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[VIDEOS] Pakistan drop Babar Azam, Naseem Shah and Shaheen Shah Afridi for second and third Tests against England [Update at Post#99]

Have the selectors made the right decision in dropping Babar Azam,Naseem Shah & Shaheen Shah Afridi?

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AAli98 said:
What wonders? Ain’t beaten top3 since 2021 Ireland Zimbabwe showing you there teeth.. surprised Eng ain’t gone home should refuse to play with pathetic opposition.
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Now that 30 run difference between us and Uganda has also gone?
 
Markhor said:
Look at these figures and tell me whether you still think Babar deserves to be retained.

If the likes of Inzamam or Younis can be dropped in their careers, who the heck is Babar ?

This is professional sport and there has to be accountability. Only in Pakistan do we hear this emotional dramabaazi about iconic players, experience etc etc.

The only mistake was not dropping him before the series. With the Presidents Trophy ongoing - now is the best time to drop him so he can get some much needed domestic red ball cricket under his belt.

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Just for the comparison... 17 Babar innings vs 31 Kohli innings...

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YousafTheBeast said:
I’ll just leave this here. 🤡
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Where did I say that sacking Shaheen was the right decision?

Reappointing Babar was the right thing to do after the bad decision of sacking Shaheen had already taken place. However, Shaheen should not have been sacked in the first place.

I’m okay with either of Babar, Shaheen and Rizwan captaining in all three formats.
 
sweep_shot said:
Bold move. Dropping 3 of the main players.

I think Naseem shouldn't have been dropped.
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Naseem and Shaheen both deserve the chop no matter what’s the pitch like conceding 800 runs with 550 behind your back deserves accountability
 
Asif321 said:
Dropping Naseem doesn’t make sense . Shaheen and Babar rightly dropped but shafique and Saim shouldn’t have been in squad too
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Neither should saud one innings ist enough the whole team shud be out and put under 19s in
 
Why could they not take a punt on Hasnain or Jahandad instead of going for Hamza and that useless Daisy if they had performed you had one more option in your locker if not no biggie these pitches are not for pacers anyway
 
offstump said:
Hamza can land the ball in the same place six times which is an upgrade in it of itself
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Averages 42 in Test cricket and averages 73 in Tests held in Pakistan.

Hamza needs good new ball conditions to do anything.

He can't do anything without helpful pitches or overhead conditions.
 
Mamoon said:
Where did I say that sacking Shaheen was the right decision?

Reappointing Babar was the right thing to do after the bad decision of sacking Shaheen had already taken place. However, Shaheen should not have been sacked in the first place.

I’m okay with either of Babar, Shaheen and Rizwan captaining in all three formats.
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You cannot say appointing Babar as the captain was the right thing to do and hold a view that contradicts it by saying that Shaheen shouldn’t have been sacked.

Before Shaheen was officially sacked, Babar was already having meetings with Naqvi. If Babar declined, Shaheen wouldn’t have been sacked. Naqvi was never to going to make Rizwan captain, he thought he would win the fans over by making Babar the captain again.
 
Good decision. Let the weepers weep on Twitter. Nobody is bigger than the country.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
You cannot say appointing Babar as the captain was the right thing to do and hold a view that contradicts it by saying that Shaheen shouldn’t have been sacked.

Before Shaheen was officially sacked, Babar was already having meetings with Naqvi. If Babar declined, Shaheen wouldn’t have been sacked. Naqvi was never to going to make Rizwan captain, he thought he would win the fans over by making Babar the captain again.
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I said reappointing Babar was the right thing to do after Shaheen was sacked. If you had asked if Shaheen should have been sacked in the first place or not, I would have said no.
 
Completely the right call. We need merit.
Player power and love for the king and his lottas had gone to the point where it had become a huge issue for Pakistan cricket

Playing for Pakistan should be an honor and if players can't see that, they should be dropped.

