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LOL if IPL really was the gold standard of T20 cricket than Shaun Marsh would still be in the Australian T20 side and Amit Mishra would be a T20 legend playing every T20 for India.
Bowling 140 plus against avg domestic guys or in avg leagues will always make any bowler look good.
But Shah has age on his side so we should reserve the judgement on him.
Bowling 140 plus against avg domestic guys or in avg leagues will always make any bowler look good.
But Shah has age on his side so we should reserve the judgement on him.
He was getting smashed around in PSL and the National T20 last year
Seems in good rhythm:
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Yeah what a shock to see an extremely young player with few domestic games under his belt struggling in T20 matches...
Should be written off completely as a result.
Naseem Shah at 130-135 KPH is useless. Naseem Shah bowling at 140-150 KPH has the makings of a very good bowler.
Had a bad day hun? Naseem was getting smashed around, he has shown improvement in his T20 bowling since CPL and Ian Ponts appointment...
Naseem has potential, he has good speed and needs to develop reverse swing at pace, good targetting of bouncers and yorkers... he is wayward currently, needs s good coach, I thought Waqar would improve him but it hasnt happened.
Lol, Pakistan fans are so easily charmed. A few good performances in useless T20 cricket matches and they think he's good?)
Lol, Pakistan fans are so easily charmed. A few good performances in useless T20 cricket matches and they think he's good?)
Good that naseem has found confidence and form. Now he has to play domestic for a while and work on his test bowling (if that is the direction he wants to have his career). Else he can keep plying white ball cricket and keep improving in this format and get into the Pak XI.
On another note, if he continues to impress in the ongoing National T20, can he force his way into the World cup T20 squad?
He needs a serious 4/5 wicket haul against central Punjab I recon. If he can produce something special, who knows?
I don't understand which white ball team is which.
Is he under Ian Pont now, or have I got the wrong team?
I don't understand which white ball team is which.
Is he under Ian Pont now, or have I got the wrong team?
Good that naseem has found confidence and form. Now he has to play domestic for a while and work on his test bowling (if that is the direction he wants to have his career). Else he can keep plying white ball cricket and keep improving in this format and get into the Pak XI.
On another note, if he continues to impress in the ongoing National T20, can he force his way into the World cup T20 squad?
I hope not. He has to play full domestic season and get his bowling back on track. That will do his confidence a world of good. You can see brilliance in his bowling but he needs to hit lines consistently. It's no surprise he hasn't managed that yet, considering how little FC cricket he has played. Having Waqar as the bowling coach doesn't help either.
So getting maximum number of FC bowling hours should be the priority.
I don't think he gets into the team anyhow with Shaheen, Hasan, Hasnain ahead of him. Rauf too.
It's kinda shocking the kind of expectations our fans have from our fast-bowlers. Here is a kid who debuted in Australia: a literal graveyard for Pakistani fast-bowlers and a place that recently destroyed the test careers of other young bowlers like Mason Crane and Tom Curran. Not only did he not let that debut not define him but he came back to take a hat-trick in just his 4th or 5th test match.
But people here are still expecting him to be the second coming of Shane Bond in his third year playing professional cricket.
For gods sake, take a second and think about how stupid and ridiculous you sound with your unrealistic expectations. How many teams in the world throw their young teenage fast-bowlers on the field against Australia on their test debut?
Heck, how many teenage fast-bowlers have England, Australia, India, New Zealand, South Africa debuted in the last few years? How many (if any at all) of them took a hat-trick and a five wicket haul in their first few matches? How many of them can dial it up to 140+ consistently while being able to swing it?
Stop having unrealistic expectations from our young players...especially our young fast-bowlers. Give them the chance to develop and grow. Its international cricket, not a cakewalk.
And if you want to start comparing Naseem to others look at the people from his age-group. Where are Nagarkoti, Mavi, LLoyd Pope, Mnyaka, Madushaka, Tyagi? Because I don't even see them anywhere close to playing international cricket for their respective countries.
If Tyagi was Pakistani, then he'd have already debuted for the national team irrespective of the fact that whether he was ready or not. Thankfully the Indian NT Selectors isn't full of morons.
The other bowlers whom I’d really like Ian Pont to work with are:
Faheem Ashraf
Amad Butt
Haris Rauf
Sameen Gul
Combine those four with Naseem Shah and Shaheen Shah Afridi and you have all the quick bowlers you need.
Absolutely. On one hand, its impossible not to see the positive side of it, a young quick in all his youth and glory bowling 140kph thunderbolts. On the other hand, a couple of bad days on the field can destroy that player's confidence for years to come. And send his career back years. On top of that, Pakistani fans and media with their expectations and vitriol only add to the pressure which can be alot for someone who has just broken onto the scene.
I'd like to see him with Ehsan Adil too. I still think he could offer a few years in SENA conditions.
Sorry but I genuinely don't see any positive in fast tracking a youngster's career. He is obviously talented but for a pacer, his fitness wasn't right for an international cricketer. He's rebuilding his career in a right way now. Bowling in domestic cricket and slowly building his confidence back should be the way to go.
Anyways Pakistan test team right now has Hasan Ali, Afridi and Abbas so there's no immediate need of getting back Naseem. I always feel that pace bowlers atleast should spend 2-3 years in domestic first to build their match fitness.
I hope not. He has to play full domestic season and get his bowling back on track. That will do his confidence a world of good. You can see brilliance in his bowling but he needs to hit lines consistently. It's no surprise he hasn't managed that yet, considering how little FC cricket he has played. Having Waqar as the bowling coach doesn't help either.
