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I think he's a very talented bowler.

Wrist spin isn't easy. Warney debuted at 22/23 & wasn't quite ready.

If Shadab is now 23 -25 then he's worth developing still as a bowler. He's just begun to master his trade. I think he needs some more FC cricket- domestic, A Tours home & away where he can play as lead spinner to develop.

He's figured out how to be good in T20 (maybe ODI too). I still think he can be a key part of your Test team too. Good wrist spin gets wickets all around the world.
 
I was a critic of him last year as he wasn't doing what his primary job, taking wickets and being economical. He has changed that & turned it around so fair play to him.

Saqlain must have helped him so Saqi needs to be kept on even if he doesn't land the head coach role.

He was getting in form before saqlain came in it was just before the World Cup.
 
I think he's a very talented bowler.

Wrist spin isn't easy. Warney debuted at 22/23 & wasn't quite ready.

If Shadab is now 23 -25 then he's worth developing still as a bowler. He's just begun to master his trade. I think he needs some more FC cricket- domestic, A Tours home & away where he can play as lead spinner to develop.

He's figured out how to be good in T20 (maybe ODI too). I still think he can be a key part of your Test team too. Good wrist spin gets wickets all around the world.

I agree; he should play Test cricket too after playing some FC games. He may prove to be an excellent all-rounder. I'm hopeful. However, I fear that he will decide to give up his bowling in the future because I feel that he thinks of himself as a batsman first.
 
I agree; he should play Test cricket too after playing some FC games. He may prove to be an excellent all-rounder. I'm hopeful. However, I fear that he will decide to give up his bowling in the future because I feel that he thinks of himself as a batsman first.

Sounds like Boom Boom who realised too late he should have been a 50/50 or even bowling allrounder.
 
Today afridi bowler bad, but his lengths were good. He didnt miss the length.

Shadab is in his 4th year of international cricket or maybe 5th, yet he cant bowl at the right line or length. He gets good spin and could be as dangerous as rashid khan. But his first over would be short and when ever he is bowling he only gets 1 or 2 balls at the right line and length.

Its mostly too short, too ful or just missing the line.

His wickets aswell are lucky except fir the sarfraz ahmed one which was bowled at the right lime amd length
 
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On a personal level, he isn't having a bad tournament is he
 
He is bowling a lot better now. Even his batting has improved. He is shaping up to be a proper all rounder.
 
Shadab khan doing brilliant with the ball in PSL 2022 , Leading wicket taker so far with 14 wickets.
 
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Shadab Khan last 3 PSL matches:

4-15-4 (16 dot balls)
4-20-4 (12 dot balls)
4-28-5 (10 dot balls)
 
Shadab Khan last 3 PSL matches:

4-15-4 (16 dot balls)
4-20-4 (12 dot balls)
4-28-5 (10 dot balls)

Amazing and getting better with every game

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The boy has finally grown up and is acting like a man he was destined to be

Got distracted in the last few years but ever since that Rishabh pant wicket in match against India which broke all chances of india having a good score- his confidence has been very high
 
:)) flukes his way to the highest wicket taker list. Man oh man.

Anyways i still support him so good job. I really he becomes the highest wicket taker and run scorer of this psl
 
The boy has finally grown up and is acting like a man he was destined to be

Got distracted in the last few years but ever since that Rishabh pant wicket in match against India which broke all chances of india having a good score- his confidence has been very high

Lol nothing has changed. The guy still misses his length... Half of those wickets were flukes..

If this guy was consisstent with his line qnd length, he would had been something else......
 
Lol nothing has changed. The guy still misses his length... Half of those wickets were flukes..

If this guy was consisstent with his line qnd length, he would had been something else......

No, he’s landing his balls a lot better and there is zip. Fielding was always top notch.

Batting has improved a lot.

Keep in mind, leg spinners depend on confidence… whenever his confidence is high, he will be a different player

Look at our other leg spinner - Usman Qadri - he’s struggling
 
No, he’s landing his balls a lot better and there is zip. Fielding was always top notch.

Batting has improved a lot.

Keep in mind, leg spinners depend on confidence… whenever his confidence is high, he will be a different player

Look at our other leg spinner - Usman Qadri - he’s struggling

sorry but he isnt. Everyone is blinded by his wickets. Shadab hasnt been able to bowl at the right line or length.....

He bowls it too short or too full. Thats the story of his career.

Only thing that is working for him is his speed variation.. The guy is talented enough that the balls which he does land on the right line and length he can trouble the batsmen.

But every over he bowls 2 crap balls and 2 good ones. He will pick wicket here, but at international level he will still get smacked.
 
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I am not.

