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[VIDEOS] Abdullah Shafique - International performance watch

Wanted to flick the ball and would have worked on Pakistan wickets.

Clearly a lot to learn, but don't think he's in the right hands to groom himself anyway. I can see him, and all other youngsters go political, rogue, overweight, overconfident rather than put their head down, struggle, learn and become better.
 
Shouldn't he be in the middle-order rather than opening given his lack of domestic experience, let alone international experience ?
 
He should not have been here at all.
Just Misbah's lack of intellect and wisdom on view.
 
That was a shot more suited to an asian pitch. Broke his wrists rather than trying to punch it hard. Inexperience showed
 
It was an innings of two balls on wicket that had NZ batsmen struggling with the extra bounce at times too.

There isn't anything to base any opinion on, not yet.
 
Arsal_AK said:
It was an innings of two balls on wicket that had NZ batsmen struggling with the extra bounce at times too.

There isn't anything to base any opinion on, not yet.
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He still probably won’t amount to something we need in T20 Cricket.
 
I don't think he is a T20 player. He has something about him, would prefer to see him longer formats though.
 
He is a special talent and will one day be our main top order bat.

A few runs in the next T20's will enhance his reputation and he will be taken more seriously by our PSL + domestic teams.

I agree with some that it is a bit early for him and should have been playing FC for Punjab or Pak A ( Shaheens).
 
watson367 said:
Doesnt help when Rizwan is on the other end.
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Exactly haider should have opened abdullah cant hit the ball from ball 1 he takes atleast couple balls to get set i blame the management for picking 2 defensive openers
 
I do blame the management if abdullah is to open he must bat with an aggressive player.its obvious that the management gave him instructions to attack from ball one that isnt his game.we should stick with him for the next two games and partner him with haider
 
Seems an incredibly premature selection, won't be shocked if someone pulling the strings behind the scenes pushed for his inclusion. He needs a season or two playing domestic cricket.
 
He’s good. He’s very good. He’s just undercooked (not allowed to play first class cricket), and also shoehorned as a T20 player when he has the potential to be an awesome ODI and Test player.

At this stage of the process, forcing him to loosen up his game to suit T20 cricket might make him lose what made him so beautiful in the first place — his technique.
 
Needs to be partnered with someone whos aggressive if thats not possible then he should not play t20s
 
hur rizvi said:
Early days but i dont think selectors were right in selecting him so early
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There was no selector... It was the brainless Misbah who selected him for the Zim series to play him the last T20 instead of letting him play the first class matches.
 
Mobashir said:
There was no selector... It was the brainless Misbah who selected him for the Zim series to play him the last T20 instead of letting him play the first class matches.
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It's a disastrous decision, firstly he should have played First class and even if he had to be selected for NZ he should have played for Shaheens

I hope this early selection won't destroy his career
 
Last Monetarist said:
Seems an incredibly premature selection, won't be shocked if someone pulling the strings behind the scenes pushed for his inclusion. He needs a season or two playing domestic cricket.
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Based on two balls?

His selection is based on him being one of the leading run scorers in the domestic T20 competition. So, there is some method to him being selected. No strings being pulled.
 
hur rizvi said:
It's a disastrous decision, firstly he should have played First class and even if he had to be selected for NZ he should have played for Shaheens

I hope this early selection won't destroy his career
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From what I see he is too good and hardworking to be destroyed. But it means he will need more time to learn. They made him miss a complete FC season.
 
Mobashir said:
From what I see he is too good and hardworking to be destroyed. But it means he will need more time to learn. They made him miss a complete FC season.
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Yeah, that is criminal. Him and Haider haven't played FC cricket for over a year. Abdulah was made to sit on the bench for the whole Zim series bar one game when he could have played three rounds of QeA trophy. And now they have missed the two FC games on this tour as well, designed for them.
 
Abdullah Rabbani said:
Similar comments we hear about babar before, this guy is going to be next all format player for Pakistan
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He indeed will be, but Babar also had several years of U13 and U16 development and if I remember correctly played more first class cricket.

