[VIDEOS/PICTURES] The Fawad Alam stance

[dashing_man]

What is this?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I would be more interested in comparing his stance to Chanderpaul and see why Chanderpaul is so successful with that stance.

It would be nice for educational purposes if someone can teach me about the difference in Chanders and Fawad's stance.

 

[Junaids]

It's fine for Tests: not very different to Shiv Chanderpaul or even Peter Willey.

It just doesn't lend itself to rapid scoring 360 degrees around the ground, so smart opposition can stifle it on ODI or T20 cricket.

 

[Pete Rose]

It's fine for Tests: not very different to Shiv Chanderpaul or even Peter Willey.

It just doesn't lend itself to rapid scoring 360 degrees around the ground, so smart opposition can stifle it on ODI or T20 cricket.

I am not sure about the tests as well.
Times have changed in terms of the sheer volume of analysis available and when Chanders started that was still a while back.

 

[Junaids]

I am not sure about the tests as well.
Times have changed in terms of the sheer volume of analysis available and when Chanders started that was still a while back.

I'm very confident about the stance against quick bowlers in Tests: Shiv has always been excellent but Peter Willey was also used by England as a specialist against the West Indies precisely because his technique worked against the world's best quick bowlers.

 

[Lords]

I am more curious about his lack of strength to hit ball close to the boundary. Is it really muscle strength or his bad timing ? It appears like he has hit the ball with all the strength left in him and yet the ball doesnt cross 30 yards.

I remember Vankatpati raju who was almost as thin as fawad could hit 6 once in a while.

 

[godzilla]

12,000 domestic runs and a higher fc average than anyone from Pakistan in the history of the game including our legends, say that however awkward the stance, it is extremely effective. There isn't anyone else in Pakistan more deserving of an extended run in the side.

 

[lalaafridi]

The problem is his batting at no. 6. He can hit the boundaries as well as sixes, but only after he sets himself, taking 40-50 balls. He can cover up for strike rate also later. The only problem seems- A) Dumb think-tank. B) Selfish kaptaan, who himself is not confident; and does moves like this or sending sarfaraz to open to save himself or his favourites (shafiq) from humiliation.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not a bad stance. Takes out the LBW, and if the bowler bowls at the exposed stumps, it is right into his zone. Also the crouched position lowers the center of gravity and makes it easy to move back and forward easily.

 

[Pete Rose]

The problem is his batting at no. 6. He can hit the boundaries as well as sixes, but only after he sets himself, taking 40-50 balls. He can cover up for strike rate also later. The only problem seems- A) Dumb think-tank. B) Selfish kaptaan, who himself is not confident; and does moves like this or sending sarfaraz to open to save himself or his favourites (shafiq) from humiliation.

He has batted 10 overs in this series without rotating the strike or hitting any boundaries but yes it could be everybody else's fault

 

[Pete Rose]

Not a bad stance. Takes out the LBW, and if the bowler bowls at the exposed stumps, it is right into his zone. Also the crouched position lowers the center of gravity and makes it easy to move back and forward easily.

Wonder why it's not popular: llyod, gower, and Anwar missed a trick

 

[CricketCartoons]

Wonder why it's not popular: llyod, gower, and Anwar missed a trick

Not everyone can pull it off. The batsman should stick to what works for them. I have seen good batsman expose their stumps when they want the bowlers to bowl where they want.

 

[dashing_man]

I would be more interested in comparing his stance to Chanderpaul and see why Chanderpaul is so successful with that stance.

It would be nice for educational purposes if someone can teach me about the difference in Chanders and Fawad's stance.

Chanderpaul is old news now, it worked for him in the 90s and early 2000

this stance isn't helping Fawad at all. we all saw how he got the bat to the ball but couldn't place it in the gap....too much feet movement makes impossible for him to give himself room.
He needs to change this quickly otherwise he won't be successful for long term

 

[dashing_man]

Not everyone can pull it off. The batsman should stick to what works for them. I have seen good batsman expose their stumps when they want the bowlers to bowl where they want.

