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[VIDEOS] Mitchell Starc - On the road to becoming the best ever?

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In just 36 matches, the guy has 5 5fers and 5 4fers, compare this to one of the best ever who's got 6 5fers in a career of 350 odd games :wasim.

On top of that, he's taken 71 wickets at an astonishing 19.56 a piece @23.9 strike rate. Seriously, this guys out of this world and is on the road to becoming one of the best ever ODI bowlers.

He reach the fastest to 100 wickets too as he needs 29 wickets in 16 matches which is easy for someone of his ability.

This guy is miles ahead of Johnson in ODIs in my opinion.
 
He has the most lethal yorker in world cricket right now. It comes in fast, reverse swings as well.
 
Should we rate him higher than top class ODI bowlers of earlier era since he bowls on dead pitches and to batsmen holding clubs.
 
He has had a blistering start to his career. Lets see if he can keep it to that for the next 2-3 seasons
 
And he is doing it in THIS era.

How cool is that.

Should we rate him higher than top class ODI bowlers of earlier era since he bowls on dead pitches and to batsmen holding clubs.
I was gonna get on to this...SIF I remember you wrote that due to the fact that batsman are practically technique-less nowadays, if a bowler is bad, he's gonna get destroyed but if a bowler can move the ball even an inch will easily run through a line up due to factor like huge gaps between bat and pad.

Nevertheless, if that isn't the case then yeh defo should be rated even higher due to this era...this guys stats are godly.
 
I was gonna get on to this...SIF I remember you wrote that due to the fact that batsman are practically technique-less nowadays, if a bowler is bad, he's gonna get destroyed but if a bowler can move the ball even an inch will easily run through a line up due to factor like huge gaps between bat and pad.

Nevertheless, if that isn't the case then yeh defo should be rated even higher due to this era...this guys stats are godly.

Agreed. I was thinking about this factor when I wrote it.

The thing is....if you give a good bowler a good bowling track in this era, he will run through the opposition team full of hacks.

But if a bowler starts producing such spells consistently against all oppositions, you start wondering "wow this is unreal".

Because in this era,

1. The odds of you getting good batting tracks are a lot

2. The odds of a batsman smashing you out of the park and disturbing your averages is a lot.

3. In the old days, bowlers could finish 10 overs giving 35-40 runs and take 2 wickets averaging 17-20. In this era, more often than not you will be giving away 45-60 runs (Starc's economy is 4.9). So unless he is picking 2-3 wickets a game, he can't maintain his average. Now one can say its easy to get wickets in the slog overs which is true but you have to be still good to get them WITHOUT reverse swing, 4 fielder rule, hard ball that can go for sixes easily.

1. What are Starc's stats in different countries?
2. How many of these wickets he is getting BEFORE slog overs?


That's important.

Shami has great stats but he used to get a lot of cheap wickets at the death which boosted his average (his SR is also outrageously good - next best to Starc). Though he had stats, no one rated him cos the effect wasn't being felt. But in this WC, he has been getting wickets upfront and the effect can be seen. And everyone's starting to rate Shami.
 
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In Odis

Waqar has 13 5-fers

Malinga has 7 5-fers

Starc already has 5-5fers.

Fair to say in order to be the best ODI bowlers in the world, one need to be a toe-cruiser specialist?
 
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In Odis

Waqar has 13 5-fers

Malinga has 7 5-fers

Starc already has 5-5fers.

Fair to say in order to be the best ODI bowlers in the world, one need to be a toe-cruiser specialist?

Yeah. Good observation.

Looks like that.

I guess Shami needs to work on it. :)
 
If I am not wrong, Starc started off outrageously well in ODIs, then lost his plot a bit in the middle but now is back with a BANG.
 
Agreed. I was thinking about this factor when I wrote it.

The thing is....if you give a good bowler a good bowling track in this era, he will run through the opposition team full of hacks.

But if a bowler starts producing such spells consistently against all oppositions, you start wondering "wow this is unreal".

Because in this era,

1. The odds of you getting good batting tracks are a lot

2. The odds of a batsman smashing you out of the park and disturbing your averages is a lot.

3. In the old days, bowlers could finish 10 overs giving 35-40 runs and take 2 wickets averaging 17-20. In this era, more often than not you will be giving away 45-60 runs (Starc's economy is 4.9). So unless he is picking 2-3 wickets a game, he can't maintain his average. Now one can say its easy to get wickets in the slog overs which is true but you have to be still good to get them WITHOUT reverse swing, 4 fielder rule, hard ball that can go for sixes easily.

1. What are Starc's stats in different countries?
2. How many of these wickets he is getting BEFORE slog overs?


That's important.

