[VIDEOS] Justice for Sahibzada Farhan: what did he do wrong?

[khyberlion]

1. If he is struggling domestically, then those performing even less than him should be struggling even more no?
2. How do you know where you need to improve internationally unless you are thrown in the fire and get exposed? It’s the reality check they need.
3. All players have weaknesses. Babar’s struggle against spin, Rizwan is a leg side back and so on. You cannot single out someone let alone a debutant.

1. This is not how it works just because your performances is better than someone others doesn't mean you are better than them.
2. He should have improved by now against pace it is was very evident in domestics. You as a player regardless of what level you play at you your weaknesses.
3. Off course all players have weakness but when it's major like his one that's where the problem is. His an opening batsmen who can't play pace and no this is not his debut. He made his debut few years ago against Australia in UAE and even then he was poor against pace.

 

[khyberlion]

He's maybe more of a Test/ODI player but he should be persisted with

Abdullah, saim,imam,fakhar are all ahead of him in odis. In tests he's probably behind Saim, Abdullah, huraira and imam too.

 

[emranabbas]

1. This is not how it works just because your performances is better than someone others doesn't mean you are better than them.

This first part is to justify Rizwan and Babar's poor performance. how the hell a player can be good if he doesn't perform lol
what an Absurd logic.

2. He should have improved by now against pace it is was very evident in domestics. You as a player regardless of what level you play at you your weaknesses.

the guy just hit 2 100's in an FC game and has 3 50's all in his last 10 domestic games

3. Off course all players have weakness but when it's major like his one that's where the problem is. His an opening batsmen who can't play pace and no this is not his debut. He made his debut few years ago against Australia in UAE and even then he was poor against pace.

Rizwan on his debut series averaged 11 and was in less the 20's in his first year.

 

[Farabi]

1. This is not how it works just because your performances is better than someone others doesn't mean you are better than them.
2. He should have improved by now against pace it is was very evident in domestics. You as a player regardless of what level you play at you your weaknesses.
3. Off course all players have weakness but when it's major like his one that's where the problem is. His an opening batsmen who can't play pace and no this is not his debut. He made his debut few years ago against Australia in UAE and even then he was poor against pace.

1. If season upon season, one players is scoring more runs at a better average than another player on the same role, how are they not better? And somehow someone has a crystal ball where they can see that the lesser performer will somehow make the leap to international level better…. This is madness and textbook liking/disliking.
2. The lad has 4600 runs an averages of 45 as a FC opener. That says more about his technique against pace than any eye tests by Pakpassioners. Given enough time, his talent will show. Playing pace in Australia is not the same as playing pace in Asia. Night and day difference. Nearly all of Pakistani batters fail/failed in Aus. It tells you nothing.
3. Again, it’s not a weakness. Random T20s here and there is not how you induct players. Ideally he should be introduced in all formats and specially ODIs and Tests where his numbers are very impressive.

 

[Farabi]

This first part is to justify Rizwan and Babar's poor performance. how the hell a player can be good if he doesn't perform lol
what an Absurd logic.




the guy just hit 2 100's in an FC game and has 3 50's all in his last 10 domestic games




Rizwan on his debut series averaged 11 and was in less the 20's in his first year.

On your third point, there is this mad obsession to compare a debutant/newly inducted players with established players.
The first 5-10 games should be completely ignored.

 

[emranabbas]

On your third point, there is this mad obsession to compare a debutant/newly inducted players with established players.
The first 5-10 games should be completely ignored.

My point is that during Rizwan's first 8 games, he struggled, but the team persisted and gave him a proper run. In the same way, everyone deserves a fair opportunity, and it's unfair to dismiss someone after just one series.

 

[khyberlion]

This first part is to justify Rizwan and Babar's poor performance. how the hell a player can be good if he doesn't perform lol
what an Absurd logic.




the guy just hit 2 100's in an FC game and has 3 50's all in his last 10 domestic games




Rizwan on his debut series averaged 11 and was in less the 20's in his first year.

Babar and Rizwan should be dropped from t20s, again you are showing your obsession with those 2.

So who does he come in for tests? Abdullah hasn't had a good time and should be dropped but next in line is Huraira. If Farhan is given a go and he inevitably fails in SA. You will be using the same excuse.

Again Rizwan didn't struggle against pace like Farhan has even at domestic level.