Babar hasan ali shahdhab shaheen have all become clowns with thier entitled mindset
 
IA Babar will back. If doesn't then he only has himself to blame as he is amongst the talented player we have produced in 2000s. As I have said before Babar should open the batting and although technically his game isn't in a good place, it's still better than our 2 other openers. It will also give him time to play to his tempo and when the spinners come on, he will already be in.
 
Bewal Express said:
IA Babar will back. If doesn't then he only has himself to blame as he is amongst the talented player we have produced in 2000s. As I have said before Babar should open the batting and although technically his game isn't in a good place, it's still better than our 2 other openers. It will also give him time to play to his tempo and when the spinners come on, he will already be in.
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Bobzy can come back fresh for all important Zimbabwe tour.
 
Bewal Express said:
Maybe but more importantly he needs his confidence back.
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How does he build back his confidence in Pakistan?

In England for example when a player goes back to county to gain a bit of form there is usually no coverage as nobody really cares.

Babars every move will be scrutinized. It will be difficult for him to work on his game under the radar.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
How does he build back his confidence in Pakistan?

In England for example when a player goes back to county to gain a bit of form there is usually no coverage as nobody really cares.

Babars every move will be scrutinized. It will be difficult for him to work on his game under the radar.
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That is the difficult part. Our Domestic scene has all the competitive elements of the Derbyshire League division 2 championship. These clowns wrecked a system which could have allowed real competition as it evolved.
 
Mamoon said:
This is an excellent decision, well done Masood/Gillespie/Naqvi.

It is so important to protect Babar right now. All he needs is to refresh his mind by sitting out a few matches and he will be back with a bang and be ready to dominate for the next 5-6 years.

It is important to protect his mental health right now and from the toxic fans who clearly don’t want him to succeed.
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First you bet on the wrong horse.

Now you insist on betting on the wrong rider.

This will destroy any legacy you had.
 
Bewal Express said:
That is the difficult part. Our Domestic scene has all the competitive elements of the Derbyshire League division 2 championship. These clowns wrecked a system which could have allowed real competition as it evolved.
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Domestic cricket won't help Babar - whether that's county or PAK domestic.

Batsmen working it out in county/domestic are usually very smart guys like Smith or Root .

If simply playing domestic was the answer then most English batters would have good technique which they don't.

He needs to work with Gary Palmer or go back to Grant Flower for him to get into better positions.
 
It seems.. Shan and especially Gillespie didnt want to drop Babar Azam…and selectors forced it..

This is the only problem, I have with this decision of dropping Babar Azam…that Gillespie should be given free hand, in choosing his side…unless theres a fitness problem.. If Gillespie, feels and wants to back certain players..he should be allowed to…..as per his philosphy, of showing faith….rather than some clowns in PCB, making decisions out of panic… If coach believes, he can get better results in long term, from backing players….and dropping players, wouldnt be good for team morale…I feel Gillespie should be given free hand… because ultimately he has to work with the team
I dont trust clowns in PCB, one bit
I am afraid they are making Gillespie lame duck..and this cant be good news for our team in long term as we know..what clowns we have, in PCB

The only hope we have ..if we allowed our coaches to implement their vision…and not making them lame duck by clowns in PCB….
Gilllespie…is here only from 3 tests…and did ppl in PCB actually believe that he is going to miraculously tranform this pathetic test team into world beaters all of a sudden? Obviously its a long process..and cant be done immediately.. that is the real problem with PCB, and exactly the reason, I cont trust them, one bit…always take decisions out of panic

How can you trust PCB, who have changed millions of selectors already, after every series?

If you have brought new coaches, atleast give them proper authority and time..to implement their vision, instead of making them dummy…
If coaches are allowed to make decisions, as per their vision..then only can we question them, after reasonable amount of time….not by making them powerless and lame duck…
 
A very, very good decision, one that should have been made a long time ago. No player is bigger than the team. If you're struggling, go back to domestic cricket, prove yourself, and then return to the international side.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Domestic cricket won't help Babar - whether that's county or PAK domestic.