Shami has great stats but he used to get a lot of cheap wickets at the death which boosted his average (his SR is also outrageously good - next best to Starc). Though he had stats, no one rated him cos the effect wasn't being felt. But in this WC, he has been getting wickets upfront and the effect can be seen. And everyone's starting to rate Shami.
Ye, this is what I wanted to get and Agree completely.

Starc has regained that deadly inswinger which made him so lethal at the beginning of his career.
Those 150kph yorkers are boooootiful
 
He is as talented as Akram and is quicker. Could have been an even bigger nightmare for the batsmen if he was bowling in 90s.
 
Yeah. Good observation.

Looks like that.

I guess Shami needs to work on it. :)

The bowlers i have mentioned had/has very unique action.

malinga - slinging Action

Waqar - A very different action, side on, which is tailor-made for reverse swing yorker.

Starc- Also has a side on Action + he is a left-armer

Their action make them lethal. Even if Shami tries, his yorker wont be that lethal, since his action is not tailor-made for those swinging yorker.

Dare i say Nehra ,use to bowl some lethal yorkers back in 2003 WC. HIs action really made for it. A bit side on. Even in IPL nehra has produced some lethal yorkers.
 
The bowlers i have mentioned had/has very unique action.

malinga - slinging Action

Waqar - A very different action, side on, which is tailor-made for reverse swing yorker.

Starc- Also has a side on Action + he is a left-armer

Their action make them lethal. Even if Shami tries, his yorker wont be that lethal, since his action is not tailor-made for those swinging yorker.

Dare i say Nehra ,use to bowl some lethal yorkers back in 2003 WC. HIs action really made for it. A bit side on. Even in IPL nehra has produced some lethal yorkers.
Maybe ******* can also take a gajillion 5fers if attempts them more often:sohail
 
He is as talented as Akram and is quicker. Could have been an even bigger nightmare for the batsmen if he was bowling in 90s.

He is not like akram, but a bit like Waqar. only that he is a left-armer and dont rely too much on reverse swing as waqar. Akram was more multi-dimensional, with whippy action.
 
The bowlers i have mentioned had/has very unique action.

malinga - slinging Action

Waqar - A very different action, side on, which is tailor-made for reverse swing yorker.

Starc- Also has a side on Action + he is a left-armer

Their action make them lethal. Even if Shami tries, his yorker wont be that lethal, since his action is not tailor-made for those swinging yorker.

Dare i say Nehra ,use to bowl some lethal yorkers back in 2003 WC. HIs action really made for it. A bit side on. Even in IPL nehra has produced some lethal yorkers.

He bowled one lethal yorker to get rid of a batsman in this WC. I think against UAE.

His action is not built for it but he should try it.

Even a decent level of skill would mean our Shami boy can achieve stars.

Could he be the bowling star we are looking for? Too far ahead I know but this is SO FREAKING EXCITED.

And scary too, cos apart from Umesh, Shami, Aaron (and Moohit and Ishant to a certain extent) - All our domestic bowlers are sub 130 trundlers.

There is no upcoming pace talent in the country. :( :( :(
 
He bowled one lethal yorker to get rid of a batsman in this WC. I think against UAE.

His action is not built for it but he should try it.

Even a decent level of skill would mean our Shami boy can achieve stars.

Could he be the bowling star we are looking for? Too far ahead I know but this is SO FREAKING EXCITED.

And scary too, cos apart from Umesh, Shami, Aaron (and Moohit and Ishant to a certain extent) - All our domestic bowlers are sub 130 trundlers.

There is no upcoming pace talent in the country. :( :( :(

I remember a 16 year old and another 18 year old bowling 140kph consistantly in U19 WC.

Even IPL has quite a few bowlers hitting 140.
 
I remember a 16 year old and another 18 year old bowling 140kph consistantly in U19 WC.

Even IPL has quite a few bowlers hitting 140.

I too thought the same mate.

I was in another site and there was a discussion about upcoming Indian bowlers in domestic cricket and looks like no one is hitting even 130s. There were guys who regularly follow domestic cricket who said this.

Got a real shock.

And Vinay Koomar is still a legend there. :facepalm:

Maybe those who can bowl 140+ are nowhere near as good.
 
He is as talented as Akram and is quicker. Could have been an even bigger nightmare for the batsmen if he was bowling in 90s.
lmfao relax. He can't move the ball both ways nor can he seam..
His main weapons are his inswinger, pace and bounce.
Wasim bhai had all of those and then some.
 
I too thought the same mate.

I was in another site and there was a discussion about upcoming Indian bowlers in domestic cricket and looks like no one is hitting even 130s. There were guys who regularly follow domestic cricket who said this.

