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[VIDEOS] Mitchell Starc - On the road to becoming the best ever?

You could argue the opposite and say there was not a lot of wickets left to take after those guys!!

that maybe true but whenever he led the attack in their absence australia couldn't win a few games, lost one or two that i can remember off the top of my head. If gillespie himself wasn't as good when Mcgrath wasnt playing as we saw in 2003 then the argument doesn't even stand for lee.
 
With Australia gearing up for the two-match Test series against Pakistan, former captain Ricky Ponting feels that pacer Mitchell Starc will have to produce "something pretty special" in the nets to get into Australia's starting XI. With Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood and Nathan Lyon pinning down their spots, there is one vacant slot for a bowler, and the competition is between Mitchell Starc and James Pattinson to fill it up. Ponting feels that the lack of chances given to Starc in The Ashes earlier this year means that the team management may be inclined towards giving Pattinson the nod in the first Test in Brisbane.

"I absolutely love everything that Mitchell Starc brings to the table," Ponting told cricket.com.au.

"But at the same time, they've been reluctant to play him in the last few series. He only played the one Ashes Test match and he did OK in that game," the former Australia skipper said.

Starc bagged four wickets at Old Trafford - the lone Test that he played in The Ashes.

Ponting also said that Pattinson has a better record at the Gabba and that the surface favoured him.

"That's the other thing that might go in his (Pattinson's) favour; in a place where the ball does swing a bit, he generally pitches it up and takes it away from the right-handers," he explained.

"I think (Starc) will have to do something pretty special at training to be part of that team," Ponting said.

However, he said that the kind of form Hazlewood and Cummins are enjoying in terms of taking wickets and maintaining low economy rates meant that an "out-and-out" wicket taker like Starc had a shot at a spot in the team.

"The reluctance to play Starc (in the past) has been that he has generally leaked runs. But what we know with Hazlewood and Cummins is they're not leaking runs and they've been outstanding for a long time now. Not only are they getting guys out, they're making it harder to score as well," Ponting said.

"So maybe with those two on top of their games, there's a chance to play someone like Starc as more of an out-and-out wicket-taker that might leak a few runs," he concluded.

The first match of the series at the Gabba begins on November 21 with the second Test scheduled to be a day-night Test in Adelaide.

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Mitchell Starc tore his toe open. He still took more wickets than Pakistan in the series

Mitchell Starc has revealed he played through significant pain in Adelaide after tearing his toe open during the match.

At some point during Pakistan’s first innings the tall left-armer “cut my toe open”, and then he also seemed to roll his ankle at the start of their second innings on Sunday evening.

Still he took seven wickets for the match, starring with 6-66 in the first innings.

“I cut my toe open in the first innings at some point,” he told ABC Grandstand after Australia secured the series 2-0 on Monday.

“It wasn’t too much fun slamming that down, it took a few balls to get that pain threshold away.”

It’s all the more remarkable when realising Starc actually took more wickets than Pakistan for the series.

Pakistan could only manage 13 Australian wickets over the two games in Brisbane and Adelaide. Starc took seven at each venue to finish the series with 14-238 at an average of 17.00.

David Warner was named man of the series for his hundred in Brisbane and triple in Adelaide.

Nathan Lyon took five-for in the second innings at his old home Adelaide Oval.

“To win by an innings again was set up by our batters but another fantastic job by our bowlers,” Starc said.

Australia now heads to Perth next week to take on New Zealand.
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Starc has a lot of PR for an Aussie player who is not as talented as Mcgrath
 
Starc's problem is accuracy. He can't land the ball in same spot for more than 3 balls. or even within the acceptable range.
 
yea no. mcgrath way better. Starc is pretty average in tests. His stats are always padded like philander.

in odi too. His stats are padded. He doesn't play a lot of games. But credit should be given to him for maintaining his average. Definitely a great odi bowler.
 
Starc has a lot of PR for an Aussie player who is not as talented as Mcgrath

He is an insanely good white ball bowler and had two great world cups. In tests, he's not bad - averages 27.6 .
Don't think anyone rates him as highly in tests.
 
