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Absolutely, but what pushed it over the edge was that mainstream politicians started to blame and dehumanise Muslims too. Your Boris Johnson's and Michael Gove types. The ones at the very top, but Suella Braverman has been the most poisonous, she needs jailed for inciting hatred.
Please look out for this criminal.
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Jailed rioters may trigger prison overcrowding plan
An emergency plan to avoid prison overcrowding could be triggered as early as "next week" as more rioters are sentenced, the Prison Officer's Association has said.
Operation Early Dawn, a contingency that allows defendants to be held in police cells until prison spaces become available, could be used.
The government announced quick sentencing for those involved in the riots that followed the fatal stabbing of three girls in Southport, leading to hundreds appearing in courts across the UK.
But the POA's national chairman told BBC Radio 4's Broadcasting House on Sunday prgramme, this risks "clogging up prison cells".
Mark Fairhurst said he wouldn't be "surprised" if the Ministry of Justice at some point tomorrow morning announces that "Operation Early Dawn kicks into play at some point next week."
During Operation Early Dawn, defendants would not be allowed to leave the police cells for sentencing unless it was confirmed there was a prison bed available for them.
Mr Fairhurst warned that this "has a massive knock-on effect on the entire justice system" as police cells get clogged up, meaning officers "haven’t got the power to arrest people and put them away”, he explained.
He said last week saw 397 new receptions, the "biggest influx" he had seen for some time, and that on Friday, the adult male closed estate only had 340 spaces left.
Pressure on the prison system is "really, really tight", he warned, adding offenders could be sent hundreds of miles from home to serve a sentence in a prison with spaces.
Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood announced plans to cut the proportion of the sentence inmates must serve behind bars from 50% to 40%.
The temporary move - which does not apply to those convicted of sex offences, terrorism, domestic abuse or some violent offences - is expected to result in 5,500 offenders being released in September and October.
Last Monday, the government confirmed those involved in recent unrest will not be excluded from its plans to release some inmates from jail early.
MPs have already approved the laws allowing the plan to be put into action and any changes could require updating the legislation in a short space of time if additional exemptions were to be included.
Operation Early Dawn was previously triggered by the Conservative government in May in a bid to tackle overcrowding in jails.
Prison overcrowding: Influx of rioters may trigger emergency plan
The Prison Officers' Association warned plans to keep defendants in police cells could affect arrests.
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Lahore police probing claims about disinformation that sparked UK riots
More than a week after the UK witnessed widespread riots in the aftermath of the fatal stabbing of three young girls in Southport, law enforcement agencies in Pakistan are probing claims that the disinformation originated from a website that also has a footprint in Pakistan.
Recent reports aired by UK media identified a little-known platform, Channel3Now, as being the source of the disinformation that claimed the British-born 17-year-old suspect was a Muslim immigrant, who had arrived in the UK on a boat.
However, the assertion by UK broadcaster ITV News that a Pakistani individual was the originator of the false news story has been questioned, both by local law enforcement and other UK media outlets.
Lahore Deputy Inspector General (Operations) Faisal Kamran told Dawn they were analysing the claims made by UK broadcaster ITV News and had initiated a probe.
No official word on whether UK authorities have sought assistance from Pakistan
There has been no official word, both from UK and Pakistani authorities, about any formal contacts between the two governments on the issue.
But sources in local law enforcement say that the person identified in the ITV report was a freelancer working for the website, which aggregates crime-related news from UK and the US and republishes the stories for the sake of clicks and advertising revenue.
The BBC report, which tracked down several people linked to Channel3Now, also endorses the view that the platform appears to be “a commercial operation attempting to aggregate crime news while making money on social media”.
It recruits freelance writers from several countries, including Pakistan and India.
The BBC traced the people behind Channel3Now, including individuals in Pakistan, Canada and the US.
It also named an individual linked to the platform, Kevin, who said there are “more than 30” people in the US, UK, Pakistan and India who work for the site, which usually recruits freelancers.