I think only Katich had a good feet movement after chanderpaul but stance like these are easy to deceive.
both Chanderpaul and Katich struggled midway in their career. In the end both of them had to stick to Test cricket which was sad and sadly Fawad is also going to the same direction unless he changes his technique.

I liked his old stance cuz it allowed him to move more freely

 

[CricketCartoons]

I think only Katich had a good feet movement after chanderpaul but stance like these are easy to deceive.
both Chanderpaul and Katich struggled midway in their career. In the end both of them had to stick to Test cricket which was sad and sadly Fawad is also going to the same direction unless he changes his technique.

I liked his old stance cuz it allowed him to move more freely

It is obvious that you don't know much about cricket being a WWE fan.

He should stick to what has worked for him and brought him success. He needs to get a bit closer to the stumps in test matches, but this stance is fine for ODIs. Take it from me, he is going to be the main stay of Pakistani batting in years to come.

 

[Mamoon]

The biggest difference between him and Chanderpaul is the position of the back leg. The back leg is fundamental for staying balanced at the crease. Before the point of release, do whatever you want with your front leg but your back leg should be very steady and Chanderpaul does that very well.

Fawad's back leg is still moving when the bowler releases the ball due to which he is in no position to play any shot, fails to time the ball and is generally on the ground after every shot he plays.

 

[dashing_man]

It is obvious that you don't know much about cricket being a WWE fan.

He should stick to what has worked for him and brought him success. He needs to get a bit closer to the stumps in test matches, but this stance is fine for ODIs. Take it from me, he is going to be the main stay of Pakistani batting in years to come.

and the could shoulder....

nevermind, you're wrong still.

Fawad got success on Asian pitches and his first series away, he starts struggling

I'm not saying that he should completely change but tweek a bit

 

[CricketCartoons]

and the could shoulder....

nevermind, you're wrong still.

Fawad got success on Asian pitches and his first series away, he starts struggling

I'm not saying that he should completely change but tweek a bit

Was just doing some mischief with the cold shoulder, not intended

 

[style_guru]

He has so many things messed up as of now. His hair and his stance top the list.

 

[MRSN]

Looks like he is impressed from some Baseball player..



or Kung Fu.

 

[Shandarchowka]

I am more curious about his lack of strength to hit ball close to the boundary. Is it really muscle strength or his bad timing ? It appears like he has hit the ball with all the strength left in him and yet the ball doesnt cross 30 yards.

I remember Vankatpati raju who was almost as thin as fawad could hit 6 once in a while.

I think this could be one of the reasons why Fawad's always overlooked. Even though he has first class stats, lack of power in shots hampers him?

 

[Plumb]

I care less how he stands, he plays with a bat or a stick as long as he scores runs who cares.

But But But the best technique and pleasing to eye players have done wonders right

 

[Pete Rose]

no we'll have to put up with these annoying threads. I actually wish we had taken him to south africa so that we can retire all these fawad support threads.
Come at me, with numbers of the incumbents have done.

 

[ayemgilani86]

no we'll have to put up with these annoying threads. I actually wish we had taken him to south africa so that we can retire all these fawad support threads.
Come at me, with numbers of the incumbents have done.

he deserves a consistent run, if he doesnt do well that means he isnt great and we move on but he deserves his chance, atleast in UAE he would have been better than Asad Shafique and Azhar Ali. THey have turned out to be poor investments just as I had always suspected

 

[big_gamer007]

I never understood Pakistani fans here on PP whenever I asked about Sadaf people here said pitches in Pakistan are so bad any Tom, dick or Harry can pick up wickets at will that's why his average is so less but he is a rubbish bowler not international standard blah blah..

But if that's the case then surely a player with over 55+ batting average must be exceptionally talented to handle the bowler friendly pitches where rubbish bowlers have less than 20 bowling average?

So why isn't he given a chance?

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Pretty ducks by Asad or ugly 100s by Fawad. Take your pick.

It seems as though people focus too much on these types of things versus production.

The name of the game is putting runs on the board, but for some reason that is secondary and tertiary to English speaking ability and how nice one looks when making shots.