I am a big fan of Shadab Khan and when ever he comes on to bat and bowl I particularly tune in to watch him.

I have seen all the matches he played or ISB played, and trust me, his bowling is still crap.

This is the difference between qualitative and quantitative... Based on the quantity he seems like an unstoppable bowler.

But based on what you actually see is a guy who can turn the ball, but even after 4 years of international cricket he cant even get his line and length right and consisstent.

His first over is always bad, after that in the next overs, he will bowl 2 bad ones and gets 2 very good deliveries.

He now relies on bowling variation speed to confuse batsmen, nothing else.

Mohammad Nawaz on the other hand is a much more accurate spinner as while his balll doesnt turn as much, his line and length is very consistent.

Shadab doesnt trouble the batsmen, he expects them to take a risk on him and enjoys getting such wickets.

I really like the guy, but even i know his wickets are just flukes and luck coming in handy. I enjoy watching spin bowling, and over the years I have learned by watching that what are good spin deliveries and which are not.

I never forgot what Pandya did to him in the champions trophy final. That showed that if you bring a good batsmen against him, the guy cant survive....

People can assume on his stats that he has improved, but sorry to say he has not.

He has the potential as his bowls tend to spin, but if he couldn't correct his line and length uptil now, than i dont expect much from him in the future. He will play t20 cricket, but he cant survive in ODI and would not be given matches in test if he doesnt fix his bowling up.

Remember Imran Khan jr the medium pacer that had caused havoc in the domestic scenes. The guy bowled at a medium pace, but he couldn't sustain to survive when he came across better players.

Shadab is doing very good as a batsmen however and could be playing in our middle order. Nawaz loses out to him due to batting.
 
Shadab Khan last 3 PSL matches:

4-15-4 (16 dot balls)
4-20-4 (12 dot balls)
4-28-5 (10 dot balls)

Highlights of his performance today

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sorry but he isnt. Everyone is blinded by his wickets. Shadab hasnt been able to bowl at the right line or length.....

He bowls it too short or too full. Thats the story of his career.

Only thing that is working for him is his speed variation.. The guy is talented enough that the balls which he does land on the right line and length he can trouble the batsmen.

But every over he bowls 2 crap balls and 2 good ones. He will pick wicket here, but at international level he will still get smacked.
If you’re expecting him to be Shane Warner then I’m sorry

He’s the best Pakistan has as a wrist spinner and he has gotten key wickets to turn matches in pakistans favor. That’s what spinners need to do
 
If you’re expecting him to be Shane Warner then I’m sorry

He’s the best Pakistan has as a wrist spinner and he has gotten key wickets to turn matches in pakistans favor. That’s what spinners need to do

he aint the best sorry. He could be the best but it looks he wont be come one..

A spinners main weapon isnt spin, but its his line and length. Your spin means nothing if you cant bowl line and length.

He fails to perform at international level because there he gets exposed.
 
Even if Shadab is regarded as the worst spinner, the PSL has highlighted there is hardly any competition for him.
 
he aint the best sorry. He could be the best but it looks he wont be come one..

A spinners main weapon isnt spin, but its his line and length. Your spin means nothing if you cant bowl line and length.

He fails to perform at international level because there he gets exposed.
Actually a spinners main method of disguise isn’t line and length, it’s to deceive in flight.

Secondly amount of spin is very important.

Line and length without guile and spin, overspin or googly will
Lead to a trashing

And he did take Yuvraj Singh and pant wicket when it mattered
 
And please do share a list of incredible leg spinners that will be better than shadab as a total package in pakistan in Lois
 
Actually a spinners main method of disguise isn’t line and length, it’s to deceive in flight.

Secondly amount of spin is very important.

Line and length without guile and spin, overspin or googly will
Lead to a trashing

And he did take Yuvraj Singh and pant wicket when it mattered

Ur amount of spin means nothig when you cannot even land the ball at the right place. Usman qadir is the best example of this. No one in pakistan has a bigger spin than usman qadir, infact his spin is more lethal as bowled at a straighter trajectory and than when it turns it surprises everyone.

His issue again ist line and length.


It seems you wont be convinced so lets just agree to disagree here.
 
And please do share a list of incredible leg spinners that will be better than shadab as a total package in pakistan in Lois

Nawaz as a left arm offie bowls good line and length, his issue is he doesnt spin it that much. Zahid mehmood was wasted under sarfraz, he had good accuracy and could had been focused on. Plus, babar wil never prefer him over his friend usman qadir
 
Shadab has been in the form of his life in terms of bowling.