Prior to this series he averaged 37 against top 7 batsman and 13 or so against tail enders. One of the most overrated test bowlers in the world.
 
Last summer India exposed this bowler at home. He anyways has a weak record in India and SA.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Peter Nevill declared while Mitch Starc was on 86*...<br><br>The quick wasn't too happy! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SheffieldShield?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SheffieldShield</a> <a href="https://t.co/NQLTkh1L0w">pic.twitter.com/NQLTkh1L0w</a></p>— cricket.com.au (@cricketcomau) <a href="https://twitter.com/cricketcomau/status/1326066641986154497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Great bowler but his pace and intimdation clearly doesn't work against India.
 
So after 80 overs in the decisive Test, after Tea on Day 5, India are 228-3.

But Starc has 16-0-75-0.

He doesn’t know how to bowl with a red ball. Thirty years old and he doesn’t understand the red ball game.
 
Mitchell Starc has become the first bowler to take 50 wickets in day/light test matches

9 Tests 50 wickets 18.10 avge 35.1 strike rate
 
Test cricket priority for Starc but had 'strong opinions' on being benched during T20 World Cup

Australia pacer Mitchell Starc said that playing Test cricket is his priority but had 'strong opinions' when he was benched during the T20 World Cup game against Afghanistan.

Australia still went on to win the match but the victory margin wasn't enough, which helped England in qualifying for the semi-finals when they beat Sri Lanka later in the day. The hosts had to make an exit from the tournament and Starc's omission became a point of debate in the aftermath of their World Cup performance.

Starc has now opened up on his omission, saying that he did discuss a lot of things with the Chair of Selectors George Bailey after the mega event.

"George and I have spoken and that is where it will stay," Starc said after picking up four wickets during the second ODI against England.

"I had strong opinions on it and had a conversation, and that's where it is. I spoke to George at length, it was a good conversation. Many different things were floated there."

The left-arm pacer also went on to mention that playing in the 2024 T20 World Cup is one of his goals but there's still a lot of time to go and a lot of work to be done.

"I still have ambitions to play T20 cricket for Australia but it is a long time to the next one and a lot of water to go under the bridge," he said. "So we will face that when we get to that," he added.

Many are of the opinion that Starc's decision to not play IPL has hindered his growth as a T20 bowler. But he doesn't regret it as the break and the rest has helped him immensely to do better in Test cricket, which remains his priority.

"It may have [hampered T20 bowling] but if I'd gone there, having no break and playing 12 months of the year, what does that affect? Do I break down? Does it affect my red-ball cricket?

"You can't just sit there and go 'he should go to the IPL' because he'd be a better T20 bowler. What's the downside of that? Do I give away a format of the game because I'm playing 12 months of the year? In my mind I don't regret any of those decisions not to go. I wouldn't change it.

"I feel like particularly last year, if I take my Test cricket from the last 12-18 months, and how that's benefited from the break that I've had through IPL periods, that's paid for itself I guess.

"It's always been my decision, and that is part of the reason that I do it, to give myself that break physically and mentally. And the other side of it is to see and spend time with my wife [Alysaa Healy] away from cricket. It's hard enough juggling one cricket schedule, let alone two."


Starc will also be crucial to Australia's plans for the 50-over World Cup, which is going to be played in India next year. He also has ambitions of playing in the 2024 World Cup but these two events may well bring an end to his desire of being active in the white-ball format as he has already dropped big hints that he wants to stay fresh for Test cricket.

"Tests always first…far above white-ball [cricket]. I'll decide on the rest as I go, where my body is at and how I feel about it. I would love to, selection and form pending, continue playing Test cricket as long as I can," the 32-year-old said.

"It's certainly impossible at the moment to play every game as a three-format player. We've seen that over the last few years, sometimes there are two Australian teams playing at the same time in different continents in different formats. They see a break and put a series on. I think having those periods of time to rest may help me keep bowling at decent speeds for a period of time. I don't think playing three formats is something I can [continue] for a long period of time moving forward now," Starc added.