But the subsequent ITV report, which included a doorstep interview confronting Farhan Asif — the Lahore-based contributor for Channel3Now — painted him as playing “a significant role in a network of news websites that have promoted falsehoods”.
It noted, however, that Channel3Now regularly publishes sensational news stories under the pretense of being an American-style TV channel.
The BBC, in contrast, quoted Kevin as saying that Farhan Asif in particular was not involved in the false Southport story, which the site has publicly apologised for, and blamed “our UK-based team”.
It is also worth mentioning that although the freelancer is referred to as a journalist in some reports, journalistic circles in Lahore say they’ve never heard of him.
Wider disinfo network
Despite claims of Russian backing for the website, the BBC could not verify any direct links between Channel3Now and Moscow either. However, the report did confirm that pro-Kremlin channels had amplified the website’s false stories, further fueling unrest in the UK .
BBC News’ disinformation correspondent Marianna Spring noted: “I did not find any evidence to substantiate claims that Channel3Now’s misinformation could be linked to the Russian state. [A] person claiming to be from Channel3Now‘s management told me that the publication of the false name “shouldn’t have happened, but it was an error, not intentional”.
Although no direct links with that operation have been proven, some observers say this website may be linked to the Srivastava Group, an Indian company that ran a vast network of anti-Pakistan fake news websites, which was unearthed by the EU DisinfoLab in a 2019 investigation.
Although many of the websites that were part of this disinformation network have been disbanded since they were exposed, it is possible that the same people are operating a new set of websites for similar purposes.
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No official word on whether UK authorities have sought assistance from Pakistan.
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Pakistan charges man over Southport attack disinformation
Pakistani authorities have charged a man accused of spreading disinformation thought to have fuelled unrest in the UK with cyber terrorism.
Police told the BBC that Farhan Asif was linked to Channel3Now, a website which posted an article in the hours after the Southport attack last month which gave a false name for the attacker and suggested he was an asylum seeker who arrived in the UK by boat last year.
The article was widely quoted in viral posts on social media.
Unrest broke out in England and Northern Ireland after the fatal stabbing attack, in which three young girls died.
On Tuesday, police in Lahore said they had questioned Mr Asif about the article.
An officer told the BBC that Mr Asif said he had written the article based on information copied from a UK-based social media account without verifying it. He said that he ran the website alone.
Pakistan’s Federal Investigation Agency has since taken up the case and will investigate whether anyone further is involved.
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Pakistani authorities have charged a man accused of spreading disinformation thought to have fuelled unrest in the UK with cyber terrorism.
Police told the BBC that Farhan Asif was linked to Channel3Now, a website which posted an article in the hours after the Southport attack last month which gave a false name for the attacker and suggested he was an asylum seeker who arrived in the UK by boat last year.
The article was widely quoted in viral posts on social media.
Unrest broke out in England and Northern Ireland after the fatal stabbing attack, in which three young girls died.
On Tuesday, police in Lahore said they had questioned Mr Asif about the article.
An officer told the BBC that Mr Asif said he had written the article based on information copied from a UK-based social media account without verifying it. He said that he ran the website alone.
Pakistan’s Federal Investigation Agency has since taken up the case and will investigate whether anyone further is involved.
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District court extends Lahore man’s physical remand by 4 days in UK disinformation case
A district court on Thursday extended the physical remand of a Lahore resident by four more days for his alleged role in fuelling the recent anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant riots in the UK through disinformation.
The suspect was initially taken into custody by Lahore police and later handed over to the FIA cybercrime wing which presented the suspect before a magistrate and sought his physical remand for investigation.
On Wednesday, a judicial magistrate allowed the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) one-day physical custody of Farhan Asif, who was accused of uploading a misleading news article on the website of Channel3Now.
The investigating officer had told the court that a case was registered against the suspect under the Prevention of Electronic Crime Act (Peca) 2016.
Today, while hearing the case, the judicial magistrate extended the remand of the suspect by four more days and ordered for him to be produced again after the stipulated time.
The agency’s lawyer argued that evidence from the accused needed to be recovered and an investigation into his posts on X was to be carried out.