Got a real shock.

And Vinay Koomar is still a legend there. :facepalm:

Maybe those who can bowl 140+ are nowhere near as good.

You have no idea how bad the scene is.The Tamil Nadu change up seamers barely clock 120.

Meanwhile enjoy this breathtaking spell by our main prospect.
 
I remember a 16 year old and another 18 year old bowling 140kph consistantly in U19 WC.

Even IPL has quite a few bowlers hitting 140.

Yeah chama milind and Monu kumar. Monu kumar is really short like Bhatti and play for Jharkhand. Chama ilind is a tall left-armer and Play for hyderabad i think.

There is another left-armer called pankaj Suyal who is from Delhi. He clocked 144ks in his first delivery on his debut match for Mumbai Indians in IPL.
But since then he has not played much cricket even for his state Delhi. I don't know why.
 
Awesome ODI bowler but greatest ever?Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
 
You have no idea how bad the scene is.The Tamil Nadu change up seamers barely clock 120.

Meanwhile enjoy this breathtaking spell by our main prospect.

My blood pressure goes up seeing this fellow.

HATE HIM TO THE CORE.

Captain cool played him in Perth last time. :facepalm:
 
I don't know how many of you follow Ranjis, but Shardul thakur of Mumbai is a real find this season. He isn't very quick but can bowl 140+

when required. And don't depend on pitch to get wicket like Vinay kumar, who feast on Green Tops. He can reverse it too and a handy

batsman. A good prospect.
 
Awesome ODI bowler but greatest ever?Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
why not? Have a look at his stats in a batsman dominated era.

He's taken 4+ wickets 10 times, 3 of which are 6fers in just 36 games. This guy surely knows how to rip through a line up. If he continues like this, I don't see why he won't trouble the best of the bests in ODIs.
 
I don't think anyone can eclipse Wasim. His impact transcended beyond statistics. Starc is the one with the most potential in this era and he could very well end up as an ATG in ODIs.
 
My blood pressure goes up seeing this fellow.

HATE HIM TO THE CORE.

Captain cool played him in Perth last time. :facepalm:

Vinay Kumar is a 'legend' and kudos to those pitch curators who made this man a 'legend' :facepalm: seriously those pitches where this vinay kumar can get a 5-fer should be banned.

Btw RAnji final is b/w TN and Karnataka. Do you think Vijay will be the 'man' for TN.
 
Vinay Kumar is a 'legend' and kudos to those pitch curators who made this man a 'legend' :facepalm: seriously those pitches where this vinay kumar can get a 5-fer should be banned.

Btw RAnji final is b/w TN and Karnataka. Do you think Vijay will be the 'man' for TN.

The sad part is EVEN BEFORE BCCI changed these pitches, Vinay Koomar was a top performer.

What a phattu domestic circuit.

The batsmen getting out to him and his peers who make him look like McGrath.

As long as Vinay is there in opposition team, Tamil Nadu will have to play cautiously.

Ok kill me now.
 
The guys who had killer yorkers, became ODI legend. Waqar had that killer yorker. And he had 13 5-fers to show.

No doubt Starc is another Waqar in making.
 
The sad part is EVEN BEFORE BCCI changed these pitches, Vinay Koomar was a top performer.

What a phattu domestic circuit.

The batsmen getting out to him and his peers who make him look like McGrath.

As long as Vinay is there in opposition team, Tamil Nadu will have to play cautiously.

Ok kill me now.

I am following Ranji and I can say there is no one, NO ONE who can show some patience while batting. And that is why I have concluded

that we may find a second sachin but will never find another Dravid. In the scheme of things having some-one like Vijay in our line up is

gold just GOLD.
 
I am following Ranji and I can say there is no one, NO ONE who can show some patience while batting. And that is why I have concluded

that we may find a second sachin but will never find another Dravid. In the scheme of things having some-one like Vijay in our line up is

gold just GOLD.

That's just sad.

Dravids makes Sachins more effective.
 
Great bowler hope he stays injury free , he can become a legend of the game
 
why not? Have a look at his stats in a batsman dominated era.

He's taken 4+ wickets 10 times, 3 of which are 6fers in just 36 games. This guy surely knows how to rip through a line up. If he continues like this, I don't see why he won't trouble the best of the bests in ODIs.

He already is troubling the best of the best in ODIs but calling him the best ever right now is on par with those ridiculous statements made about Kohli, putting him on par with Sachin, Ponting and Lara.
 
He already is troubling the best of the best in ODIs but calling him the best ever right now is on par with those ridiculous statements made about Kohli, putting him on par with Sachin, Ponting and Lara.