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Peter Nevill declared while Mitch Starc was on 86*...<br><br>The quick wasn't too happy! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SheffieldShield?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SheffieldShield</a> <a href="https://t.co/NQLTkh1L0w">pic.twitter.com/NQLTkh1L0w</a></p>— cricket.com.au (@cricketcomau) <a href="https://twitter.com/cricketcomau/status/1326066641986154497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

P selfish from Starc. It’s not like he was on 98 or 99*.

Who knows how long it would’ve taken him to get to a 100 when he was at 86. You can’t just waste overs in a test match when you’re in a strong position so everyone can pad up their stats.
 
Test cricket priority for Starc but had 'strong opinions' on being benched during T20 World Cup

Australia pacer Mitchell Starc said that playing Test cricket is his priority but had 'strong opinions' when he was benched during the T20 World Cup game against Afghanistan.

Australia still went on to win the match but the victory margin wasn't enough, which helped England in qualifying for the semi-finals when they beat Sri Lanka later in the day. The hosts had to make an exit from the tournament and Starc's omission became a point of debate in the aftermath of their World Cup performance.

Starc has now opened up on his omission, saying that he did discuss a lot of things with the Chair of Selectors George Bailey after the mega event.

"George and I have spoken and that is where it will stay," Starc said after picking up four wickets during the second ODI against England.

"I had strong opinions on it and had a conversation, and that's where it is. I spoke to George at length, it was a good conversation. Many different things were floated there."

The left-arm pacer also went on to mention that playing in the 2024 T20 World Cup is one of his goals but there's still a lot of time to go and a lot of work to be done.

"I still have ambitions to play T20 cricket for Australia but it is a long time to the next one and a lot of water to go under the bridge," he said. "So we will face that when we get to that," he added.

Many are of the opinion that Starc's decision to not play IPL has hindered his growth as a T20 bowler. But he doesn't regret it as the break and the rest has helped him immensely to do better in Test cricket, which remains his priority.

"It may have [hampered T20 bowling] but if I'd gone there, having no break and playing 12 months of the year, what does that affect? Do I break down? Does it affect my red-ball cricket?

"You can't just sit there and go 'he should go to the IPL' because he'd be a better T20 bowler. What's the downside of that? Do I give away a format of the game because I'm playing 12 months of the year? In my mind I don't regret any of those decisions not to go. I wouldn't change it.

"I feel like particularly last year, if I take my Test cricket from the last 12-18 months, and how that's benefited from the break that I've had through IPL periods, that's paid for itself I guess.

"It's always been my decision, and that is part of the reason that I do it, to give myself that break physically and mentally. And the other side of it is to see and spend time with my wife [Alysaa Healy] away from cricket. It's hard enough juggling one cricket schedule, let alone two."


Starc will also be crucial to Australia's plans for the 50-over World Cup, which is going to be played in India next year. He also has ambitions of playing in the 2024 World Cup but these two events may well bring an end to his desire of being active in the white-ball format as he has already dropped big hints that he wants to stay fresh for Test cricket.

"Tests always first…far above white-ball [cricket]. I'll decide on the rest as I go, where my body is at and how I feel about it. I would love to, selection and form pending, continue playing Test cricket as long as I can," the 32-year-old said.

"It's certainly impossible at the moment to play every game as a three-format player. We've seen that over the last few years, sometimes there are two Australian teams playing at the same time in different continents in different formats. They see a break and put a series on. I think having those periods of time to rest may help me keep bowling at decent speeds for a period of time. I don't think playing three formats is something I can [continue] for a long period of time moving forward now," Starc added.


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Can’t help wondering if Australia’s fortunes in the T20 World Cup would have been somewhat different with Mitchell Starc in the team. He has made a huge difference in this ODI series.
 
Needs to be brought back in for the 2nd Ashes Test, probably in place of Hazelwood, as Boland is made for Lords.

Every team needs a tail cleaner.
 