The lawyer asked Judge Imran Abid for an extension which was subsequently granted by the court.
More than a week after the kingdom witnessed widespread riots in the aftermath of the fatal stabbing of three young girls in Southport, law enforcement agencies began probing claims that the disinformation originated from a website with a footprint in Pakistan.
Reports aired by UK media identified little-known platform Channel3Now as the source of the disinformation that claimed the British-born 17-year-old suspect was a Muslim immigrant who had arrived in the UK on a boat.
However, UK broadcaster ITV News asserted that a Pakistani individual was the originator of the false news story.
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UN committee slams UK over racism, incitement affecting minorities
The United Nations committee responsible for combatting racism has slammed the United Kingdom over continuing hate crimes, hate speech and xenophobic incidents, following riots fuelled by hate and misinformation that gripped the country this summer.
The UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) said on Friday it was concerned by the presence of racist speech on various platforms, particularly where perpetuated by politicians and public figures.
The committee also issued its findings on Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Venezuela, after reviewing them in its latest session.
CERD said in a statement that it was “particularly concerned about recurring racist acts and violence against ethnic and ethno-religious minorities, migrants, refugees and asylum-seekers by extremist far-right and white supremacist individuals and groups”, including the violence that took place in July and August.
Riots and unrest fuelled by xenophobia and misinformation surrounding the tragic killing of three girls in a stabbing incident swept across the country in more than a week of violence that saw about 600 people arrested.
Protests by far-right groups escalated into clashes with police in multiple towns, which saw hotels housing asylum seekers torched and mosques and businesses run by ethnic and religious minorities attacked.
The three young girls were stabbed to death during a Taylor Swift-themed dance and yoga workshop at a community centre in Southport, England, by a 17-year-old suspect, Axel Rudakubana. He was born in Cardiff, the Welsh capital, reportedly to Christian Rwandan parents. But false information on social media claimed the suspect w
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Pakistan drops Southport attack disinformation case
Authorities in Pakistan have dropped a case against a man who was arrested last week in relation to disinformation thought to have fuelled the recent UK riots.
Police said they could not find evidence that Farhan Asif was the originator of the news and so were not continuing with the case.
Leaving a Lahore court on Monday, Mr Asif declined to answer the BBC’s questions.
Unrest broke out in England and Northern Ireland earlier this month, after disinformation spread about the name and identity of the alleged perpetrator of a stabbing attack in Southport in which three young girls died.
A BBC investigation had linked Mr Asif to a website called Channel3Now, which posted an article that included a false name for the alleged attacker, and wrongly suggested he was an asylum seeker who arrived in the UK by boat last year.
The article was shared widely on social media and quickly went viral.
In Monday's court session, police said that Mr Asif was a freelancer at a private channel and that they found he had shared news by a different social media account in the UK.
After UK police had refuted the false information he had shared, Mr Asif deleted the posts and issued an apology on Channel3now for sharing the news, police said.
The judge asked Mr Asif if he now realised he should be careful about the information he shares online.
BBC Verify previously tracked down several people linked to Channel3Now and questioned someone who claimed to be “management” at the site.
That person told the BBC that the publication of the false name “shouldn’t have happened, but it was an error, not intentional”.
False information about the attacker spread online after three young girls were killed at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class on 29 July.
Violent disorder then broke out in Southport before spreading to towns and cities across England and Northern Ireland, fuelled by misinformation, the far-right and anti-immigration sentiment.
In the past three weeks, more than 500 people have been charged in relation to the disorder and at least 170 sentenced, many being sent to jail.
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Thomas Birley: Arsonist involved in fire outside migrant hotel handed longest sentence yet over UK riots
An arsonist who stoked a fire outside a Rotherham hotel hosting asylum seekers during last month's riots has been jailed for nine years.
It is the longest sentence handed down so far over last month's violence, which erupted across the UK following the killing of three children in a stabbing at a dance class in Southport.
Thomas Birley, 27, of Swinton, near Rotherham, previously pleaded guilty to a charge of arson with intent to endanger life, one count of violent disorder, and possession of an offensive weapon - a police baton.