Abdullah is exceptionally talented and reminds me of Kohli. However, his major stages of grooming have been U19 cricket (though he didn’t play the world cup), one season of second XI three day cricket, and one season of first XI T20 cricket. In addition, he has one first XI four day game where he scored 133 on debut, which is magnificent.

He has all the shots, and a very un-Pakistani temperament where he chased 200 on debut in a T20 by scoring a century, after two wickets had fallen in the first over. This kid is the real deal - folks with less talent but good temperament like Azhar Ali have made entire Test and One Day careers in Pakistan cricket.

What I don’t like is that he was “tried” against Zimbabwe for one T20 game rather than allowed to play 3 FC games. I also don’t like that he is being considered by Misbah as more of a T20 player than an ODI and Test player.

In sum, Misbah’s selection (not his coaching) has attempted to destroy a career before it’s begun. That’s why I believe Wasim’s appointment is more important than people are thinking - I would much rather Misbah continue coaching than continue selecting.

May Abdullah continue working hard and prove himself at the highest level iA. One day, people will be raving about his performances as an all-format player, this I truly believe.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
He indeed will be, but Babar also had several years of U13 and U16 development and if I remember correctly played more first class cricket.

Abdullah is exceptionally talented and reminds me of Kohli. However, his major stages of grooming have been U19 cricket (though he didn’t play the world cup), one season of second XI three day cricket, and one season of first XI T20 cricket. In addition, he has one first XI four day game where he scored 133 on debut, which is magnificent.

He has all the shots, and a very un-Pakistani temperament where he chased 200 on debut in a T20 by scoring a century, after two wickets had fallen in the first over. This kid is the real deal - folks with less talent but good temperament like Azhar Ali have made entire Test and One Day careers in Pakistan cricket.

What I don’t like is that he was “tried” against Zimbabwe for one T20 game rather than allowed to play 3 FC games. I also don’t like that he is being considered by Misbah as more of a T20 player than an ODI and Test player.

In sum, Misbah’s selection (not his coaching) has attempted to destroy a career before it’s begun. That’s why I believe Wasim’s appointment is more important than people are thinking - I would much rather Misbah continue coaching than continue selecting.

May Abdullah continue working hard and prove himself at the highest level iA. One day, people will be raving about his performances as an all-format player, this I truly believe.
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True he need to be groom well under the wing's of pcb like babar and put performances in domestic but not wasted like saud or saad
 
Arsal_AK said:
Based on two balls?

His selection is based on him being one of the leading run scorers in the domestic T20 competition. So, there is some method to him being selected. No strings being pulled.
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I would have said the same even if he had last 50 balls. He has played a single first-class match, and probably less than 20 professional T20 matches in his life. Regardless of talent, you can't just throw someone in at the deep end like that in this day and age.
 
Gets out early again

Jonathon Trott trying to play modern T20 cricket
 
He is not ready yet. Looks short on confidence in difficult conditions.

Pakistan fans calling him rubbish based on 2 games need to have their heads checked.
 
If we didn’t pick him and some other youngster would have flopped instead of him, then Abdullah Shafique would have been the right selection while the other player would have been the wrong selection.

This is what happens when fans cannot accept that we are just above minnow level and 99% of the players coming through our not international class.

And no, nothing will change when messiah Mohammad Wasim takes charge.
 
With two crap performances it could be a blessing in disguise, Sharjeel Khan will easily replace this guy for the South Africa series.
 
Mamoon said:
If we didn’t pick him and some other youngster would have flopped instead of him, then Abdullah Shafique would have been the right selection while the other player would have been the wrong selection.

This is what happens when fans cannot accept that we are just above minnow level and 99% of the players coming through our not international class.

And no, nothing will change when messiah Mohammad Wasim takes charge.
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It's pretty clear that our domestic system is at par with Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, and perhaps slightly ahead of the Caribbean and Zimbabwe structures. Any young Pakistani batsman or bowler coming into international cricket starts quickly looking like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
 
The guy got his chance and sadly it appears has blown it. International Cricket and Pakistan Cricket is all about availing your chances.
 
