[VIDEOS] Naseem Shah - A failed experiment?

[ethan hunt]

If he comes good in a couple of years it proves the initial point that he is not good enough at the moment?

His development at international level shouldn’t be at the cost of the teams success

He already averages in the 20's . Who are the alternatives you are talking about ?

 

[Shazzam]

I see Wasim Akram in him. He needs backing.

 

[Markhor]

Ehsan Adil is trash with the greatest of respect. Whatever happened to Mir Hamza?

I hate to say it but I think based on form and experience Sohail Khan would’nt be a bad short term choice

We def can’t afford both of Shaheen and Naseem at the same time and in terms of development and skill level, Shaheen is currently leagues ahead.

Ehsan Adil had a pretty good QEA on dead, flat pitches last season with the red Kookaburra while Mir Hamza averaged 50 with the ball. Latter is a Dukes specialist, and not accurate enough either.

 

[Majid Khan]

Naseem is clearly inexperienced and limited in skill at this stage of his career as a fast bowler - I am not even particularly excited by the pace as he’s quick enough but hardly extreme pace like a young Shoaib/Zahid/Waqar/Lee/Tait/Marshall/Donald/Steyn - however I think he has potential and will get better if we accept him as an apprentice and then depends on his hard work and growth as a cricketer.

However what is concerning is that this trio of Shaheen / Naseem / Abbas is considered the best pace attack Pakistan had in years - and yet there is a lack of bite in the attack.

Even on these bowler friendly wickets and a weaker England batting line up to what they had in recent years, these quicks at no stage looked like taking a 5-wicket haul and running through a batting line up - even cleaning up the tail looks like a tough job for them.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

All the posters in this thread are going to be offered a buffet of the best pie that they could ever imagine.
The amount of ignorance people have when it comes to judging talent is astounding.

 

[Savak]

I am so glad we have professional selectors. If we left the selection of the team to the fans over here, we would be playing a new team after every match.

 

[Savak]

Been saying this from first day. He just bowls pace and one good ball and thats it.

We lost the first test cause of him but no one said anything cause him being young.

Once you are in pakistan team you need tot ake responsibility doesnt matter what your age is.

Replace naseem with sohail khan or wahab riaz.

Actually Shaheen is to blame for the first test as well. He has more experience than Naseem at this stage and he didn't step up when needed.

 

[TeymurBlake]

These genuine proof of excitement for Naseem. Good pace, bounce and good swing. But alas he is just 17 years old and has a ton of potential to be a serious talent. Having Waqar Younis there is also good to see.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Neither is he a failed experiment nor is he Trueman 2.0

Give the kid some space to breathe, treat him like any other player meaning no overhyping or having unrealistic expectations. If he isn't a finished product send him to domestics. There is a reason why the greatest cricket nation Australia waits a bit longer before throwing its cricketers into the shark pool of international cricket. One youngster is acceptable, but having both Shaheen and Naseem in the side seems like a risky gamble.

 

[Majid Khan]

And on the point about failed experiments , Pakistan only recently finished a 17 year long running failed experiment with a certain mediocre opening batsman without mentioning any names - so an experiment of a few months so far with a 17 year old pace bowler who has a lot promise can hardly be called a failure in comparison.

 

[Kenpachi]

Actually Shaheen is to blame for the first test as well. He has more experience than Naseem at this stage and he didn't step up when needed.

Shaheen’s failings aren’t an excuse to gloss over Naseem’s inadequacies

 

[Xoib]

Naseem is clearly inexperienced and limited in skill at this stage of his career as a fast bowler - I am not even particularly excited by the pace as he’s quick enough but hardly extreme pace like a young Shoaib/Zahid/Waqar/Lee/Tait/Marshall/Donald/Steyn - however I think he has potential and will get better if we accept him as an apprentice and then depends on his hard work and growth as a cricketer.

However what is concerning is that this trio of Shaheen / Naseem / Abbas is considered the best pace attack Pakistan had in years - and yet there is a lack of bite in the attack.

Even on these bowler friendly wickets and a weaker England batting line up to what they had in recent years, these quicks at no stage looked like taking a 5-wicket haul and running through a batting line up - even cleaning up the tail looks like a tough job for them.