Batsmen working it out in county/domestic are usually very smart guys like Smith or Root .

If simply playing domestic was the answer then most English batters would have good technique which they don't.

He needs to work with Gary Palmer or go back to Grant Flower for him to get into better positions.
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Maybe. But for me he needs to bat time. Many of his dismissals are due to a lack of concentration but I agree there is no one answer
 
Just full blown panic and chaos. What players like this get dropped from squads mid series. I am not really going to advocate for Babar being in the lineup but it's humiliating to drop your star players like this. PCB as always, are aimless without a plan.

If Babar and other star player struggle, the option isn't to simply drop them, it's to help them get out of the rut. Espncricinfo had a great article recently that who does Babar/Abdullah or really anyone else turn to get out of the rut when there's coaches/selectors/batting coaches etc. being changed on such frequent basis. As a player if a coach is even telling you try this, try that, you would simply ignore as a player because you know they'll be gone in a couple of months anyways.

Who knows, maybe it's the wake up call Babar needs and he takes some time to fix his technical issues and fitness. I don't know... whatever this Pakistan cricket has been in the past year+, it feels like we are living in the darkest timeline. Anything that could go wrong, has gone wrong and there is simply no easy fixes.
 
If I was there I wouldn't have dropped babar rather I would have gone for experience. May be I would have given babar a slot down the order. I would had made shaan to open and may be brought in imamulhaq.
My team would had been
Shaan
Imam
Abdullah shafique
Saud
Babar
Agha salman
Rizwan
Sajid khan
Daniyal
Raza
Nauman
 
Sad day for Pakistan cricket.

You probably have destroyed the only batsman could have gotten in to legend category of the current crop.

You'll realise the role of babar this time around..... And it will be uglier than before or what you would expect.
 
Itachi said:
Sad day for Pakistan cricket.

You probably have destroyed the only batsman could have gotten in to legend category of the current crop.

You'll realise the role of babar this time around..... And it will be uglier than before or what you would expect.
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Are you for real? Babar needed time away form spotlight. Please dont spout non sense. Him not scoring and his refusal to work on his flaws were weighing the whole team down.
 
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Itachi said:
Sad day for Pakistan cricket.

You probably have destroyed the only batsman could have gotten in to legend category of the current crop.

You'll realise the role of babar this time around..... And it will be uglier than before or what you would expect.
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Why? He is clearly struggling even on flat roads against poor Eng attack. Not just test, he has not been doing well in others formats as well.

A break will do him good. I am not saying that he will become a great batsman after break but it should help.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Averages 42 in Test cricket and averages 73 in Tests held in Pakistan.

Hamza needs good new ball conditions to do anything.

He can't do anything without helpful pitches or overhead conditions.
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454 FC wickets at 23 across over 100 matches in Pakistan tells you he knows how to bowl to these conditions.
 
PCB needs to learn from its neighbour and use back spasm/niggle etc. for such situation. Lol.

Babar having back spasm, Naseem rested due to workload and Shaheen benched on the match day could've resulted in fewer knee jerk reaction by fanboys.

Now all Bobzy fans will just wait for Pak to lose next match and make noise on social media.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Domestic cricket won't help Babar - whether that's county or PAK domestic.

Batsmen working it out in county/domestic are usually very smart guys like Smith or Root .

If simply playing domestic was the answer then most English batters would have good technique which they don't.

He needs to work with Gary Palmer or go back to Grant Flower for him to get into better positions.
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You’re confusing “form” with “technique”.
Very few players will return to first class cricket to work on their technique — that’s happens one on one, with a coach you trust.

I am not sure Babar’s issues are entirely technical — he needs to clear his mind and get back in “form” — which is a nebulous, ill-defined concept, but one which all front line players strive for.

“Form is temporary, but class is permanent” is an oft quoted phrase… but without form you are doomed to failure.

Babar has not passed 50 in his last 18 Test innings — these are unbelievably woeful statistics.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Averages 42 in Test cricket and averages 73 in Tests held in Pakistan.

