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[VIDEOS] Concerns about Shadab Khan's bowling

Mickey Arthur speaking on TV:

"Mohammad Amir swung the ball, Irfan was OK, Shadab looked good. If Pakistan manage to get some more runs, Australia would've had to take risks against the likes of Shadab which would've possibly meant wickets. Pakistan need to look at that batting order"
 
Misbah speaking to the press today after announcement of the T20I squad for Bangladesh series

"Shadab is working hard and we have Usman Qadir also as a backup and we are working with him as well and keeping everything in mind"
 
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Not that impressive so far in the 1st T20I, 2 wides and singles etc against him
 
Shady boy enjoying free rides in the team now a days due to conflict of interest of Head coach.

Its clear that Babar wants to try Usman Qadir.
 
Shadab is supposed to be playing as an all rounder.

However, his batting is mediocre to say the least, as he can't hit a boundary to save his life, and is as bad as Faheem when it comes to bowling against non-minnows.

Imad trumps him as a batsman and as a bowler. Shadab is the better fielder though.
 
Bowled poorly today. I do not like Shadab’s wicket celebrations either.

It would be better if Pakistan gave a chance to another spinner in his place.
 
He seems to bowl far too many long hop these days. Was a better bowler 2 years ago, not sure what's happened.

The captain should also handle Shadab differently. Must not give him a spell of more than 2 overs and specially against left handers. We have 6th and 7th bowlers as well so Shadab doesn't necessarily need to bowl his full spell all the time.
 
I just can’t stand him. He is a Saad Nasim who just got lucky.

A rubbish cricketer who brings nothing to the team except theatrics in the field. A liability gifted to Pakistan cricket by PSL 2.
 
It's more than just his bowling we need to be concerned about.

What a classless human being. Now we know why he's been so distracted this past year. These Pak cricketers get a bit of fame and fortune at the start of their careers but they are not emotionally mature enough to handle it.

Sack him as IU captain. Didn't deserve to be appointed in the first place.
 
Shadab seems more interested in accumulating girlfriends than wickets and runs.
 
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It's more than just his bowling we need to be concerned about.

What a classless human being. Now we know why he's been so distracted this past year. These Pak cricketers get a bit of fame and fortune at the start of their careers but they are not emotionally mature enough to handle it.

Sack him as IU captain. Didn't deserve to be appointed in the first place.

What did I miss re: the distraction?
 
Can we stick to cricket on this thread? Freaking desis are literally the most backward humans on this planet. His performance has nothing to do with how many girls he take to. He’s been trying to bowl flat and quick and doesn’t have a clue on how to set a batsman up. His dip in performance has nothing to do with him talking to girls.
 
Can we stick to cricket on this thread? Freaking desis are literally the most backward humans on this planet. His performance has nothing to do with how many girls he take to. He’s been trying to bowl flat and quick and doesn’t have a clue on how to set a batsman up. His dip in performance has nothing to do with him talking to girls.

I agree that his poor performances have nothing to do with his off-field activities. Imran Khan used to do worse things when he was at the peak of his cricket career.

Shadab’s problem is that he is just a poor cricketer, and he deserves to be dropped for cricketing reasons and not for womanizing.
 
I worry about his off-field activities more than his bowling.
 
good cricketer
Great fielder, good to great bowler and decent bat. Bat is a little behind. but he also has not had too many chances with the bad. comes in way late every time i am watching. also man that fielding is nice for a team like Pakistan his fielding might be more valuable then if was in another team. PCB should market his fielding to show kids they can make it. We can have a great fielder in our side too. That happens with dedication so reward it.
 
Reminder. Thread is about Shadab.

Plenty of Imran Khan threads around to discuss him in.
 
4 more overs of utter rubbish today from Shadab.

No spin, no control, no line, no length.
 
Door seems to be shutting on shupa ishtaar's career. Should have focused on his bowling rather than blackmailing girls.
 
The phainta which he received from Azam today reminded me of Hardik Pandya against him in CT Final.
 
