[VIDEOS] India-Bangladesh ties in danger? Thousands protest in Bangladesh against PM Narendra Modi's visit

[Poutine]

New Delhi (Sputnik): The large-scale violence in India’s national capital Delhi that left 51 people dead and over 400 injured in Hindu-Muslim clashes has evoked a sharp response from the international community. Iran, along with Pakistan, Turkey, and Indonesia even issued statements on the Delhi riots.

Thousands of people have hit the streets across Bangladesh to protest against Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to the country on 17 March.

The huge numbers of Bangladeshi nationals are lodging a strong protest against Modi over communal clashes in Delhi that left 51 people dead and against the controversial Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA).

The mass gathering started off from the Baitul Mukarram National Mosque in Dhaka and blocked several roads in the capital city, leading to hours of traffic jams on the roads.


The protesters threw stones at posters of Modi and burned his portraits with many of them shouting slogans and carrying banners reading: “Stop killing Muslims in Delhi and Kashmir” and “Save Indian Muslims”.

The protesters demanded Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina to cancel the visit by Modi to commemorate the birthday of independence leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahman.


https://sputniknews.com/world/20200...ncel-indian-pm-modis-upcoming-visit---videos/

 

[troodon]

Protests started off from a mosque. Hopefully it’s only some religious loonies.

 

[Poutine]

Protests started off from a mosque. Hopefully it’s only some religious loonies.

You have to be a religious “looney” to care about Muslims being killed in India?

 

[troodon]

You have to be a religious “looney” to care about Muslims being killed in India?

From what I read, many Hindus also died. Violence came from both sides.

India and Bangladesh are friendly neighbors. Hope it stays that way and not get carried away with incidents hsppening in India.

 

[Poutine]

From what I read, many Hindus also died. Violence came from both sides.

India and Bangladesh are friendly neighbors. Hope it stays that way and not get carried away with incidents hsppening in India.

I think the issue is that it seems like the police and government were patronizing one side. Aren’t there videos of police beating up Muslims and forcing them to sing the national them? I believe one of the people being beaten actually died. There are reportedly also videos where the police are standing around while mobs destroy Muslim owned shops.

Hopefully Bangladesh does the right thing and doesn’t stay quiet just cause India is a friendly country. I don’t think there is any hope of the BD government standing up for what’s right but it seems like the common people are speaking Up.

 

[moghul]

From what I read, many Hindus also died. Violence came from both sides.

India and Bangladesh are friendly neighbors. Hope it stays that way and not get carried away with incidents hsppening in India.

3 Hindus and 50 Muslims were killed, so its was violence from both sides ? Hindus got help from the police also.

 

[moghul]

If Modi comes to US next time, there will be a big protest also.

 

[sweep_shot]

Not surprised by the protest. Delhi incident was all over social media. People are probably upset.

I personally dislike BJP and hence I don't mind the protest (as long as it doesn't result in anarchy).

 

[troodon]

I think the issue is that it seems like the police and government were patronizing one side. Aren’t there videos of police beating up Muslims and forcing them to sing the national them? I believe one of the people being beaten actually died. There are reportedly also videos where the police are standing around while mobs destroy Muslim owned shops.

Hopefully Bangladesh does the right thing and doesn’t stay quiet just cause India is a friendly country. I don’t think there is any hope of the BD government standing up for what’s right but it seems like the common people are speaking Up.

I have seen videos that say otherwise. At this point I cannot trust anyone.

To me, it was a pre-planned massacre and both parties are involved. Nobody is an angel. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I do not trust both narratives. Poor Hindus and Muslims both got killed while the political heads are eating Biryani filling up their tank bellies.

Just another gift from religion in 2020.

 

[Mesozoic]

3 Hindus and 50 Muslims were killed, so its was violence from both sides ? Hindus got help from the police also.

Source ?

 

[LongHorn]

To me, it was a pre-planned massacre and both parties are involved. Nobody is an angel. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I do not trust both narratives. .

It was a one sided massacre with police supporting one side only

 

[Mesozoic]

Bangladeshis should realise that it was their own illegal immigrants who are the root cause for all that has happened in Delhi.

I hope they take them back and our Eastern border is tightened up so that it won't repeat again.

 

[big_gamer007]

3 Hindus and 50 Muslims were killed, so its was violence from both sides ? Hindus got help from the police also.

That's a false number.

 

[big_gamer007]

Source ?

That's a false number, he's just making up things. It's disgusting to see people post to score brownie points on internet on issues such as communal riots and loss of lives.

Heartless people.

 

[big_gamer007]

I have seen videos that say otherwise. At this point I cannot trust anyone.

To me, it was a pre-planned massacre and both parties are involved. Nobody is an angel. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I do not trust both narratives. Poor Hindus and Muslims both got killed while the political heads are eating Biryani filling up their tank bellies.

Just another gift from religion in 2020.

It was a one sided massacre with police supporting one side only

It was pre planned for sure. It wasn't totally one sided, Muslims did planned attacks as well, but majority of blame should go to BJPand their ideology.

 

[Babu Bhaiya]

It was a one sided massacre with police supporting one side only

As much as i despise Modi and his idealogy, this wasn’t one sided. How many of normal people keep stones and Petrol bombs on their rooftops?

And i’d like to know from this Moghul guy, where did he get that number from? I’m from Delhi and as far as I know both sides had almost equal number of casualties.

 

[Pakpak]

Wow, you people are completely insane.

One side rioted into other side's neighborhoods.
One side had the police on their side.
One side had the ruling government day in day out with slogans.

