir Shah, the Balochistan captain, added two more wickets in an extended morning session to claim his 33rd first-class five-wicket haul. The leg-spinner took two more wickets in the day when Southern Punjab came out for the run chase in the evening session.
 
Yasir Shah withdrawn from 3rd round of Quaid-e-Azam Trophy:

In the absence of Yasir Shah, who has requested a leave for personal reasons, Balochistan will be led by Imran Farhat, who scored a century in his side’s second-round fixture and has so far scored 177 runs – the fourth most in the tournament – at an average of 59.
 
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Keeps on chugging away, Yasir!

3-54 vs NZ A for Shaheens so guess he is pretty much the main main for the Test series.
 
Biggest matching spinner in the world

Ashwin and Lyon fans, you are free to preeent your arguement because I am.not replying to it anyway.
 
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How will Yasir Shah fare in the Test series vs NZ?
 
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How will Yasir Shah fare in the Test series vs NZ?
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If the wickets remain similar then better to rest him and play 4 pacers.

One main reason is that the Test won’t last more than three days for Yasir to make his mark. Also, I think in any case PAK should bowl first in NZ, reducing Yasir’s utility on fourth innings.
 
MMHS said:
If the wickets remain similar then better to rest him and play 4 pacers.

One main reason is that the Test won’t last more than three days for Yasir to make his mark. Also, I think in any case PAK should bowl first in NZ, reducing Yasir’s utility on fourth innings.
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Yasir is undroppable hes our mulithiran :)
 
MMHS said:
If the wickets remain similar then better to rest him and play 4 pacers.

One main reason is that the Test won’t last more than three days for Yasir to make his mark. Also, I think in any case PAK should bowl first in NZ, reducing Yasir’s utility on fourth innings.
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True but Yasir is the only proven match winner over a sustained period for Pakistan even past his best, and that’s the sad part to because in these conditions they got no choice but to play that trump card regardless of whether or not it pays off
 
Yasir shouldn’t play

First of all I haven’t been on pakpassion for ages so I don’t know what the talk around town is so to speak regarding his abilities. I can tell you though, he’s done. He has nothing that separates him from shadab or qadir. We’ve tested him to the limit. He’s bowls too full most of the time. You can see no game plan in his bowling. Doesn’t look like he works actively with his captain to place fielders and bowl to a plan. He’s not autonomous. He bowls flat most of the time and his spells are peppered with short balls which are essentially freebies.

He can’t spin the ball laterally to save his life. We’re still high on shane warnes endorsements of him along with a couple of test matches he helped win for us. This can’t go on while other potential spinners waste away in the wings. Give them a chance and invest half the time on them you did with Yasir and see whats what. Can’t sit on our hands and pretend it gets better or we’ve found the ONE.
 
Would make sense if Faheem was playing as a bowling all rounder because...is he? Our test lineup is so confused! SMH
 
If he could spin it maybe he’d beat the bat. He just can’t. And that’s while he’s a wrist spinner. There’s too much overspin and topspin.
 
Shah ji cannot land the ball on length since years. And he's meandering along for years and years. A weak management is what this type of mediocrity thrives on.
 
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