Pretty much this.

Naseem is a potential world class talent givin his raw ingrediants but in the end it really depends on his hard work and bowling intelligence (very under appreciated skill) to decide how far he goes.

 

[Saj]

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that he's played 6 Tests not 60?

Let's be honest, the lad has been thrown in the deep end as the fast bowling cupboard is pretty bare in Pakistan.

Ideally he should have been the 4th or 5th choice on this tour, but circumstances are such that they have had to throw him in and hope that he swims and doesn't sink.

He needs investing in. If we can invest fir so long in Asad Shafiq etc, then we can certainly invest in this lad.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Pakistan has gained a reputation for experimenting with bowlers at international level. First there was oddball Sohail Tanvir, then the Great Khali Mohammad Irfan and now inexperienced fast bowler Naseem Shah.

One has to question the real reason behind his selection when you look at his performance in this series and his prior record.

In this series, aside from bowling Circa ~ 90mph, Naseem has failed to capitalise on very bowler friendly tracks. Whilst achieving slight deviation, there has been no notable seam movement and/or swing in his arsenal.

His prior 1sT class record is as follows:

23 innings and 46 wickets - ave. 2 wkts/innings
He has managed 2 x 4 fors and 3 x 5 fors. If we detract these 23 wickets he has only managed 23 wickets in 18 innings - just over 1 wicket per inning.

It hardly screams out as the next big thing!

Not to mention Azhar Ali’s banana swing ball swung more than Naseem Shah could imagine!

The question is why is he even in the squad?

Why would you detract his 5-fors and 4-fors???

In my opinion he’s been absolutely excellent and should be backed for the next year or two.

 

[Kenpachi]

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that he's played 6 Tests not 60?

And only 14 first class games...

What did he do at first class level that was so great that it warranted a leap frog not only into the Pakistan squad but also into the team in a 3 man pace attack?

 

[Kenpachi]

@ thunderbolt - Because it highlights that for the 80 percent of his innings his performances weren’t great at all

 

[Markhor]

And only 14 first class games...

What did he do at first class level that was so great that it warranted a leap frog not only into the Pakistan squad but also into the team in a 3 man pace attack?

Naseem was the best pacer in terms of bowling average (19) in last season's QEA Trophy which was played on dead flat wickets with the red Kookaburra.

He took 18 wickets in 4 matches.

While some have gone overboard with their hyping, he definitely made the squad on merit.

 

[naseem]

As I have said before, his hype is built on a lie. If PCB did not market him as some bowling version of Tendulkar who was Test class at 16, he would not be overhyped to this extent.

He is nothing special at all, and unfortunately, he has bought into his own hype as well.

He is not half as good as he and his fans think.

Time will tell

 

[Thunderbolt14]

@ thunderbolt - Because it highlights that for the 80 percent of his innings his performances weren’t great at all

And in the remaining portion, he was brilliant! You can do the same for any bowler and you will get similar results.

All it shows is that Naseem blows hot and cold, a marker of inconsistency despite having the talent. When a bowler is at this stage, you back and develop them. This is the most important time to back them. He has the peak to get tons of 4 and 5-fors — some innings, he just doesn’t get the rhythm right. Rather than dropping him back into the abyss of domestic, back him and help him gain a consistent rhythm, and he will give you return on investment in a year or two with the next 10 years being brilliant.

 

[Kenpachi]

And in the remaining portion, he was brilliant! You can do the same for any bowler and you will get similar results.

All it shows is that Naseem blows hot and cold, a marker of inconsistency despite having the talent. When a bowler is at this stage, you back and develop them. This is the most important time to back them. He has the peak to get tons of 4 and 5-fors — some innings, he just doesn’t get the rhythm right. Rather than dropping him back into the abyss of domestic, back him and help him gain a consistent rhythm, and he will give you return on investment in a year or two with the next 10 years being brilliant.

I agree with these sentiments. Sending him back to domestic will knock his confidence but it’s a mans game and these things happen.

Surely the international scene is for results now and not in 2 years?