And one side had FAR more casualities.

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/delhi-violence-full-list-names-deceased-6295089/

Count them up. I posted an Indian link incase Modi lovers refused to believe it.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Bangladeshis should realise that it was their own illegal immigrants who are the root cause for all that has happened in Delhi.

I hope they take them back and our Eastern border is tightened up so that it won't repeat again.

We have illegal aliens from India here as well, let's not go there.

 

[MP2011]

We have illegal aliens from India here as well, let's not go there.

Sanghis are most deluded creatures in this universe.

 

[Pakpak]

Wow, you people are completely insane.

One side rioted into other side's neighborhoods.
One side had the police on their side.
One side had the ruling government day in day out with slogans.

And one side had FAR more casualities.

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/delhi-violence-full-list-names-deceased-6295089/

Count them up. I posted an Indian link incase Modi lovers refused to believe it.

The list, incase Bakhts failed to count: 29 Muslims dead, 11 Hindus dead. Almost 3 times more Muslims died.

Lost all respect for big gamer and troodoon. 'Truth is somewhere down the middle' my ****. Everything was fine in Shaheen Bag for weeks til BJP stirred up its saffron terrorists.

 

[Rajdeep]

Haseena and Modi have got great relationship. It does not matter if few are protesting, PM Modi will visit with the same aura as he always does. There were protests even in UK and USA when he visited there but it didnt stop him creating history in Wembley or Madison Square Garden or in Howdy Modi.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We have illegal aliens from India here as well, let's not go there.

How many?

Send them to India.

We will not complain, as long as you take all bangladeshi illegal immigrants.

 

[big_gamer007]

Wow, you people are completely insane.

One side rioted into other side's neighborhoods.
One side had the police on their side.
One side had the ruling government day in day out with slogans.

And one side had FAR more casualities.

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/delhi-violence-full-list-names-deceased-6295089/

Count them up. I posted an Indian link incase Modi lovers refused to believe it.

The list, incase Bakhts failed to count: 29 Muslims dead, 11 Hindus dead. Almost 3 times more Muslims died.

Lost all respect for big gamer and troodoon. 'Truth is somewhere down the middle' my ****. Everything was fine in Shaheen Bag for weeks til BJP stirred up its saffron terrorists.

I live in Delhi, I don't need these articles to know the truth. 5 AM local mosque during Azaan from loudspeaker announced all Hindus to leave the area or be killed.

You mentioned yourself, 11 Hindus died (real number is more for both the sides). Yet, you failed to acknowledge Muslims who were involved in riots as guilty. For you only Muslim lives matter it seems, however, for me every life is equal, even if 1 Hindu or 1 Muslim had died I would blame people involved regardless of religion.

Neither trodoon nor I have defended BJP or their ideology, intact, both of us say that it's because of BJP and their ideology this day has come. However, you on the other hand have failed to accept humans as one. For you Muslims are the only one in this world worth caring about, this mindset is the reason for the hatred in the world be it for any side. Once you grow out of it only then you can hope the world can change.

Every rioter and riot instigator irrespective of their religion is equally to be blamed and should be hanged, they are the real traitors to this nation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It was pre planned for sure. It wasn't totally one sided, Muslims did planned attacks as well, but majority of blame should go to BJPand their ideology.

How is ideology to be blamed?

12 Hindus to 29 Muslims died. Now someone will say look, muslim casualty is more. Ofcourse it is. Delhi has 15% muslims to 85% non muslims, so ofcourse the numerically superior mob will inflict more damage.

But then pakistanis will not understand that. Not that it matters, as Indians, most of them atleast know what the truth is.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I live in Delhi, I don't need these articles to know the truth. 5 AM local mosque during Azaan from loudspeaker announced all Hindus to leave the area or be killed.

You mentioned yourself, 11 Hindus died (real number is more for both the sides). Yet, you failed to acknowledge Muslims who were involved in riots as guilty. For you only Muslim lives matter it seems, however, for me every life is equal, even if 1 Hindu or 1 Muslim had died I would blame people involved regardless of religion.

Neither trodoon nor I have defended BJP or their ideology, intact, both of us say that it's because of BJP and their ideology this day has come. However, you on the other hand have failed to accept humans as one. For you Muslims are the only one in this world worth caring about, this mindset is the reason for the hatred in the world be it for any side. Once you grow out of it only then you can hope the world can change.

Every rioter and riot instigator irrespective of their religion is equally to be blamed and should be hanged, they are the real traitors to this nation.

So riots happened in India due to Bjp only? When they are not in power, riots dont happen?

 

[big_gamer007]

How is ideology to be blamed?

12 Hindus to 29 Muslims died. Now someone will say look, muslim casualty is more. Ofcourse it is. Delhi has 15% muslims to 85% non muslims, so ofcourse the numerically superior mob will inflict more damage.

But then pakistanis will not understand that. Not that it matters, as Indians, most of them atleast know what the truth is.

Even 1 person dying because of religious hatred irrespective of religion he is from is one too many.

In an ideal world every person who instigated riots or was part of the mob should be hanged as traitors. These are the ones who are actually doing harm to our nation, these are the unemployed leeches who leech of our nation and are not letting it grow.

BJP and it's ideology has spread us Vs them hatred in minds of common public. The us Vs them mentality 10 times more than it was 15 years ago. Since the riots it's been even more in open and even your normal educated people have this hatred in their mind who support the riots by saying "ye sabak sikhana zaruri tha musalmano ko".