 

[Farabi]

My point is that during Rizwan's first 8 games, he struggled, but the team persisted and gave him a proper run. In the same way, everyone deserves a fair opportunity, and it's unfair to dismiss someone after just one series.

Yes I know. I am building on that. Most established players struggled in their initial games. Players doing well on debut series is the exception.

 

[Farabi]

Babar and Rizwan should be dropped from t20s, again you are showing your obsession with those 2.

So who does he come in for tests? Abdullah hasn't had a good time and should be dropped but next in line is Huraira. If Farhan is given a go and he inevitably fails in SA. You will be using the same excuse.

Again Rizwan didn't struggle against pace like Farhan has even at domestic level.

What is Farhan’s average and strike rate vs pace in List A and FC? What is the benchmark? What is Hurraira’s? How did you reach this conclusion?

How was Hurraira dismissed thrice in a row in champions trophy.

 

[khyberlion]

1. If season upon season, one players is scoring more runs at a better average than another player on the same role, how are they not better? And somehow someone has a crystal ball where they can see that the lesser performer will somehow make the leap to international level better…. This is madness and textbook liking/disliking.
2. The lad has 4600 runs an averages of 45 as a FC opener. That says more about his technique against pace than any eye tests by Pakpassioners. Given enough time, his talent will show. Playing pace in Australia is not the same as playing pace in Asia. Night and day difference. Nearly all of Pakistani batters fail/failed in Aus. It tells you nothing.
3. Again, it’s not a weakness. Random T20s here and there is not how you induct players. Ideally he should be introduced in all formats and specially ODIs and Tests where his numbers are very impressive.

There is something called domestic bullies which he has proven to be whenever given a chance. I am by no mens against him having a go. I am just pointing out his flaws which he clearly hasn't worked on since coming on to the domestic circuit and will continue to struggle. Age is also not of his side for him to go back and work on.

Why are you ignoring the fact he has struggled against pace at domestic level same is the case with Kamran Ghulam? Maybe you haven't seen him as much but I have seen quite a bit of him. Playing pace at international level is different than playing our domestic bowlers where musa Khan is taking truck loads of wickets.

 

[khyberlion]

My point is that during Rizwan's first 8 games, he struggled, but the team persisted and gave him a proper run. In the same way, everyone deserves a fair opportunity, and it's unfair to dismiss someone after just one series.

Rizwan was dropped after struggling initially. He only came back when we eventually got rid of dead weight sarfraz.

 

[emranabbas]

Yes I know. I am building on that. Most established players struggled in their initial games. Players doing well on debut series is the exception.

honestly think any new debutant should be given a decent run over a few series before being written off. It takes time to adjust and show what they’re capable of. I’m not one of those people who backs a player just to say, “Hey, I spotted this talent.” For me, as long as the player is performing well and helping Pakistan win games, that’s all that really matters. It’s not about proving a point; it’s about giving players the chance to succeed and benefit the team.

 

[khyberlion]

What is Farhan’s average and strike rate vs pace in List A and FC? What is the benchmark? What is Hurraira’s? How did you reach this conclusion?
How was Hurraira dismissed thrice in a row in champions trophy.

I don't have those stats and I am not sure if they are even available. Coming to Huraira I have pointed out his struggles against pace and already stated he will struggle at international level of he opens. He clearly next in line based on being selected as a backup opener.

 

[Farabi]

There is something called domestic bullies which he has proven to be whenever given a chance. I am by no mens against him having a go. I am just pointing out his flaws which he clearly hasn't worked on since coming on to the domestic circuit and will continue to struggle. Age is also not of his side for him to go back and work on.

Why are you ignoring the fact he has struggled against pace at domestic level same is the case with Kamran Ghulam? Maybe you haven't seen him as much but I have seen quite a bit of him. Playing pace at international level is different than playing our domestic bowlers where musa Khan is taking truck loads of wickets.

Let me quantify this so maybe it’s easier to understand.

4 out of 10 domestic bullies will success internationally.

2 out of 10 pure eye tests will succeed internationally.

Most will fail internationally, but domestic Bullies have at least twice as much chance to succeed.

I am not ignoring anything. I’d need to see data.

 

[Farabi]

I don't have those stats and I am not sure if they are even available. Coming to Huraira I have pointed out his struggles against pace and already stated he will struggle at international level of he opens. He clearly next in line based on being selected as a backup opener.

