[VIDEOS/PICTURES] Abrar Ahmed - International performance watch

[shaz619]

Abrar is one fine talent but requires special support and care from his captain and management. Just look at how Stokes has used Rehan. It would also be ideal if the keeping is decent.

Leg spinners heavily rely on confidence arguably more than any other bowler and it greatly impacts their rhythm.

They need all the confidence and support on the field, if you want to specifically contain then don’t pick them.

The criticism is bizarre, the guy has taken a bucket load of wickets in his first few tests which am sure is some record in itself and people are on his case, that too when he has shouldered the bulk of the load/responsibility when he should be eased into the highest level.

WARNING: : Please dont bring autism or autistic people in your discussions as it has nothing to do with them.

 

[James]

Abrar just needs some tender loving care.

Really good young talent. Intelligent. Knows how to take wickets with ball in hand. An interesting lower order batsman too.

The captain needs to manage the expectations on Abrar, as well as his general workloads, more carefully, in order to protect his mind and his body.

The captain also needs to read when the best game situation is right there in front of him for bringing his legspinner into the attack, where he can then have the biggest impact as a bowler. Stokes did this brilliantly with Rehan a few weeks ago and the resulting shock spell basically won the Test match for England.

Sometimes at the moment it seems like Abrar has been brought on simply as a roll of the dice because there is a lack of any other coherent plan.

 

[shamaan]

He should be backed and given confidence.

 

[Zaz]

He should be backed and given confidence.

He needs to be more than backed He needs managing properly Hes 4 tests old and the captain is running him into the ground And is overbowled

Pakistani captains in general have had no sense and feel its fine for a leggie to be bowled bowled without a coherent plan

His performances are steadily deteriorating due to being handled ineptly and without thought

Why is this young lad bowling a third of pakistans overs every innings

What are the other bowling options in the team there for

 

[shamaan]

He needs to be more than backed He needs managing properly Hes 4 tests old and the captain is running him into the ground And is overbowled

Pakistani captains in general have had no sense and feel its fine for a leggie to be bowled bowled without a coherent plan

His performances are steadily deteriorating due to being handled ineptly and without thought

Why is this young lad bowling a third of pakistans overs every innings

What are the other bowling options in the team there for

That's becouse he doesn't trust Agha as a genuine 5th bowling option but rather a part time that can bowl 12 overs a Innings.

 

[Savak]

Lol at Abrar being some talent where he was whacked around by a number 11 batsmen whereas Ish Sodhi was going through our tail for fun.

 

[Rana]

I recon Abrar will be snapped up by a county and he will be playing 10-15 years for them like Mushtaq Ahmed was

 

[MenInG]

Lol at Abrar being some talent where he was whacked around by a number 11 batsmen whereas Ish Sodhi was going through our tail for fun.

Issue with our batters not Abrar I feel!

 

[Savak]

Issue with our batters not Abrar I feel!

Abrar as well, he is not that good as he is hyped and perceived to be

 

[MenInG]

Good to see selectors persist with Abrar - I expect him to take lots of wickets in SL

 

[ArabKnight]

Are we going to go with him in the WC?

He’s a magician spinner.

The World Cup is in India again.

Guess who was the best bowler of Pakistan the last time we played WC in India? It was Saeed Ajmal.

We need Abrar Ahmed and unleash him on the teams. He’s a wildcard that no team will be able to read if he bowls good.

Pakistan is a sorry team. We need this bowler. Babar is a timid defensive captain that bowls spinners in the middle. We got no good spinners. Need him in the middle.

India is a spin nation.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Still don't rate him at all. Got smashed to pieces by LQ batsmen in his last white ball game.


Very average bowler. Usama Mir is the only specialist white ball Pakistan li spinner worth talking about.

 

[hassan918]

He has performed really well in his short international career in test matches but I don't think that he will be a good pick for the upcoming World Cup. He has only played 12 List A games till date and I think he needs to play more List A games before he can be picked to play ODI cricket.

