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Thunderbolt14 said:
Zahid Mehmood is nowhere close to Shadab in any format of the game. Darts the ball in, unable to hit the right areas, and relies on the batsman making a mistake more than actually setting the batsman up himself. Can’t bat or field either.

Usman Qadir you can sell me on as a potential poor man’s Abdul Qadir or Imran Tahir, but Zahid Mehmood is nowhere close.
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The thing is, Usman has shown control over his variations. His googly spins, his leg-break spins, and he uses the straight one as well.

Shadab doesn't spin his leg-break anymore, his googly usually skids or goes straight on, and I don't see him bowl the flipper anymore.

Usman bowled pretty decently in the New Zealand A games on tracks that didn't support spin, and he did well against Zimbabwe too. Shadab's bowling has deteriorated heavily since 2018, when he was at his peak. He is another player who peaked too early and is now struggling to live up to those performances.

Zahid is being selected by Mohammad Wasim, I can tell you that. I've seen a lot of claims and reports, and I wouldn't be surprised.

I'd rather go with Usman Qadir than Zahid, because the former has already debuted, and should be given a go to prove himself.

Shadab, whether people accept this or not, on the basis of current form is no longer enough to be our frontline spinner. I'd rather have him develop his batting more and become an all-rounder like Imad than see him occupy the main spinner role and get carted around.
 
UzmanBeast said:
The thing is, Usman has shown control over his variations. His googly spins, his leg-break spins, and he uses the straight one as well.

Shadab doesn't spin his leg-break anymore, his googly usually skids or goes straight on, and I don't see him bowl the flipper anymore.

Usman bowled pretty decently in the New Zealand A games on tracks that didn't support spin, and he did well against Zimbabwe too. Shadab's bowling has deteriorated heavily since 2018, when he was at his peak. He is another player who peaked too early and is now struggling to live up to those performances.

Zahid is being selected by Mohammad Wasim, I can tell you that. I've seen a lot of claims and reports, and I wouldn't be surprised.

I'd rather go with Usman Qadir than Zahid, because the former has already debuted, and should be given a go to prove himself.

Shadab, whether people accept this or not, on the basis of current form is no longer enough to be our frontline spinner. I'd rather have him develop his batting more and become an all-rounder like Imad than see him occupy the main spinner role and get carted around.
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The comparison was Shadab and Zahid, Qadir is no doubt better. However I don’t see why we need Zahid when Shadab is a better spinner even despite deteriorating, plus better batsman, and better fielder.
 
Amazing from Nauman - looks the part and so confident.
 
Best left arm finger spinner in Pakistan. I have seen all of them. There is not much choice
 
Fawad Alam and Nauman Ali’s success shows that domestic stats cannot be ignored. Squads should be picked on domestic numbers rather than hunches.
 
Absolutely top quality bowling in the last innings, esp that bowled.
Another performance that suggests there is quality in Pakistan domestic scene.
 
El Generico said:
Fawad Alam and Nauman Ali’s success shows that domestic stats cannot be ignored. Squads should be picked on domestic numbers rather than hunches.
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More than that it shows how important is it to play at home after having a good domestic season behind you.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Where do all these players get stuck till they are 30+ ? :facepalm:
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Seems like they don't really get considered until we are desperate. Spinners especially should be picked on domestic performance as they are mostly only going to play in spin friendly conditions.
 
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Thunderbolt14 said:
The comparison was Shadab and Zahid, Qadir is no doubt better. However I don’t see why we need Zahid when Shadab is a better spinner even despite deteriorating, plus better batsman, and better fielder.
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Zahid was just being considered on the basis of current form. For continuity, I think that playing Usman Qadir will be much better.

Shadab IMO is not competing for the main spinner role, he's competing with Imad Wasim and Iftikhar Ahmed for those all-rounder slots.

However, in terms of bowling, you need on frontline spinner who can actually be threatening, and Usman Qadir fits that role well. If Shadab wants to confirm the all-rounder slot, he must improve his hitting game to compete with Iftikhar. Imad is a powerplay spinner, and he is quite economical, so dropping him will be a big decision.

Zahid is just someone from domestic who is competing for the slot according to the reports I've read. I wouldn't want him on the team by any means because Usman has already debuted, and he should be given continuity.
 