He was sentenced to nine years in custody with five years on license as part of a 14-year extended sentence.
It comes after masked rioters broke into the Holiday Inn Express hotel in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, which was being used to provide accommodation for asylum seekers, and destroyed a communal area, as violence escalated in towns and cities across the UK.
More than 50 police officers were injured, the sentencing judge, Jeremy Richardson KC, said as he detailed the impact the disorder had on hotel staff, its occupants and the local community.
Sheffield Crown Court heard that, during the riots, Birley was part of a group that smashed ground-floor windows and called the police "f****** nonce protectors".
During the riot, a fire was lit outside the hotel and Birley, a painter and decorator, was seen adding a piece of chipboard to it. He was also seen helping to move a bin on top of the fire.
In sentencing, the judge said it was "clear as clear can be" that Birley was "intent on spreading a hateful message of violence and racism".
"It appears you hold views that are anti-empathetic to those seeking refuge in the UK," the judge said.
"You said you went to the hotel to voice your opinion. You were encouraged to do what you did because of posts on social media.
"You knew you were going to participate in racist mob violence - you took a scarf on a warm day to cover your face."
The riots came following a wave of disinformation, spread largely by far-right accounts on social media, surrounding the identity of the Southport suspect - who it was wrongly claimed was an asylum seeker who had arrived in the UK by boat.
The judge said Birley's case was "unquestionably" the most serious to come before him in relation to the rioting outside the hotel.
During the sentencing, the prosecution told the court that by 12:30pm, crowds at the hotel had grown to 400.
Police cordoned the entrance off but protesters broke through, with many entering the Holiday Inn Express and causing "lots of damage".
The court heard Birley also chanted "Yorkshire" while taking part in the disorder.
Birley was involved in a "persistent and widespread act of violence on people and property," which lasted more than 12 hours.
The defence said Birley keeps himself isolated as he suffers from ADHD, that he had had a difficult start to life but was a working man.
Birley, the defence added, had only been an "enthusiastic contributor" to the disorder seen at the hotel, rather than the architect of it.
During the unrest, hotel staff were taken to the panic room, where they barricaded themselves in by pushing freezers against the doors, the judge said.
"Staff were panicking and crying", he said, before adding: "They thought they were going to die."
Speaking of people trapped in the hotel at the time it came under attack, the judge said: "None were physically injured but all were mentally scared."
He said the violence had impacted local residents too, who were scared of protesters breaking into their homes.
One resident said "she's been scared to leave her home since".
Judge Richardson quoted the police as saying the financial impact from the unrest at the hotel was estimated to be £1million.
Thomas Birley: Arsonist involved in fire outside migrant hotel handed longest sentence yet over UK riots
Thomas Birley, 27, has been sentenced to nine years over his role in the riots at the Holiday Inn Express in Rotherham, a hotel housing asylum seekers who were targeted by "racist mob violence".
Ehsan Hussain used fake name in social media to stir up racial hatred in Birmingham during summer riots
An Asian man used the fake name Chris Nolan on social media to stir up racial hatred in Birmingham during the summer riots, saying: “We need to take back what’s ours.”
Ehsan Hussain, 25, used the name to post messages calling for disorder during disorder that spread across Britain.
The messages appeared on a Telegram chat group called “Southport Wake Up”, which had more than 12,000 members.
Screenshots of the messages, obtained by police, show Hussain urging people to “conquer Alum Rock”, a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood, saying: “Sick of these smelly scumbags”.
Other racist messages, Hussain’s contribution to a conversation he had with two other users, included: “We’ve got a Blues match on Saturday; we can do a part 2 on Saturday get these p--- scums out.”
He also wrote: “Birmingham first! We need to take back whats ours” and “we doing p--- bashing”
An Asian man used the fake name Chris Nolan on social media to stir up racial hatred in Birmingham during the summer riots, saying: “We need to take back what’s ours.”
Ehsan Hussain, 25, used the name to post messages calling for disorder during disorder that spread across Britain.