Totally agree. Let's see if he's still around after three or four years and if he can improve his performance level. And you can't be the best ever unless you perform in Test cricket.
 
He's a very good limited overs bowler.

I wonder if it would be accurate to compare the current Starc to Amir before he got banned. Though Amir was exceptional in all 3 formats of the game and was a lot younger and was that good.
 
An average of 19 in this day of flat pitches, huge bats and small boundary lengths.
 
Yes he is on the road to becoming the best ever! He will give Wasim Akram a tough competition in future if he carries on like this in ODIs.
 
Dont even mention Johnson with him when it comes to ODIs please. Starc is easily the best ODI bowler currently.
 
He is the fastest bowler this tourney. Has beastly control and is swinging it.

Amazing talent.
 
His endeavors won't be limited to odi cricket , eventually he will make it big in test cricket as well. Too talent not to.
 
ATG stuff today as well. Going at 3 RPO while opposition is going at 6+ RPO defending a total above 350.
 
I just wish he could bowl like that with a red ball. Don't want another Brett Lee.

Bung was a scattergun in tests but still got 300 test wickets - I don't think Starc will get anywhere close. He'll just keep breaking down.
 
He is a good ODI bowler but he needs to prove himself in test cricket
 
na, thats wahab riaz

On average speed starc is the quickest, he's hit 150 on a regular base, therefore that's how quickest is judged, wahab apart from hitting 154 against india in general bin in 140s
 
he isnt half the bowler in subcontinent conditions
 
he isnt half the bowler in subcontinent conditions

Lol he's getting movement in the air not off the wicket at high speed therefore he's taking the surface out of the equation, youl find hel be a handfull on the subcontinent pitches
 
You guys dont get lejund. The problem isnt that the ranji batsmen lack quality becoz i have seen even tailenders play the likes of umesh & varun aaron well.
He has the uncanny ability to bowl the ball in the same spot for days not giving the batsmen anything to work with. He is a very intelligent bowler.
 
You guys dont get lejund. The problem isnt that the ranji batsmen lack quality becoz i have seen even tailenders play the likes of umesh & varun aaron well.
He has the uncanny ability to bowl the ball in the same spot for days not giving the batsmen anything to work with. He is a very intelligent bowler.

But some how we don't see that in international cricket. His debut in perth test was :facepalm: pathetic Bowler
 
Wickets in international matches are a disgrace. He is a swing bowler why would you play him in aus ?
 
Terrific bowler. Is about 90 mph average with consistent swing and a terrific Yorker. A class above all the other pacers in this World Cup
 
Bung was a scattergun in tests but still got 300 test wickets - I don't think Starc will get anywhere close. He'll just keep breaking down.

Yes but Lee had the advantage of bowling with McGrath, Gillespie and Warne resulting in him getting a lot of cheap wickets. I'm not sure he would have been that successful as a spearhead.
 
A clear mindset, a tweaked action and a flowing rhythm has Mitchell Starc entering Australia's Test squad as perhaps the form fast bowler in the country.

Starc picked up 6-102 in NSW's 223-run Marsh Sheffield Shield win over Western Australia and, as expected, was rewarded with selection in Australia's 14-man squad for the two-match Domain Test Series against Pakistan.

The left-armer's haul takes his Shield season wicket tally to 17, the equal second-most in the competition behind Queensland's Cameron Gannon with 18.

All but one of those 17 scalps have come in his past two first-class outings on dry pitches with a reverse-swinging ball against Tasmania at Drummoyne Oval and at the SCG this week, either side of the Gillette T20 series against Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

It marks a dramatic turnaround from his opening Shield game of the season at the Gabba, the venue for the first Test, where he collected 1-129 from 39 overs.

That match in Brisbane forced Starc into action, and with the aid of NSW bowling coach Andre Adams, the 29-year-old made subtle but significant changes that manifested into standout performances at domestic and international level.

"I've just been happy with the rhythm and things that I worked on to get in a clearer mindset," Starc said today in Sydney.

"The things that I worked on coming out of the Gabba Shield game into the Drummmoyne game, and being pretty focused and clear since the Gabba game and throughout the T20s as well is pretty pleasing for me.

"It's nice to contribute to wins for NSW and Australia and hopefully now having that mindset and that rhythm now, having worked on that the last few weeks, hopefully that can carry on through the summer."

Starc is one of five fast bowlers in the Test squad to face Pakistan, along with Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, James Pattinson and Michael Neser.

That quintet toured England for the Ashes, with veteran Peter Siddle, and as a pack put their ego aside to embrace a squad mentality when it came to selection.