Yes, so without data, it’s impossible to reach such a sweeping conclusion.
A FC opener with 4600 runs at an average of 45. These are very good stats for an opener in 4-day and last I checked it’s pacers who usually open the attack.

 

[khyberlion]

Let me quantify this so maybe it’s easier to understand.

4 out of 10 domestic bullies will success internationally.

2 out of 10 pure eye tests will succeed internationally.

Most will fail internationally, but domestic Bullies have at least twice as much chance to succeed.

I am not ignoring anything. I’d need to see data.

I don't have the data and I don't think we have one for domestic tbh. His struggles against pace is what I have seen and it's been clearly evident so far in his short career. You also don't have data for your claim of the domestic bullies and pure eye test.

 

[khyberlion]

Yes, so without data, it’s impossible to reach such a sweeping conclusion.
A FC opener with 4600 runs at an average of 45. These are very good stats for an opener in 4-day and last I checked it’s pacers who usually open the attack.

Huraira has even better stats and he struggles against pace which you acknowledged. So why are you having hard time with Farhan? Maybe you should ask why did Pakistan select the like of Imran butt, saim Ayub, Abdullah shafique, Shan massood, imam abid Ali with far worse stats than farhan?

 

[emranabbas]

honestly think any new debutant should be given a decent run over a few series before being written off. It takes time to adjust and show what they’re capable of. I’m not one of those people who backs a player just to say, “Hey, I spotted this talent.” For me, as long as the player is performing well and helping Pakistan win games, that’s all that really matters. It’s not about proving a point; it’s about giving players the chance to succeed and benefit the team.

@Farabi

I also want to emphasize that our domestic circuit is already in a poor state, which makes it even more important not to write off players too quickly. If we keep saying, "We have Rizwan and Babar," and don’t focus on building bench strength or developing new talent for the future, Pakistan cricket will be at serious risk. We can't rely on just a few players forever. Developing a strong pipeline of cricketers is essential for the long-term success of the team. Without that, we won't have the depth needed to stay competitive, and the future of Pakistan cricket could be in jeopardy.

 

[Farabi]

I don't have the data and I don't think we have one for domestic tbh. His struggles against pace is what I have seen and it's been clearly evident so far in his short career. You also don't have data for your claim of the domestic bullies and pure eye test.

I challenge you. Go and look at 10 legends of cricket and look for:

1. What was their performance in domestic before their debut.
2. What was their perf in first 30-40 games.
3. What was their perf after that.

You will see clear patterns.
If you’re lazy to do that, just click on any 10 players you love, and compare their ODIs and List A performance, if they’ve played at least 30 ODIs. See what you find.

 

[Farabi]

Huraira has even better stats and he struggles against pace which you acknowledged. So why are you having hard time with Farhan? Maybe you should ask why did Pakistan select the like of Imran butt, saim Ayub, Abdullah shafique, Shan massood, imam abid Ali with far worse stats than farhan?

1. Hurraira has impressive stats but Farhan has bigger and more well rounded body of work.
2. This is exactly why I am against liking and disliking. Imran Butt, Ayub, Abdullah, Shan, and Imam were someone’s liking as well right? This is exactly why I am against liking disliking. Abid Ali was a domestic stalwart and won’t group him here.

 

[khyberlion]

I challenge you. Go and look at 10 legends of cricket and look for:

1. What was their performance in domestic before their debut.
2. What was their perf in first 30-40 games.
3. What was their perf after that.

You will see clear patterns.
If you’re lazy to do that, just click on any 10 players you love, and compare their ODIs and List A performance, if they’ve played at least 30 ODIs. See what you find.

You are completely missing the point. I am talking about his struggles against pace and you are talking about legends. I can challenge you too on finding 10 legends who couldn't play pace above waist height.

 

[khyberlion]

1. Hurraira has impressive stats but Farhan has bigger and more well rounded body of work.
2. This is exactly why I am against liking and disliking. Imran Butt, Ayub, Abdullah, Shan, and Imam were someone’s liking as well right? This is exactly why I am against liking disliking. Abid Ali was a domestic stalwart and won’t group him here.

You are not answering the question. Question wasn't who has impressive stats. It's about playing pace which you agreed for huraira but you are not answering for Farhan.