The messages appeared on a Telegram chat group called “Southport Wake Up”, which had more than 12,000 members.
Screenshots of the messages, obtained by police, show Hussain urging people to “conquer Alum Rock”, a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood, saying: “Sick of these smelly scumbags”.
Other racist messages, Hussain’s contribution to a conversation he had with two other users, included: “We’ve got a Blues match on Saturday; we can do a part 2 on Saturday get these p--- scums out.”
He also wrote: “Birmingham first! We need to take back whats ours” and “we doing p--- bashing”
Birmingham man admits riots social media race hate posts
Ehsan Hussain is told to expect a lengthy custodial sentence for his actions.
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What a confused fella. Reminds me of the Muslim version of you a bit bro.Ehsan Hussain used fake name in social media to stir up racial hatred in Birmingham during summer riots
An Asian man used the fake name Chris Nolan on social media to stir up racial hatred in Birmingham during the summer riots, saying: “We need to take back what’s ours.”
Ehsan Hussain, 25, used the name to post messages calling for disorder during disorder that spread across Britain.
The messages appeared on a Telegram chat group called “Southport Wake Up”, which had more than 12,000 members.
Screenshots of the messages, obtained by police, show Hussain urging people to “conquer Alum Rock”, a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood, saying: “Sick of these smelly scumbags”.
Other racist messages, Hussain’s contribution to a conversation he had with two other users, included: “We’ve got a Blues match on Saturday; we can do a part 2 on Saturday get these p--- scums out.”
He also wrote: “Birmingham first! We need to take back whats ours” and “we doing p--- bashing”
Birmingham man admits riots social media race hate posts
Ehsan Hussain is told to expect a lengthy custodial sentence for his actions.www.bbc.co.uk
Nah these guys are of a kind..trust me. Slowly UK is realizing including BBC
@DeadlyVenom - you want more Pakistanis pretending to be white in twitter? Google Barry Stanton.
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Dunno who he is.
Btw Indians are king of fake accounts on X. One or two examples won't change that.
Brother Barry was pretending to be white patriot, going after Jews and Blacks. Then he took the fight with Indians and calling us the usual things Pakistani's call Hindus (you can guess). There were non stop anti India posts for 2 weeks, Indians mass complained and his twitter account is now deleted.
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He could have been a white patriot no?
Did you see the post I shared in the Kamala Harris thread about what American right wing politicians called her?
Anyway I don't use X just because of this type of thing. Everyone is angry and spews bile and too many Indians are on it too.
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Southport attack: Murder suspect Axel Rudakubana charged after ricin and al Qaeda manual found
The teenager accused of stabbing three girls to death in Southport faces a separate terror charge after police said a biological toxin and an al Qaeda training manual were found in a search of his home.
Axel Rudakubana, 18, from Lancashire, had already been charged with three counts of murder and 10 counts of attempted murder following the mass stabbing at a Taylor Swift-themed dance workshop in July.
At a briefing today, Chief Constable Serena Kennedy from Merseyside Police said the teenager now faces two further charges related to evidence obtained by police following searches of his home after the attacks.
She said he now faces one charge of the "production of a biological toxin, namely ricin, contrary to Section 1 of the Biological Weapons Act 1974".
He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000".
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The teenager accused of stabbing three girls to death in Southport faces a separate terror charge after police said a biological toxin and an al Qaeda training manual were found in a search of his home.
Axel Rudakubana, 18, from Lancashire, had already been charged with three counts of murder and 10 counts of attempted murder following the mass stabbing at a Taylor Swift-themed dance workshop in July.
At a briefing today, Chief Constable Serena Kennedy from Merseyside Police said the teenager now faces two further charges related to evidence obtained by police following searches of his home after the attacks.
She said he now faces one charge of the "production of a biological toxin, namely ricin, contrary to Section 1 of the Biological Weapons Act 1974".
He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000".
Southport attack: Murder suspect Axel Rudakubana charged after ricin and al Qaeda manual found
Axel Rudakubana has already been charged with three counts of murder and 10 counts of attempted murder following the mass stabbing at a Taylor Swift-themed dance workshop in July.