 

[Farabi]

He has performed really well in his short international career in test matches but I don't think that he will be a good pick for the upcoming World Cup. He has only played 12 List A games till date and I think he needs to play more List A games before he can be picked to play ODI cricket.

How many list A games has Zaman played? Or Dahani played?
How many FC or list A games has Shadab played?

 

[Major]

Are we going to go with him in the WC?

He’s a magician spinner.

The World Cup is in India again.

Guess who was the best bowler of Pakistan the last time we played WC in India? It was Saeed Ajmal.

We need Abrar Ahmed and unleash him on the teams. He’s a wildcard that no team will be able to read if he bowls good.

Pakistan is a sorry team. We need this bowler. Babar is a timid defensive captain that bowls spinners in the middle. We got no good spinners. Need him in the middle.

India is a spin nation.

to be fair it was afridi.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

One of Abrar or Usama Mir is a must in our line up going forward.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

One of Abrar or Usama Mir is a must in our line up going forward.

To be honest both can't bat and we need someone at this position who can bat as well.

 

[BouncerGuy]

So Ibrar could not find a spot in the 15-member squad for the 2023 World Cup but he is in traveling reserves. Mystery Spinner will be only traveling with the team and I can see that he might not be playing until or unless someone gets injured like Nawaz.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I found it so unfair that Abrar didnt get central contract from PCB, even though he is playing the most difiicult format for Pakistan.

it seems like he is not the part of PCB's future plans?

should he not be encouraged with such move of PCB?

 

[Rana]

I found it so unfair that Abrar didnt get central contract from PCB, even though he is playing the most difiicult format for Pakistan.

Pakistan cricket generally is a massive mess

If this board was run by English/Australian admin, you would see something completely different

 

[Ahmed216]

I found it so unfair that Abrar didnt get central contract from PCB, even though he is playing the most difiicult format for Pakistan.

it seems like he is not the part of PCB's future plans?

should he not be encouraged with such move of PCB?

Incredible really

 

[shamaan]

I found it so unfair that Abrar didnt get central contract from PCB, even though he is playing the most difiicult format for Pakistan.

it seems like he is not the part of PCB's future plans?

should he not be encouraged with such move of PCB?

Exactly he should be in the central contract list whilst Imad should have been in the world cup squad but now he hasn't and hasn't played for Pakistan in ages why is he still in good category.

 

[ArabKnight]

Are we going to go with him in the WC?

He’s a magician spinner.

The World Cup is in India again.

Guess who was the best bowler of Pakistan the last time we played WC in India? It was Saeed Ajmal.

We need Abrar Ahmed and unleash him on the teams. He’s a wildcard that no team will be able to read if he bowls good.

Pakistan is a sorry team. We need this bowler. Babar is a timid defensive captain that bowls spinners in the middle. We got no good spinners. Need him in the middle.

India is a spin nation.

Babar Azam is the worst captain of all time for ignoring Abrar Ahmed.

 

[AAli98]

He ain’t no second coming of murali it took eng nz 1 session to figure him out. Classic case of the guy on bench looking world class because of a useless team.

Sad reality is Ifty is the best spinner going in Pak.

 

[Major]

So the news from all quatres is that the team management is trying to add Abrar Ahmad to the playing squad. Interestingly, to do that the team management will have to get a player injured and rule him out of the world cup.

He is trending on the twitter like crazy.

Now to be fair, the 13 members in the squad did not have a say in the squad selected. It was Babar and somewhat Shadab Khan. So it looks like now because of the captain's own mistake during squad selection, a scapegoat is being planned.

The most likely scapegoat that Pakistan is planning to make is Fakhar Zaman. There were rumors that he has knee injury and they gave him a net session today.

I will bad for whoever the player is because their career shouldn't be destroyed due to Babar Azam's mishandling of the whole squad selection.

 

[Rana]

Hopefully it’s Mohammad Rizwan

 

[Major]

Hopefully it’s Mohammad Rizwan

than who will keep wickets?

 

[Rana]

than who will keep wickets?