 

[Farabi]

@Farabi

I also want to emphasize that our domestic circuit is already in a poor state, which makes it even more important not to write off players too quickly. If we keep saying, "We have Rizwan and Babar," and don’t focus on building bench strength or developing new talent for the future, Pakistan cricket will be at serious risk. We can't rely on just a few players forever. Developing a strong pipeline of cricketers is essential for the long-term success of the team. Without that, we won't have the depth needed to stay competitive, and the future of Pakistan cricket could be in jeopardy.

Yup. 100%. Pakistani domestic system is OK. It’s not as bad as many people make it sound like. We just don’t respect domestic performers.
That Pakistani domestic system is of lower standard than international, but as are county and Sheffield shield. Not all of their players succeed internationally nor do their systems prepare their batters for spinning conditions (as evident in recent series against England).
This “domestic is not reliable so we can’t use data” is used as a weapon and excuse to select their personal favorites. That’s our biggest undoing.

 

[Farabi]

You are not answering the question. Question wasn't who has impressive stats. It's about playing pace which you agreed for huraira but you are not answering for Farhan.

I didn’t deliberately ignored your question. I wasn’t clear that’s what you’re wanting to know.
My view is that Pakistani domestic system, on average, produces batters who are average against pace and slightly better against spin. This applies to almost all the Pakistani batters with some rare exceptions. Rizwan is also OK against pace. His game on the offside against pace is non existent.
The best Pakistani batter against express pace is Fakhar, and against medium pace is Babar. Other than that all I can see is mediocrity. But that shouldn’t make us lose hope and not allow batters to develop and learn. There are many players like Hafeez, Azhar Ali, who were terrible against pace but improved their game over time. What we want to see is work ethic and best signal of work ethic is CONSISTENT domestic performance

 

[khyberlion]

I didn’t deliberately ignored your question. I wasn’t clear that’s what you’re wanting to know.
My view is that Pakistani domestic system, on average, produces batters who are average against pace and slightly better against spin. This applies to almost all the Pakistani batters with some rare exceptions. Rizwan is also OK against pace. His game on the offside against pace is non existent.
The best Pakistani batter against express pace is Fakhar, and against medium pace is Babar. Other than that all I can see is mediocrity. But that shouldn’t make us lose hope and not allow batters to develop and learn. There are many players like Hafeez, Azhar Ali, who were terrible against pace but improved their game over time. What we want to see is work ethic and best
signal of work ethic is CONSISTENT domestic performance

The players who you have highlighted are and were far better against pace than farhan is and even technically they are and were better than farhan.

 

[Farabi]

The players who you have highlighted are and were far better against pace than farhan is and even technically they are and were better than farhan.

That’s based on your subjective assessment right?

I am not sure if you were around but the same was said about Hafeez, Younus Khan, and Azhar Ali. That their technique is bad against pace but they had good/great careers anyway.

Imran Khan dropped Saeed Anwar after his debut series because “his technique wasn’t cut for international cricket”.

I think what I am saying is that there is no perfect way to judge “technique”. Steve Smith became the most prolific batter with what many initially thought was a tailender technique.

The only reliable way to signal technique is consistent domestic performance. The rest is fluff.

 

[khyberlion]

That’s based on your subjective assessment right?

I am not sure if you were around but the same was said about Hafeez, Younus Khan, and Azhar Ali. That their technique is bad against pace but they had good/great careers anyway.

Imran Khan dropped Saeed Anwar after his debut series because “his technique wasn’t cut for international cricket”.

I think what I am saying is that there is no perfect way to judge “technique”. Steve Smith became the most prolific batter with what many initially thought was a tailender technique.

The only reliable way to signal technique is consistent domestic performance. The rest is fluff.

I have watched all those guys bat bar saeed anwar and those guys were not as bad against pace as Farhan. This is the point I am making.

 

[Farabi]

I have watched all those guys bat bar saeed anwar and those guys were not as bad against pace as Farhan. This is the point I am making.

Your perception of those players is influenced by their peak and overall career achievements.
When they were starting out, similar critiques were made about their technique, but as their careers progressed, those concerns proved unfounded.

 

[khyberlion]

Your perception of those players is influenced by their peak and overall career achievements.
When they were starting out, similar critiques were made about their technique, but as their careers progressed, those concerns proved unfounded.