Like what indians call pakistanis and Muslims
How? Is he Muslim?
How is it an ‘Islamic Terrorist attack’
Forgive me…Where does it say he is Muslim??
How does possession of said manual make him Muslim
Why would a non-muslim keep Al Qaeda manual?
Also he has been charged with Islamic terrorism by UK police. Thats why I said read the document first.
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What about those ‘certain sections’ who are being systematically wiped out indiscriminately, babies, children, women , whose side are you on… humanities?? You will of course defend them blindly like your very life depends in it… such prabhu
Dont need nor want your forgiveness… this isnt gujrat
If some how one discovers the IDF-shin bet- mossad - guide to making friends, does it make him a jew?
Islamophobia certainly lives in your head rent free..
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Al-Qaeda has nothing to do with Islam. They are extremist and having a manual of this organization does not make you Muslim.
Not everything is about Muslims like some people trying hard to portray.
Not everything is about Muslims like some people trying hard to portray.
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What does it have to do with then, Hinduism?
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Al-qaeda represents ISLAM??
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Islam has nothing to do with such terrorist organizations. You can call yourself anything, Muslim or whatever but it does not mean you follow the real Islam. These guys have been brain-washed and a real Muslim will never acknowledge these guys.
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Goodness! Al Qaeda's foundation base itself is Islam. They have killed and continue to kill people on that base. Same applies to those hundreds of Islamist terrorist organisations. Whom do they kill and continue to kill for, Christianity or Hinduism?
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Read about Islam and then you will know what the real teaching of ISLAM is. You should read about Islam rather than search about such terrorist organizations.
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According to Al Qaeda, nobody is more Muslim than them.
Dont waste your breath and energy, it what they have been taught since young age. Islam is NOT represented nor affiliated with these thug entities.
Those who control the media, set the narrative and agenda.
Who controls the media..?
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Yea, it's just a co-incidence that the most most notorious terrorist organisations are all Islamic. In fact you can count the Islamist terrorist organisations on one hand, and the count the rest on your other hand.
And anyone who mentions it is a racist Islamophobic.
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Read about ISLAM and then your eyes will open.
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Any answer to my post rather than advising me to study about Islam? Why doesn't any other religion breed terrorism in the same proportions?
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Look around the world and you'll see plenty of terrorist acts being committed by non Muslims as well as non Muslim countries
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Which is in the majority? I mean terrorist organisations, which is in majority?
You are getting irated just bcoz truth has been exposed.
Axel Rudakubana was using Al Qaeda manual which inspired him to kill those 3 kids.
Al Qaeda is a banned Islamist (read clearly ISLAMIST) terror organization.
UK police have charged him for terror offence.
And If I call it as it is, I become Islamophobic, is it?
How does it matter what is this guy's religion? It is clear that he was inspired by Al Qaeda's teachings. If anything, you should blame Al Qaeda for portraying your religion in bad light rather than calling me a Islamophobe.
BTW, in 2024 is the Islamophobia drama and victim card still works?
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Do you know which country suffers the most because of terrorism? Those are Muslim countries. Terrorists have no religion brother. Islam has nothing to do with these guys.
You can read this report as well of you do not want to trust me.
Are most victims of terrorism Muslim?
After the Charlie Hebdo attack, a Paris imam condemned the murders but also said that 95% of victims of terrorism are Muslim. How accurate is this statistic?
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Do you know which country suffers the most because of terrorism? Those are Muslim countries. Terrorists have no religion brother. Islam has nothing to do with these guys.
You can read this report as well of you do not want to trust me.
Are most victims of terrorism Muslim?
After the Charlie Hebdo attack, a Paris imam condemned the murders but also said that 95% of victims of terrorism are Muslim. How accurate is this statistic?www.bbc.com
Easy for you to say but when these terrorist organizations attack innocent people and claims they are doing it for Islam, how do you think outsiders would react? I agree no religion teaches bad things and what likes of Al Qaeda etc is doing is distorting your religion for their individual benefits. That is why muslims around the world need to be more vocal and condemn these terror outfits openly. However all I see is most muslims (like the poster here I was dealing with) is more busy blaming others of Islamophobia than blaming organizations like Al Qaeda for defaming their religion.