This kind of polarisation among common man is because of BJP and it's ideology.

The rise of BJP in itself is because of Congress and Regional parties.

In the end everything is political.

 

[big_gamer007]

So riots happened in India due to Bjp only? When they are not in power, riots dont happen?

Others mistakes doesn't give a clean chit to BJP. Fact, is for Delhi Riots they are responsible.

 

[Pakpak]

I live in Delhi, I don't need these articles to know the truth. 5 AM local mosque during Azaan from loudspeaker announced all Hindus to leave the area or be killed.

You mentioned yourself, 11 Hindus died (real number is more for both the sides). Yet, you failed to acknowledge Muslims who were involved in riots as guilty. For you only Muslim lives matter it seems, however, for me every life is equal, even if 1 Hindu or 1 Muslim had died I would blame people involved regardless of religion.

Neither trodoon nor I have defended BJP or their ideology, intact, both of us say that it's because of BJP and their ideology this day has come. However, you on the other hand have failed to accept humans as one. For you Muslims are the only one in this world worth caring about, this mindset is the reason for the hatred in the world be it for any side. Once you grow out of it only then you can hope the world can change.

Every rioter and riot instigator irrespective of their religion is equally to be blamed and should be hanged, they are the real traitors to this nation.

When you have BJP telling its goons to kill Muslims and you have their goons marching off to Muslim areas how do you suppose Muslims would defend themselves? Calling the police? Oh wait the Police are also marching along.

You live in Delhi are completely blind.

I feel sorry for you honestly I do. Good people who have become blind.

As for me I am not religious so for me all lives are the same.

 

[big_gamer007]

When you have BJP telling its goons to kill Muslims and you have their goons marching off to Muslim areas how do you suppose Muslims would defend themselves? Calling the police? Oh wait the Police are also marching along.

You live in Delhi are completely blind.

I feel sorry for you honestly I do. Good people who have become blind.

As for me I am not religious so for me all lives are the same.

Did Muslims kill the goons? The Muslim mobs targeted and killed poor Hindus in Muslim majority areas. If they were fighting the goons I would agree with you that they were "defending" themselves.

It's a joke that you think Muslims were defending themselves, no my friend when riots happen people instigate mobs and call their religion is under attack, then they prepare and launch attack killing defenceless normal/poor people.

It's not like in movies where 10000 sword wielding army from both side is facing off in an open field.

Your posts don't suggest all lives are equal to you.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

When you have BJP telling its goons to kill Muslims and you have their goons marching off to Muslim areas how do you suppose Muslims would defend themselves? Calling the police? Oh wait the Police are also marching along.

You live in Delhi are completely blind.

I feel sorry for you honestly I do. Good people who have become blind.

As for me I am not religious so for me all lives are the same.

Are you telling that every single Hindu death in the riots is due to Muslims defending themselves from attackers?

If so, you couldn't be more wrong.

Plus I think you are attacking the wrong person.

Big gamer is speaking the truth.

I think you have fallen victim to the bjp deflection of 50:50.

50:50 angle is propagated by BJP.

Posters opposing bjp have been incredibly fair by stating the impact of bjp on these riots while also mentioning riot as it happened.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

How many?

Send them to India.

We will not complain, as long as you take all bangladeshi illegal immigrants.

Do a simple Google search, also it's not for me to send, it's being looked at between both Indian and Banadesh government. Post something sensibly before clicking on the post button. Some deluded and ignorant people we have here

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Sanghis are most deluded creatures in this universe.

Man I really don't know how to have a decent conversation with some of the fanatics.

 

[Bewal Express]

Did Muslims kill the goons? The Muslim mobs targeted and killed poor Hindus in Muslim majority areas. If they were fighting the goons I would agree with you that they were "defending" themselves.

It's a joke that you think Muslims were defending themselves, no my friend when riots happen people instigate mobs and call their religion is under attack, then they prepare and launch attack killing defenceless normal/poor people.

It's not like in movies where 10000 sword wielding army from both side is facing off in an open field.

Your posts don't suggest all lives are equal to you.

Look at any dispassionate report and you see this is a Massacre by the Hindutuva and their allies in the security forces of Muslims. You even have people openly admitting killing Muslims. Stop hiding behind lies

 

[cricketjoshila]

Even 1 person dying because of religious hatred irrespective of religion he is from is one too many.

In an ideal world every person who instigated riots or was part of the mob should be hanged as traitors. These are the ones who are actually doing harm to our nation, these are the unemployed leeches who leech of our nation and are not letting it grow.

BJP and it's ideology has spread us Vs them hatred in minds of common public. The us Vs them mentality 10 times more than it was 15 years ago. Since the riots it's been even more in open and even your normal educated people have this hatred in their mind who support the riots by saying "ye sabak sikhana zaruri tha musalmano ko".

This kind of polarisation among common man is because of BJP and it's ideology.

The rise of BJP in itself is because of Congress and Regional parties.

In the end everything is political.

What is the reason of rise of bjp? What did congress and the regional party do?

 

[big_gamer007]

Look at any dispassionate report and you see this is a Massacre by the Hindutuva and their allies in the security forces of Muslims. You even have people openly admitting killing Muslims. Stop hiding behind lies

Not sure what you are trying to prove by quoting random posts without context.

Basically it seems that you and other posters want to prove that Muslims who killed Hindus were justified in killing the Hindus as they were forced by hindutva forces to defend themselves. So they defended themselves by targeting defenceless/common Hindus.

On the other hand you are against the hindutva mob who targeted and killed common defenceless Muslims.