Azam Khan phainta against Shadab Khan

It reminded me of Hardik Pandya giving him phainta in CT final. This is what happens when the worst (or second-worst) player in the playing XI is your captain. Shadab needs to be given a rest from cricket for a while and should not be anywhere near Pakistan team.
 
i agree shadab is literally finished ..he only got fame because of psl never had played any first class was a decent un 19s...to be honest i have been very disappointed
 
i agree shadab is literally finished ..he only got fame because of psl never had played any first class was a decent un 19s...to be honest i have been very disappointed

He is not finished. He is still very young. But he needs to work very hard to come up to the level we want, so far very disappointing, but again he has time on his side.
 
He Can seriously bat unlike faheem, has the potential to become A Brilliant All Rounder ( maybe provide stability to lower middle order) .But Work Ethics is Alien Term to Pakistani players ( babar azam is an exception) so No Hope
 
He is not finished. He is still very young. But he needs to work very hard to come up to the level we want, so far very disappointing, but again he has time on his side.

He should be better than this. He has been playing international cricket for 3 years now.
 
Same could be said for Kuldeep yadav who is on decline for 2years now .
In this day and age Bowlers are not mystery anymore

Kuldeep has been dropped whenever it's necessary whereas Shadab is treated like a goose that lays golden eggs. He has played almost every T20 for Pakistan since he made his debut. He has never been dropped.
 
Hussain talat misjudged easy catch of azam khan when he was new to crease while bowler was shadab khan
 
Mickey - not a bad word for the younger players!


PakPassion.net: Did you get the feeling that some of the younger Pakistani players think they are better than what they actually are?

Mickey Arthur: I did not get that feeling from our younger players. I would like to think that myself and the support staff with the ideas, game plans and structures that we wanted for Pakistan cricket changed that way of thinking in the younger players. The younger guys and Sarfaraz Ahmed and Azhar Ali were all unbelievable human beings who never ever took playing for Pakistan for granted. They worked incredibly hard as that’s what the environment demanded, and they gave 100% every time they came for training. Every time they were in the dressing room they brought in positivity and energy and I never ever had any problem with any of the younger players. In fact, I admired their will to want to get better.
 
Some interesting thoughts from Saeed Ajmal today on Shadab Khan.

Interview coming soon.
 
Shadab Khan on PCB video

"My dream pair (from former players) will be with Saqlain Mushtaq and Saeed Ajmal - as Saqlain Bhai invented the Doosra and Saeed Bhai continued with it; He was called the magician so it would be great if I make him my bowling partner as it would make life very easy for me if he is bowling from the other end"

"From the current players, I would love to partner with Yasir Shah as he is the world record holder for being fastest to 200 wickets"
 
Saeed Ajmal speaking about Shadab Khan

PakPassion.net: Give us your thoughts on Shadab Khan and what he needs to do to improve further?

Saeed Ajmal: Shadab is an excellent bowler but I would like him to bowl in a more attacking fashion. He is a young talent and a brilliant bowler. He’s been made captain at Islamabad United so that he can build his confidence and is able to take good decisions in pressure situations. He can also build his skills so that he can be a back-up captain for Pakistan in the future if needed.

Whilst his batting has really improved in Twenty20 cricket as we saw in PSL 5 where he played in an attacking way, his bowling needs improvement as he rushes and I feel he bowls a little too short at times. I have advised him to take his time when bowling and also to bowl slower as that will give him time to think and work out the batsman as well. We are working on some of these issues with Shadab so that in future he will turn out to be a good all-round option for Pakistan.
 
A major reason why our ODI record has been awful in the last few years is because we lack a quality wicket-taking spinner in the middle overs.

One of the reasons stated to support Misbah's appointment as coach was that he'd identify quality spinners unlike Mickey. However it appears other than Usman Qadir, nobody else has been tried, and Shadab continues to remain in the squad for all formats.

Shadab was one of the stars of the 2017 Champions Trophy, and he continued in decent form until the 2018 Asia Cup where his form has nosedived since. There are many reasons. One is that he's tried to slow his speeds down considerably when he was more successful bowling quicker through the air at the start of his career. His accuracy and control over length is poor - there's always one loose delivery an over so he never builds pressure on the batsmen. And his googly which was so potent at the start is being picked easily now.