One would think at least in tests, where time is your friend, that he would be given a decent chance.

Odd that a failure or two from Fawad and it becomes "I told you so", whereas a hundred innings from Asad and he would still have more backing despite his numerous failures.

C'est la vie.

 

[Suleiman]

Yes the mythical Fawad would’ve destroyed has been Steyn and the young challenger Rabada. Could at the very least go as 12th man to the World Cup.

 

[Chokli]

One would think at least in tests, where time is your friend, that he would be given a decent chance.

.
C'est la vie.

this generation of fans have no patience, even in tests they worry about strike rate

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I am still a firm believer that 45+ in FC after so many seasons is a big statement. It's not easy batting so many sessions.

People only see technique or the flashy strokes, but forget that Test cricket requires great focus and a good batting temperament. Fawad Alam ticks all these boxes and that's why he doesn't give away his wicket after being 30 or even 80 not out.

Imam or Babar lose their focus after a hour the reason they average in the 30's in FC in general. They never had the chance to develop these main batting ingredients. I am glad that Babar after almost 25 tests is getting better. It should have been 30/40 FC games instead.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

this generation of fans have no patience, even in tests they worry about strike rate

The irony in that is that our current players, and the most senior of them in Ali, have some of the lowest SR's in the history of the sport.

There's this odd juxtaposition between SR's when discussing Fawad, however it is moot when discussing others.

By no means do I think Fawad will come in and be a world class test batsmen, but when you have 2-3 players consistently getting less than ten runs, what would you have to lose exactly? This ideology that they will eventually come good due to a premier technique (which is definitely not true of Ali) is wishful thinking.

Mental fortitude is just as important as technique and if you can't be mentally strong, doesn't matter how good you look in the nets.

 

[gazza619]

I feel a 100 ball 50 requires more focus, attention and hard work than a flashy 50 ball 50.

Alam deserves a chance in tests.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I feel a 100 ball 50 requires more focus, attention and hard work than a flashy 50 ball 50.

Alam deserves a chance in tests.

The reason Fawad, Misbah and Usman average 50+ while Asad, Imam will never achieve this. I really hope Babar does improve after a false start.

 

[Chokli]

The irony in that is that our current players, and the most senior of them in Ali, have some of the lowest SR's in the history of the sport.

There's this odd juxtaposition between SR's when discussing Fawad, however it is moot when discussing others.

By no means do I think Fawad will come in and be a world class test batsmen, but when you have 2-3 players consistently getting less than ten runs, what would you have to lose exactly? This ideology that they will eventually come good due to a premier technique (which is definitely not true of Ali) is wishful thinking.

Mental fortitude is just as important as technique and if you can't be mentally strong, doesn't matter how good you look in the nets.

i agree wholeheartedly... i mean if he's maintaining an average of 56/57 over so many years... then surely he must be doing something right? his stance shouldn't be of discussion

 

[Kroll]

He'd be 34 by the time the next Test series begins. I was not against his selection, but I don't see the point in selecting him now.

 

[The Viper]

I don't think you should care about his boundary hitting ability or technique. He has a proven first class track record and can bat long. He surely would have been useful in the UAE.

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

Well well its too late for him. We have wasted him.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

He'd be 34 by the time the next Test series begins. I was not against his selection, but I don't see the point in selecting him now.

Sad but true. The time is to invest in youth and move forward.

Asad and Azhar have really made it difficult to do that as they are the leaders, along with our blameless captain.

Personally I would kick all the seniors out and start fresh. The seniors are setting a bad example. Can't be doing any worse. We are ranked 7th and hope is bleak.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

He'd be 34 by the time the next Test series begins. I was not against his selection, but I don't see the point in selecting him now.

The biggest travesty since 2010 in Pak cricket.

 

[Hasan123]

I think he would be exposed at intentional cricket with his current stance . But a few years ago he should have been selected.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

The mythical hero returns.

In all seriousness look at a few of his ODI innings vs Australia to understand how teams can neutralize him into "nothingness".

 

[Chokli]

The mythical hero returns.

