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[VIDEO] Yasir Shah's loss of ability to spin the ball since 2016

Yeah he never had the skill to be successful outside Asia. His 10 wickets at Lords were a fluke. I think he can still be useful in Asian conditions, so keep him for 2-3 more series. He looks fitter than he used to be and can hold the bat. So I feel he can still contribute for another year or so in Asia. After that hopefully we find a spinner who can be effective in and out of Asia.
 
It’s not about NZ. We can’t afford to keep him to play in asian conditions only. We have to look past him. He is absolutely non-threatening. He’ll take his 3 -4 meaningless wkts per game but not enough are in situations where you need a partnership broken. Where you need pressure applied. Where you need runs cut off. There’s barely two catching options including the slip when he’s bowling. There’s far too many full pitched deliveries. Nobody even pretends to use their feet to carve singles off his bowling. Like I said he poses zero challenge to batsmen at this level. It’s just not a cerebral spell where he’s working away at a plan. It’s just bland as it gets man.
 
most over hyped and overrated spinner ever. Absolute garbage he has been for past 3 years yet easily finds his place in the team. Only in Pakistan this useless spinner keeps playing.
 
AamirWarraich said:
Yeah he never had the skill to be successful outside Asia. His 10 wickets at Lords were a fluke. I think he can still be useful in Asian conditions, so keep him for 2-3 more series. He looks fitter than he used to be and can hold the bat. So I feel he can still contribute for another year or so in Asia. After that hopefully we find a spinner who can be effective in and out of Asia.
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he was smashed by Bangladeshi batters in Asia as well. He is just terrible spinner.
 
Energy said:
Shah ji cannot land the ball on length since years. And he's meandering along for years and years. A weak management is what this type of mediocrity thrives on.
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Misbah loves him. Simple answer. Get rid of Misbah and Yasir will not play next series.
 
MRSN said:
Misbah loves him. Simple answer. Get rid of Misbah and Yasir will not play next series.
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And if that's not enough for Wasim Khan and the other senior management team to realise then nothing will be. Being in an influential position and selections based on whims and desires should not be tolerated.

If questioned, Misbah - being his usual defensive self will respond by saying aap khel lo phir Yasir ki jagah. Like how he used to respond when asked on his batting.
 
We have seen enough of him outside Asia to know he isn't the answer. Should try another spinner.
 
Hasan123 said:
We have seen enough of him outside Asia to know he isn't the answer. Should try another spinner.
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Noone else is attacking enough for Misbahs new adventures as coach
There just the same containing type bowlers like abdur rehman and abdul hafeez who Misbah had to captain
 
The problem is our team management historically has never understood the importance of horses for courses selection - picking players based on conditions. Instead they pick based on reputation.

I disagree with the idea of axing Yasir entirely. He's one of the few proven performers in our attack especially on low bounce wickets and should continue playing Asia Tests with another spinner. BUT there's a large enough sample to conclude Yasir Shah should not be bowling in the Southern Hemisphere. We need a finger spinner in these conditions to provide control, the odd breakthrough and allow the seamers to be rotated.

However Misbah is obsessed with wrist spinners hence why Zafar hardly gets a game and picks the likes of Yasir, Shadab and Usman ahead of him.
 
I thought Yasir was a better bowler than Ashwin outside Asia but changed my mind now. Shaw looks to have regressed in the past 2 years.
 
Have been saying this for ages he should not play in sena conditions he doesnt have the control and offers nothing for the first 3.5 days.he can play in asain conditions thou
 
3/113 for Pakistan in the 1st innings vs New Zealand - decent performance considering others in the lineup - including the crucial wicket of Williamson

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3/113 for Pakistan in the 1st innings vs New Zealand - decent performance considering others in the lineup - including the crucial wicket of Williamson

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Selected for the Test series against SA

"Let's assume that we play Zahid instead of Yasir - we then have 2 match-winning spinners who are debuting, they will feel the pressure; Based on this, Yasir is needed and its up to him to prove his mettle" : Mohammad Wasim
 
His place in the XI is protected, for now. Looks like Wasim is ready to drop him though if he doesn't pick up soon
 
Firebat said:
His place in the XI is protected, for now. Looks like Wasim is ready to drop him though if he doesn't pick up soon
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hes hanging on a thread he must perform against south africa or zahid could replace him in the squad like for like replacement
 
Zahid Mahmood is more hype than substance, below are his overall first-class bowling stats:-
MAT Inns Balls Runs Wkts
49 81 8407 5294 144

BBI BBM Ave Econ SR
6/57 10/98 36.76 3.77 58.3

4w 5w 10w
7 5 1

Nothing spectacular, to challenge Yasir Shah's test spot. The guy leaks runs, and a lot of them at the first class level, chances of him being a spray gun at the test levels are very high.
In limited overs he can be a decent option, but age isn't on his side.
 