A needless controversy off the field hasn't helped either. If Misbah has Shadab's interest at heart, he'd give him a rest from international cricket so he can play a full season of QEA Trophy where he can bowl long spells and learn to set up batsmen.

Right now he is simply not elite class. These are his figures in ODIs since the start of the 2018 Asia Cup compared to other spinners who've played at least 10 matches:

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He doesn't have the accuracy for test cricket. Can see him getting smashed around in tests. May pick up some wickets but his RR will be costly.

He hasn't improved that much since he started playing since international cricket.
 
A major reason why our ODI record has been awful in the last few years is because we lack a quality wicket-taking spinner in the middle overs.

One of the reasons stated to support Misbah's appointment as coach was that he'd identify quality spinners unlike Mickey. However it appears other than Usman Qadir, nobody else has been tried, and Shadab continues to remain in the squad for all formats.

Shadab was one of the stars of the 2017 Champions Trophy, and he continued in decent form until the 2018 Asia Cup where his form has nosedived since. There are many reasons. One is that he's tried to slow his speeds down considerably when he was more successful bowling quicker through the air at the start of his career. His accuracy and control over length is poor - there's always one loose delivery an over so he never builds pressure on the batsmen. And his googly which was so potent at the start is being picked easily now.

A needless controversy off the field hasn't helped either. If Misbah has Shadab's interest at heart, he'd give him a rest from international cricket so he can play a full season of QEA Trophy where he can bowl long spells and learn to set up batsmen.

Right now he is simply not elite class. These are his figures in ODIs since the start of the 2018 Asia Cup compared to other spinners who've played at least 10 matches:

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I can remember during the Asia Cup I was arguing we need a specialist spinner and posters were saying Shadab was good enough whilst Rohit and Dhwaan were smashing him everywhere.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fakhar Zaman who scored 99 hit Shadab Khan for 6 sixes today in the warm-up match between Team Green and Team White <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/8gFiIo602t">pic.twitter.com/8gFiIo602t</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1285235224876584960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
He's not good enough to be the 4th bowler in Test cricket, and it appears he has more batting ambition than bowling.
 
He's one of the biggest bottlers you'll ever see.

In pressure games, almost ALWAYS goes missing and costs his team.

Three examples(and many more):

CT final 2017(almost cost us)

Asia Cup game vs Bangladesh 2018(with bat)

PSL Islamabad final game 2020(with bat)

He's a serial bottler, and he's not even that good when he's not bottling it.

The biggest mistake was when Shadab was picked over Usama Mir in 2017 PSL. Usama took more wickets than him in less games, yet Shadab was picked.
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A run-a-ball hundred today for Shadab. Just one problem - it was with the ball.
 
This is what happens when you overpromote PSL shooperstars.

Bowling for 4 overs means jack in a multi-day game when you need your spinner to provide control, set up a batsmen etc - which is an art you only learn in domestic FC !
 
I think the likes of Shadab will need a long ice bath after this match at Derby.

These guys are used to bowling 4 overs and then sitting in the dugout with their feet up.

A huge wake-up call in Derby to be bowling 20 overs and out in the field for 150 overs.
 
If he really wanted to improve as a bowler he should have spent less time in pyjama leagues and more bowling over after over in first class cricket. It would have helped develop his batting more too.
 
I think the likes of Shadab will need a long ice bath after this match at Derby.

These guys are used to bowling 4 overs and then sitting in the dugout with their feet up.

A huge wake-up call in Derby to be bowling 20 overs and out in the field for 150 overs.
I think people get confused about what Shadab Khan is.

He is Mushtaq Mohammad, not Intikhab Alam.

He is Shahid Afridi, not Danish Kaneria.

He is Moeen Ali, not Graeme Swann.

If you want a frontline spinner for Asia, forget it.

You get a guy who will score more runs at 7 than Fakhar Zaman or Iftikhar Ahmed, who can bowl 10 overs per day and might dismiss people on a deteriorating Day 5 wicket.
 
That bowling performance from Shadab pretty much seals Yasir's selection for the first test. Shame because his batting seems to have improved drastically over the last 12 months.