It seems for some it's difficult to accept wrong doings as wrong doings irrespective of religion.

 

[Romali_rotti]

How many?

Send them to India.

We will not complain, as long as you take all bangladeshi illegal immigrants.

Obviously there would be a few Indians crossing the border to Bangladesh however it cannot be compared to the illegal roach infestation from Bangladesh which is occurring because Mamta Banerjee needs votes.. BJP needs to win Bengal, then it will be game over for illegal Bangladeshis.

 

[big_gamer007]

What is the reason of rise of bjp? What did congress and the regional party do?

It doesn't matter what they did. What matters is it's 2020, what do you want for yourself and your kids?

Free education, free healthcare, unadulterated food, clean environment etc etc or a religious superiority?

 

[Pakpak]

Look at any dispassionate report and you see this is a Massacre by the Hindutuva and their allies in the security forces of Muslims. You even have people openly admitting killing Muslims. Stop hiding behind lies

Its sad. Its sad giving this any sort of equivalence.

 

[big_gamer007]

Its sad. Its sad giving this any sort of equivalence.

What's sad is educated people using this as justification for violence.

Let's be clear in every post I have said and will say below:

1. Hindu rioters and political parties who istigated these riots are worse for the nation and are traitors.
2. Muslim rioters and instigators are worse for nation and are traitors.

Now can you say same thing? Or you will say Muslims faced bulk of discrimination so they had to defend themselves, for that they killed few defenceless Hindus, which is justified because if BJP didn't instigate riots Muslims wouldn't have done thia crime?

You don't have to tell me the answer, you have to just tell yourself and then introspect whether what you believe in is prejudice or not.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Look at any dispassionate report and you see this is a Massacre by the Hindutuva and their allies in the security forces of Muslims. You even have people openly admitting killing Muslims. Stop hiding behind lies

They are writing about BJP atrocities cos Police was in govt control.

The environment was created by BJP.

The riots were allowed to continue by BJP.

That doesn't mean innocent Hindus weren't killed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dilbar Negi was a Hindu from Garhwal working in a sweet shop in North Delhi. During the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AntiHinduDelhiRiots2020?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AntiHinduDelhiRiots2020</a>, a Muzlim mob led by Shah Nawaz chopped Dilbar Singh Negi’s legs so he couldn’t run n burnt him alive. This is all that remained of him. Shah Nawaz is finally arrested <a href="https://t.co/VPYRpexFkR">pic.twitter.com/VPYRpexFkR</a></p>— Shefali Vaidya. (@ShefVaidya) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShefVaidya/status/1236179989055205376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A Hindu man's dead body thrown where Hindus lived by muslim mobs with a grim message that more bodies will follow. The motor bike behind was Burnt for having a sticker of Jai Shree Ram. His injured Son checking if his Father is still breathing. <a href="https://t.co/wQKvtcbIS9">pic.twitter.com/wQKvtcbIS9</a></p>— Sundar MP (@PhoenixMP4) <a href="https://twitter.com/PhoenixMP4/status/1232749169980268544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In a horrific incident, a 19-year-old boy was attacked allegedly by a violent mob during the anti-CAA riots in Delhi.<a href="https://t.co/VVzBaEPkr4">https://t.co/VVzBaEPkr4</a></p>— Report Extremism (@ReportExtremism) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReportExtremism/status/1235485162000904192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There are a LOT more.

I just couldn't be bothered to post them all here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Others mistakes doesn't give a clean chit to BJP. Fact, is for Delhi Riots they are responsible.

There is a major riot in India almost every 10 years.

I have lived through the following.

1984 sikh riots
1985 Gujarat
1987 meerut
1989 bhagalpur
1992-93
2002
2013
2020

This has been happening in India for centuries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It doesn't matter what they did. What matters is it's 2020, what do you want for yourself and your kids?

Free education, free healthcare, unadulterated food, clean environment etc etc or a religious superiority?

If you life is not secured. Rest is immaterial.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We have illegal aliens from India here as well, let's not go there.

Why not go there? I mentioned this in the other thread about Muslim countries appeasing India, I have a Bangladeshi colleague who responded about the Indian complaints about Bangladeshi immigrants by claiming over a million Indian immigrants were in Bangladesh. What is the truth here? Is part of the deal between Indian and Bangladesh leadership an agreement to accept larger immigrant quantities from India? I only ask because this is what India was demanding from Britain, but we refused.

 

[Bewal Express]

Not sure what you are trying to prove by quoting random posts without context.

Basically it seems that you and other posters want to prove that Muslims who killed Hindus were justified in killing the Hindus as they were forced by hindutva forces to defend themselves. So they defended themselves by targeting defenceless/common Hindus.

On the other hand you are against the hindutva mob who targeted and killed common defenceless Muslims.

It seems for some it's difficult to accept wrong doings as wrong doings irrespective of religion.

The loss of all lives is terrible and the loss of innocent Hindu lives is just as bad but this is a Massacre initiated by the Hindutuva. The fact the Muslims reacted against Hindus is wrong but when you are under attack you lash out. The Hindutuva wanted this reaction to justify their Massacre. Its akin to Hitler blaming the Russians for his attack in operation barbarossa

 

[Thomaskutty]

This looks like a move organised by the opposition to embarrass the Sheikh Hasina government.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This looks like a move organised by the opposition to embarrass the Sheikh Hasina government.

What do you base that assumption on?

 

[big_gamer007]

There is a major riot in India almost every 10 years.

I have lived through the following.