So getting maximum number of FC bowling hours should be the priority.
I don't think he gets into the team anyhow with Shaheen, Hasan, Hasnain ahead of him. Rauf too.
It's kinda shocking the kind of expectations our fans have from our fast-bowlers. Here is a kid who debuted in Australia: a literal graveyard for Pakistani fast-bowlers and a place that recently destroyed the test careers of other young bowlers like Mason Crane and Tom Curran. Not only did he not let that debut not define him but he came back to take a hat-trick in just his 4th or 5th test match.
But people here are still expecting him to be the second coming of Shane Bond in his third year playing professional cricket.
For gods sake, take a second and think about how stupid and ridiculous you sound with your unrealistic expectations. How many teams in the world throw their young teenage fast-bowlers on the field against Australia on their test debut?
Heck, how many teenage fast-bowlers have England, Australia, India, New Zealand, South Africa debuted in the last few years? How many (if any at all) of them took a hat-trick and a five wicket haul in their first few matches? How many of them can dial it up to 140+ consistently while being able to swing it?
Stop having unrealistic expectations from our young players...especially our young fast-bowlers. Give them the chance to develop and grow. Its international cricket, not a cakewalk.
And if you want to start comparing Naseem to others look at the people from his age-group. Where are Nagarkoti, Mavi, LLoyd Pope, Mnyaka, Madushaka, Tyagi? Because I don't even see them anywhere close to playing international cricket for their respective countries.
I flirted with his name too, but I think it's too late now.
To me, there are two types of fast bowler you need a specialist coach to work with.
One type is your frontline bowlers, who bat down at Numbers 9, 10 and 11. You can pick 3 of them in SENA and 2 in Asia.
The second type is all-rounders who bowl fast or fast-medium. These have to be guys good enough with the bat to bat at Numbers 7 or 8 in Test matches anywhere. You need to pick at least one of them in every SENA Test - this is the role that Abdul Razzaq and Azhar Mahmood played, and it hurt Pakistan badly that for years they backed the wrong one with the red ball, leading to Razzaq being wrongly picked from 2000-2007 even though his bowling was dreadful.
SPECIALIST BOWLERS for Pont to work with:
Sameen Gul (instead of Ehsan Adil)
Naseem Shah
Haris Rauf
Shaheen Shah Afridi
The aim is to turn them into bowlers capable of bowling quickly and with late movement.
ALL-ROUNDERS for Pont to work with
Amad Butt
Faheem Ashraf
Hasan Ali - needs to improve his batting too
The aim here is to maximise their pace and movement and to make them not into world-beaters, but into reasonably competent guys to bowl 6 overs in every 2 hour session to keep Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf or Sameen able to bowl shorter, faster spells.
Fast bowler
@iNaseemShah
talks about his cricketing journey, inspiration, dreams and ambitions. The youngster loves to maintain an aggressive attitude on the field especially with the ball in his hand.
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What about Hussain Talat, he is around the same pace as Faheem Ashraf. In the CP v KP match be bowled a couple of overs regularly around 135 and the fastest that I seen was 138
Perfect replacement for Faheem in one dayers
If Naseem wasn’t ready for all those overseas tours, he should have kept his head and down stayed quiet instead of trash-talking and making big statements.
I like to see fear in batsmen’s eyes, English batsmen don’t know me yet but they will after the series etc.
These statements look ridiculous when you produce embarrassing figures like he has in Australia, England and New Zealand.
When you talk big and then fail to deliver, you will be called out. Problem with Naseem is that he bought his own hype.
Hopefully this reality check and this well-deserved humiliation has humbled him. At 22-23, he still has enough time to turn things around. I doubt it though.
People say it is good to have confidence and character. The issue is that there is a fine line between confidence and overconfidence / arrogance, and he smashed that line just like Zack Crawley smashed him.
If Naseem wasn’t ready for all those overseas tours, he should have kept his head and down stayed quiet instead of trash-talking and making big statements.
I like to see fear in batsmen’s eyes, English batsmen don’t know me yet but they will after the series etc.
These statements look ridiculous when you produce embarrassing figures like he has in Australia, England and New Zealand.
When you talk big and then fail to deliver, you will be called out. Problem with Naseem is that he bought his own hype.
Hopefully this reality check and this well-deserved humiliation has humbled him. At 22-23, he still has enough time to turn things around. I doubt it though.
People say it is good to have confidence and character. The issue is that there is a fine line between confidence and overconfidence / arrogance, and he smashed that line just like Zack Crawley smashed him.
Needs someone like a shane bond or asif to take him under his wing and teach him how to read the batsman, or set them up.
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I always thought he would be the next Waqar Younis. Quite an irony that Waqar himself didn't let that happen.
Anyway, Naseem seems to have understood his flaws and worked on them; I can see a bright future ahead for him he continues to work hard and improve his skills.
To be the next Waqar, he would need to bowl with heavily tampered balls. Waqar is the biggest beneficiary of ball-tampering in history. He would have been just an ordinary bowler today.
Though in spite of being massively overrated and nowhere near Wasim and Imran, he was still infinitely more talented than Naseem Shah.
Dismissed Shehzad:
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Dismissed Shehzad:
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Still hoping for Naseem to get a 2-3 wicket burst with the new ball like Shaheen would. He’s been bowling well but isn’t picking up enough wickets in his spells
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hearing that Naseem Shah is close to signing a County deal for the 2022 season. Great learning opportunity for him if the deal is finalised <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1450752547774517255?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2021</a></blockquote>
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