The question should always be is the player, in this case Naseem Shah, going to win us this next (test) match? If the answer is no he shouldn’t be in the top 11. Never should the understanding be he will may come good so let’s go with and hope it is tomorrow?

 

[Savak]

Shaheen’s failings aren’t an excuse to gloss over Naseem’s inadequacies

Actually a veteran who is failing in his job is dealt with more harshly than a newbie.

 

[Saj]

When you only have Imran Khans and Sohail Khans as your backup Test bowlers, I know who I would rather pick.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I agree with these sentiments. Sending him back to domestic will knock his confidence but it’s a mans game and these things happen.

Surely the international scene is for results now and not in 2 years?

The question should always be is the player, in this case Naseem Shah, going to win us this next (test) match? If the answer is no he shouldn’t be in the top 11. Never should the understanding be he will may come good so let’s go with and hope it is tomorrow?

Who would you play instead? All the replacement options are only marginally better with little upside. I would rather develop Naseem — it’s equivalent to India playing Prithvi Shaw over some other opener for example.

 

[Rana]

Considering the hype, what is the bare minimum expected of a 17 year old playing Test cricket abroad against Australia and England?

 

[Slog]

Considering the hype, what is the bare minimum expected of a 17 year old playing Test cricket abroad against Australia and England?

I don’t get the relevance of ‘17 year old’ at all. Firstly it’s almost certain he is about 20ish. Also there’s no rewards for playing youngsters. If he wants to be judged as a 17 year old he should play at Under 19 level.

 

[hitthestump]

I knew the knives would come out for Naseem. Poor guy. It's not his fault our hopes in the England series depended on a teenager. Calling him overhyped...do you honestly think he's fully developed yet? Unreal scenes in this thread.

 

[Majid Khan]

When you only have Imran Khans and Sohail Khans as your backup Test bowlers, I know who I would rather pick.

Now that I can’t disagree with - but in an ideal world my view is a 17 year old should only be selected in the national cricket team if he is exceptional, which for a fast bowler could be exceptional in wicket taking ability or even raw pace if it means he can offer something different to the team’s bowling attack and intimidate batsmen.

As an example a young Waqar Younis offered something exceptional as a fast bowler with extreme pace and skillset that Sikandar Bakht and Mohsin Kamal in the late 80s just didn’t have.

But these days we end up selecting 17 year olds because they are replacing mediocrity and in the hope that giving them ‘on the job’ training might help to polish their skills and develop into better bowlers.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Not sure why he was picked on the Australian tour
Haris rauf should have been there especially as these are his peak years

 

[Rana]

I don’t get the relevance of ‘17 year old’ at all. Firstly it’s almost certain he is about 20ish. Also there’s no rewards for playing youngsters. If he wants to be judged as a 17 year old he should play at Under 19 level.

Ok, what is the bare minimum for him to live up to the expectations of not being considered a failure?

 

[ahmadharis1]

Far from a failed experiment but what's the harm in letting him gain match experience and learn proper test bowling in domestics? Pick proven performers in the meantime.

 

[Rana]

That delivery to remove Pope in the 1st Test. Would love to see the arm chair experts face anything like that even on a bowling machine

 

[cricketjoshila]

Teenager

Test appearances in single digits

He is far from a failure.

 

[Junaids]

Any medium pacer can bowl slow swing in England.

Naseem is raw, but he has the raw materials that Trueman had - extra pace and a side-on action allowing very, very late outswing.

He doesn't yet know how to bowl, which is what Wasim and Waqar learned by having Imran Khan field at mid-on, telling them between deliveries what to bowl next.

He won't improve in domestic cricket getting cheap wickets on some tracks and breaking his body bowling on graveyard surfaces.

He needs to be in every international squad whether he plays or not. Because he will only improve by bowling to the best in the nets and in matches.

 

[Major]

with the way azhar ali got the swing, might aswell throw Faheem Ashraf in to the test team

 

[TeamPak95]

Bit of a knee-jerk thread this. Give Naseem more series' under his belt, then we'll get a more proper idea of how he fares in test level. Albeit in ODIs, last year Shaheen went for 80+ runs in the games he played in the England ODI series prior to the WC and went for plenty in his first few games of the WC.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

All of these names have been conned by PCB into thinking that he is 17. They don’t know that he is the same age as Shaheen who is a much better prospect.

