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[VIDEOS] Naseem Shah - A failed experiment?

moghul said:
Looks like Sameen has no backing , otherwise he should have been given chance at national level by now. He is young , has lively pace and has been doing well for many years now .
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He is playing for PZ and has shown enough in PSL too to get selected for the national side. but may be needs to bribe ppl to get his chances coming his way..
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
That Green wicket is a hall of famer. Not seen anything like it for a long time from a Pakistani bowler.

A bowler who can take the pitch out of the equation.
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That was pure skill on display.

Usually it always takes a special delivery to get a set any batsman out, but this one was unplayable considering conditions!
 
Rana said:
Is Swepson and Hassan Ali a failed experiment also?
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Swepson is good, they are backing him.. Swepson will be the next big leg spinner i think and probably be the mainstay of a spinner in Aus test side after Lyon.

Hasan Ali performed well in tests last year , but right from the WT20 and from that drop catch he has been horrible ..

Need some time away from cricket to lift himself up to get back in rhythm, also carrying a niggle..

Shadab also carrying niggles for a long time now since last year.
 
Rana said:
England, Australia, South Africa and West Indies, teams that have a culture of producing legendary fast bowlers would be highly reluctant to give a 20 year old a Test debut. Even if Naseem is 19-20, the bowler is still a very good one. I look at the ability to consistently hit the same length, with the patience required and at the same intensity as the key marker. I believe Naseem has that. You must also remember that we have not seen what he’s about with the brand new ball instead of the semi new one.

England had no reason to pick Anderson on away tours to the Sub-continent/UAE knowing that he is not the threat, but they knew that the guy is still their most reliable bowler who will go at 3 runs and take 3-4 wickets at the end of a long toiling spell. Naseem will have to be patient and he will become that bowler who takes wickets @25-27, which is all you need really to be a world class bowler.
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InshaAllah he will come through for us.
 
Major said:
in two years this was his first good display against a quality side. He is still a failed experiment in test cricket. To consider him to be a good bowler, i would wait to see if he is consistent in test.

However, i do believe he should be in the limited overs side.
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But PPT selector goes with three leg spinners for a home series with 20 men squad..
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Swepson is good, they are backing him.. Swepson will be the next big leg spinner i think and probably be the mainstay of a spinner in Aus test side after Lyon.

Hasan Ali performed well in tests last year , but right from the WT20 and from that drop catch he has been horrible ..

Need some time away from cricket to lift himself up to get back in rhythm, also carrying a niggle..

Shadab also carrying niggles for a long time now since last year.
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Swepson averages 32 in FC as well. That’s like saying the next big batsman in the future will be averaging 43 when he establishes himself.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
I hope he take a 6fer and wins it for Pakistan.

But we have to bat for 2 days for that to happen :babar
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The spinners will hopefully win it for Pakistan

But I do hope he takes a couple of big wickets, bang Bang back to back to set up the win!
 
Kroll said:
So he’s really 22 and not 19?

Blatant cheating age fudgers.
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It's not always age-fudging. Alot of people in Pakistan just don't have birth certificates. Especially those living in rural areas. Naseem hails from Dir which in some respects is still a pretty remote area used to be even more remote some 20 years ago.

Birth certificates themselves are a relatively new phenomenon in Pakistan and started around the 1970s. And I would not be surprised to learn that most people in Pakistan's rural areas simply donot have birth certificates to this day.
 
Have to say I am impressed by the decision to play him. It was a risk, but definitely an attacking selection. Because though Faheem provides an extra batting option, his bowling is usually more about line and length and building pressure. And while that's helpful on a pitch with some life in it, on a flat road you need more than one guy who can bowl with serious pace. Because without a certain level of pace the reverse-swing just isn't threatening enough.

But now the Top 6 minus Imam have to do really well because we've got a long tail.
 
:broad ball to Green.

He has a lot of penance to pay for his "fear in the eyes of the batsmen" statement, but good way to start a possible 2.0
 
Brilliant spell. Bowling 145 clicks in his 30th over is serious quality. What impressed me the most was the immaculate control he had and at that pace too. He was hitting that off stump channel ball after ball, bowled a ridiculous amount of maiden overs, 14/31.

And that delivery to Green was just beautiful, reverse swing at its very best.
 
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Glad he was selected for test as an attacking option. The best thing about his performance in 1st inns was he bowled with control, to a plan, no easy hit me balls. seem to know what he wanted to do against each batsmen. Bowled brilliantly with the old ball. deserved more then 4 wickets he got, he will only get better with time.
 