Last Monetarist said:
It's pretty clear that our domestic system is at par with Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, and perhaps slightly ahead of the Caribbean and Zimbabwe structures. Any young Pakistani batsman or bowler coming into international cricket starts quickly looking like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
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People have this illusion that 6 team system will magically transform us into an elite team lol. If the batting talent isn't coming from youth cricket then 6 or 100 teams will make no difference
 
Last Monetarist said:
I would have said the same even if he had last 50 balls. He has played a single first-class match, and probably less than 20 professional T20 matches in his life. Regardless of talent, you can't just throw someone in at the deep end like that in this day and age.
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Fair enough and I agree that he should be playing FC cricket.
 
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He's been picked both too early and for the wrong format. Hopefully with the end of Misbah's run as CS we'll stop seeing these type of decisions.
 
Mamoon said:
If we didn’t pick him and some other youngster would have flopped instead of him, then Abdullah Shafique would have been the right selection while the other player would have been the wrong selection.

This is what happens when fans cannot accept that we are just above minnow level and 99% of the players coming through our not international class.

And no, nothing will change when messiah Mohammad Wasim takes charge.
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agree with this.

No one is gonna admit here that they were wrong.

Its the fault of rizwan and misbah and waqar younis
 
Mamoon said:
If we didn’t pick him and some other youngster would have flopped instead of him, then Abdullah Shafique would have been the right selection while the other player would have been the wrong selection.

This is what happens when fans cannot accept that we are just above minnow level and 99% of the players coming through our not international class.

And no, nothing will change when messiah Mohammad Wasim takes charge.
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Is he have potential
 
So a young player comes in and struggles, so what. If he was good enough to get selected, he is good enough to get a long rope. Lets give him time to develop if he has the talent and i hope both Misbah and YK now whether he has it or not. Stop looking for the great white hope after every failure because it doesn't work.
 
Mamoon said:
If we didn’t pick him and some other youngster would have flopped instead of him, then Abdullah Shafique would have been the right selection while the other player would have been the wrong selection.

This is what happens when fans cannot accept that we are just above minnow level and 99% of the players coming through our not international class.

And no, nothing will change when messiah Mohammad Wasim takes charge.
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Is Abdullah Shafique international class or not according to you?
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
He indeed will be, but Babar also had several years of U13 and U16 development and if I remember correctly played more first class cricket.

Abdullah is exceptionally talented and reminds me of Kohli. However, his major stages of grooming have been U19 cricket (though he didn’t play the world cup), one season of second XI three day cricket, and one season of first XI T20 cricket. In addition, he has one first XI four day game where he scored 133 on debut, which is magnificent.

He has all the shots, and a very un-Pakistani temperament where he chased 200 on debut in a T20 by scoring a century, after two wickets had fallen in the first over. This kid is the real deal - folks with less talent but good temperament like Azhar Ali have made entire Test and One Day careers in Pakistan cricket.

What I don’t like is that he was “tried” against Zimbabwe for one T20 game rather than allowed to play 3 FC games. I also don’t like that he is being considered by Misbah as more of a T20 player than an ODI and Test player.

In sum, Misbah’s selection (not his coaching) has attempted to destroy a career before it’s begun. That’s why I believe Wasim’s appointment is more important than people are thinking - I would much rather Misbah continue coaching than continue selecting.

May Abdullah continue working hard and prove himself at the highest level iA. One day, people will be raving about his performances as an all-format player, this I truly believe.
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I repeat this. If we had picked some other youngster and they struggled, Abdullah Shafique would NOT have been the solution as many here are conveniently pointing out.

Abdullah is a future superstar. That does not mean he is ready yet.
 
Mamoon said:
If we didn’t pick him and some other youngster would have flopped instead of him, then Abdullah Shafique would have been the right selection while the other player would have been the wrong selection.