Needs to be brought back in for the 2nd Ashes Test, probably in place of Hazelwood, as Boland is made for Lords.

Every team needs a tail cleaner.

I don't know about that. Starc isn't really a blow them away sort of bowler in Tests. Plus he loses his composure when the opposition goes after him and Eng are surely going to do that.

A fit and firing Hazelwood will be superior in Tests IMO.

His status as an ATG LOI bowler has been cemented already
 
Mitchell Starc speaking in an interview about his IPL ambitions:

"Look it's been eight years. I'm definitely going back in [next] year"

"Amongst other things, it's a great lead-up to the T20 World Cup."

“So a good opportunity to see if anyone's interested in the IPL, then lead into the T20 World Cup. And it's somewhat of a quiet winter next year…in comparison to this winter, so I think a perfect opportunity to put my name in.”
 
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Tests still 'top of the tree' despite Starc's IPL windfall

Fast bowler is copping plenty of grief for record auction price, but it has not changed his outlook

Mitchell Starc's Indian Premier League windfall has not shifted his continued prioritisation of the longest format as the left-armer reiterated his desire to play every Test this summer.

After the Kolkata Knight Riders this week made him the most expensive buy in IPL history with their winning bid of A$4.41m at this week’s auction, Starc admits he has copped plenty of grief from teammates leading into the NRMA Insurance Boxing Day Test against Pakistan.

"Certainly the bowlers have been giving Greeny (Cameron Green) stick for last 12 months for his IPL stuff and he didn't miss a chance yesterday or today," the 33-year-old said after he broke Green's record as the most expensive Australian purchase in the IPL.

"It's probably fair – he's copped it for 12 months."

Australia look set to field an unchanged team on an MCG pitch expected to sport six-to-seven millimetres of grass, slightly less than what has been left on the two tracks prepared for the two Marsh Sheffield Shield games hosted there this season.

But the hosts' settled line-up and convincing start to the Test summer after their 360-run win over Pakistan in Perth has meant there has been more intrigue over the amounts forked out by IPL teams for the Aussies’ leading players.

Starc has not played in the last eight editions of cricket's most lucrative tournament, instead using the April-May 'leave' period to recharge his body and spend time with his equally busy wife Alyssa Healy, the Australian women's team captain.

But this year's IPL fits conveniently into a quiet year (at least compared to the men's team's 2023 campaign that saw them play in four marquee series and tournaments) that has a T20 World Cup as its main draw.

"Red ball is still top of the tree for me," Starc told reporters at the MCG two days out from its iconic annual fixture.

"I think my body will let me know (when it’s time to give up) Test cricket before I want to, but it's an opportune year next year.

"It's a lot quieter, there's no Test match between the ones in New Zealand in March and the summer next year.

"There's a T20 World cup, it's a nice lead-in to that with the IPL and the quality of cricket that tournament presents. In terms of the schedule, it's much more quiet."

The IPL has become the highest standard annual T20 competition and Australia's team management see it as a golden opportunity for players to tune up for the USA and Caribbean-hosted ICC event in June.

Pat Cummins ($3.67m) million and Travis Head ($1.21m) both got picked up by Sunrisers Hyderabad, joining fellow Test players David Warner, Mitch Marsh (both retained by Delhi Capitals) and Green (traded to Royal Challengers Bangalore) who will play in next year’s IPL.

Steve Smith and Josh Hazlewood both missed out in the auction but could receive call-ups closer to the tournament getting underway.

Those who do play in the IPL will have a significant advantage over their all-format counterparts who don't given the focus on Test and 50-over cricket over the past 12 months.

Since Australia's failed T20 title defence on home soil at the beginning of last summer, they have played just two T20I series. The Test players missed the bulk of those matches, including Starc, who was dropped for the final match of their T20 World Cup campaign.

He denied that was a motivating factor, insisting: "I haven't thought about it.

"It's just an opportune time to put my name back in (for the IPL) and see if I was wanted," he said.

"Instead of bowling in the nets in in April and May – generally there's no better there (to face him) – so it's much more interesting to go and play in an IPL and test myself against the best."