14 Wickets so far in the tournament in 5 games is a fantastic return.
 
The secret behind him deceiving Jordan with the googly was the speed with which he completed his action leaving Jordan zero time to pick it up from the hand. This is perhaps Shadabs best bowling rhythm since 2017
 
Nawaz as a left arm offie bowls good line and length, his issue is he doesnt spin it that much. Zahid mehmood was wasted under sarfraz, he had good accuracy and could had been focused on. Plus, babar wil never prefer him over his friend usman qadir
Let’s try to answer the question asked which is about please list another leg spinner in pakistan better than shadab.

We aren’t talking about SLA, we are talking about wrist spinners that get overspin, topspin as well as googly.

Thank you.
 
Ur amount of spin means nothig when you cannot even land the ball at the right place. Usman qadir is the best example of this. No one in pakistan has a bigger spin than usman qadir, infact his spin is more lethal as bowled at a straighter trajectory and than when it turns it surprises everyone.

His issue again ist line and length.


It seems you wont be convinced so lets just agree to disagree here.

I think you answered your own question.
 
Nawaz as a left arm offie bowls good line and length, his issue is he doesnt spin it that much. Zahid mehmood was wasted under sarfraz, he had good accuracy and could had been focused on. Plus, babar wil never prefer him over his friend usman qadir

With respect, how I respond to your post varies according to which format we are discussing.

Let's start with 20 and 50 over cricket.
Imran Tahir is a fine example - as is Adam Zampa - of how a leg-spinner can thrive in white ball cricket even if he lacks the control over line and length to be conomicial in Test cricket.

That sounds counter-intuitive, but white ball cricket involves an aggressive shot every ball, whereas red ball cricket is all about a sound defence and ability to score off the occasional bad ball. Shane Warne was not as good at spinning the ball as Stuart MacGill, but he kept him out of the Test side because every ball was delivered accurately by Warne, but not MacGill.

I think in white ball cricket that there is little difference between Zahid Mehmood, Usman Qadir and Shadab Khan as bowlers, but Shadab is the best choice because he is also an electric fielder and excellent batsman. Nawaz is a good batsman too, but he can't field like Shadab and he is an accurate left-arm roller like Jadeja who is not going to fool anybody with variations.

Red ball cricket is different. And my views on this are not mainstream views in Asia.

The way I see it, in Asia you always need a specialist spin bowler in every Test. And he needs to be better than Shadab Khan or Ravendra Jadeja or Moeen Ali.

In SENA, a spinner is only ever decisive in the fourth innings, and not very often. You need someone who can bowl some spin in case you find yourself defending 250 on Day 5 on a wearing pitch, but a part-timer like Jadeja or Moeen Ali is good enough.

So in SENA, for at least 3 innings of every Test your spinner is valuable mainly as a batsman or as a fielder.

If you look at the history of Pakistan legspin bowlers in Tests, this is what you see:

Danish Kaneria: 261 wickets at 34.79, 360 runs at 7.05
Abdul Qadir: 236 wickets at 32.80, 1029 runs at 15.59
Yasir Shah: 235 wickets at 31.80, 847 runs at 13.66
Mushtaq Ahmed: 185 wickets at 32.97, 656 runs at 11.71
Intikhab Alam: 125 wickets at 35.95, 1493 runs at 22.98
Shahid Afridi: 48 wickets in 27 Tests at 35.60, 1716 runs at 36.51
Shadab Khan: 14 wickets in 6 Tests at 36.64, 300 runs at 33.33

My point is this. The difference between a Test bowling average of 32 and 36 is significant if bowling is all that you do.

But in SENA, if I have a choice between the following two spin bowlers:

Shadab Khan: bowling average 36.64, scores 50 runs per test at an average of 33.33.
Specialist Bowler B: bowling average 32, scores 15 runs per Test at an average of 10.

.......I am going to take Shadab every time in SENA.

Go back and look at the records of Danish Kaneria and Shahid Afridi. It's a complete disaster that Kaneria played so many Tests just because in one Test v Bangladesh he took 12-94. Remove that one outlier Test and Kaneria averaged 36.10 in 61 Tests, which is actually worse than Afridi's average of 35.60.

In short, Pakistan picked a specialist and gained virtually nothing with the ball, but got a guy who scored 6 runs per Test instead of the guy who scored 64 runs per Test.

That's the value of Shadab Khan. He can't be Abdul Qadir. But he can be Shahid Afridi - and in SENA that is ideal, and in Asia it makes him a decent support spinner for Sajid Khan.
 
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Let’s try to answer the question asked which is about please list another leg spinner in pakistan better than shadab.

We aren’t talking about SLA, we are talking about wrist spinners that get overspin, topspin as well as googly.