Hamza needs good new ball conditions to do anything.

He can't do anything without helpful pitches or overhead conditions.
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Lol he is so embarrassing to watch with his 120ks thunderbolts.
I m ashamed to watch his grunts and bowling slower than female cricketers.
 
offstump said:
454 FC wickets at 23 across over 100 matches in Pakistan tells you he knows how to bowl to these conditions.
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Average of 73 tells the whole story of this female version of male cricketer.

He should try for Pakistan cricket female squad.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Domestic cricket won't help Babar - whether that's county or PAK domestic.

Batsmen working it out in county/domestic are usually very smart guys like Smith or Root .

If simply playing domestic was the answer then most English batters would have good technique which they don't.

He needs to work with Gary Palmer or go back to Grant Flower for him to get into better positions.
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Gary Palmer isn’t a miracle worker, I recall Mr. Masood spent so much time with him.

Having said that, certainly should be working with specialist coaches to get better.

But will he? I doubt it, this lot were being funny with Gary Kirsten as well weren’t they recently. Our King is above the game of cricket itself, bare witness the worship on social media.

You strike Babar down and the Re!ard will become more powerful then ever, we are now heading towards the full Re!ard territory.
 
Ya tou win hai ya tou learn hai 🤡
 
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Tbf, when Babar was reappointed, most of PP was againat it anyway.
 
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Usman Chadda said:
Must feel nice to stay in a bubble, yeah?

Zaka Ashraf will be remembered for dismantling this team so clinically when an agency tried to go against him and his son.

Rizwan will be the last casualty and his job will have been done.
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What does agency have to do with on field performances? Quality of Talent in Pakistan is questionable which India exposed brutally in that Asia cup game. Since then it's all down hill..
Pakistan media and fans were going gaga over Number 1 team, they can't play him, king kar lega Yada Yada. It all came crashing down so fast because like everything else in Pakistan, foundations were weak.
 
Masterstroke by PCB. There is no guarantee that out of form Bob King will come good against the Poms in the remainder of the series. But come the next series, the Zimbabwe series, the world knows the kind of nasty things Bobby can do with the bat against his favourite team.

Bobbie's credibility and reputation as ZimBabar would enhance growing multiple times when he stats pads to breaks all batting records against the Zims after continuously failing against top tier teams.

PCB wants to leave no stone unturned when it comes to skyrocketing the generational talent's reputation against the Zims.
The legend of Zimbabar lives. :babar
 
If Pakistan lose the second test then things will get even more toxic I reckon.

Although if Pakistan win this match then I don’t see Babar and Shaheen get in the team for quite sometime.
 
When you drop them in the middle of the series you are making a decision which cannot be obfuscated.
Remarkable how they weren’t dropped after Bd series but one test down against Eng.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
What does agency have to do with on field performances? Quality of Talent in Pakistan is questionable which India exposed brutally in that Asia cup game. Since then it's all down hill..
Pakistan media and fans were going gaga over Number 1 team, they can't play him, king kar lega Yada Yada. It all came crashing down so fast because like everything else in Pakistan, foundations were weak.
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You are naive if you think one loss made Pakistan cricket come crashing down.

I would like to see you work your best in a system where the boss is a complete and utter retard. Talent is questionable ofcourse, but the constant change in personnel has made an already volatile even more unbearable.

It’s a complete cluster of bad decisions and bad luck aswell.
 
Everything aside, what's with this euphemism culture that has come into Pakistan cricket? Why don't selectors have the guts to call that a player has been dropped. What's with this "rest" word? Woke culture.
 
Don’t think Naseem is dropped, apparently he’s injured (yet again).

These guys are so fragile it’s not even funny.

Mohammed Ali and Mir Hamza is more of the same dibbly dobbler nonsense. If they wanted to play them why drop them after the Bangla series in the first place?

Now when they fail they’ll bring back Shaheen and Naseem again as if nothing happened!