Imam ul Haq

 

[Mamoon]

Play the mental health card like England and get rid of Rauf.

Mental health drama is always the best excuse because it cannot be verified.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Regarding the squad selection, Babar didn’t pick the squad, his agent did - Babar is just a dummy captain.

 

[Azzurri]

Imam/nawaz should be replaced

 

[Hawkeye]

Fakhar has to play in place of useless Imam.

Get either Imam or Rauf injured. Even Shadab will do.

 

[gazza619]

Why did we originally pick a gazillion batters in the squad? Sorry but I dont need Saud Shakeel’s elegant 25. This chap should have never been picked but Inzi was adamant.

 

[ArabKnight]

Why did we originally pick a gazillion batters in the squad? Sorry but I dont need Saud Shakeel’s elegant 25. This chap should have never been picked but Inzi was adamant.

I’d rather play with 10 players on the field if it meant getting rid of Saud. That’s how much objection I had to him getting selected.

 

[ArabKnight]

@Rana

Why couldn’t we have Abrar Ahmed as our substitute bowler then?

There is Mohammed Haris who is a reserve playing as a substitute on paper. Why not the same for Abrar?

 

[Rana]

@Rana

Why couldn’t we have Abrar Ahmed as our substitute bowler then?

There is Mohammed Haris who is a reserve playing as a substitute on paper. Why not the same for Abrar?

Because Abrar is not in the 15 man squad, he is in the reserves

So Pakistan can only use concussion substitute from the 4 guys on the bench

For Abrar to play, Pakistan need one of their 15 injured and ruled out of the tournament

 

[MenInG]

Fakhar Zaman is a good candidate for that.

 

[ArabKnight]

Because Abrar is not in the 15 man squad, he is in the reserves

So Pakistan can only use concussion substitute from the 4 guys on the bench

For Abrar to play, Pakistan need one of their 15 injured and ruled out of the tournament

What rule allows concussion substitute to be only from 15 man squad?

Why is Mohammed Haris a concussion sub on the team nomination paper then, while being apart of traveling reserve?

 

[Major]

Fakhar Zaman is a good candidate for that.

i am waiting to see what they are gonna do with Shadab. Fakhar fielded so it looks like he is alright.

 

[Rana]

What rule allows concussion substitute to be only from 15 man squad?

Why is Mohammed Haris a concussion sub on the team nomination paper then, while being apart of traveling reserve?

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Good question actually

I think he came in for Hassan who was clearly ruled out due to illness. So the ICC technical committee can allow him to come on to the bench

 

[ahmadharis1]

I don't think Abrar Ahmed is the answer everyone thinks he is, but I'm ready to sit out Shadab due to injury and get Abrar Ahmed in

 

[Major]

What rule allows concussion substitute to be only from 15 man squad?

Why is Mohammed Haris a concussion sub on the team nomination paper then, while being apart of traveling reserves

If there are travelling reserves that they can come in as substitute if in case the playing 11 is not being completed. Because Hassan Ali was sick and stayed at the team hotel, the total players were 14.

https://resources.pulse.icc-cricket.com/ICC/document/2023/09/28/d43b480d-033b-4111-bf9c-45f9de69ef9b/ICC-Men-s-CWC23-Playing-Conditions-single-pages.pdf

My guess is travelling reserves can do fielding duties if the main substitutes get injured, but they cant be used as concussion substitutes.

 

[Inzy's Aloo]

With Shadab having suffered another concussion (his third concussion over the last 18 months) and Usama Mir having taken a heavy blow to his bowling hand whilst fielding, the opportunity is there for Abrar Ahmed to be drafted in as a replacement.

It is clearly evident that Pakistan’s spin bowling attack has been by far the weakest amongst all the teams on display so far. With 7 games in, our spinners have looked totally innocuous and have also proven to be extremely expensive, thus adding extra pressure on the pace bowlers to take wickets in the middle overs. The averages and economy rates of our spinners is alarmingly embarrassing for a tournament taking place in India.