This is what happens when fans cannot accept that we are just above minnow level and 99% of the players coming through our not international class.

And no, nothing will change when messiah Mohammad Wasim takes charge.
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The thing about your posts is that you have no suggestions, you just carp, which means that you can pretend to look clever. It's the best way to be an arm chair cricket
 
Bewal Express said:
The thing about your posts is that you have no suggestions, you just carp, which means that you can pretend to look clever. It's the best way to be an arm chair cricket
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Very well put. It is easy to sound smart but very very difficult to smartly make suggestions.

Some people are very smart about this philosophy and thus go the easy way of sounding smart.
 
No idea why he was even selected in the first place!!

He has hardly played any tier 1 FC cricket and gets called up to the national team because he has had some success in the 2nd XI, which is hardly competitive and top level.
 
Always rush in batsmen too early. Even if they perform initially like Umar Akmal they go downhill. There's nothing wrong with just letting them get a few years experience in domestic, mature a bit and learn everything they can in domestic and then debuting them. I think that's a big mistake we made with Umar, and partly why he never really matured as a batsman

Not everyone is Babar Azam who was being hyped at 14. And even then he debuted at 21 despite the fact he had more playing experience than Abdullah.

If we were to include him in T20s, he first should have at least played PSL and shown his ability to do something there. It is the closest thing to international cricket, I've seen plenty of cricketers who do the job in domestic T20s but can't do it out there in PSL. Rizwan an example of this. Then make the jump to internationals.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Yeah, that is criminal. Him and Haider haven't played FC cricket for over a year. Abdulah was made to sit on the bench for the whole Zim series bar one game when he could have played three rounds of QeA trophy. And now they have missed the two FC games on this tour as well, designed for them.
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Textbook example from Misbah on how not to develop young players.
 
The two shots he's played this series haven't looked confident, or comfortable at the International scene.
 
Shoaib Akhtar on TV

“Abdullah Shafique’s was trying to play a pull shot with his head down. It was Tim Southee, not Saudi Arabia that you were so scared"
 
Leave the lad alone. We have tried the others, give him a run and let's see what happens. Who are the replacements, Uncle Ifti? Shoaib Malik? Give me strength
 
MenInG said:
Shoaib Akhtar on TV

“Abdullah Shafique’s was trying to play a pull shot with his head down. It was Tim Southee, not Saudi Arabia that you were so scared"
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It was a poor shot, caught in 2 minds. I haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement but I was hoping that he was picked because those people that watched and picked him, saw a talented player. At this stage he needs to be preserved with.
 
MenInG said:
Shoaib Akhtar on TV

“Abdullah Shafique’s was trying to play a pull shot with his head down. It was Tim Southee, not Saudi Arabia that you were so scared"
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Ouch!

But this can only be good for the guy. This is what international cricket is x 100. When he goes back to domestics after this he'll be better off for it.
 
He just doesn't look ready. Struggling on his first overseas tour, in alien conditions and doesn't have the right experience to figure out what to do here against world-class bowlers.

This was bound to fall. He is not a T20 player anyhow, its unfair on this kid to be thrown to the wolves like this.
 
Bewal Express said:
It was a poor shot, caught in 2 minds. I haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement but I was hoping that he was picked because those people that watched and picked him, saw a talented player. At this stage he needs to be preserved with.
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He was indeed very talented, but it’s equivalent to picking Babar Azam for international cricket as a 16 year old. Or Sachin at 12.

Abdullah needed 1 more year in domestic cricket.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
He was indeed very talented, but it’s equivalent to picking Babar Azam for international cricket as a 16 year old. Or Sachin at 12.

Abdullah needed 1 more year in domestic cricket.
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Why can't we simply understand hes playing the wrong format?
 
It was ugly ugly dismissal which I think was down to him not being able to handle pressure. Pressure makes you do silly things and AS was just too nervous.

Send him back to domestic to get some confidence.
 
I feel sorry for the lad.