Naseem wouldn’t receive half the hype and adulation if PCB did not lie about his age.

I wonder why they stopped at 16. They should have called him a 12 year old and people would have called him the biggest talent of all time.

Even if they are the same age, they are 2 totally different bowlers.
Naseem has the skills to be a Wagner-esque enforcer type bowler. Besides that, Naseem also hits the pitch hard and extracts seam from the pitch.
Shaheen can't do that role as he is a new ball bowler albeit more accurate and swings the ball more than Naseem

 

[ammar_merry]

Mate, you need to let them play 3-4 years in domestic cricket and let them learn the art of long format bowling there. Pick pacers in their mid 20s who have played 30-40 first class matches. It's ridiculous to throw in 17 year olds.

All great Pakistani bowlers started playing for pakistan in teens.Shoaib akhtar says he was wasted by bowling long overs in domestic.

 

[ammar_merry]

Ehsan Adil had a pretty good QEA on dead, flat pitches last season with the red Kookaburra while Mir Hamza averaged 50 with the ball. Latter is a Dukes specialist, and not accurate enough either.

Still avg above 30.and mediocre intl record 5-6 years ago and his fitness issues are always there.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This thread is ironic, when Naseem has looked head and shoulders above Shaheen, who was instrumental in losing us the first test with his garbage bowling to Woakes.

Make a similar thread for Shaheen too OP, and maybe this thread will be taken seriously.

Pakistan fans :

 

[kingusama92]

He's a world-class prospect.

There will be a learning curve but his skillset is excellent. There's little else on the domestic circuit that compares.

 

[MenInG]

He's a world-class prospect.

There will be a learning curve but his skillset is excellent. There's little else on the domestic circuit that compares.

Think the point of OP is that should we have waited longer before pushing him into the firing line.

 

[Xoib]

Think the point of OP is that should we have waited longer before pushing him into the firing line.

Personally I would have waited one or two fc seasons before inducting him Ehsan Adil and Sameen could have been a givin a go before him but I can see where Waqar is coming from he is an exciting prospect and you can take a gamble with him by giving on the job training.

 

[Ellipsism]

I absolutely concur. Right now he's taking up the spot of some quality young bowlers like Sohail Khan, Imran Khan and Ehsan Adil who would go a long way in helping us win a test match with their consistent 130 kph pies.

 

[Grunge101]

What should we have expected? Him to come in and underperform?

Ermmm..expect him to show his talent and promise in patches while also expect him to struggle in between because this is his first experience playing internationally in SENA ??

 

[Junaids]

I absolutely concur. Right now he's taking up the spot of some quality young bowlers like Sohail Khan, Imran Khan and Ehsan Adil who would go a long way in helping us win a test match with their consistent 130 kph pies.

I love it!

 

[Firebat]

I absolutely concur. Right now he's taking up the spot of some quality young bowlers like Sohail Khan, Imran Khan and Ehsan Adil who would go a long way in helping us win a test match with their consistent 130 kph pies.

It's a no brainer )

 

[ufcfan]

Naseem has done nothing wrong to invite such criticism

 

[sindhiboy]

Naseem has done nothing wrong to invite such criticism

what about shaheen?

 

[sindhiboy]

he should replicate shaheen

 

[MenInG]

Naseem needs to be guided as well - not sure if he has that kind of help available on the field.

 

[Grunge101]

Naseem needs to be guided as well - not sure if he has that kind of help available on the field.

Looks like the help he has in the dressing room and on the field is trying their best to turn him into Abbas 2.0.

 

[NauV]

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that he's played 6 Tests not 60?

Let's be honest, the lad has been thrown in the deep end as the fast bowling cupboard is pretty bare in Pakistan.

Ideally he should have been the 4th or 5th choice on this tour, but circumstances are such that they have had to throw him in and hope that he swims and doesn't sink.