He's improved so much in the last 3 years. Looks like a proper test bowler now.
I was afraid he'd lost some pace in the middle when he was playing against Bangladesh and then in the PSL. Rest assured he hasn't. He has been genuinely quick this series despite the hefty workload, comfortably the quickest bowler on display based on average speeds.
About the Archer comparison, well it's true Archer has a better skill set and more weapons specially the bounce he can get simply because he is so much taller. Pace however isn't one of them. His peak pace might be higher than Naseem but on average speed, Naseem is quicker. We saw that quite clearly in the England series 2 years back where it was 86mph vs 89mph.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Brilliant spell. Bowling 145 clicks in his 30th over is serious quality. What impressed me the most was the immaculate control he had and at that pace too. He was hitting that off stump channel ball after ball, bowled a ridiculous amount of maiden overs, 14/31.

And that delivery to Green was just beautiful, reverse swing at its very best.
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He was setting thr batesman up quite well with the odd ball moving away.
 
Major said:
in two years this was his first good display against a quality side. He is still a failed experiment in test cricket. To consider him to be a good bowler, i would wait to see if he is consistent in test.

However, i do believe he should be in the limited overs side.
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How can he be a failed experiment when he just bowled out the Aussies. Failed experiment is picking two joke spinners for this series and giving them the whole series
 
The Scorer said:
Naseem is a better version of Hasan Ali, same trajectory but more pace and threat. Hasan Ali should now be dropped. Naseem could well seal a spot as 3rd seamer: an attack of Shaheen, Haris Rauf, and Naseem looks to have some potential. However Naseem should not play every Test, give him some rest as he develops.
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Was thinking the same thing. There's room for one of those in the Test team, but not two.

Rauf or Dahani could be the third seamer.
 
Naseem bowled wonderful. He hardly bowled bad balls and most importantly he bowled 13 maiden overs. Maiden overs build pressure in test cricket.
He is already the fastest pacer in Asia in terms of average pace.
He was bowling 145 even at the end of the innings that's serious pace.
He is gonna serve Pakistan for long time
 
Villager6964 said:
Naseem bowled wonderful. He hardly bowled bad balls and most importantly he bowled 13 maiden overs. Maiden overs build pressure in test cricket.
He is already the fastest pacer in Asia in terms of average pace.
He was bowling 145 even at the end of the innings that's serious pace.
He is gonna serve Pakistan for long time
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What a difference a couple of weeks makes. 1st test he was wicketless and going at over 4 an over.

He’s turned it round 180. This is why you shouldn’t write players off. We shouldn’t get overexcited with this performance either. However, this proves the potential of Naseem and what he is capable of and why people were excited by this prospect.

Whether he turns that potential in to a fulfilling career will be seen over time. But it does vindicate that he was earmarked as a talent.

Well bowled this match and long may it continue
 
Cummins and Starc are world class Naseem is still raw add to that he didn't have the luxury to bowl at batsman freely its always catch and chase
 
Steve Smith's wicket

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Getting Steve Smith out twice in a test match is incredible for a young bowler like him. Should take alot of confidence from those wickets and his performance in this test.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Getting Steve Smith out twice in a test match is incredible for a young bowler like him. Should take alot of confidence from those wickets and his performance in this test.
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He’s an excellent talent if people think otherwise they need to find another sport.
 
But but but Jofra Archer is the best bowler in the world because he bowled some intimidating bouncers to Smith...

Just goes to show what I have been saying all along. Naseem is a great talent and has been treated very harshly by fans vs the overrated joke who is Archer.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] they are now equal in their Test career. They have each had one brilliant test match against Australia in home conditions. They have both been terrible away from home.
 
Forum363 said:
But but but Jofra Archer is the best bowler in the world because he bowled some intimidating bouncers to Smith...

Just goes to show what I have been saying all along. Naseem is a great talent and has been treated very harshly by fans vs the overrated joke who is Archer.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] they are now equal in their Test career. They have each had one brilliant test match against Australia in home conditions. They have both been terrible away from home.
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Jofra was good throughout ashes notnjust one game. Also it’s beyond doubt that overall Jofra is far ahead. Even if he retires today he would retire having played an important role in a World Cup winning campaign
 
Naseem Shah to Steve Smith in this test match:

35 balls
4 runs
2 outs

But yeah, Archer hitting Smith on the head after which Smith came out and smoked 39 more runs...while being concussed...on a seaming track was far more impactful than this right [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Naseem Shah to Steve Smith in this test match:

35 balls
4 runs
2 outs

But yeah, Archer hitting Smith on the head after which Smith came out and smoked 39 more runs...while being concussed...on a seaming track was far more impactful than this right [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]?
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I maintain Naseem shah has a long way to go as he got carted around on seaming tracks in England, New Zealand and Australia.