Thank you.
Does not matter... It is not compulsory that a leg spinner be played.

The spinners spot could go to any spinner. Nawaz is the most accurate and zahid mehmood too
 
With respect, how I respond to your post varies according to which format we are discussing.

Let's start with 20 and 50 over cricket.
Imran Tahir is a fine example - as is Adam Zampa - of how a leg-spinner can thrive in white ball cricket even if he lacks the control over line and length to be conomicial in Test cricket.

That sounds counter-intuitive, but white ball cricket involves an aggressive shot every ball, whereas red ball cricket is all about a sound defence and ability to score off the occasional bad ball. Shane Warne was not as good at spinning the ball as Stuart MacGill, but he kept him out of the Test side because every ball was delivered accurately by Warne, but not MacGill.

I think in white ball cricket that there is little difference between Zahid Mehmood, Usman Qadir and Shadab Khan as bowlers, but Shadab is the best choice because he is also an electric fielder and excellent batsman. Nawaz is a good batsman too, but he can't field like Shadab and he is an accurate left-arm roller like Jadeja who is not going to fool anybody with variations.

Red ball cricket is different. And my views on this are not mainstream views in Asia.

The way I see it, in Asia you always need a specialist spin bowler in every Test. And he needs to be better than Shadab Khan or Ravendra Jadeja or Moeen Ali.

In SENA, a spinner is only ever decisive in the fourth innings, and not very often. You need someone who can bowl some spin in case you find yourself defending 250 on Day 5 on a wearing pitch, but a part-timer like Jadeja or Moeen Ali is good enough.

So in SENA, for at least 3 innings of every Test your spinner is valuable mainly as a batsman or as a fielder.

If you look at the history of Pakistan legspin bowlers in Tests, this is what you see:

Danish Kaneria: 261 wickets at 34.79, 360 runs at 7.05
Abdul Qadir: 236 wickets at 32.80, 1029 runs at 15.59
Yasir Shah: 235 wickets at 31.80, 847 runs at 13.66
Mushtaq Ahmed: 185 wickets at 32.97, 656 runs at 11.71
Intikhab Alam: 125 wickets at 35.95, 1493 runs at 22.98
Shahid Afridi: 48 wickets in 27 Tests at 35.60, 1716 runs at 36.51
Shadab Khan: 14 wickets in 6 Tests at 36.64, 300 runs at 33.33

My point is this. The difference between a Test bowling average of 32 and 36 is significant if bowling is all that you do.

But in SENA, if I have a choice between the following two spin bowlers:

Shadab Khan: bowling average 36.64, scores 50 runs per test at an average of 33.33.
Specialist Bowler B: bowling average 32, scores 15 runs per Test at an average of 10.

.......I am going to take Shadab every time in SENA.

Go back and look at the records of Danish Kaneria and Shahid Afridi. It's a complete disaster that Kaneria played so many Tests just because in one Test v Bangladesh he took 12-94. Remove that one outlier Test and Kaneria averaged 36.10 in 61 Tests, which is actually worse than Afridi's average of 35.60.

In short, Pakistan picked a specialist and gained virtually nothing with the ball, but got a guy who scored 6 runs per Test instead of the guy who scored 64 runs per Test.

That's the value of Shadab Khan. He can't be Abdul Qadir. But he can be Shahid Afridi - and in SENA that is ideal, and in Asia it makes him a decent support spinner for Sajid Khan.

I think the premise of you your post is correct and for the reasons above I too would pick Shadab in every test match puayed in SENA.

However, where I disagree is that Shadab is still very very young for a leg spinner and is some way away from reaching his peak. On this basis, and because he's a gun fielder and more then handy with the bat, I would pick him as the second or third spinner in sub continent conditions. So basically I would pick him in every test match played by Pakistan unless its an absolute green samba of a wicket. But even then I would assess how his batting is coming along and if he really improves on this front then I would bat him at 6 even on a green wicket.

Sometimes a player comes along and you can just see the talent he has and you have to make a decision to back him in a ll conditions. I think Shadab is one of those players.
 
With respect, how I respond to your post varies according to which format we are discussing.

Let's start with 20 and 50 over cricket.
Imran Tahir is a fine example - as is Adam Zampa - of how a leg-spinner can thrive in white ball cricket even if he lacks the control over line and length to be conomicial in Test cricket.

That sounds counter-intuitive, but white ball cricket involves an aggressive shot every ball, whereas red ball cricket is all about a sound defence and ability to score off the occasional bad ball. Shane Warne was not as good at spinning the ball as Stuart MacGill, but he kept him out of the Test side because every ball was delivered accurately by Warne, but not MacGill.

