Robert
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Silverwood has to go.
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Going to struggle everywhere except hometown pitches. Yes there is height but pace is pedestrian, unlike Jamieson who's both a little bouncier and pacier in comparison.
Robinson is the real deal, and I've not said that about a new England bowler for a long time. He has Gus Fraser's bounce and movement off the deck, but unlike Fraser he swings it both ways too.
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He's a very good bowler on helpful surfaces. This Oval pitch has offered historic levels of seam movement but only someone with that extreme high release can exploit it he way he did. Has increased his pace as well.
Very interesting to see how he will go on a flat deck.
Bowling average is just 20.
What a find he could be.
Angus Fraser? If Ollie maintains that 82 mph average speed and continues to be this accurate, he is miles ahead of Angus Fraser.
The 90's were a bowling decade and Angus Fraser was somewhere between decent to terrible everywhere except on those broken Caribbean wickets.
That’s doing Fraser a massive disservice.
He averaged 27 in tests, compared to 26 by Anderson and 28 by Broad.
He took thirteen test 5fers and two tenfers in 46 tests. He took two 8fers in WI against Lara and Chanderpaul.
Trouble was that he came up in the time where it was impossible for England bowlers to stay fit due to the Country workload. Had he played in the central contracts era I have no doubt that he would have 500+ test wickets.
Robinson is very like him in style and accuracy, but can swing it while Big Gus couldn’t. If he stays fit he will go far.
Fraser record is extremely skewed due to his performances in the Caribbean. His record is pretty average even in England and he didn't even tour Asia.
Many international bowlers had severe workloads in that era - Walsh, Ambrose, Wasim and they have much better, balanced records in Test cricket.
Hear that he,along with Overton, is the next great green travk/Dukes ball bully after Jimmy/Broad. Thread to track his performance.
In Australia with Kookaburra: average 25, s/r 58
In Pakistan with Kookaburra: average 21, s/r 51.
The performance in Australia was poor considering the extremely bowler friendly conditions.
He has subsequently increased his pace and gotten much fitter. At his current pace and skillset, he can definitely offer more threat.
To me “extremely bowler friendly” means Headingly in the eighties - swing, seam and variable bounce too. The Australian wickets offered more help through the air than usual for the bowlers due to El Niño, but there was still predictable bounce.
Robbo is very accurate, gets a lot of lift and swings it both ways. He will take wickets everywhere and be England’s ace for the next five years.
Last year, the OZ wickets were much more helpful than Headungley. There was plenty of seam movement off the pitch as well.
Robinsons performance there was average compared to the other quicks in the series.
Do you remember Headingley in the eighties?
Hear that he,along with Overton, is <b>the next great green travk/Dukes ball bully after Jimmy/Broad</b>. Thread to track his performance.
Apologies. Didn't read the 80's part. Anyway the point stands. These were tough wickets for batting. Bowlers in the last Ashes who had better averages than Robinson
Boland
Starc
Hazelwood
Cummins
Richardson
Green
Jimmy
Given the context, that wasn't a particularly impressive performance.
Just noticed this was your OP post.
Another world class prediction to add to the list.
Ollie’s efforts in Pakistan were a bit special, not sure he’ll go past Anderson or Broad wickets total but his average & strike rate around the world will likely be superior to both.
He definitely deserves the sack.
[MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] Not sure if you were taking the mick by calling my prediction a world classI've made plenty of accurate predictions ' WT20 2021, 2022, Ashes last year to name a few.
Ollie was not impressive in the Ashes. He was trundling at 115 kph and resorted to bowling offspin. I don't care what his stats say . I watched that series and he was inferior to all the OZ bowlers on some of the friendliest bowling surfaces ever served up in Australia.
To Ollie's credit he has gotten leaner and quicker, on average , and that will help him bowl on all kinds of surfaces. The version of Ollie that we saw in the Ashes was nothing special.
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He's a very good bowler on helpful surfaces. This Oval pitch has offered historic levels of seam movement but only someone with that extreme high release can exploit it he way he did. Has increased his pace as well.
Very interesting to see how he will go on a flat deck.
Usman Khawaja on Ollie Robinson's tirades targetted at him
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Robinson, who had given Khawaja a hearty send-off in the first innings for which he could yet face the wrath of the match referee, was spoken to by umpires during a drinks break before the paceman appeared to share a smile with the Australian.
"The other day, the crowd was so loud I had no idea," Khawaja said of the send-off that Robinson suggested was merely an evening of the ledger following years of similar tirades directed at England players from Australians of previous generations.
"Today there was nothing much in it. Just a bit of friendly banter. This game was played in pretty good spirits for most of it.
"It’s not just about winning, it’s about how we win, which has changed a lot from past years I played cricket.
"I think the game was played in pretty good spirit … There wasn’t much in it."
However I think that, Australia will now go real hard at Robinson and in a pressure cooker environment of Ashes, they may well succeed in breaking Robinson apart. Australians are masters of that.
In a series in Australia — 100%.
Whereas in a series in England, Robinson will enjoy strong backing from his home crowds.
Interesting little sub plot either way.
England quick Ollie Robinson was reportedly let off with a stern warning for his expletive-laden send off of Usman Khawaja during Australia’s first innings at Edgbaston.
In the midst of his celebrations after snaring Khawaja for 141, Robinson said: “F** off, you f*ing p**k.”
Although no action was taken at the time or after the first Test had concluded, the Sydney Morning Herald reports match officials considered Robinson’s send-off was a “borderline case.”
According to the International Cricket Council’s (ICC) code of conduct, any kind of “send-off” is prohibited, including “verbally abusing the dismissed batter.”
If a player is charged and is found guilty, they can be fined up to 50 per cent of their match fee.
Who's the match referee? Chris Broad or someone of same group? Won't be surprised after seeing that he was let off after just a warning.