He’s made slight improvement but has to increase his speed even further I feel to be devastating

Archer is a World Cup winner and a champion bower
 
Wahid1234 said:
I maintain Naseem shah has a long way to go as he got carted around on seaming tracks in England, New Zealand and Australia.

He’s made slight improvement but has to increase his speed even further I feel to be devastating

Archer is a World Cup winner and a champion bower
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Ramiz Raja was a World Cup winner too, doesn't mean anyone considers him to be a champion batter.

Archer is an overrated and injury-prone bowler who barely plays any test matches and happened to be a part of England's greatest ODI team. If he wasn't part of that squad, England would have still won the World Cup.

And everyone knows that performing well in ODIs doesn't matter nearly as much as performing well in tests.

Getting carted in England, New Zealand and Australia is not a bad thing for someone as young as Naseem. Those experiences will probably make him wiser and a better bowler when he goes there next time. It's much better than touring those countries at the age of 27 and still getting carted.

Anyway, Naseem will be at his peak dominating test cricket when Archer finally decides to hang up his boots so I don't think there is a fair comparison to begin with.
 
Wahid1234 said:
I maintain Naseem shah has a long way to go as he got carted around on seaming tracks in England, New Zealand and Australia.

He’s made slight improvement but has to increase his speed even further I feel to be devastating

Archer is a World Cup winner and a champion bower
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Those were far far from 'seaming tracks'.
 
Two wickets have come off a no ball
1 against Warner in Australia
1 against Smith in this test.
 
Overall an excellent test match for Naseeem easily the pick of the bowlers for Pakistan got the ball moving both ways.
 
Mamoon said:
:)))

This post exemplifies why Pakistani fans are the most delusional in the world.

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot - a Pakistani bowler played a starring role in helping his country win a World Cup in his debut year in international cricket compared to a bowler who has been treated like a joke every time he has played against a big team in Test cricket and can’t even break into the LOI squad.

Pakistani fans would roll on the floor over such a comparison.

Naseem is a rubbish bowler who has never performed against a good team and can’t even get into the LOI squad. He neither has a past or a future. Archer might not have a future but he has a past that Naseem will probably never eclipse even if he plays for a decade which I don’t think he will considering how awful his bowling is.

Archer’s 2019 alone is bigger than anything Naseem “I like to see fear in batsmen’s eyes but please hit me for a four every over” Shah will achieve in his career.

Only Pakistani fans have the audacity to compare a World Cup winner to a nobody.
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Ahem so Archer is a injury prone bowler thus far.

Naseem has improved leaps & bounds.
 
in_cutter said:
Ahem so Archer is a injury prone bowler thus far.

Naseem has improved leaps & bounds.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has gone silent on the subject but he openly and repeatedly called Archer the best bowler in the world (ahead of Cummins, Rabada, Bumrah, Boult etc) after the World Cup and a couple of good test matches at home. He ignored how rubbish he was abroad.

Compare that to Naseem who was more than 5 years younger, debuting in flat Australian conditions and had to deal with a personal tragedy.

Well the situation is very different a few years later.
 
Forum363 said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has gone silent on the subject but he openly and repeatedly called Archer the best bowler in the world (ahead of Cummins, Rabada, Bumrah, Boult etc) after the World Cup and a couple of good test matches at home. He ignored how rubbish he was abroad.

Compare that to Naseem who was more than 5 years younger, debuting in flat Australian conditions and had to deal with a personal tragedy.

Well the situation is very different a few years later.
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There are 38 better Indian bowlers than Naseem :p
 
MMHS said:
It’s not his fault that PAK Mgt. and fans hyped him to the moon. And, before that PCB sold him as a baby prodigy ........ yes, for a 16 years old kid, that hype was justified. I have my own assessment of Naseem’s actual age, which I would like to keep personal.

Still, I think PAK should persist with Naseem because there are not many options available & PAK domestics are not really full of promising fast bowlers to choose from. He can develop only through playing at highest level and this is the right age to do so.
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Aage Aage dekho

Hota hai kya…
 
He's very good - wicket-taker

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Once again showing that he is one of the most improved bowlers in the world in the T20 format:

4-23-1 (10 dot balls)
 
His decline has been very sad.

Simply not the force he should be and now deserves to be dropped for his Afghanistan performance.
 
MenInG said:
His decline has been very sad.

Simply not the force he should be and now deserves to be dropped for his Afghanistan performance.
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What decline? There was no rise in the first place.

I have been saying this from day one - he is a nothing bowler. Never was and never will be.

He has not performed in 90% of the matches he has played. It is all hype nothing else.

He has been hyped to the moon since day 1 and is one of those players who has never been under pressure to perform to become a fan favorite.
 
His arrogance will be his downfall

He started his dramey baaziya when he wanted to desert QG who invested so much on him when he was down and out.