Including last week's victory in Perth, Australia's run of seven Tests this summer (three against Pakistan, two against West Indies and two in New Zealand) are spread out over the space of three months.

It’s relative a breeze next to the six Tests in seven-and-a-half weeks Australia played on their UK tour earlier this year, or even the 11 ODIs in six weeks they played in their World Cup triumph.

"It's certainly not a schedule like what we had in the Ashes," said Starc.

"We've had a few days in between Perth and coming to Melbourne, and then there's a few days between the Pakistan series and the West Indies series. Then we've got white-ball series (against the Windies and NZ) in between our Test summer and going to New Zealand.

"We look back at the Ashes schedule and having six Test matches in eight weeks was something that doesn't happen all the time. The way we're all feeling at the minute, we're ready to go."

Starc's confidence of playing all the upcoming Tests is also built on how his body has overcome a series of physical concerns that remained with him through the ODI World Cup.

The paceman had groin and shoulder concerns after the jam-packed UK tour and revealed he had to tweak his training methods in India to manage his way through the tournament. He missed just a solitary match and saved arguably his best two performances for the semi-final and final.

"I don't think you're ever 100 per cent, but I think I probably finished the World Cup better than I started in terms of how my body felt," he said.

"There were a few issues there after the Ashes that we didn't know about until we got home. We managed them pretty well through a World Cup and they looked after themselves enough to be able to perform at back end.

"A couple of weeks in between then and getting stuck into the summer, and I feel in a really good place."

 
He is on the decline now have lost his pace significantly.

might be another year for him to play cricket.
 
He looks like the most accomplished batsman at number 8.

Any guess where he will end up by the end of his career?



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Let's give him his due credit too.

651 international wickets @25.3 with 23 5-fers is terrific for a genuine fast bowler and he is not yet done also.
 
During the 2nd Test match against West Indies, Starc came back into the attack and got a wicket! Carey holds on behind the wickets and Athanaze is out for 8.

350 Test wickets now for the Australian left-arm pacer. Brilliant.
 
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He is already one of the best of all time.

He won 3 world titles. He won Ashes. He is 3rd in terms of most wickets in ODI World Cups (just 7 wickets away from being #1).
 
Excellent fast bowler. Not sure if I would consider him a great of the game.

He has finally succumbed to the IPL. He was the last hold out so to speak. But now, not.

I guess when he saw his captain commit 25% of his time to IPL, he followed. In fact he outdid his captain with a larger pay day. I am sure $6 million+ over three years is irresistible.
 
On this day, one of the future legends of the game was born.

Happy birthday to the guy who won the ODI World Cup, T20 World Cup & WTC champion. He was the Player of the 2015 ODI World Cup. Has more than 350 Test wickets and still counting, Mitchell Starc.
 
Starc surpasses Lillee as Australia dominate New Zealand batters in Christchurch

The experienced left-armer rose to fourth on the list of Australian Test wicket-takers following a three-wicket haul against New Zealand.

Mitchell Starc overtook fellow quick Dennis Lillee on the list for most Test wickets by an Australian bowler as the reigning ICC World Test Championship winners dominated the first two sessions on the opening day of the second Test against New Zealand.

Starc claimed figures of 3/59 to help dismiss the Kiwis for 162 at Hagley Oval and in the process went past Lillee's total of 355 Test scalps to become fourth on the list for most Test wickets by an Australian.

Most Test wickets by an Australian Men's player

Shane Warne708
Glenn McGrath563
Nathan Lyon527
Mitchell Starc357
Dennis Lillee355
Only Shane Warne (708), Glenn McGrath (563) and Nathan Lyon (527) now lie in front of Starc's total of 357, while fellow pacer Josh Hazlewood (271) is also making ground after his five-wicket haul of 5/31 against New Zealand.

Australia's bowlers dominated the early stages in Christchurch, with the 100th Test celebrations for Kiwi duo Kane Williamson and Tim Southee quickly subdued as the visitors showed their mettle with yet another impressive performance with the ball.