I think in white ball cricket that there is little difference between Zahid Mehmood, Usman Qadir and Shadab Khan as bowlers, but Shadab is the best choice because he is also an electric fielder and excellent batsman. Nawaz is a good batsman too, but he can't field like Shadab and he is an accurate left-arm roller like Jadeja who is not going to fool anybody with variations.

Red ball cricket is different. And my views on this are not mainstream views in Asia.

The way I see it, in Asia you always need a specialist spin bowler in every Test. And he needs to be better than Shadab Khan or Ravendra Jadeja or Moeen Ali.

In SENA, a spinner is only ever decisive in the fourth innings, and not very often. You need someone who can bowl some spin in case you find yourself defending 250 on Day 5 on a wearing pitch, but a part-timer like Jadeja or Moeen Ali is good enough.

So in SENA, for at least 3 innings of every Test your spinner is valuable mainly as a batsman or as a fielder.

If you look at the history of Pakistan legspin bowlers in Tests, this is what you see:

Danish Kaneria: 261 wickets at 34.79, 360 runs at 7.05
Abdul Qadir: 236 wickets at 32.80, 1029 runs at 15.59
Yasir Shah: 235 wickets at 31.80, 847 runs at 13.66
Mushtaq Ahmed: 185 wickets at 32.97, 656 runs at 11.71
Intikhab Alam: 125 wickets at 35.95, 1493 runs at 22.98
Shahid Afridi: 48 wickets in 27 Tests at 35.60, 1716 runs at 36.51
Shadab Khan: 14 wickets in 6 Tests at 36.64, 300 runs at 33.33

My point is this. The difference between a Test bowling average of 32 and 36 is significant if bowling is all that you do.

But in SENA, if I have a choice between the following two spin bowlers:

Shadab Khan: bowling average 36.64, scores 50 runs per test at an average of 33.33.
Specialist Bowler B: bowling average 32, scores 15 runs per Test at an average of 10.

.......I am going to take Shadab every time in SENA.

Go back and look at the records of Danish Kaneria and Shahid Afridi. It's a complete disaster that Kaneria played so many Tests just because in one Test v Bangladesh he took 12-94. Remove that one outlier Test and Kaneria averaged 36.10 in 61 Tests, which is actually worse than Afridi's average of 35.60.

In short, Pakistan picked a specialist and gained virtually nothing with the ball, but got a guy who scored 6 runs per Test instead of the guy who scored 64 runs per Test.

That's the value of Shadab Khan. He can't be Abdul Qadir. But he can be Shahid Afridi - and in SENA that is ideal, and in Asia it makes him a decent support spinner for Sajid Khan.

You are being heavily bias for Shadab.

The guy has played his fair share of international.

If you want to talk about odis, When you are facing a good opponent, you are never going to survive with the kind of bowling that Shadab has. You guys are down playing line and length as it isnt important. A spinners first weapon is his accuracy than its his spin. Usman Qadir is an example of this who has very good spin but terrible accuracy.

Shadab has played 5 odis against India, he avgs 58 against them with only 4 wickets. Remember what Pandya did with him? His odi stats against England, Bangladesh, South Africa and West Indies are terrible.

He only performs against the likes of Zimbabwe and Sril Lanka.

Why are his stats terrible? Because he cannot bowl at a proper line and length. And he has played 50 odi games now.

In t20 he survives because his dipply dopply bowling allows him to survive. But even agianst England and South Africa his economy is at 9+

And when it comes to test, in SENA he aint gonna survive. Like if have said many times, a spinners weapon is line and length and than spin.

In Sena when the balll aint gonna spin, you have to rely on your line and length to get the wicket. Shane Warne was class apart than the rest because Shane Warne was able to put 6 out of 6 balls at the exact spot where he wanted. When it aint spinning in SENA than you will need accuracy to survive.

Nawaz has this capability, Shadab doesnt.

I was a big critic of Shahid Afridi, but even I would say that he was one of the most accurate legal bowlers we had along with Abdur Rehman. Afridi survive in international cricket due to his accuracy. When we were about to lose games, we won them becauase this guy never changed his lengths or lines and allowed the players to make mistakes against him.
 
I think the premise of you your post is correct and for the reasons above I too would pick Shadab in every test match puayed in SENA.

However, where I disagree is that Shadab is still very very young for a leg spinner and is some way away from reaching his peak. On this basis, and because he's a gun fielder and more then handy with the bat, I would pick him as the second or third spinner in sub continent conditions. So basically I would pick him in every test match played by Pakistan unless its an absolute green samba of a wicket. But even then I would assess how his batting is coming along and if he really improves on this front then I would bat him at 6 even on a green wicket.