In all seriousness look at a few of his ODI innings vs Australia to understand how teams can neutralize him into "nothingness".

no ones saying to select him in odis.

odis and tests are a different ball game altogether

 

[Dr_Bassim]

no ones saying to select him in odis.

odis and tests are a different ball game altogether

Its too late to select an unorthdox 34 year old and hope he "establishes" himself in the team.

But I know that because of lack of adequate chances he will remain forever as "The Boy who Lived".

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Its too late to select an unorthdox 34 year old and hope he "establishes" himself in the team.

But I know that because of lack of adequate chances he will remain forever as "The Boy who Lived".

No one is saying he should be selected anymore, his time is over.

The fact is that no one can definitively say Fawad would be a failure. He easily could have, would not be a surprise to anyone, but they can easily so we will never know. A couple of ODI's against Australia and we can thump our chests to say "I told you so", but a plethora of chances for others who keep failing and they due to their prettier stances were given a lot more flack?

There is too much hyperbole one way or the other.

No one is claiming Fawad was the prodigal son who would come in and light the world on fire, far from it, but what he was, at least in the longer form of the game, is the most prolific run scorer in the history of the nation. Be it by hook or crook, that is a fact.

The system is come into question saying that he scored runs against our mediocre bowling at home, but then that same system is where Sadaf Husain was lighting it on fire because of poor batting. Bit of an oxymoron.

He scored a century in his first test on the road, and then four mediocre innings later, he is dropped. By that standard, Shafiq should have been dropped 6-7 years ago. Sure, Alam might just be terrible, but 6 innings, one century is not much to really claim it one way or the other.

The fact remains, and yes it is a fact, he could not have done worse than Shafiq. In 116 innings, 69 test matches, Shafiq has a sub 40 average, and he is a full time batsmen. This is probably the biggest disappointment and longest run given to the most mediocre performance in the history of cricket, whether it be bat or ball. I challenge anyone to find a worse performer with as many chances.

Point to a few centuries in foreign conditions (his 3 total in SA, England and Australia) and say, Fawad could not do that, look at how he bats, let us focus on a few ODIs, for some odd reason despite them being completely different games.

We have spent a lot of wasted years on players who haven't performed, while leaving out the player who knows how to put runs on the board. Easily he could be a failure, but given how many matches have been given to players who have failed for years, we could have given Fawad a run of 5-10 matches instead of 3, especially given the fact that on debut he scored a century.

Maybe he would have been in the long line of players who have failed, but what would we have to lose exactly? We are ranked 7 in tests, other than Misbah and YK, not one player has stood out in all these years in tests, the last very good player being MoYo.

With regard to a player like Ali, he clearly has shown that once the bright lights are squarely on him, he is no built to handle pressure and will be a continuous failure. I am pretty shocked about his performance post YK and Misbah retiring, but at least he has had huge matches and has been key to Pakistan success.

This isn't just an issue with Shafiq, this is a systemic problem.

I am sure certain players look very good in the nets, with sublime technique, and look marvelous when the pressure is off. This is likely the case with Asad. He looks good everywhere, but holistically not where it matters most. He has had some great performances when for the most part the match was out of hand, but whenever you need Asad to make that same score in a situation to win, more often than not, if at all, he will fail.

We need to decide what matters in terms of selecting prospects. If the system is weak and has no value to determine players, then that is fine, but then do not point to it when it comes to your benefit (with regard so selection committee). Either we have terrible batsmen or we have terrible bowlers, but when the numbers support either side of the equation, then you say they are irrelevant, then you are simply being hypocritical where it suits the narrative you push (not you personally, I am more so pointing at selectors and/or experts).

Players who have pedigree at home with regard to numbers may very well fail internationally, but when players are already failing internationally who do not have them numbers, why not try something different.

It should be an amalgamation of everything with regard to selection. Numbers, technique, position, right hand/lefthand combos, excellence against spin/pace, excellence depending on pitch type. We are failing pretty much everywhere minus the childish format of the game, and stick to our guns pertaining to selection and approach.

Trying something new and failing, is better than trying the same thing and failing, at least with one you are afraid to look stupider than you already do, instead of looking stupid as you always do.