And you based this on what? You are just assuming things. Those guys were pretty much established player at the age of 29 Farhan is yet to be selected for tests let alone make his debut.

 

[Farabi]

Pakistanis have made a business out of critiquing techniques. Most of these critics haven’t held a bat professionally.
What looks pleasing to the eye isnt necessarily better.
I remember Imran Nazir whose technique was seen as great by fans and experts alike. Phenomenal player of pace and bounce no doubt. Yet an abject failure overall and didn’t amount to anything.
Younus Khan, the domestic stalwart was often the target of such critiques that his technique is bad, yet has gone down as a legend.

 

[Farabi]

And you based this on what? You are just assuming things. Those guys were pretty much established player at the age of 29 Farhan is yet to be selected for tests let alone make his debut.

Were you watching cricket closely when these players debuted?

 

[sweep_shot]

Farhan should get a few more games at least. Chopping and changing too frequently is not a good strategy.

 

[Kianig89]

Justice for Sahibzada! entered the villain Salman Butt and new plot in the drama

 

[BouncerGuy]

Farhan is not an international material. He might do an ok job in Pakistan only but his away tours are gonna be horrible.

let's just keep him for home series only.

 

[Rana]

Farhan is not an international material. He might do an ok job in Pakistan only but his away tours are gonna be horrible.

let's just keep him for home series only.

16 off 26 isn’t even club material

 

[BouncerGuy]

16 off 26 isn’t even club material

surely it was not.

 

[Kianig89]

8 T20s so far @ 10.3 , never mind the SR

 

[BouncerGuy]

8 T20s so far @ 10.3 , never mind the SR

Giving tough competition to Azam Khan.

 

[Rana]

8 T20s so far @ 10.3 , never mind the SR

104 T20s

16 off 26

Strike rate of 90 in last two T20 world cups as an opener.

 

[Kianig89]

104 T20s

16 off 26

Strike rate of 90 in last two T20 world cups as an opener.

what does it has to do with S.Farhan

 

[mominsaigol]

what does it has to do with S.Farhan

I do have a genuine question. Please do answer when you can.

I agree with you on S.Farhan, Genuinely I do. I've gone on and on about only trying him in red ball. He's a horrible t20 and odi bat.

But why do you guys hate farhan yet support rizwan? Both farhan and rizzu are rubbish.

Rizwan is > Farhan as a t20 batsmen but that's not really saying much.

When a player is brand new they often have a purple patch for 1 to 2 years, but eventually due to footage bowlers and oppositions figure them out.

It happened with multiple pakistani players like sohaib maqsood, ahmed Shehzad, Imran Farhat, Nasir Jamshed etc etc.

Rizwan is no different. He had his semi decent run from 2020-2021 in t20 but a player with technical weaknesses will get exposed eventually.

Just bowl on the offside and bingo, Rizzu is cooked. Every opposition has figured this out which is why Rizwan's 2022 to 2024 run in t20 has been crap with low avg and low SR's.

So I don't get how someone can hate farhan but also support rizwan in t20 cricket. Makes zilch sense as their off the same mould.

 

[Kianig89]

Nobody is hating Farhan, he has been given 8 T20s yet no results.

 

[mominsaigol]

I do have a genuine question. Please do answer when you can.

I agree with you on S.Farhan, Genuinely I do. I've gone on and on about only trying him in red ball. He's a horrible t20 and odi bat.

But why do you guys hate farhan yet support rizwan? Both farhan and rizzu are rubbish.

Rizwan is > Farhan as a t20 batsmen but that's not really saying much.

When a player is brand new they often have a purple patch for 1 to 2 years, but eventually due to footage bowlers and oppositions figure them out.

It happened with multiple pakistani players like sohaib maqsood, ahmed Shehzad, Imran Farhat, Nasir Jamshed etc etc.

Rizwan is no different. He had his semi decent run from 2020-2021 in t20 but a player with technical weaknesses will get exposed eventually.

Just bowl on the offside and bingo, Rizzu is cooked. Every opposition has figured this out which is why Rizwan's 2022 to 2024 run in t20 has been crap with low avg and low SR's.

So I don't get how someone can hate farhan but also support rizwan in t20 cricket. Makes zilch sense as their off the same mould.

Only players who learn how to overcome their limitations or master certain strokes will be succesful after that purple patch ends.