The two leg spinners in particular, Shadab Khan and Usama Mir, have proven to be huge let downs. Both of these have been given ample opportunities in this tournament (including the warm up games) and look clueless. Watching these two bowl this tournament, is like watching two part time spinners coming on. Both offering all sorts of half trackers and lollipops in each of their overs. Usama Mir’s inclusion is particularly baffling. In polite terms, his FC and list A record is atrocious. There is absolutely no rhythm or consistency to his bowling.

I know Abrar Ahmed has not played an ODI game in his career and i am not saying he is the answer to all our problems, but surely it has now got to the point where he can’t do any worse than the ones that have been given so many opportunities so far.

If anything, with his mystery element and impressive first class record, he can potentially surprise New Zealand in the next game. Both New Zealand and England struggled with the mystery spin of Mujeeb and Rashid. Abrar Ahmed is the only spinner in our travelling 18 man squad that has the mystery and attacking game to ask questions of the batsman in the middle overs. Is this is the perfect time to unleash Abrar?

You look at India with Kuldeep/Jadeja, Australia with Zampa, New Zealand with Santner, England with Rashid, Sri Lanka with Theekshana, Bangladesh with Shakib, Afghanistan with Rashid/Mujeeb etc… All of these teams have a dependable high class spinner that can either control proceedings in the middle, provide the mystery element and take wickets. We are badly lacking that specialist spinner that we can bank on.

We are at that crunch moment in the World Cup, where a trump card spinner in the middle overs can add a badly needed dimension to our bowling attack in the middle overs. Can Abrar Ahmed be that wildcard and help us into the semi finals?

 

[shamaan]

I think management are still going to back Shadab to come good lol

 

[Major]

any chance of him playing?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

any chance of him playing?

No.. He is in reserves, Untill unless Management declares any player unfit so can come into the squad of 15 where he can get selected.

 

[Major]

No.. He is in reserves, Untill unless Management declares any player unfit so can come into the squad of 15 where he can get selected.

bro i know that lol.

what i meant was, when are they going to rule shadab out. He is concussed and wont even play tomr

 

[Cricket Warrior]

bro i know that lol.

what i meant was, when are they going to rule shadab out. He is concussed and wont even play tomr

what impact he would create now in last 2 matches, i think it would be unjustified for abrar to get him chance in a pressure cooker stage.

Let them play what they have now and then go for operation clean up right after the world cup.

I think they must go for hassan ali instead of Usama mir.

 

[Nado_]

what impact he would create now in last 2 matches, i think it would be unjustified for abrar to get him chance in a pressure cooker stage.

Let them play what they have now and then go for operation clean up right after the world cup.

I think they must go for hassan ali instead of Usama mir.

I disagree, a good spinner can change the whole look of our attack. We have been so poor in the World Cup because our spinners have been terrible. Even if Abrar fails he will still not be as bad as the leggies so we have nothing to lose and possibly more to gain, it’s a no brainer.

I think there’s a political angle, if they put Abrar in and if he performs then captain and management will look like a joke.

 

[asfandyar]

what impact he would create now in last 2 matches, i think it would be unjustified for abrar to get him chance in a pressure cooker stage.

Let them play what they have now and then go for operation clean up right after the world cup.

I think they must go for hassan ali instead of Usama mir.

Nation > Individual. If he's a better choice than Usama, then he should play, even if that effectively ends Abrar's career.

 

[ArabKnight]

what impact he would create now in last 2 matches, i think it would be unjustified for abrar to get him chance in a pressure cooker stage.

Let them play what they have now and then go for operation clean up right after the world cup.

I think they must go for hassan ali instead of Usama mir.

I have predicted many players to be stars years before PCB debuted them.

 

[7sins]

Can we see him today lots of reports are coming that they will replace shadab with abrar today

 

[adil_909]

Can we see him today lots of reports are coming that they will replace shadab with abrar today

Let's pray that happens. We need a spark from somewhere. Shadab and Nawaz are both useless.

 

[ahmadharis1]

It would be the funniest thing in the world if Abrar Ahmed was brought in and he performed poorly.