He needs investing in. If we can invest fir so long in Asad Shafiq etc, then we can certainly invest in this lad.

Absolutely!

Complete garbage to go after him!

Naseem is very raw . . his action/run up and delivery stride has changed since the SL/Bang series which means he's not being able to move the ball and bowling too wide . . There are a few technical issues that can be corrected and should be and it will almost immediately make him more effective . .

If people like Wasim, Holding, Atherton, Nasser, Warne, etc. are talking about his talent, potential, action, etc. . who the hell are we to question their wisdom and knowledge?

If we're expecting him to tear apart this line up and average 3/4 wickets a match, the problem is us not Naseem!

Trust me, there is no one in the domestic circuit who will come in and do better than him! and he definitely has a high ceiling . . We have to be patient and keep our own expectations in check! Give him 20 tests . . then see how he has developed and where he's at! Otherwise, don't complain when Sohail Khan, Imran Khan, Rahat Ali, Wahab Riaz, etc. play!!!

Waqar Younis has a job to do!

 

[Bewal Express]

Bowled well at times again, beat the bat, hit Root and a catch that didn't carry.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Bowled well at times again, beat the bat, hit Root and a catch that didn't carry.

This is the fourth catch that hasn't carried off Naseem. Azhar and Rizwan are absolute fools.

 

[Mamoon]

There is virtually no difference between Naseem Shah of 2020 and Mohammad Talha of 2009.

The only difference is that PCB did not hype up Talha as some 16 year old boy wonder who has been sent from the heavens.

Nadeem is so ordinary it is not even funny. There is nothing special about him at all.

 

[Major]

There is virtually no difference between Naseem Shah of 2020 and Mohammad Talha of 2009.

The only difference is that PCB did not hype up Talha as some 16 year old boy wonder who has been sent from the heavens.

Nadeem is so ordinary it is not even funny. There is nothing special about him at all.

haha Talha was also hyped. He was hyped as the next shoaib akhtar i remember that drama.

 

[Ellipsism]

This is the fourth catch that hasn't carried off Naseem. Azhar and Rizwan are absolute fools.

The one this morning was never gonna carry regardless of whether they stood further up.

He's bowling too wide of the crease right now, hence why he isn't getting that away movement he usually gets.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Lol, so overrated and overhyped. Bowling rubbish today.

 

[MMHS]

I love it!

You shouldn’t - the third name in that list was one who was supposed to hold Warner & Labuan in Australia, bowling against wind & hitting deck from 6’4” height.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

There is virtually no difference between Naseem Shah of 2020 and Mohammad Talha of 2009.

The only difference is that PCB did not hype up Talha as some 16 year old boy wonder who has been sent from the heavens.

Nadeem is so ordinary it is not even funny. There is nothing special about him at all.

If you think he is similar to Talha, then you have absolutely no clue on fast bowling.
You provide better analysis on batsmen, but it is better if you keep mum when talking about bowling.

His issue right now is his gun barrel straight run up which is not allowing him to complete his action.
He needs an angular approach that can get him into his side on load up much better. This way, you wont see his bowling arm ending up between his legs like it is right now. It will end up on his left; an indication of a completed action.
His wide of the crease release means that he is working against the angle with his side on action, and hence everything is being compromised; pace, bounce, swing. In turn, the outswing that he is aiming for, is not occuring from off stump, but rather from 5th or 6th stump, which means the batsmen dont even have to play the deliveries.

Had Waqar been worth his salt, this issue would have been fixed by now as I pointed it out right in his first spell in the 1st test. He himself was a side on bowler, who had an angular approach, and delivered from closer of the stumps. If he cant even rectify this, it just showcases how incapable he is as a bowling coach.

 

[Titan24]

Cricket fans need to be patient before trying their best to grill some to the ground or hyping them to the moon. He hasnt even played 10 tests yet and had no other format international cricket behind him. A teenager bowling around 90kph is obviously a potential as per any definition, kind of work he puts in will obviously decide his career trajectory as is the case with any athlete.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Lol, so overrated and overhyped. Bowling rubbish today.

You should reserve these comments for Waqar and not an 18,19 year old who has fallen into a technical issue.