 

[Chokli]

No one is saying he should be selected anymore, his time is over.

The fact is that no one can definitively say Fawad would be a failure. He easily could have, would not be a surprise to anyone, but they can easily so we will never know. A couple of ODI's against Australia and we can thump our chests to say "I told you so", but a plethora of chances for others who keep failing and they due to their prettier stances were given a lot more flack?

There is too much hyperbole one way or the other.

No one is claiming Fawad was the prodigal son who would come in and light the world on fire, far from it, but what he was, at least in the longer form of the game, is the most prolific run scorer in the history of the nation. Be it by hook or crook, that is a fact.

The system is come into question saying that he scored runs against our mediocre bowling at home, but then that same system is where Sadaf Husain was lighting it on fire because of poor batting. Bit of an oxymoron.

He scored a century in his first test on the road, and then four mediocre innings later, he is dropped. By that standard, Shafiq should have been dropped 6-7 years ago. Sure, Alam might just be terrible, but 6 innings, one century is not much to really claim it one way or the other.

The fact remains, and yes it is a fact, he could not have done worse than Shafiq. In 116 innings, 69 test matches, Shafiq has a sub 40 average, and he is a full time batsmen. This is probably the biggest disappointment and longest run given to the most mediocre performance in the history of cricket, whether it be bat or ball. I challenge anyone to find a worse performer with as many chances.

Point to a few centuries in foreign conditions (his 3 total in SA, England and Australia) and say, Fawad could not do that, look at how he bats, let us focus on a few ODIs, for some odd reason despite them being completely different games.

We have spent a lot of wasted years on players who haven't performed, while leaving out the player who knows how to put runs on the board. Easily he could be a failure, but given how many matches have been given to players who have failed for years, we could have given Fawad a run of 5-10 matches instead of 3, especially given the fact that on debut he scored a century.

Maybe he would have been in the long line of players who have failed, but what would we have to lose exactly? We are ranked 7 in tests, other than Misbah and YK, not one player has stood out in all these years in tests, the last very good player being MoYo.

With regard to a player like Ali, he clearly has shown that once the bright lights are squarely on him, he is no built to handle pressure and will be a continuous failure. I am pretty shocked about his performance post YK and Misbah retiring, but at least he has had huge matches and has been key to Pakistan success.

This isn't just an issue with Shafiq, this is a systemic problem.

I am sure certain players look very good in the nets, with sublime technique, and look marvelous when the pressure is off. This is likely the case with Asad. He looks good everywhere, but holistically not where it matters most. He has had some great performances when for the most part the match was out of hand, but whenever you need Asad to make that same score in a situation to win, more often than not, if at all, he will fail.

We need to decide what matters in terms of selecting prospects. If the system is weak and has no value to determine players, then that is fine, but then do not point to it when it comes to your benefit (with regard so selection committee). Either we have terrible batsmen or we have terrible bowlers, but when the numbers support either side of the equation, then you say they are irrelevant, then you are simply being hypocritical where it suits the narrative you push (not you personally, I am more so pointing at selectors and/or experts).

Players who have pedigree at home with regard to numbers may very well fail internationally, but when players are already failing internationally who do not have them numbers, why not try something different.

It should be an amalgamation of everything with regard to selection. Numbers, technique, position, right hand/lefthand combos, excellence against spin/pace, excellence depending on pitch type. We are failing pretty much everywhere minus the childish format of the game, and stick to our guns pertaining to selection and approach.

Trying something new and failing, is better than trying the same thing and failing, at least with one you are afraid to look stupider than you already do, instead of looking stupid as you always do.

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

POTW.

Brilliant post, you should write articles etc.

 

[Chokli]

Its too late to select an unorthdox 34 year old and hope he "establishes" himself in the team.