The preservation of fast bowlers is a priority for Cricket Australia and the strategy of rotating through the quicks to suit the unique conditions of the UK played a big role in Australia retaining the urn on foreign soil for the first time in 19 years.
lia, with all five fast bowlers a genuine chance to play during the summer.

"We spoke about the squad mentality during the Ashes series and having five fast bowlers again it's going to be same thing," he said.

"'Ness' (Neser) bowled really well in that A game (against Pakistan in Perth) from the little pieces that I saw and from what I've heard.

"'Patto' (Pattinson) has been bowling really nicely and Joshy (Hazlewood), Patty (Cummins) and myself are pretty happy with how we've been progressing – Patty and I with the white ball and Josh as well in Adelaide.

"'Gaz' (off-spinner Nathan Lyon) does what Gaz does and he's a big part of the Australian team.

"We haven't come into camp yet but no doubt it will be a squad mentality with the fast bowlers."

Fitting five fast bowlers into three spots will be no easy task for national selectors, but once they complete that task the next conundrum is who gets the new ball.

Former Australia paceman Brett Lee wants Cummins to take it, as he and Hazlewood did in the first innings against WA this week.

Both Pattinson and Neser open the bowling for Victoria and Queensland respectively and, along with Starc, are the biggest swingers of the new ball.

Starc says all five are capable of taking the shiny Kookaburra and would be putting their hands up to take it.

"Everyone wants to but we're a very well-rounded attack," he said.

"We can all take the new ball, we can all bowl with the older ball, the reverse (swinging) ball as well.

"We've got the No.1 bowler in the world too.

"It's an exciting little time to get back into Test conditions.

"Once the XI is named we'll go from there."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mit...e-nsw-blues-sheffield-shield-ashes/2019-11-14
 
Bung was a scattergun in tests but still got 300 test wickets - I don't think Starc will get anywhere close. He'll just keep breaking down.

215 test wickets and counting. Has not broken down in 5 years despite being the quickest bowler on the planet.
 
215 test wickets and counting. Has not broken down in 5 years despite being the quickest bowler on the planet.

Archer and Wood are quicker bowlers, along with guys like Gabriel and Thomas from the Windies. Starc is nowhere near as quick as he was 5 years ago.

On top of that, it was just about a year ago he was recovering from an injury. The guys consistency, especially in tests, lacks due to his fitness issues, has been the case with many modern fast bowlers.
 
Archer and Wood are quicker bowlers, along with guys like Gabriel and Thomas from the Windies. Starc is nowhere near as quick as he was 5 years ago.

On top of that, it was just about a year ago he was recovering from an injury. The guys consistency, especially in tests, lacks due to his fitness issues, has been the case with many modern fast bowlers.

Starc maintains higher average speed in tests than any bowler currently active. None of the bowlers have sustained pace over the years like Starc has and across so many deliveries in tests.
 
Starc maintains higher average speed in tests than any bowler currently active. None of the bowlers have sustained pace over the years like Starc has and across so many deliveries in tests.

Agreed. Ferguson, Gabriel, Archer, Wood, Rabada Oshane, Bumrah and Wahab have all shown that they can breach the 150 barrier and on the odd occasion hit the low 150s. Starc, however, hits those speeds consistently and has sustained that pace even after the action change, and remarkably even when in or out of form.
 
Starc maintains higher average speed in tests than any bowler currently active. None of the bowlers have sustained pace over the years like Starc has and across so many deliveries in tests.

I'd be curious to see where you got these numbers from? And I'd be curious what you mean by "average speed", is it a mean or mode?
 
Cricket Australia have managed Starc's workload brilliantly
 
Starc needs to prove a lot in Tests.

Not the same bowler. Far below other top Test bowlers.
 
Fair enough, still doesnt include Archer who surely has overtaken him (I have never seen Starc hit 97 mph) and Wood who can also be very quick.

Archer has only played 5 tests. Starc has an average speed of 142.88 kph over every delivery of his 52 test matches. Let archer maintain his pace such a long period. Then we can compare.
 
Archer has only played 5 tests. Starc has an average speed of 142.88 kph over every delivery of his 52 test matches. Let archer maintain his pace such a long period. Then we can compare.

Thats fair enough, I'm just saying Starc is no longer the quickest and he is still an injury concern. if it wasn't for the latter he could have become one the truly great all format cricketers but I don't think he will anymore.
 
Yes but Lee had the advantage of bowling with McGrath, Gillespie and Warne resulting in him getting a lot of cheap wickets. I'm not sure he would have been that successful as a spearhead.

You could argue the opposite and say there was not a lot of wickets left to take after those guys!!
 
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