1984 sikh riots
1985 Gujarat
1987 meerut
1989 bhagalpur
1992-93
2002
2013
2020

This has been happening in India for centuries.

And it will continue to happen till people continue to chose a side and not call wrong a wrong.

 

[big_gamer007]

The loss of all lives is terrible and the loss of innocent Hindu lives is just as bad but this is a Massacre initiated by the Hindutuva. The fact the Muslims reacted against Hindus is wrong but when you are under attack you lash out. The Hindutuva wanted this reaction to justify their Massacre. Its akin to Hitler blaming the Russians for his attack in operation barbarossa

Two wrongs never make a right. Only when one understands that fact then there is hope for such events to never occur.

 

[big_gamer007]

If you life is not secured. Rest is immaterial.

By not being able to control riots the government itself made sure your life isn't secure.

 

[Thomaskutty]

What do you base that assumption on?

It's based on nothing, just a feeling. I can't see a bunch of Bangladeshis caring about what happens in a neigbouring country, particularly in far off region like Delhi.. but maybe I am wrong.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's based on nothing, just a feeling. I can't see a bunch of Bangladeshis caring about what happens in a neigbouring country, particularly in far off region like Delhi.. but maybe I am wrong.

I think you care more than you are letting on, otherwise why would you come up with conspiracy theories about opposition groups organising protests against Sheikh Hasina who is very pro-Hindutva India?

 

[cricketjoshila]

By not being able to control riots the government itself made sure your life isn't secure.

The riots were stopped within 2 days. Thats good by any riot control in India. I mentioned the few major riots in India in last 35 years. Check how long each lasted.

 

[cricketjoshila]

By not being able to control riots the government itself made sure your life isn't secure.

The fault lies elsewhere.

It was the failure of the govt to evict the shaheen Bagh protestors and opposition supporting it.

If Shaheen Bagh was not allowed to take place.

There would have been no Jaffrabad and Bhajanpura.

No Delhi riots.

Thats where the govt failed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The riots were stopped within 2 days. Thats good by any riot control in India. I mentioned the few major riots in India in last 35 years. Check how long each lasted.

Strange how riots stop within 2 days when citizens are left to self rule in majority Hindu areas, yet you need nearly a million troops in the only Muslim dominant state....

 

[big_gamer007]

Are you telling that every single Hindu death in the riots is due to Muslims defending themselves from attackers?

If so, you couldn't be more wrong.

Plus I think you are attacking the wrong person.

Big gamer is speaking the truth.

I think you have fallen victim to the bjp deflection of 50:50.

50:50 angle is propagated by BJP.

Posters opposing bjp have been incredibly fair by stating the impact of bjp on these riots while also mentioning riot as it happened.

To be honest I don't blame [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] or [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] for not understanding our point of view.

They are posting because of below reasons:
1. They hate BJP.
2. Muslims lost their lives
3. To get even at certain posters who rile them up with anti-pakistan posts.
4. To score brownie points
5. They genuinely care about well being of normal Indians.

All 5 points might not be relevant to them but these are more or less the reasons why most non Indians post in these threads.

Our reason (mine, yours and few other Indians) to post in these threads is because we have a hope that this never happens again. For that to happen we need to understand a wrong is a wrong.
Until and unless one realises that violence in the name of religion is only harming you and your future generations more than anything else, we will continue to get exploited by politicians hiding their own incompetency by triggering such riots.

Killing of innocents is never ever justified for any reason. Anyone who participated in this riot should be locked up behind bars for rest of their lives likes traitors and anti nationals.

It's as simple as that.

There is no excuse whatsoever for any Muslim or Hindu to kill any innocent. Take a hypothetical situation and let's say in Pakistan the mob along with political party workers killed 1000 Hindus and in retaliation a Hindu mob killed 1 innocent Muslim, I would say everyone part of that Hindu mob need to be thrown behind bars.

Each and every citizen of our great nation need to understand killing any innocent is unlawful and is the biggest crime against our country.

If you are truly a patriot you will never ever justify killing of any innocent.

 

[Pakpak]

To be honest I don't blame [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] or [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] for not understanding our point of view.

They are posting because of below reasons:
1. They hate BJP.
2. Muslims lost their lives
3. To get even at certain posters who rile them up with anti-pakistan posts.
4. To score brownie points
5. They genuinely care about well being of normal Indians.

All 5 points might not be relevant to them but these are more or less the reasons why most non Indians post in these threads.

Our reason (mine, yours and few other Indians) to post in these threads is because we have a hope that this never happens again. For that to happen we need to understand a wrong is a wrong.
Until and unless one realises that violence in the name of religion is only harming you and your future generations more than anything else, we will continue to get exploited by politicians hiding their own incompetency by triggering such riots.

Killing of innocents is never ever justified for any reason. Anyone who participated in this riot should be locked up behind bars for rest of their lives likes traitors and anti nationals.

It's as simple as that.

There is no excuse whatsoever for any Muslim or Hindu to kill any innocent. Take a hypothetical situation and let's say in Pakistan the mob along with political party workers killed 1000 Hindus and in retaliation a Hindu mob killed 1 innocent Muslim, I would say everyone part of that Hindu mob need to be thrown behind bars.

Each and every citizen of our great nation need to understand killing any innocent is unlawful and is the biggest crime against our country.

If you are truly a patriot you will never ever justify killing of any innocent.