UzmanBeast said:
The thing is, Usman has shown control over his variations. His googly spins, his leg-break spins, and he uses the straight one as well.

Shadab doesn't spin his leg-break anymore, his googly usually skids or goes straight on, and I don't see him bowl the flipper anymore.

Usman bowled pretty decently in the New Zealand A games on tracks that didn't support spin, and he did well against Zimbabwe too. Shadab's bowling has deteriorated heavily since 2018, when he was at his peak. He is another player who peaked too early and is now struggling to live up to those performances.

Zahid is being selected by Mohammad Wasim, I can tell you that. I've seen a lot of claims and reports, and I wouldn't be surprised.

I'd rather go with Usman Qadir than Zahid, because the former has already debuted, and should be given a go to prove himself.

Shadab, whether people accept this or not, on the basis of current form is no longer enough to be our frontline spinner. I'd rather have him develop his batting more and become an all-rounder like Imad than see him occupy the main spinner role and get carted around.
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Last time I saw Usman
My only and biggest concern was lack of control and I highly doubt he fixed that issue
Easy to get wickets with variation in tamasha/low quality of torneys
But in serious cricket with that control I don't see him having a long career in int cricket
 
Wickets for Nauman today

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He has the variation, which is important. Can he control it well? Not to a very good extent.

However, I would like to see him near the team to get the required assistance from Mushtaq Ahmed, which would go a long way for him.

Additionally he has a PSL season coming up, and I'm assuming that he'll play all the matches.

We should try our options, because Shadab is not impressing me at all.
 
Bigboii said:
Last time I saw Usman
My only and biggest concern was lack of control and I highly doubt he fixed that issue
Easy to get wickets with variation in tamasha/low quality of torneys
But in serious cricket with that control I don't see him having a long career in int cricket
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He has the variation, which is important. Can he control it well? Not to a very good extent.

However, I would like to see him near the team to get the required assistance from Mushtaq Ahmed, which would go a long way for him.

Additionally he has a PSL season coming up, and I'm assuming that he'll play all the matches.

We should try our options, because Shadab is not impressing me at all.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Zahid was just being considered on the basis of current form. For continuity, I think that playing Usman Qadir will be much better.

Shadab IMO is not competing for the main spinner role, he's competing with Imad Wasim and Iftikhar Ahmed for those all-rounder slots.

However, in terms of bowling, you need on frontline spinner who can actually be threatening, and Usman Qadir fits that role well. If Shadab wants to confirm the all-rounder slot, he must improve his hitting game to compete with Iftikhar. Imad is a powerplay spinner, and he is quite economical, so dropping him will be a big decision.

Zahid is just someone from domestic who is competing for the slot according to the reports I've read. I wouldn't want him on the team by any means because Usman has already debuted, and he should be given continuity.
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Usman can't land 2 balls in the same place, he would need at least 2 series to get upto speed , and that may not enough
 
UzmanBeast said:
Zahid was just being considered on the basis of current form. For continuity, I think that playing Usman Qadir will be much better.

Shadab IMO is not competing for the main spinner role, he's competing with Imad Wasim and Iftikhar Ahmed for those all-rounder slots.

However, in terms of bowling, you need on frontline spinner who can actually be threatening, and Usman Qadir fits that role well. If Shadab wants to confirm the all-rounder slot, he must improve his hitting game to compete with Iftikhar. Imad is a powerplay spinner, and he is quite economical, so dropping him will be a big decision.

Zahid is just someone from domestic who is competing for the slot according to the reports I've read. I wouldn't want him on the team by any means because Usman has already debuted, and he should be given continuity.
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Where does Zahid Mehmood fit in? Nauman Ali has just cemented his position as second spinner in Tests and Yasir as first spinner.