Mohammad Wasim on Yasir's non selection for the Test series against Zimbabwe:

PakPassion.net: Yasir Shah has stated that he would have been fit for the tour of Zimbabwe and that nobody communicated to him that he was going to miss out on selection. Is this true?

Mohammad Wasim: It was a simple case as far as Yasir Shah’s situation was concerned. I was in touch with the team physio, and I saw Yasir’s medical reports. It was felt that Yasir needed more time to recover from his injury and in addition he would have needed time for his rehabilitation. So, there were too many ifs and buts regarding his fitness and availability for selection and it was a clear-cut case for us that he wasn’t fully fit for this tour.


PakPassion.net: Did you tell Yasir that he wasn’t going to be picked for the Test series against Zimbabwe?

Mohammad Wasim: I had a chat with Yasir and I explained everything to him about the fact that he was injured and he was well aware of that as he was struggling in the second Test match against South Africa. Also, we have planned with him that he will work at the NHPC with Saqlain Mushtaq and the physios will work with him on a fitness plan. Saqlain will look at his bowling and look at how the injury can be prevented in future. We want to make sure he completes his recovery and his rehabilitation and also to make sure that the injury doesn’t happen again. We wish to help him prolong his career, otherwise who knows how long he can continue to play with these types of injuries as they can be very damaging for him.

So this will give Yasir a chance to fully recover, make the adjustments that Saqlain Mushtaq and the other coaches recommend. Hopefully he will be pain-free and injury-free in future and he can serve Pakistan for the next three years at least.
 
PakPassion.net: Did you tell Yasir that he wasn’t going to be picked for the Test series against Zimbabwe?

Mohammad Wasim: I had a chat with Yasir and I explained everything to him about the fact that he was injured and he was well aware of that as he was struggling in the second Test match against South Africa.
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Did Shah not say he wasn't told? Or it could be that Wasim spoke with him afterwards after Shah showed dissent.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Happy birthday to the incredible Yasir Shah 🎂<br><br>He is the fastest bowler to take 200 Test wickets, achieving the feat in just 33 matches ✨ <a href="https://t.co/wiqtcZYmPs">pic.twitter.com/wiqtcZYmPs</a></p>— ICC (@ICC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1388713630577971205?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The bowling of Shadab, Qadir, Nauman, Sajid, Zahid etc. has shown that Pakistan still needs Yasir for the next 3-4 years.

He has been on decline over the last few years and is a match-loser outside Asia, but on Asian pitches, he is the only match-winning bowler that Pakistan has especially against quality lineups.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 1986. Yasir Shah was born in Swabi. Yasir was the second-fastest to 100 Test wickets, the joint-second fastest bowler of all time and quickest spinner to take 150 wickets in Tests & the fastest bowler, in terms of matches played, to take 200 Test wickets <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/DgFfJCKsWD">pic.twitter.com/DgFfJCKsWD</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1388768936364318723?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Struggling to turn his leg-break again today. I am inclined to be lenient given that this is his first test match since February.
 
Can't believe he is still playing.

He is mediocre.
He may take 5 wickets but he will cost many more games then he wins.
He should have learned how to bowl variety, ie big leg spinner then slider..... simple but can't believe he has still hasnt been helped.

fastest to 200 wickets I wonder if this was when Pakistan had 500 on the board and the pitch was big spinners.......
 
He's just playing on reputation. He doesn't have anything in his arsenal nowadays. Can't even land a ball 3 times on a good length in succession.
 
For heaven’s sake, is there no better spinner than Yasir Shah in the whole country? He is bowling absolute dollies.
 
Sajid Khan was poor throughout that Zimbabwe series.

Yasir just recovered from a knee injury I believe.

Nauman has been very solid, a good spin option.