But I know that because of lack of adequate chances he will remain forever as "The Boy who Lived".

it's never too late, you people look too much into age.

haven't planned for the future since 2003 yet talk about it more often than not

long term planning doesn't work with pakistan

 

[sshakir411]

I’d take a punt on Fawad. Still remember the sixes he hit against SL in t20 and the innings against Bangladesh. Not pretty but got it done. It’s a should’ve would’ve could’ve situation. Fawad isn’t going to come in and change our teams fortunes. We need players who can play the modern game in both tests and lois..based on that Fawad’s chances are slim to none.

 

[zulfiqar]

Let's face it.. he was kept out on disciplinary grounds. That was the official reason given at one point wasn't it? Everything else is an excuse because he certainly performed a few times in test matches that he should have been considered. Whether the "disciplinary grounds" refer to favoritism for other players or just one of those things where everyone in the team hates-that-one-guy type of deal, only the insiders would know.

 

[iPakistani]

Same people would have seen Steve Smith's technique a few years ago and said he would be a nothing player and not succeed at international. There's a reason why this man has a FC average of 56, test him out in international.

 

[Suleiman]

I’d take a punt on Fawad. Still remember the sixes he hit against SL in t20 and the innings against Bangladesh. Not pretty but got it done. It’s a should’ve would’ve could’ve situation. Fawad isn’t going to come in and change our teams fortunes. We need players who can play the modern game in both tests and lois..based on that Fawad’s chances are slim to none.

Those sixes sucked the life out of him the way he was collapsing to the ground with even his helmet coming down every time he hit one.

He should've gotten his chance when he was younger, but he's old now and not worth the risk. This kasai type technique will work in the baqra mandi and domestic cricket but not internationals, Australia already showed us that.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Those sixes sucked the life out of him the way he was collapsing to the ground with even his helmet coming down every time he hit one.

He should've gotten his chance when he was younger, but he's old now and not worth the risk. This kasai type technique will work in the baqra mandi and domestic cricket but not internationals, Australia already showed us that.

Is that right? He has a 60 in Australia with a 90SR.

Has a 50 in England albeit with a mediocre 75 SR.

Has a 59* against SA.

People keep talking about one three match series as the be all end all and ignore that he actual had some success and that too in opponent waters. Or is that just irrelevant because it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[hadi123]

No one is saying he should be selected anymore, his time is over.

The fact is that no one can definitively say Fawad would be a failure. He easily could have, would not be a surprise to anyone, but they can easily so we will never know. A couple of ODI's against Australia and we can thump our chests to say "I told you so", but a plethora of chances for others who keep failing and they due to their prettier stances were given a lot more flack?

There is too much hyperbole one way or the other.

No one is claiming Fawad was the prodigal son who would come in and light the world on fire, far from it, but what he was, at least in the longer form of the game, is the most prolific run scorer in the history of the nation. Be it by hook or crook, that is a fact.

The system is come into question saying that he scored runs against our mediocre bowling at home, but then that same system is where Sadaf Husain was lighting it on fire because of poor batting. Bit of an oxymoron.

He scored a century in his first test on the road, and then four mediocre innings later, he is dropped. By that standard, Shafiq should have been dropped 6-7 years ago. Sure, Alam might just be terrible, but 6 innings, one century is not much to really claim it one way or the other.

The fact remains, and yes it is a fact, he could not have done worse than Shafiq. In 116 innings, 69 test matches, Shafiq has a sub 40 average, and he is a full time batsmen. This is probably the biggest disappointment and longest run given to the most mediocre performance in the history of cricket, whether it be bat or ball. I challenge anyone to find a worse performer with as many chances.

Point to a few centuries in foreign conditions (his 3 total in SA, England and Australia) and say, Fawad could not do that, look at how he bats, let us focus on a few ODIs, for some odd reason despite them being completely different games.

We have spent a lot of wasted years on players who haven't performed, while leaving out the player who knows how to put runs on the board. Easily he could be a failure, but given how many matches have been given to players who have failed for years, we could have given Fawad a run of 5-10 matches instead of 3, especially given the fact that on debut he scored a century.

Maybe he would have been in the long line of players who have failed, but what would we have to lose exactly? We are ranked 7 in tests, other than Misbah and YK, not one player has stood out in all these years in tests, the last very good player being MoYo.