Didnt your ex PM called Osama Bin Laden a Shaheed?
Where is HE a Muslim?? Where? did you ask him?!
Anyone can use any literature to perpetrate crimes..doesnt make them a follower of Islam or anything ffs
So if tomorrow i pick up gita and slay
Muslims for cow eating i am a hindu?
Just like questioning the current genocide taking place makes one an anti semitic..?
Rest of your post is just word salad
TLDR muslims need to answer to hindus otherwise we will carry on and cast aspersions as we see fit
Why do you need to justify anything to them?! Let them believe what they want. Tommy Robinson loves themDo you know which country suffers the most because of terrorism? Those are Muslim countries. Terrorists have no religion brother. Islam has nothing to do with these guys.
You can read this report as well of you do not want to trust me.
Are most victims of terrorism Muslim?
After the Charlie Hebdo attack, a Paris imam condemned the murders but also said that 95% of victims of terrorism are Muslim. How accurate is this statistic?www.bbc.com
When did I say he is a muslim?
All I said was this Southport attack turned out to be another Islamic terrorist attack as said by UK police.
Looks like you are having comprehension issues.
Sure if someone attacks 3 kids and kill them getting inspired by Gita, people will blame hinduism. However, these hypothetical scenarios has no meaning.
10/10 on deflecting the blame though.
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Why is it considered an Islamic terrorist attack? Why is it inspired by Islam?
The perpetrator wasn't a Muslim, he didn't proclaim anything Islam related, no family links to Islam etc.
Surely you're not claiming a book found in his home automatically assumes responsibility of said author of the book as being the inspiration behind the attack? Similarly if there was a book on Hinduism on his bedside table would it mean Hinduism inspired the attack? Extremely unnuanced, immoral and ignorance from what you've said.
Leave him be..
He has quotas to fulfill
UK police have linked the Southport attacks with terrorism inspired by Al Qaeda manual. So these are not my words but the charge laid by police. Bringing hinduism 100 of times won't change the fact. You should be condemning Organizations like Al qaeda for defaming your religion rather than arguing with me for pointing out the reality. Then again, some country considers Bin Laden as Shaheed...so condemning Al Qaeda is out if scope.
An Islamic attack carried out by .. well errmm dont know but errmm i think he is a Muslim but err i cant prove it but that doesnt matter because #FACTS etc etc etc
R.I.P innocent victims, may you get the justice you deserve. Life taken away for no justification whatsoever.
The UK Muslim community stands with you Southport and feels your pain.
To the perpetrator, May this vile excuse of a human piece of *”*% get the justice he deserves.
There is no quota. I speak the truth. I know it is inconvinient for you listening to me...so apologies in advance.
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Genuinely which Muslim have you met that doesn't condemn Al Qaeda/ISIS? They're extremist terror groups and everyone knows that. We KNOW they're terror groups, why would WE need to condemn them?
I've never met a Muslim that has defended any of these terror groups so I don't know what fantasy land you're living in.
Not sure what are you trying to say here but looks like you are typing in an angry state of mind.
This is the 4th time I am repeating, no where did I mention the religion of that guy. However, he was inspired by Al Qaeda manual which is a banned Islamic terrorist organization. Hence UK police have charged him (yet another one) on the pretext of Islamic terrorism. What religion he was born is irrelevant here.
Yaara why?!
Flavour of the month sells, these guys have the best chaska
Honestly I have not met a single muslim that condemns these terrorist organization. They either call them American puppets, staged actors or paid mercenaries. It is somehow always others fault. Again I repeat, didnt your ex PM called Bin Laden a Shaheed? He was leader of Al Qaeda no?
Who are these guys 'yaara'? You mean the entire saner world that don't support Islamic Jihad?
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Have you condemned the Butcher of Gujrat, Modi?