Zahid Mahmood leaks too many runs.

Shadab Khan isn't in the squad and is too inexperienced.

Mohammad Nawaz was sent back despite not being given a single chance.

Salman Ali Agha was also dropped from the test squad without playing.

We are truly lacking good spin bowling options apart from Nauman Ali who has been excellent. Out of all our options, Yasir and Nauman still seem better than everyone else.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Sajid Khan was poor throughout that Zimbabwe series.

Yasir just recovered from a knee injury I believe.

Nauman has been very solid, a good spin option.

Zahid Mahmood leaks too many runs.

Shadab Khan isn't in the squad and is too inexperienced.

Mohammad Nawaz was sent back despite not being given a single chance.

Salman Ali Agha was also dropped from the test squad without playing.

We are truly lacking good spin bowling options apart from Nauman Ali who has been excellent. Out of all our options, Yasir and Nauman still seem better than everyone else.
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Should try out Nauman Ali/Nawaz. Yasir is just past it with his frequent injuries.
 
Nauman might not be good but he is thousand times better than this rubbish yasir Shah He at least can bat
 
Yasir Shah has for years played om reputation alone. Nothing will change about that any time soon I am afraid, no matter how badly he bowls.
 
Yasir is only in his early thirties which means we're stuck with him for another ten years &#55357;&#56878;
 
Hes amongest the worlds best spinners in test.

Probably having a bad day and has bowled only 9 overs.

Give it a rest
 
His bowling average since the start of 2019 has been 48 against a career avg. of 31.

This shows a very steep decline in performance. Is there a way back? Possible but unlikely but the main question should be can we carry another passenger in addition to the three we already have?

The openers are duds and Azhar can no longer bat unless its that one innings to save his spot. Loyalty and playing your friends is one thing but team management need to make the correct calls. I wouldn't even call it ruthlessness as it's plain to see that these guys need dropping for good.

When you play 4 passengers, its easy to see why we are level pegging against a mediocre side like Windies.
 
IMO it was a bad decision to pick him over Nauman.

Nauman has been a great addition to the Pakistan team regardless of his age, he should have played ahead of Yasir Shah if not both should have played
 
Let's see how he (Yasir) goes second innings... last time I saw him bowl he took out the entire SA top order in a Test match including Elgar & Faff... then got De Kock later for good measure... seemed a pretty useful contribution to me.
 
Problem is the number of Tests we are playing.

Selectors too scared to experiment/try out other options for fear of failure but this is getting ridiculous now
 
Ed_ said:
Spinning the ball miles is overrated. It's all about the variations. Both pace and style of ball. Even minimum deviation from spin with loads of variety is more damgerous than outrageous spin.
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From someone who bowls spin I 100% agree.
 
Let the sun dry out the pitch. WI are playing really well but I feel Yasir will come into his own on day five with a 5 for. Weather permitting.
 
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The pitch wasn’t dry enough and the other thing is, Yasir is a leggie who hasn’t played red ball cricket for a while, it will take some time to build his confidence and rhythm, it’s not easy to control leg spin and it’s worse when you are rusty and conditions are not favourable for you, I’d expect somewhat of an improvement in the 2nd innings, if not then certainly the next test match. Yasir may not be what he was but still remains a match winner for Pakistan, the grass is always greener on the other fence but it really isn’t when you look at the resources and options which have not been developed
 
shaz619 said:
The pitch wasn’t dry enough and the other thing is, Yasir is a leggie who hasn’t played red ball cricket for a while, it will take some time to build his confidence and rhythm, it’s not easy to control leg spin and it’s worse when you are rusty and conditions are not favourable for you, I’d expect somewhat of an improvement in the 2nd innings, if not then certainly the next test match. Yasir may not be what he was but still remains a match winner for Pakistan, the grass is always greener on the other fence but it really isn’t when you look at the resources and options which have not been developed
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He's not the first leg-spinner encountering this issue.

When not taking wickets, he should not be giving away runs with long hops etc. This is his issue.
 
There’s something very wrong when a guy averages 48 with the ball after his 33rd birthday, and he’s still in the team aged 35 after two years of this garbage.

He might win this Test in the fourth innings, but he’s bowling rubbish.
 
Junaids said:
There’s something very wrong when a guy averages 48 with the ball after his 33rd birthday, and he’s still in the team aged 35 after two years of this garbage.