Shadab needs to introspect and decide what his role is going to be moving forward. Does he want to be a batsman that can bowl a few overs of leg spin eg. Marnus Labuschagne? Or does he want tp he a front line spinner that can bat at a decent level eg. Daniel Vettori? Whether he has the ability to play either role is another question altogether.

Regardless, he needs to spend another full season in FC cricket playing in the role he wants to play. If he wishes to become a batting allrounder then he needs to bat in the top 6 the whole season and feature among the top scorers. If a bowling allrounder is what he is then he needs to learn the art of test match bowling and offer more consistency.

Bits and pieces cricketers don't belong in test cricket. I for one would like to see him go down the batting allrounder route. At the moment Zafar Gohar is a considerably better bowler and is likely to become our front line spinner once Yasir retires/gets dropped. Shadab has already shown improvement in his batting and if he continues to work on it could probably replace Shafiq in a couple of years.

At the end of day it just depends on whether he's willing to put in the hard yards in FC to develop at least one facet of his game to a specialist or just below specialist level. For that he'll need to forego the T20 leagues for a couple of years. The coming year presents a great opportunity for him as many of them are likely to be postponed anyway.
 
I think he's happy earning easy money bowling 4 overs in a match and batting a few overs.
 
I think he's happy earning easy money bowling 4 overs in a match and batting a few overs.
With respect, your views on this are the opposite of Mickey Arthur’s.

Arthur says that he trains hard and plays at the same high intensity that only Younis Khan in the 2016-19 years could match.

I respect your views, but I think that Shadab has seen the likes of Azhar and Shafiq and Sarfraz and Yasir cruising and not really extending themselves, and been turned off by that.
 
He has to become a real man if he wishes to be known as a test cricketer.

Bowling 4 overs a night never made anyone a real cricketer.

This is not my opinion but opinion of Michael Holding who is no favorite of mine.
 
With respect, your views on this are the opposite of Mickey Arthur’s.

Arthur says that he trains hard and plays at the same high intensity that only Younis Khan in the 2016-19 years could match.

I respect your views, but I think that Shadab has seen the likes of Azhar and Shafiq and Sarfraz and Yasir cruising and not really extending themselves, and been turned off by that.

The sad reality is that many cricketers around the world see T20 leagues as the hen that lays golden eggs.

Why push your body to bowling 30 to 40 overs in a match, fielding for 200 overs, when you can instead opt for the easy life.

I respect Arthur's opinion, but I've heard totally different from another coach who has worked with Shadab.
 
I think he's happy earning easy money bowling 4 overs in a match and batting a few overs.
It’s funny isn’t it?

We have Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed and Yasir Shah, among with their buddies Imran Khan, Sohail Khan and Mohammad Hafeez.

Seven senior players who have never worked to go up a level or take responsibility, who each perform at best a couple of times per year, just enough to stay where they are.

And yet we know that they brief the media against those of their younger team-mates who don’t suck up and fawn all over them.

Compare the fitness and fielding of Shadab with any of the “Just Enough is Plenty” Seven, and ask yourself who is lazy and complacent.

My suspicion is that Shadab Khan is Moeen Ali: 80% of a Test batsman and 50% of a Test bowler.

(Whereas Hafeez was 50% of a batsman and 0% of a non-chucking bowler).
 
It’s funny isn’t it?

We have Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed and Yasir Shah, among with their buddies Imran Khan, Sohail Khan and Mohammad Hafeez.

Seven senior players who have never worked to go up a level or take responsibility, who each perform at best a couple of times per year, just enough to stay where they are.

And yet we know that they brief the media against those of their younger team-mates who don’t suck up and fawn all over them.

Compare the fitness and fielding of Shadab with any of the “Just Enough is Plenty” Seven, and ask yourself who is lazy and complacent.

My suspicion is that Shadab Khan is Moeen Ali: 80% of a Test batsman and 50% of a Test bowler.

(Whereas Hafeez was 50% of a batsman and 0% of a non-chucking bowler).

But it's not just about fitness is it.

Shadab could be the fittest in the world, but that doesn't mean he deserves a spot.