Everyone acting like he's some sort of savior waiting in the wings being unfairly treated when in reality he's also a young inexperienced leg spinner who's only played a dozen 50 over matches (none since March of LAST year). As if he was bowling perfectly in tests like he wasn't also bowling occasional half trackers.

Shadab is poor, Nawaz is poor, Mir has been mediocre so far, and while I think Abrar has the potential to be a solid LOI spinner I really hope people don't expect the world from him if he's brought into the World Cup last minute

 

[MenInG]

It would be the funniest thing in the world if Abrar Ahmed was brought in and he performed poorly.

Everyone acting like he's some sort of savior waiting in the wings being unfairly treated when in reality he's also a young inexperienced leg spinner who's only played a dozen 50 over matches (none since March of LAST year). As if he was bowling perfectly in tests like he wasn't also bowling occasional half trackers.

Shadab is poor, Nawaz is poor, Mir has been mediocre so far, and while I think Abrar has the potential to be a solid LOI spinner I really hope people don't expect the world from him if he's brought into the World Cup last minute

He cannot play - he is not in the main squad.

 

[ahmadharis1]

He cannot play - he is not in the main squad.

Yes I know that that's why I said "if"

 

[Major]

Babar azam being stubborn led us to getting kicked out.

He could had sent shadab back home and bought in abrar. But he did not. Thinking that shadab will perform a miracle later on.

 

[Shafi]

Babar azam being stubborn led us to getting kicked out.

He could had sent shadab back home and bought in abrar. But he did not. Thinking that shadab will perform a miracle later on.

Exactly!!! Babar is such a cold-hearted, brainless, selfish captain. Deserved to be booted from team all together.

 

[Major]

He cannot play - he is not in the main squad.

he could had been added in the main squad and playing 11 today. Babar thought Shadab will be alright and they would need him in the later games, not knowing that he could lose todays game and later games wont come into play.

He had the option of getting Abrar in, but Babar being Babar, he did not.

 

[daytrader]

Former left-arm pacer, Mohammad Amir, highlighted that the team management holds the key to such decisions.

"There was a chance of including Abrar Ahmed [in the squad] but Shadab said that he is fit and available for next match. [Hardik] Pandya was unfit and pulled out of the tournament himself, saying that India can include a fit player instead of him. So this was a chance to include Abrar but only team management can tell what they are thinking," Amir said on a local TV channel.

 

[FearlessRoar]

This is first time Abrar will play on Australian soil during Australia tour 2023-24. He has already 38 test wickets at 3.63 average.

I reckon he will be key for Pakistan in all 3 tests.

 

[Sher Khan]

This will be his toughest tour. Australia is the worst place for overseas spinners. Id he doesn't concede more than 4 runs an over he has done his job.

Figures of 30 overs 0/100 will be a win for him.

 

[shamaan]

Tough tour for Abrar hopefully they go in with a 5 man attack

 

[BouncerGuy]

Abrar is yet to make a mark on Australian soil. On day 2 of the 4-day tour game against PM IX, Abrar bowled 10 overs, gave away 30 runs, and failed to take any wickets till now.

How well is he going to perform on this tour when the full-strength Australian team will be up against him?

 

[BouncerGuy]

As we speak, Abrar has got his first wicket as he got Marcus Harris for 49 runs. Khurram took the catch on mid on.

 

[BouncerGuy]

First wicket for Abrar. and for Pakistan as well.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1732630295688421630

 

[MenInG]

Seems to be injured - bad news for Pakistan!

Update on Abrar Ahmed

Canberra, 8 December 2023: Leg-spinner Abrar Ahmed complained of discomfort in his right leg after bowling eight overs on the third day of four-day game against Prime Minister’s XI. As a result, the 25-year-old was taken off the field.

Following his complaint, Abrar was sent for a MRI scan. Further details will be shared in due course, after medical panel assess the MRI reports.