I am not religious so I don't have any biasness towards any religion. One of my closest friend is an Indian Hindu who despises what Modi is doing. If innocents are killed it hurts all the same. I am not sure how much you see my posts but you have seen me stand up again morons who attack minorities in Pakistan too. The point is I am incredibly angry at BJP because it has absolutely ruined and destroyed any peace chances with Pakistan under Imran Khan. Not only that but they are radicalising Hindus to the point where even the suggestion of someone being anti-BJP is labelled as Pakistani. Have you not learnt anything from our last ten years? Where when the government is careless things go out of control. Tomorrow if a Muslim terror organisation rises up in India and wreaks havoc for being brutalised and attacked by India's governing party every single day who will be to blame for that? Can Indians not see their new laws alone can lead to that? I hate BJP as I don't think I will see peace between Pakistan and India in my lifetime which makes me extremely sad and disappointed. After Modi it will be Amit Shah, a guy who makes Modi look like boy scouts.

As for where I get my information from most of it was from Indians around the web.

 

[big_gamer007]

I am not religious so I don't have any biasness towards any religion. One of my closest friend is an Indian Hindu who despises what Modi is doing. If innocents are killed it hurts all the same. I am not sure how much you see my posts but you have seen me stand up again morons who attack minorities in Pakistan too. The point is I am incredibly angry at BJP because it has absolutely ruined and destroyed any peace chances with Pakistan under Imran Khan. Not only that but they are radicalising Hindus to the point where even the suggestion of someone being anti-BJP is labelled as Pakistani. Have you not learnt anything from our last ten years? Where when the government is careless things go out of control. Tomorrow if a Muslim terror organisation rises up in India and wreaks havoc for being brutalised and attacked by India's governing party every single day who will be to blame for that? Can Indians not see their new laws alone can lead to that? I hate BJP as I don't think I will see peace between Pakistan and India in my lifetime which makes me extremely sad and disappointed. After Modi it will be Amit Shah, a guy who makes Modi look like boy scouts.

As for where I get my information from most of it was from Indians around the web.

But that wasn't our point. None of us are defending BJP. In fact, we all said they are directly or indirectly responsible for what happened.

If a Muslim group rises and kills even 1 innocent then I will blame them like I blame BJP or anyone who participated in these riots.

On one hand you say you want peace, then on the other you try and justify a Muslim group rising and killing innocents because they were being brutalised by someone else?

That's what politicians do to polarise people. Why do you think Modi/Shah are in power? They have been saying same thing about Pakistan, that they have been targeting us and now we need to take revenge. Same way they say for Muslims to polarise Hindus.

You hate it yourself, yet you are justifying rise of terrorists?

The only way there can be peace in this world is if you consider a wrong a wrong. If you have even 1 excuse to justify a wrong then others will find 10 more excuses to justify their wrongs.

I sincerely hope one day you realise this, since I know your intentions are good and the world need more people who want peace.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Why not go there? I mentioned this in the other thread about Muslim countries appeasing India, I have a Bangladeshi colleague who responded about the Indian complaints about Bangladeshi immigrants by claiming over a million Indian immigrants were in Bangladesh. What is the truth here? Is part of the deal between Indian and Bangladesh leadership an agreement to accept larger immigrant quantities from India? I only ask because this is what India was demanding from Britain, but we refused.

I really don't want to steep a lower level as some posters. I respect some of the Indian posters here but I guess some are just internet warriors, instead of wasting my energy on debating with ignorant people it's better to let it pass.

Indias here wants to blame everything on Bangladesh, but the blame actually comes from the lower class Indians, I have friends from India whom I studied together in Stony Brook. There is a difference in class, so better to maintain a status brother Cpt. Rishwat

If a rickshawala argues with my driver I am not going to get involved

 

[Pakpak]

But that wasn't our point. None of us are defending BJP. In fact, we all said they are directly or indirectly responsible for what happened.

If a Muslim group rises and kills even 1 innocent then I will blame them like I blame BJP or anyone who participated in these riots.

On one hand you say you want peace, then on the other you try and justify a Muslim group rising and killing innocents because they were being brutalised by someone else?

That's what politicians do to polarise people. Why do you think Modi/Shah are in power? They have been saying same thing about Pakistan, that they have been targeting us and now we need to take revenge. Same way they say for Muslims to polarise Hindus.

You hate it yourself, yet you are justifying rise of terrorists?

The only way there can be peace in this world is if you consider a wrong a wrong. If you have even 1 excuse to justify a wrong then others will find 10 more excuses to justify their wrongs.

I sincerely hope one day you realise this, since I know your intentions are good and the world need more people who want peace.

Where did I say I am justifying rise of terrorists?

But this is how terrorism starts. Tomorrow if Pakistan starts killing Hindus en masse in Pakistan would I really be surprised if we have a Taliban version of Hindus? No I wouldn't. Is BJP really stupid? This how ISIS radicalises Muslims. BJP is giving them all the ingredients.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I really don't want to steep a lower level as some posters. I respect some of the Indian posters here but I guess some are just internet warriors, instead of wasting my energy on debating with ignorant people it's better to let it pass.

Indias here wants to blame everything on Bangladesh, but the blame actually comes from the lower class Indians, I have friends from India whom I studied together in Stony Brook. There is a difference in class, so better to maintain a status brother Cpt. Rishwat

If a rickshawala argues with my driver I am not going to get involved

Good point. I am humbled by your wisdom.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I think you care more than you are letting onotherwise why would you come up with conspiracy theories about opposition groups organising protests against Sheikh Hasina who is very pro-Hindutva India?