He might win this Test in the fourth innings, but he’s bowling rubbish.
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Pakistan just doesn't have options. We have become like an associate team who keeps seniors because they have poor grass root level cricketers coming through. Hafeez is a prime example. Also the guy who will replace Yasir is older than in age than Yasir. It is a sad state of affairs but being a Pakistan fan is tough these. Apart from Baber and Rizwan there is nothing exciting in this team.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Sajid Khan was poor throughout that Zimbabwe series.

Yasir just recovered from a knee injury I believe.

Nauman has been very solid, a good spin option.

Zahid Mahmood leaks too many runs.

Shadab Khan isn't in the squad and is too inexperienced.

Mohammad Nawaz was sent back despite not being given a single chance.

Salman Ali Agha was also dropped from the test squad without playing.

We are truly lacking good spin bowling options apart from Nauman Ali who has been excellent. Out of all our options, Yasir and Nauman still seem better than everyone else.
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Nuaman should have been in the playing xi he's a better bat and can hold a end with the ball.
 
Rana said:
IMO it was a bad decision to pick him over Nauman.

Nauman has been a great addition to the Pakistan team regardless of his age, he should have played ahead of Yasir Shah if not both should have played
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Definitely should have numan even if he doesn't take wickets he can Definitely keep it tight.
 
shamaan said:
Nuaman should have been in the playing xi he's a better bat and can hold a end with the ball.
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Yes.

It's a shame Nawaz was sent back, he would have been a good option to consider.

If Azhar opens, we can bring Saud, who is a decent spin option as well.
 
MenInG said:
He's not the first leg-spinner encountering this issue.

When not taking wickets, he should not be giving away runs with long hops etc. This is his issue.
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Yet he’s the best Test class spinner in the world (in fact while he may not be first to encounter such issues others have hardly had the same success in tests so put respect on his name) and also the best of his era so folk should have a much better appreciation of his capabilities at his best and acknowledge the negative side to - it’s partly nature of the leg spinning beast, inactivity outside his prime have compounded his performance but there is no doubt how he is your most successful match winner with a ball in his hand and remains so even at his age.
 
Current match:

0 and 4 with the bat

16 overs 0 for 59 with the ball
 
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Useless pick

Needs to be swapped with Nauman in the next game.
 
We deserved to lose for only picking him.

The most useless player right now
 
our biggest issue is the lack of test cricket..azhar and yasir just dont play enough so when they do play they are always rusty..
 
The last great performance by Yasir was that NZ match in UAE in 2018, he has been average since then. How long can someone keep playing on reputation?
 
MRSN said:
Pakistan just doesn't have options. We have become like an associate team who keeps seniors because they have poor grass root level cricketers coming through. Hafeez is a prime example. Also the guy who will replace Yasir is older than in age than Yasir.
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I disagree about there not being a better option than Yasir Shah.

Yasir scored 0 and 4.

Yasir took 0-46 and 0-13.

It's unthinkable that Shadab Khan would have scored less than 60 runs in this match, although I agree that he would probably have taken 0-60 with the ball too.

So had Pakistan picked Shadab Khan instead of Yasir Shah they would have won this Test by at least 50 runs.

I agree that there is not a good enough specialist spinner. But Abbas and Shaheen are both certified tailenders anyway, so there is no vacancy for a specialist spinner.

The vacancy is for an all-rounder who can bowl some spin.
 
Captain didn't bowl him on the 4th day, spinning pitch, vs the tail... you either blame the captain for not using him in ideal legspinner situation (and wrist spin has always been the natural enemy of the WI batsman) or you stop selecting him because he captain has no faith in him anyway.
 
wrongun said:
Captain didn't bowl him on the 4th day, spinning pitch, vs the tail... you either blame the captain for not using him in ideal legspinner situation (and wrist spin has always been the natural enemy of the WI batsman) or you stop selecting him because he captain has no faith in him anyway.
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Babar has netted with Yasir Shah for the last 6 years.

It's pretty obvious that he - like the rest of us - can see that he has lost his accuracy and control as well as his spin.

Misbah-ul-Haq is the last person to recognise that Yasir Shah is no longer the bowler that he used to be.
 
Chaddi buddy gets back into the team and both Nauman and Sajid face the axe for absolutely no reason. That's how Misbah rolls in Pakistan cricket.
 