Why not take a gamble with Hasnain?
 
And Rizwan’s reward for his pathetic game is that Sarfraz is dropped so the fragile minded little darling doesn’t feel “threatened”
 
Master Blaster said:
Masterstroke by PCB. There is no guarantee that out of form Bob King will come good against the Poms in the remainder of the series. But come the next series, the Zimbabwe series, the world knows the kind of nasty things Bobby can do with the bat against his favourite team.

Bobbie's credibility and reputation as ZimBabar would enhance growing multiple times when he stats pads to breaks all batting records against the Zims after continuously failing against top tier teams.

PCB wants to leave no stone unturned when it comes to skyrocketing the generational talent's reputation against the Zims.
The legend of Zimbabar lives. :babar
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I think the elephant in the room is that maybe he’s not even Zimbabar anymore!

I back the zimbos to take him out.
 
Personally this is good if it happens.

If Pakistan win next test sans Babar and Shaheen, 2 of the 3 players who were keeping Pakistan team hostage will be booted out for a long time.

That leaves Rizwan who will be exposed soon as well.
 
How long will it be for the father in law to come on tv bemoaning how unfair his son in law has been treated?
 
Barring Naseem who has an injury, I think this is an attempt to tackle the groupism in the dressing room.
 
So mohammad ali and mir hamza going to stop root and brook in the same multan highway?good for them then
 
Mockingbird said:
Naqvi? Didnt Zaka Ashraf sack SSA? Knew back then this would destroy the whole team.
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No it was Naqvi. Zaka appointed him when a bit of research on SSA would have a shown a guy with an IQ lower than my shoe size. But once he was appointed, he should have stayed for the WC and then a decision should have been made
 
The difference between Kohli and Babar situation is that Kohli plays for a team that has enough good batters to carry an out of form Kohli for as long as the team wants.

In Babar's case, the team relies on his position and Pakistan doesn't have enough good batters to keep an out of form Babar in. Essentially the team has freed up a space in an effort to bring in an in form batter that can somehow be the bead that completes the team necklace and push the team over the finish line.
 
Bewal Express said:
No it was Naqvi. Zaka appointed him when a bit of research on SSA would have a shown a guy with an IQ lower than my shoe size. But once he was appointed, he should have stayed for the WC and then a decision should have been made
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Honestly hard to keep a track who was appointed & who was sacked!

Anyways all of them deserve to be sacked, including Rizwan & Shan Masood. Babar will still make a comeback after a much needed mental conditioning. But SSA’s pace has dropped so much, don’t know how he can comeback after this?
 
Mockingbird said:
Honestly hard to keep a track who was appointed & who was sacked!

Anyways all of them deserve to be sacked, including Rizwan & Shan Masood. Babar will still make a comeback after a much needed mental conditioning. But SSA’s pace has dropped so much, don’t know how he can comeback after this?
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That's also my fear for SSA. I think unless its in NZ or England, his tests days are numbered. IA Babar uses the opportunity to reset.
 
Blackbradman said:
Even the great Shane Warne was once dropped for non-performance. When he came back, he bowled better than ever. The break might work wonders for Babar.
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It depends how uses the energy generated. In our culture this is seen as an insult( and in some others) and if he gets angry and goes back to the drawing board and analysis what's going wrong, he will come better and stronger, on the other hand, he could get bitter and angry and play the victim card and lose our best talent of the last 20 years
 
Bewal Express said:
It depends how uses the energy generated. In our culture this is seen as an insult( and in some others) and if he gets angry and goes back to the drawing board and analysis what's going wrong, he will come better and stronger, on the other hand, he could get bitter and angry and play the victim card and lose our best talent of the last 20 years
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Babar should man up and take on this as a challenge. If he has that hunger, he will come back quite strong. Number 4 is quite an important position and him not performing in a team that is losing left, right and centre is a grave concern. If he is destined to greatness he will bounce back. A great player should be able to handle setbacks and he is just 30.
 
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