Yousaf, Inzi, saeed and others share this aspect.

Similarly fakhar succeeds in odi because he only struggles against deliveries that angle away from him and it's not easy for bowlers to pull off consistently.

To top it off he's mastered the pull shot and the slow sweep. If you fail to angle it away from him, then the ball is flying over the rope so it's a high risk, high reward feeling for the bowler.

To top it off his stance makes it next to impossible to get him LBW.

Farhan on the other hand has still feet and zero footwork, So very easy to get him out via the short ball as his feet don't move, He's never in position to play that shot.

Similarly rizwan seems to have never practised an offside shot in his life. Unlike fakhar you don't have to worry about this guy pulling you, he doesn't have the power, he'll get caught in the inner ring.

So endless bowl on the offside and rizzu is toast.

 

[mominsaigol]

There is long list of domestic toppers failing at international level.

Yes but when has a domestic flop succeeded in International? Never ever heard of such an event occuring

Edit: sorry replied to rana by accident. @Kianig89 I meant to reply to you

 

[Kianig89]

Farhan is still lucky he got 8 games in 6 years, some players even donot get this chance like Umer Amin got 14 T20s in 14 years.

 

[Kianig89]

There is long list of domestic toppers failing at international level.

Yes but when has a domestic flop succeeded in International? Never ever heard of such an event occuring

Edit: sorry replied to rana by accident. @Kianig89 I meant to reply to you

Yes it will be an anomaly we need to improve the domestic structure

 

[emranabbas]

Nobody is hating Farhan, he has been given 8 T20s yet no results.

When rizwan debuted he was given 8 t20's and averaged 11

 

[Rana]

Farhan is still lucky he got 8 games in 6 years, some players even donot get this chance like Umer Amin got 14 T20s in 14 years.

It is not rightful criticism coming from you. Do the same for Rizwan first. You are not genuine

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes it will be an anomaly we need to improve the domestic structure

And how do you propose pakistan does that?

The biggest issue is that players who want to play modern era cricket aren't rewarded. It's a miracle fakhar Zaman was brought up and about during sarfi's era otherwise Misbah wouldn't have promoted him.

Any player who wants to play aggressive cricket and play according to modern times is not motivated to do so.

Averages are looked at, and to top it off your league captains and coaches include rizwan, Babar, Misbah, waqar, etc etc.

How can you even hope to improve as a bowler if you don't find any domestic batters willing to attack you and how can you improve as a batter if you don't attempt to attack?

You've promoted Babar and Rizwan as your main batsmen and are having young and upcoming guns follow their mantra and make bobby his role model?

Genuinely I have always wondered what Babar and rizwan feel whenever their watching someone like Travis head, jos Butler, Quinton, rachin ravindra etc bat at the crease?

Cause if I was them I'd be ashamed of myself. Saud shakeel who's a test batter and bats very slow in tests has ironically shown more intent in his odi career then these 2 lullei all format batters.

 

[Kianig89]

When rizwan debuted he was given 8 t20's and averaged 11

Credit to Misbah ul Haq for persisting with him, hopefully Aqib will keep Farhan in loop.

Dont you think as a wk Rizwan had the edge and exceptional work ethic which kept him afloat.

 

[Kianig89]

And how do you propose pakistan does that?

The biggest issue is that players who want to play modern era cricket aren't rewarded. It's a miracle fakhar Zaman was brought up and about during sarfi's era otherwise Misbah wouldn't have promoted him.

Any player who wants to play aggressive cricket and play according to modern times is not motivated to do so.

Averages are looked at, and to top it off your league captains and coaches include rizwan, Babar, Misbah, waqar, etc etc.

How can you even hope to improve as a bowler if you don't find any domestic batters willing to attack you and how can you improve as a batter if you don't attempt to attack?

You've promoted Babar and Rizwan as your main batsmen and are having young and upcoming guns follow their mantra and make bobby his role model?

Genuinely I have always wondered what Babar and rizwan feel whenever their watching someone like Travis head, jos Butler, Quinton, rachin ravindra etc bat at the crease?

Cause if I was them I'd be ashamed of myself. Saud shakeel who's a test batter and bats very slow in tests has ironically shown more intent in his odi career then these 2 lullei all format batters.