Opener Tom Latham (38) was the only New Zealand batter to score greater than 30, while the world's No.1 ranked Test batter Kane Williamson (17) was one of Hazlewood's five victims as he trapped the Kiwi LBW early in the middle session.

Starc followed suit with wickets in consecutive deliveries and only some late hitting from Matt Henry (29) and Southee (26) allowed the hosts to sneak past 150 after they were sent into bat first by Australia skipper Pat Cummins.

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Star pacer Mitchell Starc reached a major milestone in his 100th Test as he surpassed former pacer Brett Lee in the list of most wickets for Australia.

With his tally of 719 wickets, Mitchell Starc has become the third-highest wicket-taker for Australia across all formats of the game.

He surpassed former pacer Brett Lee, who picked up 718 wickets for Australia in international cricket.
 
Best all-format fast bowler to debut in the last 20 years.

700+ international wickets
100 Tests
Close to 400 wickets in Tests
2x ODI World Cups
T20 World Cup
WTC
Man of the tournament in the 2015 World Cup
Only 6 behind McGrath in terms of most wickets in World Cup history having played 9 less matches
He has also broken the 160 kph barrier

One of the greatest fast bowlers in history. A legend of the game. He has had a far better career than Bumrah can even imagine but you won’t hear Australians shove it down your throat 24/7 because that is the difference between a secure and an insecure nation.
 
Funny how longevity suddenly becomes important for fans.

Great achievement for Starc nevertheless. But he is not a benchmark in Test cricket despite having the longevity due to his inability to consistently bowl in the channel which Hazelwood and Cummins do spectacularly. :inti
 
Funny how longevity suddenly becomes important for fans.

Great achievement for Starc nevertheless. But he is not a benchmark in Test cricket despite having the longevity due to his inability to consistently bowl in the channel which Hazelwood and Cummins do spectacularly. :inti
He is the benchmark for all formats though.

You guys should appreciate a players overall career rather then applying filters.

Kohli as an all format player is greatest of all time. If you evaluate him only as a test player you will see an avg player, but overall as test captain, odi player and t20 player he is solid.

Starc won 2 world cups, 2015 is 200% due to him. That cup was the greatest bowling performance in wc history and it came in a much harder 2 new ball era.

He has won a cup in every format for Australia and contributed to 4 trophy wins in their cabinet.

As a test bowler Bumrah may be better statically but he isn't better in terms of impact. Starc has still won more.

Averages aren't everything. However yes Bumrah is better as a bowler though if you are looking at statistics and who is genuinely harder to play.
 
He may not be as consistent as a Wasim Akram. But his highs are the highest I have seen of a left arm pacer. On his day even Wasim was not as lethal as Starc.
 
Steyn has an underwhelming ODI record though. Starc is closer to him in Tests than he is to Starc in ODIs.
Yes. I also think peak Steyn was better than peak Starc in Test only.

However, if you consider all formats, Starc is better than Steyn.

Steyn is a better Test bowler. Starc is a better ODI bowler. Starc is actually not close to Steyn in Tests than Steyn is to Starc in ODIs.

T20Is I think both are equal. T20s, I don't really care because if Imran Khan Jr can boss it then anyone can.

I have ended up putting Steyn ahead slightly just because I rate Test Cricket as the best format of Cricket.
 
Steyn is a better Test bowler. Starc is a better ODI bowler. Starc is actually not close to Steyn in Tests than Steyn is to Starc in ODIs.

T20Is I think both are equal. T20s, I don't really care because if Imran Khan Jr can boss it then anyone can.

I have ended up putting Steyn ahead slightly just because I rate Test Cricket as the best format of Cricket.

I see. Fair enough.
 
I used to think Shaheen was on track to become as good as Starc.
He still can. His stat in T20Is is better than Starc. In ODIs, he is very close to Starc, but the sample size is small.

The real question is. Can Shaheen get back to his best with red ball? Does he have it in him to challenge the Test arena.
 