Bit of a worry when your main spinner can't spin the ball and your main senior batsman can't bat. But hey should we worry as they will 'learn'.
 
The results are out and Yasir Shah has proven to be way way past his best.

Please please please, do not pick him ever again!
 
gazza619 said:
The results are out and Yasir Shah has proven to be way way past his best.

Please please please, do not pick him ever again!
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Don't worry, Misbah will put him along with Azhar the first names on the team sheet for the next holid*cough* I mean tour.
 
He is finished now. Useless with bat and ball. Drops dollies in the slips. Nauman should be the number 1 spinner now. Yasir should only play in Asia.

Playing him in the first test was the difference between defeat and victory.
 
Needs a lot of over under his belt to get his rhythm back after a long lay off and injury.

Think he'll recover.
 
I think it's over for him

Even in Asia where we play 2 spinners there's a case for shadab or usman qadir to partner nauman ali.

Shadab has more utility in that he is a gun fielder and has some ability with the bat .
 
shamaan said:
He needs to go back to playing qaid e azam.
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We don't play test matches as regularly as we should, and in between I don't think Yasir is working hard enough to get match fit and be ready as a bowler. He is always a passenger in the first test match of any overseas tours. I notice that he gets better as the series progresses, but by the time he is ready the series is already done and then he goes back to follow the same cycle for the next one.
 
Leg-spinner Yasir Shah has said that he has regained his fitness and aims to return to playing international cricket for Pakistan.

Yasir Shah had represented Balochistan in the recent Pakistan Cup.

According to details, in a statement, the leggie said that he had fitness issues for the past three months but he has worked on the issues and is completely fit now.

Yasir added that he is ready to join the Pakistan test team in the upcoming series. International teams’ tour to Pakistan is very helpful for young players, he added.

On a question about the Indo-Pak cricket series, Yasir said that the Pak-India cricket series should take place, tri-series are also entertaining to viewers.

It is to be noted that Balochistan had won the domestic Pakistan Cup on the back of Yasir’s devastating bowling.

Earlier in December 2021, the Islamabad police had registered a case against Yasir for his alleged involvement in aiding the rape and harassment of a 14-year-old girl. The complainant alleged that Yasir’s friend, Farhan, raped her at gunpoint and also filmed her obscene video.

However, Yasir Shah had been declared innocent in the case on January 12, 2022.

https://arynews.tv/yasir-shah-ready-to-return-to-international-cricket/
 
Yasir Shah may be in decline, but he is still miles ahead of Sajid Khan, Nauman Ali, and I would prefer him over any spinner for tests.

Yes, Yasir Shah is poor outside Asia, but do people really think that Sajid Khan, Nauman Ali, these guys will do better than Yasir Shah. I feel that Uasir SHah is quite disrespected as a player. Pakistan's best match-winner bowler in the last 5 + years,
 
Bilal Ahmad15 said:
Yasir Shah may be in decline, but he is still miles ahead of Sajid Khan, Nauman Ali, and I would prefer him over any spinner for tests.

Yes, Yasir Shah is poor outside Asia, but do people really think that Sajid Khan, Nauman Ali, these guys will do better than Yasir Shah. I feel that Uasir SHah is quite disrespected as a player. Pakistan's best match-winner bowler in the last 5 + years,
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Peak Yasir yes but in the last two years he was in decline most probably due to fitness issues.
 
Yasir Shah makes his return to Pakistans test setup for the tour of Sri Lanka, should be perfect conditions for him?
 
Risk going back to Yasir as he has been out of it for a while and is not getting any younger.

Average of 46 in his last 11 Tests.
 
Say what you want about Yasir Shah. But he still better than the likes of Nauman Ali and Sajid Khan no way they can be picked ahead of him.
 
Sher Khan said:
Say what you want about Yasir Shah. But he still better than the likes of Nauman Ali and Sajid Khan no way they can be picked ahead of him.
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Yasir was terrible in the recent T20 Cup. He hasn't really been playing domestic cricket that frequently. Sources close to him have been reporting that he is devoting his time to set up his business as he knows his playing days are coming to an end.
 
Yeah no thanks, he completely fell off a cliff these past few years and has a horrendous record in Australia, not to mention his run in with the law recently... don't want him anywhere near the team
 
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