Tests:
1. Azhar Ali
2. Imran Butt
3. Saud Shakeel
4. Babar Azam
5. Fawad Alam
6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. Yasir Shah
10. Nauman Ali
11. Shaheen Afridi

ODIs:
1. Imam ul Haq
2. Haider Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
5. Azam Khan / Saud Shakeel
6. Iftikhar Ahmed
7. Shadab Khan
8. Usman Qadir
9. Hassan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir / Haris Rauf / Mohammad Hasnain
11. Shaheen Afridi

T20Is:
1. Babar Azam
2. Fakhar Zaman / Sharjeel Khan
3. Haider Ali
4. Mohammad Hafeez
5. Azam Khan
6. Iftikhar Ahmed
7. Shadab Khan / Imad Wasim
8. Usman Qadir
9. Hassan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir / Haris Rauf / Mohammad Hasnain
11. Shaheen Afridi

Where does Zahid Mehmood fit in?
 
Just when I thought Pak had zero youngsters coming through. YOUNG Numan Ali shows the future is bright... him and Alam the spine of the team for decades to come...
 
AAli98 said:
Just when I thought Pak had zero youngsters coming through. YOUNG Numan Ali shows the future is bright... him and Alam the spine of the team for decades to come...
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They have helped win a test,enjoy the win. Too much nonsense is talked about Youngsters
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Where does Zahid Mehmood fit in? Nauman Ali has just cemented his position as second spinner in Tests and Yasir as first spinner.
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There have been rumours that he might get selected in T20s vs SA as Shadab is unavailable. Usman Qadir will be the first choice in the XI as he should be since he has been with team. To be honest I think Zahid has decent skillset, he was one of the few if not the only spinners who tested Haffez and Malik (Both are possibly still few of the best players of spin) in National T20 cup 2020.

In tests, yes till Yasir is fit and effective I dont see any other specialist leggy playing atleast in sub continent currently. Incase of two spinners, a finger spinner will provide better support.
 
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Did well today. Although I don't find his bowling pleasing to watch(that's on me), he did the job.
 
Kept it simple, did the basics right.

If as a spinner you had a choice on making your debut - home to South Africa would be right up there.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Where does Zahid Mehmood fit in? Nauman Ali has just cemented his position as second spinner in Tests and Yasir as first spinner.

Tests:
1. Azhar Ali
2. Imran Butt
3. Saud Shakeel
4. Babar Azam
5. Fawad Alam
6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. Yasir Shah
10. Nauman Ali
11. Shaheen Afridi

ODIs:
1. Imam ul Haq
2. Haider Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
5. Azam Khan / Saud Shakeel
6. Iftikhar Ahmed
7. Shadab Khan
8. Usman Qadir
9. Hassan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir / Haris Rauf / Mohammad Hasnain
11. Shaheen Afridi

T20Is:
1. Babar Azam
2. Fakhar Zaman / Sharjeel Khan
3. Haider Ali
4. Mohammad Hafeez
5. Azam Khan
6. Iftikhar Ahmed
7. Shadab Khan / Imad Wasim
8. Usman Qadir
9. Hassan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir / Haris Rauf / Mohammad Hasnain
11. Shaheen Afridi

Where does Zahid Mehmood fit in?
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As a rotational player, maybe on the bench.

I was saying that I heard reports that he was being considered for the T20 squad in absence of Shadab Khan.
 
What is his real age? I remember being impressed by Zulfiqar when he made his T20 debut bit his decline was rapid.
 
Debutant Nauman Ali completed a five-wicket haul to help Pakistan beat South Africa by seven wickets in the first Test at National Stadium, Karachi. In the process, the spinner created a handful of records.

On Day 4 of the match, Ali ran through Proteas' lower-order, taking the wickets of Temba Bavuma, George Linde, Kagiso Rabada and Anrich Nortje before Lunch. He had taken Aiden Markram's wicket on Day 3.

He thus became the oldest Pakistani spinner to take a five-wicket haul in an innings on Test debut. He is the oldest debutant – 34 years and 114 days – to take a five-wicket haul in men's Test cricket history in 71 years. He is also the oldest spinner to do so in 87 years.

He became the first Pakistan left-arm spinner to take five wickets on debut and the 12th Pakistani to take a five-wicket haul on Test debut.

"I was hopeful of getting a call-up after bowling well and taking wickets in the last two seasons of first-class cricket," the 34-year-old Nauman, who became the fourth oldest Test cricketer to debut for Pakistan, said in a virtual conference after making his bow.

He also became the first Pakistan left-arm spinner to take five wickets on debut and the 12th Pakistani to take a five-wicket haul on Test debut.