Sometimes a player comes along and you can just see the talent he has and you have to make a decision to back him in a ll conditions. I think Shadab is one of those players.

it isnt about talent, Shadab is a flashy player with a similar personality which we confuse it with Talent...

The reason he gets chosen above Nawaz is because of his personality, nothing else.
Pakistan might go with SHadab for 1-2 more years when they finally realize that the guy aint gonna improve...
 
He needs to bowl more in the Quaid e Azam trophy before being considered for test cricket.
 
it isnt about talent, Shadab is a flashy player with a similar personality which we confuse it with Talent...

The reason he gets chosen above Nawaz is because of his personality, nothing else.
Pakistan might go with SHadab for 1-2 more years when they finally realize that the guy aint gonna improve...

I think you you're talking about a different player.

This is Shadab Khan who has been exceptional of late in T20's, he was arguably our best bowler in the recently concluded world cup and took for wickets for nothing in the final.

He's a gun fielder at cover point and an extremely safe pair of hands. Catches win matches in all formats and his fielding, in the shorter formats, is extremely useful.

What I've mentioned above is a fact, nothing flashy...

In tests, he has only played 6 games and if you apply some cricketing logic you'll know that a leg spinner gets better with age so there is plenty of time for him to improve in test match cricket too.
He is nowhere near the finished article which tells you he has an extremely high ceiling.

Surely this is not the player you're talking about? Maybe set up a different thread to discuss the player you have in mind.
 
I think you you're talking about a different player.

This is Shadab Khan who has been exceptional of late in T20's, he was arguably our best bowler in the recently concluded world cup and took for wickets for nothing in the final.

He's a gun fielder at cover point and an extremely safe pair of hands. Catches win matches in all formats and his fielding, in the shorter formats, is extremely useful.

What I've mentioned above is a fact, nothing flashy...

In tests, he has only played 6 games and if you apply some cricketing logic you'll know that a leg spinner gets better with age so there is plenty of time for him to improve in test match cricket too.
He is nowhere near the finished article which tells you he has an extremely high ceiling.

Surely this is not the player you're talking about? Maybe set up a different thread to discuss the player you have in mind.

Just because hes a flashy player doenst make him international standard one...

Before telling me to apply cricketing logic, why not look at Shadab Khan's bowling from a qualitative pov. Statistics in his case are flawed once you see what he does in reality.

His fielding means nothing when he cant do his primary job. If fielding was the criteria, than Imran Butt would be getting the openers slot for the next 3 years.

A leg spinner gets better with age when he is actually playing cricket. He has only managed to play 11 first class games in 4 years.

Also in those 4 years, his line and length has only deteriorated.

But i understand, just because he is flashy and is kind of a cool personality, people will be blind to his 2 half of the pitch balls and 2 full toss bowling in every over.

Such bowlers dont survive in international, and his record in odis are already terrible
 
Just because hes a flashy player doenst make him international standard one...

Before telling me to apply cricketing logic, why not look at Shadab Khan's bowling from a qualitative pov. Statistics in his case are flawed once you see what he does in reality.

His fielding means nothing when he cant do his primary job. If fielding was the criteria, than Imran Butt would be getting the openers slot for the next 3 years.

A leg spinner gets better with age when he is actually playing cricket. He has only managed to play 11 first class games in 4 years.

Also in those 4 years, his line and length has only deteriorated.

But i understand, just because he is flashy and is kind of a cool personality, people will be blind to his 2 half of the pitch balls and 2 full toss bowling in every over.

Such bowlers dont survive in international, and his record in odis are already terrible

He avges 32 in odis How is that terrible? Yes he isnt no warne with the ball but as a package adds great value for money when you take into account his excellent fielding and more than useful lower order batting

Shadab is a great asset to the pakistan and hopefully will continue to get better and improve
 
Just because hes a flashy player doenst make him international standard one...

Before telling me to apply cricketing logic, why not look at Shadab Khan's bowling from a qualitative pov. Statistics in his case are flawed once you see what he does in reality.

His fielding means nothing when he cant do his primary job. If fielding was the criteria, than Imran Butt would be getting the openers slot for the next 3 years.

A leg spinner gets better with age when he is actually playing cricket. He has only managed to play 11 first class games in 4 years.

Also in those 4 years, his line and length has only deteriorated.

But i understand, just because he is flashy and is kind of a cool personality, people will be blind to his 2 half of the pitch balls and 2 full toss bowling in every over.

Such bowlers dont survive in international, and his record in odis are already terrible

Read my post again.
You are th one that called him a flashy player. You said one should not mix flashy with talent.
I don't think he is a flashy player, and even if he is he has backed it up with performances.