He still can. His stat in T20Is is better than Starc. In ODIs, he is very close to Starc, but the sample size is small.

The real question is. Can Shaheen get back to his best with red ball? Does he have it in him to challenge the Test arena.
Shaheen is done.

He bowls at 130-135.

Starc is in much better physical condition.
 
With 100 Tests and 400 wickets in the bag, Mitchell Starc went on to set a new record to take a Test five-for in fewest balls.

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He still can. His stat in T20Is is better than Starc. In ODIs, he is very close to Starc, but the sample size is small.

The real question is. Can Shaheen get back to his best with red ball? Does he have it in him to challenge the Test arena.
Shaheen losing interest in red ball isnt a surprise since they gave him garbage home pitches and ran him into the ground
 
Starc - 400 wickets
Lyon - 500 wickets
Cummins will get 400 wickets in future. And there we have Pakistanis who can’t even produce a fast bowler that picks 200 wickets in last 20 years.
 
Starc - 400 wickets
Lyon - 500 wickets
Cummins will get 400 wickets in future. And there we have Pakistanis who can’t even produce a fast bowler that picks 200 wickets in last 20 years.
How many tests does Pakistan play?

They currently play a total of 26-28 tests every 4 years on average lol.

It is not easy for lower boards to schedule test series
 
How many tests does Pakistan play?
This is the only thing people miss... Starc plays a heavy number of games and he a great bowler no doubt but You gotta play test cricket to match those numbers and Pakistan is not playing that many.
 
How many tests does Pakistan play?

They currently play a total of 26-28 tests every 4 years on average lol.

It is not easy for lower boards to schedule test series
The benchmark is not some 400-500 wickets but only 200 wickets and they get to play minnow nations a lot. Younis Khan went on to score 10,000 runs and you can’t tell me they can’t produce a fast bowler with 200+ wickets.
 
The benchmark is not some 400-500 wickets but only 200 wickets and they get to play minnow nations a lot. Younis Khan went on to score 10,000 runs and you can’t tell me they can’t produce a fast bowler with 200+ wickets.
Shifting goal posts and ofcourse the cheerleader likes the post.

YK has played a number of tests and played back when many tests were hosted in UAE. He played across multiple eras.

This is why measuring a player on number of wickets, no of runs will always remain a stupid metric as it is no of matches dependant.

Pakistan has a crap test bowling lineup but you guys have extremely faulty metrics.

Longetivity metrics should only apply to players who played a no of games yet remained consistent. Mcgrath, Wasim, Sachin etc etc.

200 test wickets is a stupid metrics and always will be.

Scott boland is better then 90% of Pakistani bowlers in history yet he doesnt have 200 wickets due to lack of games.

^^ See why your metric is faulty?
 
He will retire after the Ashes for sure. Has done more than enough, I don’t think he has anything else left to achieve.
 
Shifting goal posts and ofcourse the cheerleader likes the post.

YK has played a number of tests and played back when many tests were hosted in UAE. He played across multiple eras.

This is why measuring a player on number of wickets, no of runs will always remain a stupid metric as it is no of matches dependant.

Pakistan has a crap test bowling lineup but you guys have extremely faulty metrics.

Longetivity metrics should only apply to players who played a no of games yet remained consistent. Mcgrath, Wasim, Sachin etc etc.

200 test wickets is a stupid metrics and always will be.

Scott boland is better then 90% of Pakistani bowlers in history yet he doesnt have 200 wickets due to lack of games.

^^ See why your metric is faulty?
Yes measuring purely on count of wickets is incorrect. You have to consider bowling averages. But 10-20 matches sample isn’t enough. It should be 40-50 for a pacer and 70-80 for batsman.
 
Yes measuring purely on count of wickets is incorrect. You have to consider bowling averages. But 10-20 matches sample isn’t enough. It should be 40-50 for a pacer and 70-80 for batsman.
No of matches is also a metric that is out of their hands. Their are plenty of reasons why a pacer or batter will never have a career due to politics.

Sheryas Iyer is better then Karun Nair in test cricket by miles despite issues with the short ball but management doesnt believe in him.