Long story short, Selectors should watch domestic cricket in stadium, to pick the right players without any influence, highly impossible in Pakistan

 

[mominsaigol]

Long story short, Selectors should watch domestic cricket in stadium, to pick the right players without any influence, highly impossible in Pakistan

Without any influence? You realise your favourite player got made captain only due to influence lol.

 

[shaz619]

@mominsaigol
@shaz619
@topspin
@emranabbas
@Dr_Bassim

Listen to what this besharam has to say from 4:00minutes onwards for RizBar

I swear this guy Salman Butt is on my hit list as well now!

The big bad Butt is a chalak guy, he is looking for employment, he knows which buttons to press.

 

[Kianig89]

Without any influence? You realise your favourite player got made captain only due to influence lol.

So you want Rizwan to be removed and Agha gets the job. Is that not influence

 

[Rana]

So you want Rizwan to be removed and Agha gets the job. Is that not influence

Rizwan has no business in T20s

Remove him and then we will talk about others. First he goes!

 

[Ahmed216]

Nobody is hating Farhan, he has been given 8 T20s yet no results.

Yes every cricketer who gets picked deserves a proper run.

 

[Kianig89]

Rizwan has no business in T20s

Remove him and then we will talk about others. First he goes!

And who gets the role??

Agha, AzamKhan?

 

[Rana]

And who gets the role??

Agha, AzamKhan?

He has no business playing T20. Remove him first and for good, we will decide who gets the job.

 

[Rana]

Yes every cricketer who gets picked deserves a proper run.

Yes captain obvious

 

[emranabbas]

Credit to Misbah ul Haq for persisting with him, hopefully Aqib will keep Farhan in loop.

Dont you think as a wk Rizwan had the edge and exceptional work ethic which kept him afloat.

If you’ve followed Rizwan’s career, he wasn’t great as a batsman and was about the same level as Sarfaraz in wicketkeeping. The only way to keep him relevant was to push him up the order, and he’s been playing it tuk tuk there ever since. Sarfaraz, on his day, could win games on his own, but Rizwan just doesn’t have that in him. Honestly, it feels like his hype is all thanks to his PR team, and people who don’t really understand cricket just fell for it.

Rizwan wasn't even good enough to play for Pakistan shaheens averages a mighty 3 vs Bangladesh

 

[Kianig89]

If you’ve followed Rizwan’s career, he wasn’t great as a batsman and was about the same level as Sarfaraz in wicketkeeping. The only way to keep him relevant was to push him up the order, and he’s been playing it tuk tuk there ever since. Sarfaraz, on his day, could win games on his own, but Rizwan just doesn’t have that in him. Honestly, it feels like his hype is all thanks to his PR team, and people who don’t really understand cricket just fell for it.

Rizwan wasn't even good enough to play for Pakistan shaheens averages a mighty 3 vs Bangladesh

Credit to PCB mgmt for persisting with Rizwan and finally he delivered the goods. A Big role Misbah played in it right from SNGPL days

 

[emranabbas]

Credit to PCB mgmt for persisting with Rizwan and finally he delivered the goods. A Big role Misbah played in it right from SNGPL days

So what makes you think farhans career won't take off?

You lot said the same about saim and now drooling all over saim

 

[Kianig89]

So what makes you think farhans career won't take off?

You lot said the same about saim and now drooling all over saim

I hope Farhan career takes off, 6 yrs on the runway already

 

[TeymurBlake]

His numbers in domestic cricket are good & he is a capable player of spin.

However he needs to fine tune his technique as well as short pitched bowling.

 

[emranabbas]

His numbers in domestic cricket are good & he is a capable player of spin.

However he needs to fine tune his technique as well as short pitched bowling.

Short balls have always been a tough spot for Pakistani players, and the only way to get better is with experience.

Let’s see how he does against Zimbabwe—if he flops there, he probably shouldn’t be in the T20 squad.

He really should’ve been in Tests and ODIs, but there’s just no room for him at the moment.

He’s doing well in domestic cricket, in FC and List A.

 

[khyberlion]

Were you watching cricket closely when these players debuted?

I have been watching cricket very closely since 2002.

 

[emranabbas]

I have been watching cricket very closely since 2002.

You watched every single game?

 

[khyberlion]

You watched every single game?

Where did I say I watched every single game?