I'm sorry but you are just making arguments for the sake of it. Not really making much sense
 
He avges 32 in odis How is that terrible? Yes he isnt no warne with the ball but as a package adds great value for money when you take into account his excellent fielding and more than useful lower order batting

Shadab is a great asset to the pakistan and hopefully will continue to get better and improve

Bowling avg of 32 isnt good, that is you can say in todays cricket only decent.

But dig deep in that bowling. Against nations like india and others its going over 40...

His performance is only against ziimbabwe and sri lanka..

Shadabs main job is bowling. Yes he is becoming a good batsmen too, but his bowling hasnt improved. Everyone has been using the word hopefully and we are in his 4th year.
At international level you cannot be missing your line and length.
If hafeez played as a fifth bowler, he did so because of his accurate line and length with very little spin.
 
Read my post again.
You are th one that called him a flashy player. You said one should not mix flashy with talent.
I don't think he is a flashy player, and even if he is he has backed it up with performances.

I'm sorry but you are just making arguments for the sake of it. Not really making much sense

If you dont see anything wrong with his bowling accuracy and are enjoying the 14 wickets he has taken than i wont argue any further....

Based on what can be seen by his bowling, when he will be bowling at international level only than would people get that these domestic wickets mean nothing when you dont have accuracy in your bowling. You survive international cricket on accuracy
 
If you dont see anything wrong with his bowling accuracy and are enjoying the 14 wickets he has taken than i wont argue any further....

Based on what can be seen by his bowling, when he will be bowling at international level only than would people get that these domestic wickets mean nothing when you dont have accuracy in your bowling. You survive international cricket on accuracy

But then what about his performances throughout 2021?
 
So for the record,

Shadab has a better bowling average then Jadeja and Ashwin in both T20's and Odi's.
The man averages 21.79 in T20's.

Plus e'sonly payed 6 tests matches and mostly in SENA
 
So for the record,

Shadab has a better bowling average then Jadeja and Ashwin in both T20's and Odi's.
The man averages 21.79 in T20's.

Plus e'sonly payed 6 tests matches and mostly in SENA

Don't say that! Our Indian spinners are the best ever!
 
^^^
Having just checked I would like to apologise. In test matches he has not "mostly" played in SENA.
he has "only' played in West Indies, South Africa, Ireland & England.

Not a single test match in Pakistan, UAE, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or India.
 
Turning into a clutch bowler, batting is a bonus. Rare breed from Pakistan - handles pressure really well.
 
Todays match, his line and length were spot on from the first over.. He actually bowled well today
 
Shadab getting better and better in this tournament

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He has been bowling really well for some time. Even in t20 World Cup, he was pretty good.
 
He has been bowling really well for some time. Even in t20 World Cup, he was pretty good.

Yeah he's been bowling really well since then, just that in the World Cup, luck didn't seem to be on his side. But luck can only be bad for so long.
 
If Shadab continues to bowl like this then I would be seriously interested to see him as an option for test cricket.
 
It really bothers me that he is not serious about test cricket .

He has the game for it and if he gets serious about it he will be a difference for us challenging top 3 test positions or staying a mid table team .
 
Shadab's really stepped up his game over the last few months. His bowling has been top class with much more control, he has looked more confident with the bat and just seems to have a better idea on his role for whatever team he plays for.

Would love to see him potentially play some county or FC later this year just to help refine his skills furthermore. Can see him being a great asset for us in tests within the next year or two
 
It really bothers me that he is not serious about test cricket .

He has the game for it and if he gets serious about it he will be a difference for us challenging top 3 test positions or staying a mid table team .
Pakistan has four players with the potential to be world class Test cricketers.

Three of them already are: Babar Azam, Mohammad Rizwan and Shaheen Shah Afridi.

Shadab Khan is the other guy with the potential to be a decisive Test cricketer.

And four is enough to be a Top Three Test team: the only Aussie cricketers in that bracket are currently Labuschagne, Smith and Cummins.

England has Root and Stokes.

New Zealand has Williamson and Jameson.

India has Kohli and Bumrah.
 
It really bothers me that he is not serious about test cricket .

He has the game for it and if he gets serious about it he will be a difference for us challenging top 3 test positions or staying a mid table team .

naa, he aint ready for test. With the line and length he has got, he aint gonna trouble no one.

I think Shadab should just play 1 or 2 seasons of first class cricket. If he can make his accuracy consisstent, than he should plan to play all three formats.

If Shadab cant fix his accuracy, than screw test and first class. He can make easy money by just playing limited overs for Pakistan and t20 all over the world.