He deserves this humiliation
 
I don’t think I have ever seen a worse 19th over from a Pak bowler.

Is there a way someone can please ask him what the plan was in that over? That was so so poor.
 
He remains a very good bowler. Won’t mind him getting dropped in this format. He should focus on tests
 
If you watch his social media posts, its clear he has not been focusing on Cricket that much in the last few months. He has also been basking in the attention of being linked with Urvashi Rautella. He only picked up 3 wickets in the T-20 WC and he failed to get a wicket in the T-20 final when the wicket was conducive to pace and swing. He needs to be dropped now.
 
Mamoon said:
What decline? There was no rise in the first place.


I have been saying this from day one - he is a nothing bowler. Never was and never will be.

He has not performed in 90% of the matches he has played. It is all hype nothing else.

He has been hyped to the moon since day 1 and is one of those players who has never been under pressure to perform to become a fan favorite.
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You got it spot on Mamoon. This guy is a mental midget who’s hyped to the moon. All hype no substance. I’d put Ihsanullah ahead of this guy in the pecking order right now.

Common sense would prevail your bowling the second last over the last bowl you want to bowl is fast length bowls and goes and bowls exactly that. Low IQ game lack of game awareness and most important lack of talent. Just a gun barrel straight bowler alway on the brink of getting smashed.

He’s the Sami version 2 The quicker we get rid of this naseem shah the better for Paksitan just a gun barrel straight trundler
 
Mamoon said:
What decline? There was no rise in the first place.

I have been saying this from day one - he is a nothing bowler. Never was and never will be.

He has not performed in 90% of the matches he has played. It is all hype nothing else.

He has been hyped to the moon since day 1 and is one of those players who has never been under pressure to perform to become a fan favorite.
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Agreed! This guy never had a rise.
 
This guy is more interested in doing Gillette adverts and living a celebrity lifestyle than working on his craft. Brainless bowling. Even zaman performed better and he just debuted for the national side!
 
Even zaman khan bowled with sense and nearlly defended a mere 5 runs. Just goes to show the level of naseem shah not taking cricket seriously. I reckon if zama khan had around 9 to defend he would have defended it
 
Should be left to concentrate on test cricket, doesn’t have any awareness for fast game like T20.

He shouldn’t be getting picked for all 3 formats.
 
Bowling short after getting hammered for 6 on a waist height delivery. When Naseem came to bowl I knew he was gonna get smashed.
 
something appears off about him lately. No aggression in his bowling, no zip, just runs in and bowls. Keep him away from T20 for now,
 
iRfaN_LA said:
something appears off about him lately. No aggression in his bowling, no zip, just runs in and bowls. Keep him away from T20 for now,
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Probably felt insulted at not being considered ‘rest worthy’ material like Rauf and Shaheen
 
Those who want him to focus on Test cricket only need to remember that he averages 50+ with the ball against the proper sides.

He is not cut for any format at the international level. Not quick enough, not skilled enough and not intelligent enough. He is just mediocre.

His numbers in ODIs look good for now but that is only because he has played 3 out of 5 ODIs against an associate nation.

Give him a couple of series against England and Australia and he will get smashed left right and center.
 
Mamoon said:
Those who want him to focus on Test cricket only need to remember that he averages 50+ with the ball against the proper sides.

He is not cut for any format at the international level. Not quick enough, not skilled enough and not intelligent enough. He is just mediocre.

His numbers in ODIs look good for now but that is only because he has played 3 out of 5 ODIs against an associate nation.

Give him a couple of series against England and Australia and he will get smashed left right and center.
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We don't really, it's just that they will try and shoehorn him somewhere. With no test cricket going on, he got played in T20 and to appease the backers and for reality sake as he will still continue to get picked

Its easier just to say play him in the format that Pakistan aren't currently playing in. Rinse and repeat with respective series and format.
 
Pakistan has enough players in their cricket system to give players some tough love when they don't perform. Pakistani players tend to take it easy when they make it in the side
 
Really gone off the boil lately in international cricket.

Lack of yorkers, lack of venom in his bowling.

Just bowling it in the slot or half trackers most of the time.
 
He allowed fame get to his head. Which shows in his interviews/social media.

Players often forget that any purple patch they're enjoying and the associated wave of fame dies down way too soon once you're found out in international cricket.

He has always lacked the basic ingredients to be a top fast bowler.

Doesn't have the height nor control and variation to succeed in Test cricket. Atrocious record!

And then, he at times can bully the minnow batting teams with his pace in 4 overs of a T20 match. Mostly, that's it. No top 4 LOI/ODI bat will be troubled by just pace alone.

He needs to have more than that and unfortunately there are too many hurdles in his path of true glory.
 
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