With regard to a player like Ali, he clearly has shown that once the bright lights are squarely on him, he is no built to handle pressure and will be a continuous failure. I am pretty shocked about his performance post YK and Misbah retiring, but at least he has had huge matches and has been key to Pakistan success.

This isn't just an issue with Shafiq, this is a systemic problem.

I am sure certain players look very good in the nets, with sublime technique, and look marvelous when the pressure is off. This is likely the case with Asad. He looks good everywhere, but holistically not where it matters most. He has had some great performances when for the most part the match was out of hand, but whenever you need Asad to make that same score in a situation to win, more often than not, if at all, he will fail.

We need to decide what matters in terms of selecting prospects. If the system is weak and has no value to determine players, then that is fine, but then do not point to it when it comes to your benefit (with regard so selection committee). Either we have terrible batsmen or we have terrible bowlers, but when the numbers support either side of the equation, then you say they are irrelevant, then you are simply being hypocritical where it suits the narrative you push (not you personally, I am more so pointing at selectors and/or experts).

Players who have pedigree at home with regard to numbers may very well fail internationally, but when players are already failing internationally who do not have them numbers, why not try something different.

It should be an amalgamation of everything with regard to selection. Numbers, technique, position, right hand/lefthand combos, excellence against spin/pace, excellence depending on pitch type. We are failing pretty much everywhere minus the childish format of the game, and stick to our guns pertaining to selection and approach.

Trying something new and failing, is better than trying the same thing and failing, at least with one you are afraid to look stupider than you already do, instead of looking stupid as you always do.

Great post, should be considered for POTW [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Fawad Alam Position

The problem is his batting at no. 6. He can hit the boundaries as well as sixes, but only after he sets himself, taking 40-50 balls. He can cover up for strike rate also later. The only problem seems- A) Dumb think-tank. B) Selfish kaptaan, who himself is not confident; and does moves like this or sending sarfaraz to open to save himself or his favourites (shafiq) from humiliation.

In my humble opinion i believe Fawad is good for both ODIs and tests (more so tests). I think that Pakistan have been selfish in giving him a position lower in the order, he's not a pinch hitter but a partnership builder instead. I'd say his ideal number is 3 or 4 and i guarantee he'll build runs. It saddens me on how much injustice this man has suffered, i remember almost being in tears and my legs shaking when he wasn't picked for that England tour in which Imam got the nod ahead of him.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

This was part of the problem not picking Fawad based on age was part of the argument and yet you have Malik and Hafeez on the team who are just looking to play out their careers till the World Cup i.e. clearly no long term commitments. It's the hypocrisy that i can't stand with the team management, he can't do worse than others might as well give him a go.

 

[JibranAnsari]

If average of 24 and Sr of 68 can get 60 odis matches then why average of 40 and sr of 75 got only 38 matches?

You gotta ask questions about the selection policy , how they actually work?

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

If average of 24 and Sr of 68 can get 60 odis matches then why average of 40 and sr of 75 got only 38 matches?

You gotta ask questions about the selection policy , how they actually work?

My point exactly. Detractors will say he would only succeed on home conditions, yet he has actually done okay, not amazing, but enough to give a chance to, against better competition, whereas other players have only failed after a plethora of chances, and yet they are to be given numerous chances or are better players simply due to stance?

Run accumulating ability is a skill.

 

[LordJames]

International Stats:

1. Tests: 3 Matches, 41.66 Ave, 56.68 SR
2. ODI: 38 Matches, 40.25 Ave, 74.47 SR
3. T20: 24 Matches, 17.63 Ave, 114.79 SR

Domestic Stats:

1. First-Class: 155 Matches, 41.66 Ave,
2. List-A : 198 Matches, 48.82 Ave,
3. T20: 120 Matches, 30.93 Ave, 119.28 SR

What has Fawad done wrong in International or Domestic???

 

[PakFan2010]

How bad is domestic cricket in Pakistan?

An awful technique and out of his depth.

 

[adzzy786]

Not fair, I’m not a fan of his however he’s come to bat on a very hard pitch after 10 years practically making his debut again with the added pressure with high expectations. Have to give him a few chances.

