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A historic moment indeed-This moment and it's legacy will outlive everyone that is alive today. Well Done IK, Gen Bajwa and Sidhu.
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Great moment for the Sikh community around the world, great moment for Quaid-e-Azams PK vision, great moment for IK and others that made it happen.
It's sad to see that some Journos are against such a historic moment.
Great pics- these are the ones that will be seen in a 100 years time. The one in the middle is an amazingly symbolic.
True there were so many emotional scenes on display today
True there were so many emotional scenes on display today
What a day, pain for the haters, heartening for the peace makers.
Btw
I didn't get to edit my last post but by the middle I meant the one with IK and all leaders sitting on the floor. Just amazingly symbolic.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Indian cricketer Navjot Singh Sidhu with some lovely words for Prime Minister Imran Khan <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KartarpurCorridor?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KartarpurCorridor</a> <a href="https://t.co/u9OobwtCYf">pic.twitter.com/u9OobwtCYf</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1193190993664839682?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2019</a></blockquote>
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So far, one of the best achievements of the PTI government.
I really hope that one day, Pakistan will grant every Pakistani regardless of their religion the same rights.
My understanding and fluency of Punjabi is toddler level, but listening to Sidhu was so enjoyable.
Yaara nu jappi pa ke
how in this world have they finished this in 10 months, anybody?
How in this world have they finished this in 10 months, anybody?
Happy for our Sikh brothers. The Indian government just need to be more vigilant against the nefarious designs of the Pakistani establishment through this corridor. The Sikhs (and the Hindus) faced the the short end of the stick with Partition, so glad to see at least they will be able to access their ancestral lands. Ideally we would have done a land swap or bought the land in the 50s/60s, but oh well.
Hope this never becomes a reality, but how long before some terrorist attack happens in India and it is linked to Kartarpur corridor?
Happy for our Sikh brothers. The Indian government just need to be more vigilant against the nefarious designs of the Pakistani establishment through this corridor. The Sikhs (and the Hindus) faced the the short end of the stick with Partition, so glad to see at least they will be able to access their ancestral lands. Ideally we would have done a land swap or bought the land in the 50s/60s, but oh well.
Hope this never becomes a reality, but how long before some terrorist attack happens in India and it is linked to Kartarpur corridor?
So Indian government official stance is that India had been requesting this for long time.
Modi makes a claim that opening of Kartarpur was long standing demand from India.
Sikhs around the world have been demanding this for 70+ years.
Imran Khan even before elections had always promised to give more rights to minorities and specifically provided plans about increasing "Religious tourism" and many other initiatives are being taken.
BUT SOMEHOW even the liberal Indian journalists are accusing Pakistan of supporting Khalistan movement by opening kartarpur?
Just like release of Abhinandan was due to fear of Modi and not goodwill gesture to improve relations? Seems like there is nothing positive Pakistan can do and of course Modi's India is always the winner? What kind of mentality is this??? While India is giving a pathetic decision on Babri mosque land, Pakistan Supreme court not long ago returned Hindu temple land so not everything positive step by Pakistan is not conspiracy
It should be Pakistan being worried not India, as the people are coming from India into Pakistan.
I think it was a great moment in Pakistani history, millions of Sikhs are are overwhelmed. I know many in the UK who are loving Pakistan for this.
Sidhu asking the border to be open and IK responded with Kashmir freedom first and then we can talk. Pakistan cant do anymore while India is a real enemy.
Happy for our Sikh brothers. The Indian government just need to be more vigilant against the nefarious designs of the Pakistani establishment through this corridor. The Sikhs (and the Hindus) faced the the short end of the stick with Partition, so glad to see at least they will be able to access their ancestral lands. Ideally we would have done a land swap or bought the land in the 50s/60s, but oh well.
Hope this never becomes a reality, but how long before some terrorist attack happens in India and it is linked to Kartarpur corridor?
how so? all communities faced the horrors of Partition, most Muslims in East Punjab were ethnically cleansed from their ancestral lands too, mostly by Sikhs.
My point was that Indian side should have a proper border checkpoint with ID checks as they do at other ports of entry to ensure that the same number, and the same, people return. We can't have an loose entry/return point and simply trust the Pakistani establishment to not try to sneak in extras/swap in terrorists. It's a basic measure of precaution.
As for people going from Indian side to Pakistan, yes India can try to sneak in people too. (I hope they don't and simply let this corridor be what it is purported to be - a way for Sikhs to visit their holy sites). But that is something for Pakistan to worry about and set up checks on their end.
Maybe one day you will realize that people are coming to Pakistan FROM India not the other way round. For all its worth Pakistan should be worried that someone like Kalbhushan Yadav does not come here spreading terror.
Of course people from all religions killed each other, and had to leave their ancestral lands. My point is Sikhs lost access to their holy sites. Sure, the Muslims who chose to migrate to Pakistan also lost access to say Ajmer Sharif but those losses are not comparable to the local religions whose origin is in the sub-continent.
The sites Sikhs lost access to relate to their very foundational history, Kartarpur is a solid example of that. A more parallel example for Muslims would be losing access to Mecca/Medina and other sites related to Muhammad.
Few take Kartarpur passage, hordes opt for binoculars
DERA BABA NANAK/AMRITSAR: Few pilgrims are making the trip through the Kartarpur corridor to Darbar Sahib gurdwara. On Monday, only 130 went to the gurdwara in Pakistan via the corridor, and on Sunday, the first day the corridor was open to regular pilgrims, 229 used it. Around 600 pilgrims are to cross over on Tuesday, the 550 birth anniversary of Guru Nanak Dev, according to sources.
In contrast, crowds for a “binocular darshan” of the holy shrine from the Indian side have increased in the last two days to over 5,000 daily from the earlier approximately 250 daily.