There is no point in playing first class and test if you cant fix your accuracy, better to just earn money as t20 franchise player
 
Pakistan has four players with the potential to be world class Test cricketers.

Three of them already are: Babar Azam, Mohammad Rizwan and Shaheen Shah Afridi.

Shadab Khan is the other guy with the potential to be a decisive Test cricketer.

And four is enough to be a Top Three Test team: the only Aussie cricketers in that bracket are currently Labuschagne, Smith and Cummins.

England has Root and Stokes.

New Zealand has Williamson and Jameson.

India has Kohli and Bumrah.
Yes plus he’s young and athletic plus can bat.
I think
With Hasan ali and him playing late middle and all rounder who can bat with #6, Pakistan is looking like a very balanced side.
Spots 9,10,11 can be three pacers or ideally two pacers and one spinner
Shaheen is confirmed so the other two need to be found. They will try Haris rauf which I think is a great option
 
Shadab's really stepped up his game over the last few months. His bowling has been top class with much more control, he has looked more confident with the bat and just seems to have a better idea on his role for whatever team he plays for.

Would love to see him potentially play some county or FC later this year just to help refine his skills furthermore. Can see him being a great asset for us in tests within the next year or two

This thread is basically serving a humble pie to a lot of haters…

Its not just about the bowling figures. Looks like his confidence is back

Top Level Cricket is all about the mind and how strong it is - headspace, confidence, mental fatigue all matter
 
Don't watch PSL but if Shadab is finding his confidence again that's a positive sign.

However it's nonsense to suggest he should be recalled to the Test team based on PSL form. Big difference between bowling 4 overs where batsmen are looking to attack you, and bowling 20+ overs in a Test innings where you're expected to hold an end.
 
Don't watch PSL but if Shadab is finding his confidence again that's a positive sign.

However it's nonsense to suggest he should be recalled to the Test team based on PSL form. Big difference between bowling 4 overs where batsmen are looking to attack you, and bowling 20+ overs in a Test innings where you're expected to hold an end.

To be really honest, he hasn't really found his confidence even yet.

Out of all the matches he has bowled in, the last match against quetta was his best performance.

Fans are reading to much into his number of wickets, but his bowling is still the same. 2 full tosses, 2 short of the pitch and 2 good balls. Last match however, his line and length was perfect and bowled well in a pressure match.
 
naa, he aint ready for test. With the line and length he has got, he aint gonna trouble no one.

I think Shadab should just play 1 or 2 seasons of first class cricket. If he can make his accuracy consisstent, than he should plan to play all three formats.

If Shadab cant fix his accuracy, than screw test and first class. He can make easy money by just playing limited overs for Pakistan and t20 all over the world.

There is no point in playing first class and test if you cant fix your accuracy, better to just earn money as t20 franchise player

With respect, you are still thinking of Shadab Khan as a specialist spinner.

I don’t think that’s his role.

His role is to be a Tony Greig / Moeen Ali, who can reliably average 35 with the bat from Number 7 in Tests and bowl 4 decent overs of spin per session in the first three innings of a Test and bowl more on Day 5.
 
With respect, you are still thinking of Shadab Khan as a specialist spinner.

I don’t think that’s his role.

His role is to be a Tony Greig / Moeen Ali, who can reliably average 35 with the bat from Number 7 in Tests and bowl 4 decent overs of spin per session in the first three innings of a Test and bowl more on Day 5.

Even a bowler who plays as a part timer, he doesnt play just because he can bowl a ball, part timers play because they can accurately bowl with good line and length.
If part timers did not have good line and length they would not had been used. Also part timers dont even spin the ball.

Moeen Ali bowls at a very good line and length, so did Hafeez and thats why they got overs.

Shadab as mentioned again and again has difficulty bowling with accuracy.

Day 5 cricket isn't some kind of joke. On a day 5 wicket, you need your most accurate spinner to keep bowling. On a day 5 wicket, if you have accuracy, even your part timer like Hafeez can get you a wicket. All you have to do is bowl on the patch and the ball will turn on its own and get you a wicket.

If on day 5 you are bowling 2 full tosses and 2 short of the length, you are likely to have an economy of 6 and over in test
 
Seems like he have recurring fitness issues. Should get completely fit before a test recall.

Yes, he should be part of test side in SC and home and should be that 3rd spinner. The tactics of bowling in test matches is completely different to bowling in T20 cricket. In T20s, he have to bowl with more speed and flatter trajectory because he knows the the batters will try to attack him and that is why it disturbs his line and length sometimes. We can only know his test bowling form after we see him playing in a test or FC match, but looking at his from and maturity as a player, he should be part of the test team as soon as he gets rid of his injuries.
 
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