Coming from a small town 'Khipro', a subdivision of the Sanghar division in Pakistan's southern Sindh province, Nauman is among a handful of players from the rural areas of the province to get a chance to play for the national team.

"It has been a long journey. I was born and studied in Khipro but moved to Hyderabad to pursue a career as a professional cricketer with my uncle," he said. "My father works in the clerical staff of an oil factory in Hyderabad now."

Khipro is around 285 kilometers from Karachi and Nauman said it had not been easy for him to move to a big city as he belonged to a modest background.

Nauman took two wickets in the South African first innings total of 220 but impressed everyone with his disciplined line and length.

The second match in Rawalpindi starts on February 4.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...s-more-than-70-year-old-cricket-record/372571
 
Impressive with the bat as well Nauman in both Tests.
 
Aiden Markram's wicket

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Nauman's bowling analysed

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Aiden Markram's wicket

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More evidence that South Africa are probably the world's worst at playing spin bowling.
 
Could Nomi Chacha be the hero tomorrow?

No one has more of a role than Nomi Chacha right now. He should bring the hard yards of domestic experience into the match and blast SA out of the water. With the bat he should look to score atleast 25 runs and try to push Pakistan towards the 300 run leaf mark.

Then its all on him to work his magic and run circles around the SA batsmen. This match's outcome heavily depends on Nomi Chacha right now.
 
We say it so many times, where has this guy been for past ten years, could’ve been inducted to side at 27-28. Has good rhythm.
 
Rizwan to Nauman Ali, “Yeh U15 Ka Bacha Kon Hai?

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He's no mug with the bat either.

Some lovely shots today.

Always useful to have lower order players who can bat a bit.
 
Saj said:
He's no mug with the bat either.

Some lovely shots today.

Always useful to have lower order players who can bat a bit.
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I was just thinking the same, before he hit that six just now, Noman looks so relaxed with a bat and comfortable at the crease and his forward defensives would put more than half of the guys opening the batting for Pakistan in past 25 years to shame.

Noman Ali could open the batting , looks to have a good technique.
 
Well played Nauman Ali!

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Kaka4pope said:
We say it so many times, where has this guy been for past ten years, could’ve been inducted to side at 27-28. Has good rhythm.
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A combination of things: PCB's pathetic selection policies, Pakistan not playing at home and persistence with tried and tested failures.

Although, Nauman got out to a short ball but he played Nortje better than many SC "legends" would have.

He should have been selected a decade ago but he became yet another victim of circumstances.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what do you make of it?
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
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He should have been selected a decade ago but he became yet another victim of circumstances.?
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He was a late boomer and only came under radar in last 5 years give or take when he took majority of his 280 odd FC wickets. So 10 years ago he wasnt event getting/playing much FC cricket by the looks of it, I am not sure when he started cricket professionally.
 
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This is an amazing story and having seen his growth as a bowler in one test, it makes you wonder what could have been
 
Titan24 said:
He was a late boomer and only came under radar in last 5 years give or take when he took majority of his 280 odd FC wickets. So 10 years ago he wasnt event getting/playing much FC cricket by the looks of it, I am not sure when he started cricket professionally.
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According to Cricinfo he started his first class career in January 2007.

14 years of FC cricket. A bowling average of 23.66 with 5 10fers and more than 2100 runs with 10 50s.

Typical Pakistani cricketer forgotten in FC and only gets selected when he's about to retire.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
According to Cricinfo he started his first class career in January 2007.

14 years of FC cricket. A bowling average of 23.66 with 5 10fers and more than 2100 runs with 10 50s.

Typical Pakistani cricketer forgotten in FC and only gets selected when he's about to retire.
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Yes, he debuted in 2007 but, didnt play many matches until last 5-7 years. That is why he only has 80 FC matches under his belt in almost 14 years. More than 50-70% of his wickets came in last 3-4 years.
 
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Theres a definite case for him to be tried at white ball cricket

In particular odi , we don't have a quality offspinner and nauman offers good control , has some ability with the bat , atm he looks a lot better than the darter imad .
 
mazkhan said:
Theres a definite case for him to be tried at white ball cricket

In particular odi , we don't have a quality offspinner and nauman offers good control , has some ability with the bat , atm he looks a lot better than the darter imad .
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He was terrible in the PSL few years back. Let him do what he is good at
 
Big day for him tomorrow.