 

[Markhor]

If you think he is similar to Talha, then you have absolutely no clue on fast bowling.
You provide better analysis on batsmen, but it is better if you keep mum when talking about bowling.

His issue right now is his gun barrel straight run up which is not allowing him to complete his action.
He needs an angular approach that can get him into his side on load up much better. This way, you wont see his bowling arm ending up between his legs like it is right now. It will end up on his left; an indication of a completed action.
His wide of the crease release means that he is working against the angle with his side on action, and hence everything is being compromised; pace, bounce, swing. In turn, the outswing that he is aiming for, is not occuring from off stump, but rather from 5th or 6th stump, which means the batsmen dont even have to play the deliveries.

Had Waqar been worth his salt, this issue would have been fixed by now as I pointed it out right in his first spell in the 1st test. He himself was a side on bowler, who had an angular approach, and delivered from closer of the stumps. If he cant even rectify this, it just showcases how incapable he is as a bowling coach.

Waqar AKA "I will turn these boys into world class bowlers in 2 years" is a multiple times failed coach. How he keeps conning his way into bowling coach roles simply based on playing reputation makes me sick.

 

[MMHS]

If you think he is similar to Talha, then you have absolutely no clue on fast bowling.
You provide better analysis on batsmen, but it is better if you keep mum when talking about bowling.

His issue right now is his gun barrel straight run up which is not allowing him to complete his action.
He needs an angular approach that can get him into his side on load up much better. This way, you wont see his bowling arm ending up between his legs like it is right now. It will end up on his left; an indication of a completed action.
His wide of the crease release means that he is working against the angle with his side on action, and hence everything is being compromised; pace, bounce, swing. In turn, the outswing that he is aiming for, is not occuring from off stump, but rather from 5th or 6th stump, which means the batsmen dont even have to play the deliveries.

Had Waqar been worth his salt, this issue would have been fixed by now as I pointed it out right in his first spell in the 1st test. He himself was a side on bowler, who had an angular approach, and delivered from closer of the stumps. If he cant even rectify this, it just showcases how incapable he is as a bowling coach.

I probably understood some part of this, and yes he is approaching bowling stride straight, then moving away to release the ball from wide - it won’t move away and batsmen will get away with lbw by stretching front leg outside line.

The best example was probably Malcolm Marshall, started run up from behind mid-off (or on) and released ball probably upon off stick line. I had seen many times when umpires would bend neck to see the ball when MM was bowling. He was deadly with his leg-cutters mixed with off cutters, that’ll strike pad on line most times.

But not sure if Naseem A’s action can be that silky smooth like Marshall and Marshall used to run like a sprinter into bowling stride creating foot steps mark on the field, stepping on same spot almost every time - that level of proficiency is near impossible. His action was far better & smooth as well - Naseem is suspect to serious injuries as well.

 

[Kenpachi]

Any medium pacer can bowl slow swing in England.

Naseem is raw, but he has the raw materials that Trueman had - extra pace and a side-on action allowing very, very late outswing.

He doesn't yet know how to bowl, which is what Wasim and Waqar learned by having Imran Khan field at mid-on, telling them between deliveries what to bowl next.

He won't improve in domestic cricket getting cheap wickets on some tracks and breaking his body bowling on graveyard surfaces.

He needs to be in every international squad whether he plays or not. Because he will only improve by bowling to the best in the nets and in matches.

He doesn't know how to bowl yet but you still advocate for him to be playing at international level in the same breath..

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Lol, so overrated and overhyped. Bowling rubbish today.

He’s young and inexperienced. He is learning his craft. The fact that the fast bowling reserves are weak means he gets to play.
A season in country cricket would do him the world of good.
Wasim and Waqar were benefited by their time at Lancs and Surrey respectively.
Imran has always extolled the virtue of a season here.
The workload is not that onerous (with fewer country games) and you get to play regularly at a higher level than first class cricket in Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

f Naseem is the incarnation of Trueman and Trueman is the second greatest fast bowler of all time, I think it pretty much sums up the standard of cricket in the 1950s and 60s.