Abrar has bowled a total of 27 overs so far in the game against Prime Minister's XI. The four-day game was scheduled as part of Pakistan’s preparation ahead of their three-match Test series against Australia, which is set to take place from 14 December 2023 to 7 January 2024.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Seems to be injured - bad news for Pakistan!

Update on Abrar Ahmed

Canberra, 8 December 2023: Leg-spinner Abrar Ahmed complained of discomfort in his right leg after bowling eight overs on the third day of four-day game against Prime Minister’s XI. As a result, the 25-year-old was taken off the field.

Following his complaint, Abrar was sent for a MRI scan. Further details will be shared in due course, after medical panel assess the MRI reports.

Abrar has bowled a total of 27 overs so far in the game against Prime Minister's XI. The four-day game was scheduled as part of Pakistan’s preparation ahead of their three-match Test series against Australia, which is set to take place from 14 December 2023 to 7 January 2024.

This is not good news for the Pakistani Camp. Abrar was one of the specialist spinners who was in form in red-ball format. Not good.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Abrar Ahmed has been ruled out of the first Test against Australia in Perth, starting on 14 December. The decision follows his departure from the field during a first-class game against the Prime Minister XI due to severe pain in his right leg around the knee. A provisional diagnosis prompted an immediate MRI scan, leading to an intervention scheduled for Monday in Perth. While Abrar has not been ruled out of the entire test series, further assessment before the second test will determine his availability. The focus is on ensuring his well-being for current and future tours.

 

[FearlessRoar]

He was a key bowler for us in Perth conditions.

 

[Xoib]

Sajid would not have been called had the injury been not serious . Anyways I think Noman is an ok replacement and call also give more with the willow

 

[FearlessRoar]

Sajid would not have been called had the injury been not serious . Anyways I think Noman is an ok replacement and call also give more with the willow

Nouman is not replacement. He is member of Squad

 

[charlie007]

Abrar injury is huge loss for Pakistan. Like brother FearlessRoar said, in Perth Abrar’s is a huge loss. His pace and bounce off the surface is only next to Shaheen! His injury is most likely the difference between winning and losing.

 

[Sher Khan]

Some sources claim that Abrar was not 100 percent fit before departing for the Australia tour.

If that's the case, why the hell was he made to bowl 30 plus overs in a practice match?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Some sources claim that Abrar was not 100 percent fit before departing for the Australia tour.

If that's the case, why the hell was he made to bowl 30 plus overs in a practice match?

It was Abrar's responsibility to inform his captain that he is not feeling well before the practice game.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Abrar Ahmed finally gets a call for the Pakistan T20 side. He would be part of the team for the series against New Zealand. A new test awaits him in NZ.

 

[BouncerGuy]

What is the use of him staying there... Bring him back like Khurram is coming back to Pakistan and work on his rehab so he gets fit for the NZ series.

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As per reports:

With the visitors already missing star quicks Naseem Shah (who has a shoulder injury) and Haris Rauf (elected to play in the KFC BBL), it is the second injury suffered by one of their bowlers on this tour after Abrar Ahmed hurt his right leg during a tour match in Canberra.

The leg-spinner appears unlikely to play in the final two Tests, but has remained with the squad.​

 

[RidiculousMan]

What is the use of him staying there... Bring him back like Khurram is coming back to Pakistan and work on his rehab so he gets fit for the NZ series.

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As per reports:

With the visitors already missing star quicks Naseem Shah (who has a shoulder injury) and Haris Rauf (elected to play in the KFC BBL), it is the second injury suffered by one of their bowlers on this tour after Abrar Ahmed hurt his right leg during a tour match in Canberra.

The leg-spinner appears unlikely to play in the final two Tests, but has remained with the squad.​

Abrar is announced for the New Zealand series. It is strange to me that he is selected for that series if he's not fit enough to play this Test series.

 

[BouncerGuy]

That is some management from PCB. LOL. Selected an unfit player for the series against the Kiwis. I think they re hoping that he will get fit before the series.

 

[MenInG]

Missing from scorecard for the game against Victoria.

We can safely assume that he is out.