The 4.5-km corridor was expected to attract at least 5,000 pilgrims every day — the limit decided between India and Pakistan — after its November 9 inauguration. The jatha on the first day had 562 people — a mix of dignitaries and NRIs invited by the Punjab and central governments. “Our understanding is that a digital record of anyone visiting Pakistan is a major deterrent among youth who wish to travel to the US or other countries. Then there is the question of the $20 service fee, strained Indo-Pak relations, and the lack of awareness about online registration,” said sources
https://www.google.com/url?q=https:...FjAAegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw1Xd1iHU9yFvjL98gt5RVSA
Few take Kartarpur passage, hordes opt for binoculars
DERA BABA NANAK/AMRITSAR: Few pilgrims are making the trip through the Kartarpur corridor to Darbar Sahib gurdwara. On Monday, only 130 went to the gurdwara in Pakistan via the corridor, and on Sunday, the first day the corridor was open to regular pilgrims, 229 used it. Around 600 pilgrims are to cross over on Tuesday, the 550 birth anniversary of Guru Nanak Dev, according to sources.
In contrast, crowds for a “binocular darshan” of the holy shrine from the Indian side have increased in the last two days to over 5,000 daily from the earlier approximately 250 daily.
The 4.5-km corridor was expected to attract at least 5,000 pilgrims every day — the limit decided between India and Pakistan — after its November 9 inauguration. The jatha on the first day had 562 people — a mix of dignitaries and NRIs invited by the Punjab and central governments. “Our understanding is that a digital record of anyone visiting Pakistan is a major deterrent among youth who wish to travel to the US or other countries. Then there is the question of the $20 service fee, strained Indo-Pak relations, and the lack of awareness about online registration,” said sources
https://www.google.com/url?q=https:...FjAAegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw1Xd1iHU9yFvjL98gt5RVSA
Would have liked to see him abuse Pakistan in reality then see what we would have done to him! We got him to wait in line like others before entering Pakistan, no special treatment for him at all. This is how we should treat that lot including their Muslims who enter our great country. Get in line all of you lot!
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I am somewhat surprise he's not busy shooting the movie on Balakot. Seems like the perfect movie for an actor of his type and history.
By the way Pakistan has every right to charge Sikh's when entering Pakistan. Us Muslims renovated their temple and built the entire surrounding area. Upon their visit they will be eating our food and using our facilities so why should we not charge them? Sikh's should be made to pay if they want to see their temple after all when we also have to pay for various things when visiting Saudi.
Of course people from all religions killed each other, and had to leave their ancestral lands. My point is Sikhs lost access to their holy sites. Sure, the Muslims who chose to migrate to Pakistan also lost access to say Ajmer Sharif but those losses are not comparable to the local religions whose origin is in the sub-continent.
The sites Sikhs lost access to relate to their very foundational history, Kartarpur is a solid example of that. A more parallel example for Muslims would be losing access to Mecca/Medina and other sites related to Muhammad (PBUH)
By the way Pakistan has every right to charge Sikh's when entering Pakistan. Us Muslims renovated their temple and built the entire surrounding area. Upon their visit they will be eating our food and using our facilities so why should we not charge them? Sikh's should be made to pay if they want to see their temple after all when we also have to pay for various things when visiting Saudi.
For those who are looking forward to visit there from india
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HOW TO TRAVEL TO KARTARPUR SAHIB VIA KARTARPUR CORRIDOR (FULL GUIDE)
I am very happy that our sikh brothers can visit their most holiest site, this should have been done along time ago.
I congratulate imran khan on this noble deed and wish our sikh brothers a very hearty and warm welcome to Pakistan!
This is how civilised societies resolve disputes!
Most sikhs don't have any problem with 20$ fee, its just media and some politicians who want to look anti-pakistani to get votes are making cavil objections.
BTW its a Gurudwara not a temple.
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In the middle of one of the worst periods of India/Pakistan relations they (well largely Pakistan) have achieved something significant. Just goes to show that even if you disagree on numerous other things that doesn’t mean you can’t resolve the issues you do agree on.
Glad to see Sikh's so happy however they must never be allowed to venture outside their allocated area make no mistake about that. Do your thing then leave by evening time or the next morning at the latest remembering this is Muslim land. Pak and the ISI must keep and eye on many spies being sent by Indian agencies. I am not one of those who is gonna over respect their Sikh's by telling them how wonderful they are like many of our people are doing. The lady in post 295 is correct that Pak is much cleaner then dirty India, most independent analysts do notice this as one obvious difference. It was nice to see their Sunny Deol sitting their silently like a bheegi billi! Would have liked to see him abuse Pakistan in reality then see what we would have done to him! We got him to wait in line like others before entering Pakistan, no special treatment for him at all. This is how we should treat that lot including their Muslims who enter our great country. Get in line all of you lot!
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I highly doubt spies would use this corridor to infiltrate Pakistan.
There are a thousand ways/places to get in and out of Pakistan,
According to this report by The UN refugee agency Pakistan welcomed 1.51 million refugees. A rough estimate https://www.unhcr.org/56655f4e0.pdf
From what I've seen in videos, most people who are visiting are elderly religious people. Let's not make them suspicious by spreading 'spy' rumours.
Oh come on man! The enemy will do anything to harm us including sending poor elderly people like Surjeet Singh if you remember him who was sent by RAW. Accepting Afghan refugee's is a very different thing altogether then Indian terrorists. Do what they have to do then get out the same evening and as I said before we must charge them for it as well. Here is an old Sikh man admitting to being a spy resulting in losing 30 years of his life. Enough of this Muslim-Sikh bhai bhai rubbish.