He and Yasir Shah have a big role to play if Pakistan is to win the series 2-0
 
Excellent support for Abid Ali and also about to get his maiden Test 50.
 
Maiden fifty for Nauman - excellent batting

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Old mans Jadeja .... shows how important a cool sane experienced head is, at times more important than talent

not sure how mobile he is in field, otherwise he can be a good LOI option as well
 
Hope he gets his century and is allowed bat longer.

Really don’t see a need to stop this momentum, let him get his double century.
 
Enjoyed watching his innings :)

Clean striker of the ball - a bit of Moeen Ali in his batting :P
 
So unlucky not to get his century. His partnership with Abid at a crucial time absolutely obliterated any sniff Zimbabwe had, and his acceleration after reaching 50 was remarkable. Went from 48 to 97 in just 19 balls.
 
Quite surprised he is such a good bat. Looks like a far more accomplished bat than Nawaz who seems to get favoured as an all rounder in L/O games. Probably a better bowler too. I know it was only Zimbabwe, but he was hitting all round the ground with some very tasty shots.
 
More of an all-rounder than the two phonies Shadab and Nawaz.

Should've been inducted into the Test squad a few years ago when we were messing around with mediocrities like Bilal Asif.
 
Noman Ali form~01.jpg

Cannot curse our old FC setup enough. Guys like Noman Ali would just get lost into in the system with a million teams and players.

Should've debuted after his 2018/19 season.
 
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Cannot curse our old FC setup enough. Guys like Noman Ali would just get lost into in the system with a million teams and players.

Should've debuted after his 2018/19 season.
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Basically he properly played only 3 FC seasons till 2017-18. Anyone knows why he didn't get to play much FC from his debut till 2018?
 
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Basically he properly played only 3 FC seasons till 2017-18. Anyone knows why he didn't get to play much FC from his debut till 2018?
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Too many damp, green FC pitches meaning military mediums were preferred over him. Think he played for the same team as domestic giants like Abbas, Sadaf, Rahat etc.
 
He can even bat better than our so called vice captain Shadab Khan lol.
 
Question is where was this guy rotting in the system for years , he's now ended up playing as a middle aged uncle who's probably in his mid 40s where was he 10 years ago .
 
looks a good cricketer with bat and ball so should be a main pick for tests at home, in asia and even WI tour.
 
Yasir_ch said:
He should be the main spinner from now on.Yasir Shah is done at this level now.
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Very rarely are SLA's used as frontline spinners, they are not incisive enough by themselves. Nauman will work well in tandem with an attacking leggie while comfortably batting at number 8. He's been a great find for Pakistan.
 
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He should be the main spinner from now on.Yasir Shah is done at this level now.
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Nah. Yasir is still the guy for spinning wickets. Don't see anyone else taking 5 fers consistently on slow pitches of Asia. Nauman is a good defensive bowler but his SR is not going to match Yasir's in any way.
 
mazkhan said:
Question is where was this guy rotting in the system for years , he's now ended up playing as a middle aged uncle who's probably in his mid 40s where was he 10 years ago .
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He is easily in 40s probably Misbahs age group

Joke going around Misbah called Iqbal Qasim to join team but he refused because of his cardiac ❤ health. Interestingly age was still on his side:)
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Has been decent in List A and T20s as well with both bat and ball.

Worth trying?
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His stats are definitely pretty decent and his performance today was brilliant. Nawaz has a gaping flaw in his ability to bat aggressively but Nauman was smacking them all around the park. Zimbabwe's bowling was club level though to be fair, but Nawaz isn't exactly great with the bat.

It would be amazing if we could give him a LOI series to see how he does, though i fear playing England on English pitches in our next assignment isn't really the right environment for a debut.
 
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Has been having quite a poor 2nd innings with the ball thus far. 1/62 after 12 overs, taking quite a beating from Chakabva.

As I say that, he gets Chakabva's wicket, so he gets the last laugh at least!
 
He's now taken 4 wickets in his last 26 balls, brilliant comeback.
 
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