 

[zarak]

There’s a common misconception that a selector’s job is to “scout” talent. In reality, their role is to evaluate and decide between players with comparable domestic performances. For example, when two players have similar stats, selectors can use qualitative factors to assess who might perform better, similar to how colleges consider extracurriculars alongside test scores when choosing between equally qualified applicants.

What they shouldn’t do is ignore domestic performances and rely solely on eye tests. That approach creates chaos, as we’ve seen in Pakistan cricket. The idea that players without strong domestic records often succeed is greatly exaggerated—consistent results usually come from a methodical, performance-based process.

This isn’t to say eye tests are useless, but they are far less reliable than solid domestic performances. Australian cricket provides a valuable perspective here. While their domestic standard is also lower than international cricket, they believe domestic success is the best indicator of future potential. If a player can’t dominate domestically, it’s unlikely they’ll thrive internationally.

Debuting players too early often backfires—they’re unprepared, fail, and get discarded. On the other hand, players who’ve endured the grind of domestic cricket have learned resilience and how to recover from slumps, which is critical at the international level.

Great points but this only works when the standard of cricket, pitches and umpiring is of a certain level.

You recall the time when we were playing with grays ball and green tops. Hammad Azam had a bowling average of 18 and there was this 37-40 year old trundler called Rashid Latif who broke the record for most wickets. The eye test would rule them out.

While I agree with your point. There needs to be a minimal standard of cricket for domestic stats to be meaningful.

 

[Farabi]

Great points but this only works when the standard of cricket, pitches and umpiring is of a certain level.

You recall the time when we were playing with grays ball and green tops. Hammad Azam had a bowling average of 18 and there was this 37-40 year old trundler called Rashid Latif who broke the record for most wickets. The eye test would rule them out.

While I agree with your point. There needs to be a minimal standard of cricket for domestic stats to be meaningful.

There was a period in the middle where it was true because of the problem you mentioned. However, it’s been a while that changed since 2019 I think, so there are no excuses now.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I think Sahibzada Farhan is better suited for ODIs as he looks uncomfortable playing attacking shots upfront in the T20 format. He needs time to settle so it would be better to send him to the middle order in T20s or avoid playing him in this format altogether. He is not a natural opener for T20 cricket.

 

[Markhor]

People writing paragraph after paragraph on this bloke.

His T20 SR is 128. After 21 innings in the PSL it falls to 119 for god's sake. How's he the answer to our lack of aggressive T20 batsmen ?

 

[Farabi]

People writing paragraph after paragraph on this bloke.

His T20 SR is 128. After 21 innings in the PSL it falls to 119 for god's sake. How's he the answer to our lack of aggressive T20 batsmen ?

The discussion drifted to whether domestic performance is reliable to give players chances, or players can be written off on qualitative factors despite that performance. It wasn’t specific to Farhan.

It’s true overall perf is not that great. Hoeever, Farhan is the table topper for the past 2 seasons in the National T20, with a strike rate of 178 in the most recent National T20 tournament, which was one of the best in the last season.

This does not guarantee success. But if he’s still not good enough to get a few chances internationally, then my suggestion would be to scrap domestic tournaments and just use camps and bring in “experts” to evaluate talent based on their eyes. Whats the point of these domestic tournaments.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

That’s the problem with the PCB they don’t provide enough confidence to players... They made Sahibzada play against Australia and that too in Australia expecting him to perform wonders but after just two bad innings he was dropped again. He should have been given the Zimbabwe series to ease the pressure and show his potential.

 

[Farabi]

That’s the problem with the PCB they don’t provide enough confidence to players... They made Sahibzada play against Australia and that too in Australia expecting him to perform wonders but after just two bad innings he was dropped again. He should have been given the Zimbabwe series to ease the pressure and show his potential.

Well according to many, Sahibzada Farhan’s technique only works in domestic but it doesn’t work internationally. Somehow they have a magic wand

 

[BouncerGuy]

Justice for Salman ali agha to not let him play in T20s. He is pathetic. He is in the league of Azam Khan here in T20s.

 

[gazza619]

justice finally served

I do feel sorry for Farhan though

 

[gazza619]

Justice for Salman ali agha to not let him play in T20s. He is pathetic. He is in the league of Azam Khan here in T20s.

Azam Khan has a league of his own when it comes to patheticness.

 

[Kianig89]

So The plead continues, Farhan axed hopefully OP will lead the cause

 

[khyberlion]

His last chance perhaps.