He's been thrown in at the deep end and has looked extremely nervous so far on this tour.

I think back to the Zimbabwe series where he should have been given more game time and that would have helped his confidence.
 
I believe management waisted one domestic season of the guy and possibly his development has been halted. Not sure now if he is gonna be developed with national team or he will go back to domestic setup without any accountability of the damage done by the management.
 
Releasing him from the squad could scar his confidence for a long time. He’ll feel like a TTF.

I didn’t agree with the initial selection (due to the need for more domestic game time) but he is too talented for us to force a mental block on him and ruin his game forever.

I hope he’s persisted with, but allowed to play as much PSL and domestics as possible. Not sure how to find the balance without scarring him - best way to do it is to give him games in ODI cricket and drop him from all other formats. Also play him in Shaheens games (all formats). That way he doesn’t feel like he’s out of the plans, but he’ll have so much more time to play domestic cricket since there aren’t many ODIs coming up.

His greatest value to the team is in ODIs anyways. What do you people think?
 
I think we need to give him and Haider both the benefit of the doubt. These two will play better when Babar will return and support them. Strike rotation and pressure release with consistent boundaries.

There was honestly no real momentum in the last two innings
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Releasing him from the squad could scar his confidence for a long time. He’ll feel like a TTF.

I didn’t agree with the initial selection (due to the need for more domestic game time) but he is too talented for us to force a mental block on him and ruin his game forever.

I hope he’s persisted with, but allowed to play as much PSL and domestics as possible. Not sure how to find the balance without scarring him - best way to do it is to give him games in ODI cricket and drop him from all other formats. Also play him in Shaheens games (all formats). That way he doesn’t feel like he’s out of the plans, but he’ll have so much more time to play domestic cricket since there aren’t many ODIs coming up.

His greatest value to the team is in ODIs anyways. What do you people think?
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Yup, that is the only way now.
Dropping him now is just grave injustice and can have a terrible impact on him mentally.

But we wouldn't have this problem had Misbah not blessed us by being there making the decisions.

Wasim khan and co have really shot themselves in the foot by appointing this guy. He is absolutely terrible and I cant wait until he us kicked out.
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
Yup, that is the only way now.
Dropping him now is just grave injustice and can have a terrible impact on him mentally.

But we wouldn't have this problem had Misbah not blessed us by being there making the decisions.

Wasim khan and co have really shot themselves in the foot by appointing this guy. He is absolutely terrible and I cant wait until he us kicked out.
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That’s actually why I think Mohammad Wasim was the right choice for chief selector despite potentially costing him a successful coaching career with the national team. Most selectors have a tendency to either fast track or ignore talents. I hope Abdullah is given a proper run and communicated with throughout the process. I also hope he’s made friends with Younis Khan, who seems to be the only positive person in the camp these days.
 
He was hyped to the moon but in this series it looks like he can't hold a bat, but he should be given more chances.
 
Nothing to lose now as the t20 series is lost, so Abdullah definitely should be played for the third game. I agree that he needs more FC experience but dropping him would dent his confidence as the kid's really talented. Along with Haider, right now he needs to be given a long rope. Even if he's not playing in the games, at least he should be around the squad.
 
Too early to say but I am happy to give him more chances - despite his failure yesterday.

However - my gut feeling is that he is more suited to the longer formats. Would be happy to be proven wrong if he does succeed in T20's :)
 
Has been put back in the Shaheens T20 squad - why not try him for Tests?
 
Feel sad for him.

Been playing cricket for the past 15 years.

For the past 5 years, he's woke up every day at 5am. Went for a run. Then practiced in the nets EVERY day for 5-6 hours. Then at night did a gym session. Meanwhile, he was eating clean.

Played Sialkot group cricket, and has been the best performer at EVERY level. By a huge margin. With others scoring centuries, he'd score 180+ scores in 50 over games.

After years of struggle, he FINALLY makes his senior level debut. Plays for Central Punjab second XI.

In his first ever tournament, he scores 500+ runs averaging 68 with a double hundred.