To me, he'll be a bits and pieces cricketer making his living in 20 over or 10 over cricket around the world.
 
It’s funny isn’t it?

We have Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed and Yasir Shah, among with their buddies Imran Khan, Sohail Khan and Mohammad Hafeez.

Seven senior players who have never worked to go up a level or take responsibility, who each perform at best a couple of times per year, just enough to stay where they are.
Two wrongs don't make a right. What you describe about those seniors describes exactly Shadab Khan's current position. He's been given the golden boy treatment by Pakistan's management, and awarded captaincy of a T20 franchise despite doing little to earn it.

He still makes the squad in all three formats despite his bowling form nosediving since the 2018 Asia Cup. If you scroll up to Post #279, I've shown you that his ODI bowling is on a par with part-timer Joe Root !

If Shadab cannot even hold up an end for 10 overs of a 50 over match, how do you expect him to control the rate and allow the seamers to be rotated in a Test match where he's expected to bowl 20-25 overs an innings minimum ?

You go on about players refusing to work to improve, remind me how many Quaid-e-Azam Trophy matches Shadab has played in his career. I've nothing against players earning a living, but if you want a sustained Test career then you wouldn't be prancing around in the BPL last winter when your premier domestic competition is ongoing.
 
He hasn't adapted his game to Test standard. There doesn't seem to be interest to make it outside the T20 circuit. Which is fine I guess
 
Its funny how posters knock down young talent of Pakistan despite knowing that Pak cricketers scarcely get any top class cricket to play as compare to players of other countries. Its not that Shadab just took his position for granted. He obviously has worked on his batting and as far as bowling is concerned bowling 8 or 9 overs in ODI is not enough to develop him as a test player bowler. His performance in world cup was as good if not better than most spinners.
 
Pakistan won't progress unless they invest their faith and resources in a potentially great allrounder like the other teams have done - Stokes, Holder, Jadeja etc. Funny thing is Pakistan is such a talented country that they actually have 2 potential ATG allrounders in Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf and still refuse to play them.
 
He can't even go with 2 overs without bowling a loose ball. Imagine what would happen to him in 20 overs with a field up.
 
This guy needs 3 or 4 seasons of solid 4-day cricket, where he is bowling 30 to 40 overs per match, batting for long periods and out in the field for 200 overs in a match, and then let's see where he's at and what he's made of.
 
Don't mind him sticking to limited overs and t20 leagues. But I think it's an issue when it appears he doesn't take FC cricket seriously and is taking the spot of more deserving players.
 
Have a feeling that in five or ten years time he will be more of a batsman who can bowl a few overs. Just like how Malik developed into a batting allrounder.

His batting is improving every year while his bowling is regressing. His batting was spectacular in the PSL on T20 basis and also in the UK he has shown a good defensive technique. I think he scored runs twice batting low in the order.
 
Garbage player. Never rated him. Also, why is everyone harping on his PSL battiing? He was dropped so many times. The standard of PSL fielding is so bad.
 
You actually saying shadab is a garbage fielder?

No, no. I'm saying that in his innings when batting, fielder's dropped a lot of catches off his batting, and then he went on make some runs. He always got 2-3 lives per innings.
 
No, no. I'm saying that in his innings when batting, fielder's dropped a lot of catches off his batting, and then he went on make some runs. He always got 2-3 lives per innings.

Ben Stokes gets dropped at least twice in every meaningful innings he ever plays
 
I’ll be surprised if Shadab makes it big in Test cricket. Temperamentally, he won’t be a 40 average batsman, while he is not focusing enough for his bowling, which was his best chance. There are three types he could have tried to be
1. Richie Benaud type - that’s average of 23 with bat and max 29 with ball and several 5/10fors - that’s the ultimate Test spin all-rounder; arguably almost as good as Shakib

2. Tony Greig type: Average of 40/35

3. Anil Kumble type: average of 18/29

Unfortunately, he is heading towards Shadab Khan type - that’s 23/38.

For his own good PCB should drop him for Test squad for couple of years make him bowl over 1000+ overs in every domestic season including FC, List A & T20s - it might happen.
 