Why do you feel I am being disingenuous? I am complimenting the Bangladeshis here by saying that they don't go on a religious brotherhood brouhaha that umm.. some countries are well known for. They might care but to the extent of creating rallies and street protests?

Also, why do you call Sheikh Hasina pro-hindutva when she's made no such indication? She's pro-India sure .. why wouldn't she be .. India saved her country from a Pak created genocide in the early 70s .. so we know where her sympathies would lie.
Unless you think, these days being pro-India also means you are pro-hindutva .. interesting

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why do you feel I am being disingenuous? I am complimenting the Bangladeshis here by saying that they don't go on a religious brotherhood brouhaha that umm.. some countries are well known for. They might care but to the extent of creating rallies and street protests?

Also, why do you call Sheikh Hasina pro-hindutva when she's made no such indication? She's pro-India sure .. why wouldn't she be .. India saved her country from a Pak created genocide in the early 70s .. so we know where her sympathies would lie.
Unless you think, these days being pro-India also means you are pro-hindutva .. interesting

Who is in power now in India? Is it Congress or....?

 

[Bewal Express]

Two wrongs never make a right. Only when one understands that fact then there is hope for such events to never occur.

I agree, but if someone comes to your house and wants to kill you, after threatening to kill you for Months, you will react violently. Indian Muslims are tame and hence the threats and attacks. If it was us, or pathans this would have not ended well for Ind.

 

[Bewal Express]

Where did I say I am justifying rise of terrorists?

But this is how terrorism starts. Tomorrow if Pakistan starts killing Hindus en masse in Pakistan would I really be surprised if we have a Taliban version of Hindus? No I wouldn't. Is BJP really stupid? This how ISIS radicalises Muslims. BJP is giving them all the ingredients.

I would expect the Muslims of PK to protect the Hindus of PK and I would expect our army to do the same . If they didn't, I would call that a war crime

 

[Bigboii]

Bangladeshis should realise that it was their own illegal immigrants who are the root cause for all that has happened in Delhi.

I hope they take them back and our Eastern border is tightened up so that it won't repeat again.

No it's because Indian has become xenophobic that's the only issue I see tons of countries have illegal migrants, refugees they don't go around killing tham on mass

 

[Bigboii]

I agree, but if someone comes to your house and wants to kill you, after threatening to kill you for Months, you will react violently. Indian Muslims are tame and hence the threats and attacks. If it was us, or pathans this would have not ended well for Ind.

Minorities only suffer if faced with violence
That would happen almost 99 times out of 100 that's like a fact
Its not even about being tame cause first of all the Intel agencies get these guys out of streets even if they have a slight shadow of doubt that they are organizing against the state. So tame or not all of them will suffer nothing good will happen I am nearly 100% sure

 

[big_gamer007]

Where did I say I am justifying rise of terrorists?

But this is how terrorism starts. Tomorrow if Pakistan starts killing Hindus en masse in Pakistan would I really be surprised if we have a Taliban version of Hindus? No I wouldn't. Is BJP really stupid? This how ISIS radicalises Muslims. BJP is giving them all the ingredients.

That doesn't justify anyone killing innocents.

Regardless, we do have hope that this phase will be over soon and we will come out of it stronger than ever.

 

[big_gamer007]

I agree, but if someone comes to your house and wants to kill you, after threatening to kill you for Months, you will react violently. Indian Muslims are tame and hence the threats and attacks. If it was us, or pathans this would have not ended well for Ind.

You will react violently against whom?

 

[Pakpak]

That doesn't justify anyone killing innocents.

Regardless, we do have hope that this phase will be over soon and we will come out of it stronger than ever.

If we reduce policing, reduce employment it would give rise to drug gangs and crime, right? Would that mean I am justifying drug gang crime?

No it wouldn't. You can't control where terror arises, you can however prevent and manage its rise. Good luck to India for driving young Muslims to radicalism.

 

[Bewal Express]

You will react violently against whom?

The attackers and perceived attackers.

 

[Pakpak]

The attackers and perceived attackers.

If a Muslim sees his mother burnt alive or raped by a mob who are NEXT TO THE POLICE and then reads about the systemic abuse by the police against Muslims (I mean even kids were being questioned) and he later on blows up a police station. Would it be wrong? Yes. But for that boy to be radicalised would be all India's fault. This is what ISIS prays on.

Like I said, if you reduce policing you'll have drug wars. It doesn't mean I'm justifying drugs either. I'm simply stating a thing which will happen.

 

[sweep_shot]

Indians complain about illegal Bangladeshis. Do you have any idea how many Indians overstay visa in North America? There are many Indians who even try to cross to USA from Mexico.

Point is, illegals come from all countries. I have no issue if India wants to send back illegal Bangladeshis, but they should also do something about illegal Indians in other countries.

 

[Itachi]

We have illegal aliens from India here as well, let's not go there.

Brother, if we can exchange all the illegal indians against all the illegal bangladeshi immigrants, people in north east india (at least) will accept in a heart beat. Generations have lost their lives over it in 80s decade. Let's not go there because it will indeed open up a ugly can of worms where i don't think bangladesh will be able to justify their position. And this i am writing with all sincerity.

 

[Rajdeep]

Delhi Police detains ISIS-linked couple for instigating anti-CAA protests

New Delhi: Delhi Police on Sunday detained two suspected Islamic State Khorasan Province (ISKP) terrorists in Okhla who were allegedly actively involved in the recent anti-CAA protests. Informed sources, meanwhile, alleged that the couple was planning to carry out suicide attacks in the country.