A player should be evaluated based of performance in the time span that they played in.

For example i can state that Ryan Ten doeshant is one of the best players nedtherlands has ever produced but I cannot say he is > Sachin due to average since majority of his scores come vs Minnows.

We all know prime teams such 2015 Australia would have wrecked him no diff.

An eye test is also Important. I can easily tell Boland > Hazlewood despite him not having tue career hazlewood had and I can tell Ryan ten doeshant is just an Okay batsmen despite a monster avg which is fradulent for very obvious reasons.
 
No of matches is also a metric that is out of their hands. Their are plenty of reasons why a pacer or batter will never have a career due to politics.

Sheryas Iyer is better then Karun Nair in test cricket by miles despite issues with the short ball but management doesnt believe in him.

A player should be evaluated based of performance in the time span that they played in.

For example i can state that Ryan Ten doeshant is one of the best players nedtherlands has ever produced but I cannot say he is > Sachin due to average since majority of his scores come vs Minnows.

We all know prime teams such 2015 Australia would have wrecked him no diff.

An eye test is also Important. I can easily tell Boland > Hazlewood despite him not having tue career hazlewood had and I can tell Ryan ten doeshant is just an Okay batsmen despite a monster avg which is fradulent for very obvious reasons.
You can hold your opinions, nothing wrong with that.

I have watched Hazelwood play international cricket from 10 years and Boland burst into test scenes only last 3 years, he played some ODI cricket way back in 2015 vs India when Kohli and Sharma scored 300 runs for fun. I followed their careers enough to know that Hazelwood is better bowler. Boland is very condition specific bowler.
 
You can hold your opinions, nothing wrong with that.

I have watched Hazelwood play international cricket from 10 years and Boland burst into test scenes only last 3 years, he played some ODI cricket way back in 2015 vs India when Kohli and Sharma scored 300 runs for fun. I followed their careers enough to know that Hazelwood is better bowler. Boland is very condition specific bowler.
Hazlewood is better in odi. Boland is not a whiteball bowler, no one disagrees on that.
 
Hazlewood is better in odi. Boland is not a whiteball bowler, no one disagrees on that.
Boland is having a purple patch in conditions which he enjoys bowling. Put him in these same conditions 5 years ago and he won’t have done much. Being dominant in certain conditions for few years is not same as being dominant in those conditions for many years. Hazelwood outside Asia has been excellent for many years. Anderson is regarded as great because he was excellent in those conditions for two decades. Same for Ashwin and Jadeja.

Boland is not at that level yet. Neither are Axar Patel, Noman and Sajid.
 
Boland is having a purple patch in conditions which he enjoys bowling. Put him in these same conditions 5 years ago and he won’t have done much. Being dominant in certain conditions for few years is not same as being dominant in those conditions for many years. Hazelwood outside Asia has been excellent for many years. Anderson is regarded as great because he was excellent in those conditions for two decades. Same for Ashwin and Jadeja.

Boland is not at that level yet.
What purple patch? His whole test career has been a purple patch where he averages 16.

Sadly AU doesnt trust him for some reason.
 
What purple patch? His whole test career has been a purple patch where he averages 16.

Sadly AU doesnt trust him for some reason.
A test career of 20 tests is a purple patch only. Axar Patel whole test career is also a purple patch and his bowl avg would also be same.
 
Boland is having a purple patch in conditions which he enjoys bowling. Put him in these same conditions 5 years ago and he won’t have done much. Being dominant in certain conditions for few years is not same as being dominant in those conditions for many years. Hazelwood outside Asia has been excellent for many years. Anderson is regarded as great because he was excellent in those conditions for two decades. Same for Ashwin and Jadeja.

Boland is not at that level yet. Neither are Axar Patel, Noman and Sajid.
Boland played 2 matches in eng where pitches were roads and got 3 wickets .he has an avg of 115 with sr of 142(25 overs for a wicket).its almost dinda level.Hazlewood can suffocate opposition on any pitch.

 
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