I’ll be surprised if Shadab makes it big in Test cricket. Temperamentally, he won’t be a 40 average batsman, while he is not focusing enough for his bowling, which was his best chance. There are three types he could have tried to be
1. Richie Benaud type - that’s average of 23 with bat and max 29 with ball and several 5/10fors - that’s the ultimate Test spin all-rounder; arguably almost as good as Shakib

2. Tony Greig type: Average of 40/35

3. Anil Kumble type: average of 18/29

Unfortunately, he is heading towards Shadab Khan type - that’s 23/38.

For his own good PCB should drop him for Test squad for couple of years make him bowl over 1000+ overs in every domestic season including FC, List A & T20s - it might happen.

Since when did Tony Grieg become a spinner? Why would be compare Shadab to him? Nor is Anil Kumble comparable.
 
I’ll be surprised if Shadab makes it big in Test cricket. Temperamentally, he won’t be a 40 average batsman, while he is not focusing enough for his bowling, which was his best chance. There are three types he could have tried to be
1. Richie Benaud type - that’s average of 23 with bat and max 29 with ball and several 5/10fors - that’s the ultimate Test spin all-rounder; arguably almost as good as Shakib

2. Tony Greig type: Average of 40/35

3. Anil Kumble type: average of 18/29

Unfortunately, he is heading towards Shadab Khan type - that’s 23/38.

For his own good PCB should drop him for Test squad for couple of years make him bowl over 1000+ overs in every domestic season including FC, List A & T20s - it might happen.

Think the closest comparison should be Moeen Ali
 
Since when did Tony Grieg become a spinner? Why would be compare Shadab to him? Nor is Anil Kumble comparable.

He was a spinner way before you were born. Anil Kumble is indeed not comparable - one is a Test bowler for two decades with 600+ Test wickets, another one might not bowl 600 overs in Test cricket; I just used it as a type - still not that fool.

Seems like you don’t have much problems with other two names I had used here - Richi Benaud & Shakib Al Hasan .... I guess these two are comparable then.
 
Think the closest comparison should be Moeen Ali

Tough - Moeen has 5 Test hundreds and 5 5fors (1 10for). Don’t think Shadab has the batting temperament to match that; but he can be a decent Leggi. Also, Moeen is taking three wickets/Test at a SR of around 60 - that’s very good for a finger spinner, particularly based in UK.

The closest comparison as of now is probably Upul Chandana; even then Chanda has a Test 10for.
 
I’m surprised that Mushtaq Ahmed is not making a difference.

Mushie bowled with a high arm and bowled better googlies than leggies.

Shane Warne and Yasir Shah are the opposite, but Shadab has a similar high arm action to Mushie.

I was expecting Mushie to improve Shadab more than Yasir.
 
I’m surprised that Mushtaq Ahmed is not making a difference.

Mushie bowled with a high arm and bowled better googlies than leggies.

Shane Warne and Yasir Shah are the opposite, but Shadab has a similar high arm action to Mushie.

I was expecting Mushie to improve Shadab more than Yasir.

May be Shadab has too many distractions off the field? It all depends on how serious is Shadab about his cricketing career.
 
Forget LOIs, he is now playing in a Test - lets see what this does to his career and to Pakistan!
 
Forget LOIs, he is now playing in a Test - lets see what this does to his career and to Pakistan!

It would be typical of PCB and it's think tank to drop Shadab from all forms of cricket when he fails in Test cricket. Has happened to so many players over the years. It's almost like they think a player can't be either a Test specialist or a LOI specialist...
 
Surely he shouldve bowled a couple of overs before the end of the day

I hope hes given a proper chance to bowl otherwise why play him and not a proper batsman instead?

Lets see how things pan out
 
Surely he shouldve bowled a couple of overs before the end of the day

I hope hes given a proper chance to bowl otherwise why play him and not a proper batsman instead?

Lets see how things pan out

I rate his batting and expect he will outscore fawad azhar and fakhar as well as fawad , so happy he got picked.
Azhar should have shown some confidence in him.
If we are going to have a guy going at 5 an over it may as well be him rather than Yasir!!
His googly is miles better too
 
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