The couple identified as Jahanzaib Sami and his wife Hina Bashir Beigh from Srinagar were detained by Special Cell of Delhi, said Pramod Singh Kushwaha, Deputy Commissioner of Police (Special Cell). The police recovered electronic gadgets and incriminating material promoting jihadi thought from their possession.

"A couple, Jahanjeb Sami and Hina Bashir Beigh linked to Khorasan Module of ISIS were apprehended from Jamia Nagar, Okhla. The couple was instigating anti-CAA protests," said Kushwaha.

Informed sources told ANI that Sami came under scanner due to his activities on cyberspace which revealed his intention to carry out suicide attacks in the country. He was in "association with senior ISKP members in Afghanistan". He was earlier also in contact with Khurasan-based Huzaifa Bakistani (Amir of Wilaya Hind who has since been killed).

During his interrogation, Jahanzaib Sami revealed that he was actively involved on various social media platforms calling on the Indian Muslims to unite and fight against the Indian establishment in protest against the CAA legislation, sources said.

Sami also revealed he was trying to arrange firearms and ammunitions for his planned activities against the CAA. Sami told Police that he was actively involved in the propagation of recently published IS magazine `Sawt al-Hind' (Voice of India) in the month of February 2020.

Sami has also revealed that one of his close associates, Khattab, was in fact Abdullah Basith who is currently lodged in Tihar jail as an undertrial in ISIS-related cases.

Meanwhile, his wife Hina was also active on pro-IS social media platforms under the name of Catijah al Kashmiri/Hannabee and played a role of facilitator in spotting talents on cyberspace and further motivating them.

https://www.livemint.com/news/india...igating-anti-caa-protests-11583667846216.html

 

[Itachi]

Indians complain about illegal Bangladeshis. Do you have any idea how many Indians overstay visa in North America? There are many Indians who even try to cross to USA from Mexico.

Point is, illegals come from all countries. I have no issue if India wants to send back illegal Bangladeshis, but they should also do something about illegal Indians in other countries.

You have little knowledge about the subject. These illegal bangladeshi immigrants aren't from overstaying visas. They don't have any documentation at all because they didn't even come through port of entry. That's where NRC marked them as illegal immigrant.

 

[sweep_shot]

You have little knowledge about the subject. These illegal bangladeshi immigrants aren't from overstaying visas. They don't have any documentation at all because they didn't even come through port of entry. That's where NRC marked them as illegal immigrant.

Overstaying visa means you are illegal to be here. There are many Indians who do this here in North America. Also, many Indians try to cross to USA from Mexico. I have seen reports like that.

If you think India also doesn't have this problem, you are mistaken.

BTW, I am not supporting Bangladeshi illegals here. I don't know why they went to India when they could go to Europe or something.

 

[sweep_shot]

Thousands of Indians are being in USA illegally: https://qz.com/india/1382738/thousands-of-indians-overstay-in-the-us-on-f-m-j-visas/.

More Indians tend to overstay their US visa validity than nationals of any other country.

The highest number of visa overstays in the “other” category in 2017 came from India, according to an analysis of the department of homeland security’s latest entry/exit overstay report by Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), a non-profit, which favours immigration reduction. This group mostly comprises guest workers or other employment-related visas. A few “pre-immigrant” categories such as fiancées are also included.

And the numbers are only growing. Overstaying Indian nationals in this segment increased 19% from 8,061 in 2016 to 9,568 a year later.

You don't see Americans being violent about it.

 

[Itachi]

Overstaying visa means you are illegal to be here. There are many Indians who do this here in North America. Also, many Indians try to cross to USA from Mexico. I have seen reports like that.

If you think India also doesn't have this problem, you are mistaken.

BTW, I am not supporting Bangladeshi illegals here. I don't know why they went to India when they could go to Europe or something.

give the stats of how many overstaying visas? Since visa already granted, it shouldn't be hard to give how many are overstaying.... is it?

If they are on expired them, deport them. It's not as if india will stop them at their entry point in india and refuse to come in.

How many illgal immigrants are in north east india? make a guess.

 

[Bigboii]

give the stats of how many overstaying visas? Since visa already granted, it shouldn't be hard to give how many are overstaying.... is it?

If they are on expired them, deport them. It's not as if india will stop them at their entry point in india and refuse to come in.

How many illgal immigrants are in north east india? make a guess.

The point was that so many people around the globe live illegally in different countries like I guess Afghanisis in Pak or Mexicans in US but you don't see full blown riots happening

 

[Rajdeep]

Donald Trump is building wall to keep out illegal Mexican immigrants and India is creating law to throw illegal Bangladeshis out. If Indians are staying illegaly anywhere...the prerogative lies on those countries to kick them out. Just bcoz they are not doing anything does not mean India should not either.

What I find astonishing is people comment on topics they have no clues. I am from eastern part of India and influx of Bangladeshi illegal migrants are a massive issue in Assam and West Bengal. So much so that voices of native Boro Assamesse have been overpowered by them. There were even cases regarding how few BD actors were caught campaigning for Mamta Banerjee's party in Bengal prior to general election

https://www.indiatoday.in/elections...didate-kanhaiyalal-agarwal-1502713-2019-04-16

Issue of BD illegal immigrants are massive and its an issue not creeped up just today. Mamta herself on the floor of parliament in 2005 screaming and throwing paper at chairs face asking to remove all Bangladeshis from Bengal. Why? Bcoz BD immigrants were voting for CPM that time. Now when CPM is finished and same people voting for Mamta, she suddenly wants all of them to stay in India and given citizenship.