Then makes his first-class debut. Scores 133.

Has almost a year off from professional cricket. In that period, once again he's training EVERY SINGLE day minimum 5 hours. Neglected in the PSL but kept working.

Now he gets selected to play National T20. Scored 102* off 50 balls on T20 debut. Impresses in the other games with a few 50's and a few starts.

Selected to play for Pakistan. Makes 41* on T20 debut. Does brilliantly.

Now goes to New Zealand(never left Asia before) - does pretty well in all practice games. Scores 30 in each practice game.

Then after only 4 balls across 2 games, he is abused by many in Pakistan and written off.

So so unlucky and unfair. Give him AT LEAST 5 games.

T20 is not his best format, but this guy is a special batsman. A special cricketer.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Feel sad for him.

Been playing cricket for the past 15 years.

For the past 5 years, he's woke up every day at 5am. Went for a run. Then practiced in the nets EVERY day for 5-6 hours. Then at night did a gym session. Meanwhile, he was eating clean.

Played Sialkot group cricket, and has been the best performer at EVERY level. By a huge margin. With others scoring centuries, he'd score 180+ scores in 50 over games.

After years of struggle, he FINALLY makes his senior level debut. Plays for Central Punjab second XI.

In his first ever tournament, he scores 500+ runs averaging 68 with a double hundred.

Then makes his first-class debut. Scores 133.

Has almost a year off from professional cricket. In that period, once again he's training EVERY SINGLE day minimum 5 hours. Neglected in the PSL but kept working.

Now he gets selected to play National T20. Scored 102* off 50 balls on T20 debut. Impresses in the other games with a few 50's and a few starts.

Selected to play for Pakistan. Makes 41* on T20 debut. Does brilliantly.

Now goes to New Zealand(never left Asia before) - does pretty well in all practice games. Scores 30 in each practice game.

Then after only 4 balls across 2 games, he is abused by many in Pakistan and written off.

So so unlucky and unfair. Give him AT LEAST 5 games.

T20 is not his best format, but this guy is a special batsman. A special cricketer.
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[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what do u think?!
 
Bullet Drive said:
Feel sad for him.

Been playing cricket for the past 15 years.

For the past 5 years, he's woke up every day at 5am. Went for a run. Then practiced in the nets EVERY day for 5-6 hours. Then at night did a gym session. Meanwhile, he was eating clean.

Played Sialkot group cricket, and has been the best performer at EVERY level. By a huge margin. With others scoring centuries, he'd score 180+ scores in 50 over games.

After years of struggle, he FINALLY makes his senior level debut. Plays for Central Punjab second XI.

In his first ever tournament, he scores 500+ runs averaging 68 with a double hundred.

Then makes his first-class debut. Scores 133.

Has almost a year off from professional cricket. In that period, once again he's training EVERY SINGLE day minimum 5 hours. Neglected in the PSL but kept working.

Now he gets selected to play National T20. Scored 102* off 50 balls on T20 debut. Impresses in the other games with a few 50's and a few starts.

Selected to play for Pakistan. Makes 41* on T20 debut. Does brilliantly.

Now goes to New Zealand(never left Asia before) - does pretty well in all practice games. Scores 30 in each practice game.

Then after only 4 balls across 2 games, he is abused by many in Pakistan and written off.

So so unlucky and unfair. Give him AT LEAST 5 games.

T20 is not his best format, but this guy is a special batsman. A special cricketer.
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The problem is that we don't have that many games left. Each game we lose is an opportunity wasted to form the best possible playing XI. Each game we lose is a setback forcing changes in random departments. He has to come strong in the last game, otherwise, he should be dropped.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Can fully expect Misbah to drop him tomorrow.

The circle continues.
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If you can, get him off social media. He’s a special talent, and doesn’t need to have thoughts clouding his mind right now. People calling him parchi, street cricketer and stuff like that.

As long as he maintains his focus, there’s nothing stopping him from becoming the next Virat Kohli.
 
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