 

[coy0607]

Fawad's been a consistently top performer for 10+ years in domestic, but his batting is clearly on a trajectory. How can it not be at age 34, add to that the immense pressure on him to deliver and the very tough conditions - there is virtually no chance of him doing anything of substance in England

Another flawed decision by Misbah

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

LOL absolutely loved the way he got out.Pathetic ugly hack.

 

[Mamoon]

It is impossible for him to do well against lateral movement with his technique. This is not about age. We saw this 10 years ago in New Zealand.

However, he would have definitely outperformed both Azhar and Shafiq on Asian pitches.

 

[Canistani Hero]

Shan-Abid-Imam-Babar-Haris should be our top 5 until Saud Shakeel can take Haris' place

 

[MenInG]

His stance is just a distraction - he gets himself in line etc

 

[Saj]

Had the same stance for many years now.

Has worked for him....

 

[sweep_shot]

One of the weirdest stances I have seen in my life. This is weirder than Chanderpaul's.

 

[Snowflake]

Had the same stance for many years now.

Has worked for him....

I think that is not entirely true. His stance has gotten "worse" over time and that is why I do not think it comes naturally to him. He's been tweaking it constantly which is mind-boggling for an international player.

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[in_cutter]

Nasty stance/style

 

[Badsha]

His stance today was exaggerated. It's a little side on usually.

 

[PakHammer]

Looks awful and he is a not stroke maker. His time is up. Only in Pakistan can you play test matches after a 11 year gap

 

[shaz619]

I think that is not entirely true. His stance has gotten "worse" over time and that is why I do not think it comes naturally to him. He's been tweaking it constantly which is mind-boggling for an international player.

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Interesting, he isn't so crouched anymore and his trigger movement is too late as a result, but wonder if it was just nerves or something because he must be under an enormous amount of pressure

 

[Grunge101]

Interesting, he isn't so crouched anymore and his trigger movement is too late as a result, but wonder if it was just nerves or something because he must be under an enormous amount of pressure

Yah same thoughts. The recoil from the crouch would give him momentum for his trigger movement, allowing him to get in line quicker. Dunno, if hes been batting without the crouch in the last domestic season as well or is it something hes changed for this tour.

 

[Amoeba]

A high backlift tends not to work in England. All that shuffling across just makes him a predictable LBW candidate.

Let's see what he does in the second dig.....but so far not impressed.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I sometimes wonder why no one tried to correct his stance during his school cricket days?

 

[Mr Crickekter]

He seems to be like performing on " Nach Baliye" Dance show..
Not an international standard... Sorry fawad

 

[shamaan]

I sometimes wonder why no one tried to correct his stance during his school cricket days?

Did anyone correct chanderpaul stance ?

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

This fawad the tailender should have been banned from playing cricket.What will young kids learn watching this guy dance on the cricket pitch.He has made cricket impossible to watch.

 

[MenInG]

This fawad the tailender should have been banned from playing cricket.What will young kids learn watching this guy dance on the cricket pitch. He has made cricket impossible to watch.

He has played after 10 years. His FC stats are fine. Get a grip and improve your posting style. You are repeating the same 2 lines over and over again.

Try and offer a better perspective.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

He has played after 10 years. His FC stats are fine. Get a grip and improve your posting style. You are repeating the same 2 lines over and over again.

Try and offer a better perspective.

It's impossible to watch him.My posting style ain't improving its gonna stay like this I speak from heart and if i don't like his batting style I will say that again and again.he is awful.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Funny. already old. unusual stance. Bowlers can see all the 3 stumps. too much movement before coming in line. quite a few things are stacked against his test career.

 

[MenInG]

It's impossible to watch him.My posting style ain't improving its gonna stay like this I speak from heart and if i don't like his batting style I will say that again and again.he is awful.

How many times have you watched him so far?

Try and understand. This is a batting style that has worked for him and is natural to him. He is in the Pakistan side for a reason which is his FC record (and an international century in the past).

Do better analysis and come back with arguments that we can discuss.