See this whataboutery is the issue. It is always someone else's problem or fault. Hinduism, Modi, IDF etc has nothing to do with this discussion but merely a distraction tactics. However, why should you even distract? As a genuine man you should condemn that terrorist rather for killing 3 kids inspired by Al Qaeda manual. But that is too much of an expectation and the biggest reason world has "Islamophobia".
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Stop with the deflection, diversion and whataboutery. Random bradford guy has all the #FACTS
Again you are posting without any context. This is what BBC says:
Axel Rudakubana: Southport murders accused facing terror charge - BBC News
Axel Rudakubana is accused of producing the poison ricin and possessing a study of an al-Qaeda training manual.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Just about every well known Islamic personality on social media condemns terrorism, and most of them condemn ISIS/Al Qaeda by name. I don't know which Muslims you have met, but you should probably report them to the police if you are telling the truth.
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Hopefully this isn't used as a justification for street riots targetting innocent civilians and their property as happened following the Southport murders. I'm not sure what @Rajdeep is arguing for, but hopefully not that.
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Have been informed by Canadian Muslims that there is some Pentup anger among the natives there for certain groups.
@sweep_shot seems like a similar situation?
@sweep_shot seems like a similar situation?
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It’s ok, you don’t know what white Natives went through there as you don’t live here so it’s not applicable to you.
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West should follow gulf model.
If anyone participates in riot and targets innocents, deport the person. Problem solved.
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You don’t live in in Gulf, Dubai is the king of criminal lords.
I was born in a gulf country, and since you aren’t part of one, it’s not applicable to you because you don’t know the reality.
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I wasn't talking about the white natives I was mentioning a Sri Lankan guy who got his shop burned down.
I don't need to be his next door neighbour to have sympathy for him.
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One should be able to condemn violence and not put it out as “Pent up anger” as some Bangla Canadian tried to make an excuse for white Canadians if they attack Indians in future.
Any innocent person harmed for jus going about living his life whether in Palestine or India, Canada or Japan one should be able to have sympathy for them.
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Not guilty pleas entered for Southport stabbings suspect Axel Rudakubana after he refuses to speak
Not guilty pleas have been entered on behalf of Southport stabbings suspect Axel Rudakubana after he refused to speak in court.
The 18-year-old appeared at Liverpool Crown Court today by video-link from Belmarsh prison, wearing a grey tracksuit.
He didn't answer when asked to confirm his name and sat fiddling with his hands as a prison officer confirmed he could hear the court.
Rudakubana refused to reply when the clerk read out the indictment and the judge Mr Justice Goose directed not guilty pleas should be entered on all 16 counts.
He is charged with three counts of murder, 10 of attempted murder and possession of a kitchen knife over the attack in the Merseyside town on 29 July.
Bebe King, six, Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, and nine-year-old Alice da Silva Aguiar were killed, while eight other children, aged between seven and 13, were injured, along with yoga instructor Leanne Lucas and businessman John Hayes.
Rudakubana was aged 17 at the time of the attack at The Hart Space, which has not been declared terror-related, according to Merseyside Police.
He was later charged with producing ricin and allegedly possessing an al Qaeda training manual apparently found in searches of his home in Banks, Lancashire, in the days after the mass stabbing.
The first additional charge, under the Biological Weapons Act 1974, states that he produced a biological toxin, namely ricin, on or before 29 July.
The second, under Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000, alleges he possessed a PDF file entitled "Military Studies In The Jihad Against The Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual".
Rudakubana is due to face trial at the same court on 20 January, with the case expected to last up to four weeks.
There were around 15 family members of the victims in court for today's hearing, including Alice's parents.
At times, Rudakubana swayed his head from side to side, bowed his head towards his knees and wobbled his jaw.
The judge told him: "Your trial will now take place on 20 January and you will be transferred from where you are now to a more convenient place for the purposes of attending this court."
Not guilty pleas entered for Southport stabbings suspect Axel Rudakubana after he refuses to speak
The 18-year-old faces trial at Liverpool Crown Court on 20 January.
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