 

[Mamoon]

If you think he is similar to Talha, then you have absolutely no clue on fast bowling.
You provide better analysis on batsmen, but it is better if you keep mum when talking about bowling.

His issue right now is his gun barrel straight run up which is not allowing him to complete his action.
He needs an angular approach that can get him into his side on load up much better. This way, you wont see his bowling arm ending up between his legs like it is right now. It will end up on his left; an indication of a completed action.
His wide of the crease release means that he is working against the angle with his side on action, and hence everything is being compromised; pace, bounce, swing. In turn, the outswing that he is aiming for, is not occuring from off stump, but rather from 5th or 6th stump, which means the batsmen dont even have to play the deliveries.

Had Waqar been worth his salt, this issue would have been fixed by now as I pointed it out right in his first spell in the 1st test. He himself was a side on bowler, who had an angular approach, and delivered from closer of the stumps. If he cant even rectify this, it just showcases how incapable he is as a bowling coach.

Yeah you have me convinced.

The overhype brigade will use Waqar as a punching bag until they realize that Naseem is not the bowler they think he is or could be or would be.

 

[MenInG]

Yeah you have me convinced.

The overhype brigade will use Waqar as a punching bag until they realize that Naseem is not the bowler they think he is or could be or would be.

You know your ranting is getting boring now.

We have knowledgeable posters putting in time and effort to explain technicalities and all you can come back with some very basic snide comments. Suggest read up on cricket and put some proper intellectual input in your posts.

 

[MenInG]

91.2 mph for Naseem!

 

[Rana]

Besides the pointless short balls, he bowled plenty of A* delivery to Joe Root. That wicket was a beauty.

 

[Rana]

I must say. Some of the wickets Naseem has taken were not soft or against weak batsmen.

Gun bowler MashAllah

 

[gibsyhesperis]

91.2 mph for Naseem!

He has enormous potential. That potential needs to be nurtured and developed.
Warne (who, for all his rather boorish off field behaviour) has a super cricket mind defines two criteria for young bowlers. If they are fast bowlers are they truly fast. If they are spin bowlers can they give it a rip.
That is the basic fundament.
Nadeem clearly fulfills this. The carping is really from people who either don’t understand the game, or just have some sort of petty grudge.

 

[Kroll]

Wicket should keep the haters silent for a bit now.

 

[Mamoon]

You know your ranting is getting boring now.

We have knowledgeable posters putting in time and effort to explain technicalities and all you can come back with some very basic snide comments. Suggest read up on cricket and put some proper intellectual input in your posts.

Yes I am glad Waqar has sorted out the “technical issue”. He was being blasted for Naseem’s poor bowling so now it is time to praise him for that good delivery to Root.

 

[Rana]

Wicket should keep the haters silent for a bit now.

Joe Root. Captain of England, one of their best ever bats

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Yeah you have me convinced.

The overhype brigade will use Waqar as a punching bag until they realize that Naseem is not the bowler they think he is or could be or would be.

Speaking of convinced, seems like Talha 2 has made a bunny out of your favourite player.
I think the English captain might not agree with his cheerleader's views here.

 

[MenInG]

Yes I am glad Waqar has sorted out the “technical issue”. He was being blasted for Naseem’s poor bowling so now it is time to praise him for that good delivery to Root.

You are still unable to construct a technical argument - shows depth of knowledge am afraid.

Watch this incase you havent been watching.

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[Pacy with wisdom]

Yes I am glad Waqar has sorted out the “technical issue”. He was being blasted for Naseem’s poor bowling so now it is time to praise him for that good delivery to Root.

Lol, you undermined your own point really.
He is dismissing a supposed fab 4 batsman inspite of his technical shortcomings which are very easy to rectify.
Showcases that he has the ability to dismiss the top batsmen, isnt it?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

How can a promising teenager, who has already won you 2 tests, be a failed experiment? He has taken some beauties so far.

The only mistake from the PCB and Misbah has been that they have played him in every single test since his debut. His work load has to be managed more carefully for him to be more effective and bowl 90 + MPH more consistently.

He has a lot to learn, but failed experiment? Can't believe people even considered it.